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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 30, 2013, 04:00:51 PM

Title: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2013, 04:00:51 PM
This is using Australia's example with C02 taxes. I believe man is contributing to global warming, but the solutions the world community have chosen to combat it are not working. They are only making life more expensive for their citizens. There are more efficient ways of dealing with climate change rather than the tired old cap and trade, carbon taxes and meaningless C02 targets.



http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Why-the-carbon-tax-doesnt-work--pd20120821-XD2BS?OpenDocument&emcontent_Gottliebsen

There is a small problem with all the efforts the world has undertaken to reduce carbon emissions – they are not working to reduce emissions to any where near the amount the carbon community believes is necessary to avoid global warming.

 

A group of Nobel Laureates and other top experts who combined to form the Copenhagen Consensus believe that the world's emphasis on emissions reductions via carbon pricing and similar mechanisms, is simply not going to work. They propose a cheaper but more radical global solution.



The Copenhagen Consensus was formed in Denmark to bring together top global knowledge to determine the best way to allocate funds to solve particular problems. They have applied their methods to a number of global problems. For example, they concluded that the most economic way to reduce global poverty was to make sure that pre-school children have sufficient nutrition. Without pre-school nutrition, adult capabilities are greatly reduced and they are much less productive members of the community.



When it comes to carbon, they concluded that because electricity had become essential to the current living standards of a vast number of people on the globe, simply pricing electricity at higher levels would not make an enormous difference to usage.



Australia has one of the world's largest carbon taxes, which is being combined with big rises in power costs. Accordingly, we are a global leader in trying to reduce emissions via electricity pricing. The Copenhagen Consensus believes our strategy is not economic and while electricity consumption may reduce, the cost of that reduction will be out of proportion to the emissions cuts.



The head of the Copenhagen Consensus, Bjorn Lomborg, came to the ADC Hayman Leadership Retreat and explained that the Copenhagen Consensus believes there is a better way to cut emissions – spend more money researching renewable power generation with the aim of reducing renewable electricity generation costs to levels that are lower than carbon.



Currently both wind and solar do not have economic storage systems, so in the case of wind there has to be expensive back up carbon sourced power generation. Bjorn Lomborg sets out his views in the attached video.



From my point of view, he is one if the first people I have heard who makes sense on carbon. Certainly putting up electricity prices in Australia by 30 or 40 per cent (only about one third is the carbon tax) is not going to vastly lower emissions.



What it does do is lower the standard of living of many Australians and is now causing them to challenge whether the carbon/climate links have validity.



There are a number of renewable research projects here and around the world which are getting closer to substantially lowering the cost of renewable energy.



If the Copenhagen Consensus is right then that's where the world needs to focus if it is to be serious about carbon and climate.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2013, 09:05:47 AM
In Alberta we have one time environmental fees on consumer electronics..



How does that improve the environment?



Don't they still end up in a landfill at the end of their lives?
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Romero on January 31, 2013, 01:19:16 PM
Quote72 million tires recycled since the program began in 1992.



Albertans have recycled almost five million units of computer equipment and televisions since the electronics recycling program began (keeping hazardous materials such as lead, mercury or cadmium found in circuit boards or cathode ray tubes out of the landfills). This includes more than 1.48 million computers, 890,000 printers, 1.39 million monitors and 1.02 million TVs that have been diverted from landfills.



These millions of units have been dismantled into 87,640 metric tonnes of metal, plastic and glass that has been shipped into the marketplace for manufacturing into new products.



Since the paint recycling program's inception in April 2008, 9 million litres of waste paint (or 11,000,000 kgs.) has been recycled.



Over 1,130,000 aerosol containers have been recycled.



//http://www.albertarecycling.ca/about-recycling/quick-fact-sheets

And that's just Alberta.



It definitely improves the environment, and it provides material for new product. We can't just throw away tires, electronics and paint like it's regular garbage. It's such a huge waste.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Romero on January 31, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
Think about bottle recycling. Can you imagine what it'd be like if bottles were never recycled and what a huge waste of resources it would be? Nobody thinks bottle recycling is stupid. It's plain common sense.



Recycling electronics makes even more sense. It would be crazy to just throw away those reusable materials.



Landfills cost millions of dollars to build and operate. Recycling saves taxpayer dollars.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Romero on January 31, 2013, 03:34:13 PM
Electronics recycling programs have been a huge success all over the world and they save taxpayer money. Paying extra fees sucks, but if someone buys a product why should everyone else have to pay for its recycling? That money's going to come from somewhere. Shouldn't the consumer pay for it instead of the government?



Yeah, too much electronics end up in dumpsters and landfills but it would be much worse and much more expensive if not for recycling.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2013, 08:26:08 PM
So, the fees are intended to pay the cost of recycling, but some products still end up in landfills?
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Romero on January 31, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
Sure, like with paper and bottles there is still going to be a lot just thrown away. But thanks to recycling there is so much less waste and it's improving every year.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2013, 11:33:12 PM
I know that market based approach is not always the best. This is particularly true when there is a monopoly or the company chosen by the government are also their financial backers. However, we know that our representatives collecting a new tax and telling us it's for our benefit is usually a stretch too.



I know companies where I live that are making a solid profit from recycling. They would still make a profit if shoppers were not charged a disposal fee. I also think there should be incentivization to encourage recycling of e-waste. I would extend it to other things as well like bedframes for example.



The system we have will remain. I don't see a citizen revolt over a fee most of us don't pay that often. It's not one of the more hated taxes, but a more market-oriented alternative would be less costly and produce better compliance.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2013, 09:00:46 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"I know that market based approach is not always the best. This is particularly true when there is a monopoly or the company chosen by the government are also their financial backers. However, we know that our representatives collecting a new tax and telling us it's for our benefit is usually a stretch too.



I know companies where I live that are making a solid profit from recycling. They would still make a profit if shoppers were not charged a disposal fee. I also think there should be incentivization to encourage recycling of e-waste. I would extend it to other things as well like bedframes as an example.



The system we have will remain. I don't see a citizen revolt over a fee most of us don't pay that often. It's not one of the more hated taxes, but a more market-oriented alternative would be less costly and produce better compliance.

I wasn't really protesting about those fees, I was curious about what they did with our used computers and tv's...



The fees are not that high yet, so I am not complaining...



We are buying a new LED tv this year, so our attitude may change when we get to the till....it won't last long though.

 :)
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Romero on February 01, 2013, 07:41:24 PM
"Government" isn't always a bad word. If the Alta gov didn't set up the recycling program, it wouldn't exist. There would be tens of thousands of tonnes of extra crap overfilling landfills and taxpayers would only be paying more to deal with it.



The website states that the fees go directly to the program and not to government.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2013, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "seoulbro"I know that market based approach is not always the best. This is particularly true when there is a monopoly or the company chosen by the government are also their financial backers. However, we know that our representatives collecting a new tax and telling us it's for our benefit is usually a stretch too.



I know companies where I live that are making a solid profit from recycling. They would still make a profit if shoppers were not charged a disposal fee. I also think there should be incentivization to encourage recycling of e-waste. I would extend it to other things as well like bedframes as an example.



The system we have will remain. I don't see a citizen revolt over a fee most of us don't pay that often. It's not one of the more hated taxes, but a more market-oriented alternative would be less costly and produce better compliance.

I wasn't really protesting about those fees, I was curious about what they did with our used computers and tv's...



The fees are not that high yet, so I am not complaining...



We are buying a new LED tv this year, so our attitude may change when we get to the till....it won't last long though.

 :)

You should be bitching. How much of that money actually goes into recycling? How many snivel serpants are employed with these new taxes? Are you sure that none of that money isn't being streamed into paying for other government expenses? Do you think those fees will remain the same? Do you think the number of people employed to collect and adminsiter the program will remain constant?



Don't be so bloody trusting ffs!! Anytime a government tells you they need more of your money and that is for your own good you know you are about to be raped. Make noise, let the pricks know you don't trust them and it's another excuse to gouge you using the environment as an excuse.

Shen Li, it would seem you are making mountains out of molehills..



The fees are very reasonable and so is the cost of home and personal electronics today.



In 1990 my parents bought a large Sony tube television..



They had it until 2005...in less than 8 since they have gone through 3 flat screens..



People are buying more tv's along with desktops, laptops, I-pads, smart phones, digital cameras and so on..



Something has to be done about all that increased e-waste and there is only so much land available..



It's not 1990 anymore and recycling rules should reflect that..
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: DKG on June 27, 2023, 10:47:01 AM
Proportion and common sense are lacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39Gf_Qi4qo
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Lokmar on June 27, 2023, 02:32:24 PM
CO2 being a pollutant is so fucking absurd that anyone stupid enough to believe it is should kill themselves for the planet. We've eliminated serious pollution in the US and Canada...ELIMINATED IT!!!!! We allowed the enviro movement to become environMENTALism. SAVE THE EARTH! KILL CLIMATE ACTIVISTS!!!!
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 27, 2023, 06:44:51 PM
Get ready for this incoming carbon tax.  It's not gonna change the climate.  It will however, hurt a lot of people.



Wait for it.



The Canadian government wants people to switch over to electric vehicles, so many can't even afford it...even the ones with good paying jobs.  Imagine making decent money and the government takes 40% of ypur earnings.. abd with what's left, you still pay more tax on everything you purchase.  If you can get out of Canada now, I'd do so.  Leave this country and go elsewhere.



Also, if you're one of those morons who support and vote for Liberal...don't complain for what comes next.



I'm not a liberal/total moron supporter.  I will be voting conservative...Poilievre has my vote.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Herman on June 27, 2023, 06:51:40 PM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504610 time=1687905891 user_id=164
Get ready for this incoming carbon tax.  It's not gonna change the climate.  It will however, hurt a lot of people.



Wait for it.



The Canadian government wants people to switch over to electric vehicles, so many can't even afford it...even the ones with good paying jobs.  Imagine making decent money and the government takes 40% of ypur earnings.. abd with what's left, you still pay more tax on everything you purchase.  If you can get out of Canada now, I'd do so.  Leave this country and go elsewhere.



Also, if you're one of those morons who support and vote for Liberal...don't complain for what comes next.



I'm not a liberal/total moron supporter.  I will be voting conservative...Poilievre has my vote.

Justine hates a free and prosperous middle class.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 27, 2023, 09:38:09 PM
Trudeau is a fuckin moron and so are those who support him.  They deserve to be fucked voting for him.



I'm tired of listening to him speak l, esp in question period.  It's all umm umm.. ahh...yeah umm umm....he can't even speak a proper sentence.  I swear, it's almost as if someone is speaking to him in his ear peice telling him what to say.



The middle class will be gone.  This is all done purposely...its their plan.  You know how the banks here raised their rates? Freeland even says on video in an interview that this was done purposely.



I'm so glad I saved my money when I did and live a simple life.  I'm ready to watch people who brag about dumb shit and make bad financial decisions suffer  :laugh3:  sit back and watch the show!
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2023, 09:50:27 PM
You ain't nevered save anything berry sweet. You are broke ass.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 27, 2023, 11:37:15 PM
Quote from: "Canola Farmer" post_id=504629 time=1687917027
You ain't nevered save anything berry sweet. You are broke ass.


"Nevered"?  The hell kinda sentence Is this?



"Canola Farmer" :roll:  using Canola to lube up and whore yourself out to make a dollar.



Learn how to write a proper sentance before you hurt yourself from all your bad decisions that made you broke in the first place.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Herman on June 28, 2023, 02:21:23 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504633 time=1687923435 user_id=164
Quote from: "Canola Farmer" post_id=504629 time=1687917027
You ain't nevered save anything berry sweet. You are broke ass.


"Nevered"?  The hell kinda sentence Is this?



"Canola Farmer" :roll:  using Canola to lube up and whore yourself out to make a dollar.



Learn how to write a proper sentance before you hurt yourself from all your bad decisions that made you broke in the first place.

Eddie the Chug wants guest posting so he can follow mus around nipping at our ankles.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Herman on June 29, 2023, 07:03:00 PM
Justine's new Clean Fuels Standard Tax effective July 1 ignores that fires in Canada were in decline for ten years.

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Canada-s-Fires.html?soid=1101509381788&aid=HhQf2uVErkM
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 30, 2023, 07:16:52 AM
Water vapor accounts for between 66% and 85% of the greenhouse gas totals planet-wide. By contrast, carbon dioxide accounts for between 9% and 25%. Of that vastly inferior percentage, much of the CO2 is vented from volcanos, as well as released from heating oceans where it is held in suspension in the form of carbonates. Ice core samples confirm the amount of carbon in the atmosphere lags behind the ocean temperatures, making it a product of the oceans temperature, not the cause of it.



That said, yes mankind produces a lot of carbon. Mankind's contribution is however quite piddling when stacked up against the natural causes, something that scientific data reflects when you bother to dive deep into it. Climate alarmism is a big fucking grift... something the elites well enough yo not be adversely concerned about it as they buy up their beachfront properties.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: DKG on June 30, 2023, 08:23:52 AM
Quote from: "Adolf Oliver Bush" post_id=504812 time=1688123812 user_id=3409
Water vapor accounts for between 66% and 85% of the greenhouse gas totals planet-wide. By contrast, carbon dioxide accounts for between 9% and 25%. Of that vastly inferior percentage, much of the CO2 is vented from volcanos, as well as released from heating oceans where it is held in suspension in the form of carbonates. Ice core samples confirm the amount of carbon in the atmosphere lags behind the ocean temperatures, making it a product of the oceans temperature, not the cause of it.



That said, yes mankind produces a lot of carbon. Mankind's contribution is however quite piddling when stacked up against the natural causes, something that scientific data reflects when you bother to dive deep into it. Climate alarmism is a big fucking grift... something the elites well enough yo not be adversely concerned about it as they buy up their beachfront properties.

C02 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Lokmar on July 01, 2023, 07:44:24 PM
Most CO2 and pollution is released by Canduhduh. Kill em all!
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Berry Sweet on July 01, 2023, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=504649 time=1687933283 user_id=3396
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504633 time=1687923435 user_id=164




"Nevered"?  The hell kinda sentence Is this?



"Canola Farmer" :roll:  using Canola to lube up and whore yourself out to make a dollar.



Learn how to write a proper sentance before you hurt yourself from all your bad decisions that made you broke in the first place.

Eddie the Chug wants guest posting so he can follow mus around nipping at our ankles.


He's made it pretty obvious here.



Looking at eds and mel:



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Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Berry Sweet on July 01, 2023, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=504820 time=1688127832 user_id=3390
C02 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere.


Correct.  It's sad that 'experts' didn't know...they couldn't answer that question when asked.



The biggest contributors of CO2 are China, the US and India.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Shen Li on July 01, 2023, 09:50:19 PM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504995 time=1688262174 user_id=164
Quote from: DKG post_id=504820 time=1688127832 user_id=3390
C02 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere.


Correct.  It's sad that 'experts' didn't know...they couldn't answer that question when asked.



The biggest contributors of CO2 are China, the US and India.

Yet, True Dope thinks destroying Canda's middle class will stop climate change. Worse than that, some imbeciles in this country believe him. :crazy:
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Berry Sweet on July 01, 2023, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=504996 time=1688262619 user_id=3389
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504995 time=1688262174 user_id=164




Correct.  It's sad that 'experts' didn't know...they couldn't answer that question when asked.



The biggest contributors of CO2 are China, the US and India.

Yet, True Dope thinks destroying Canda's middle class will stop climate change. Worse than that, some imbeciles in this country believe him. :crazy:


All he ever talks about is climate change and Trans.  It's getting beyond old.



And yes, there are many imbeciles who believe him.  These are the ones who don't do their research to understand it on a full scale.  They just listen to the panicked garbage Trudeau has to say.  He makes it sound like if Canada doesn't pay this carbon tax the entire country is going to combust tomorrow.



We don't even have near what China and the US pump out...but it's made to sound like Canada is the worst in the world...how does this make any sense??





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Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Berry Sweet on July 01, 2023, 10:15:29 PM
Justin should be an example for Canada and indoctrinate his own children...he should push them to question their own gender...and them pump them full of hormones and sex operations.  He should proudly show the world his owns kids Trans experience.



He should alsobl question Sophie about her gender.  Question her...maybe she's really a man.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Shen Li on July 02, 2023, 01:21:21 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504997 time=1688263864 user_id=164
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=504996 time=1688262619 user_id=3389


Yet, True Dope thinks destroying Canda's middle class will stop climate change. Worse than that, some imbeciles in this country believe him. :crazy:


All he ever talks about is climate change and Trans.  It's getting beyond old.



And yes, there are many imbeciles who believe him.  These are the ones who don't do their research to understand it on a full scale.  They just listen to the panicked garbage Trudeau has to say.  He makes it sound like if Canada doesn't pay this carbon tax the entire country is going to combust tomorrow.



We don't even have near what China and the US pump out...but it's made to sound like Canada is the worst in the world...how does this make any sense??





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Canada is down to 1.5% of global emissions and it still hasn't stopped the climate from doing what it always has and that is change. True Dope is ignoring the science.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 02, 2023, 03:54:44 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=505003 time=1688275281 user_id=3389
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504997 time=1688263864 user_id=164




All he ever talks about is climate change and Trans.  It's getting beyond old.



And yes, there are many imbeciles who believe him.  These are the ones who don't do their research to understand it on a full scale.  They just listen to the panicked garbage Trudeau has to say.  He makes it sound like if Canada doesn't pay this carbon tax the entire country is going to combust tomorrow.



We don't even have near what China and the US pump out...but it's made to sound like Canada is the worst in the world...how does this make any sense??





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Canada is down to 1.5% of global emissions and it still hasn't stopped the climate from doing what it always has and that is change. True Dope is ignoring the science.

I said it was a grift, I meant it. That all these enviro-nazis are coming out with the same talking points and rhetoric at the same time tells me that it's not Trudiepoos bright idea, but something he and climate alarmists like him are being told to say, And with every last one of them effectively telling us "do as I say, not as I do", I know the underlying premise is a crock of moose shit before I do a deeper dive on any of their Chicken Little claims and the solutions proposed.



The carbon credits trading scheme is nothing more or less than an elaborate tax where those with power and influence can milk the poor with impunity, using purchased (hell, "appropriated") credit to cover the rich's opulent lifestyles in the face of an invented crisis. There is not a single person alive on the planet who will ever witness the doomsday scenario of a global meltdown, but we are expected to think of the future nonetheless and forego our own lifestyles so a few thousand can live like utter pigs at our expense.



Same goes for the Troonie-Tunes argument. If your family line can be eradicated by sterilizing your children, the children of wealthier stock have a better chance of assuming the role of their forefathers. They won't have to worry about as much opposition now will they?



It is all a grift, and the sooner you refuse/resist it in all it's forms, the sooner you get to making yourself right again.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ODNxy3YOPU





And I don't much care where you think your rights came from; all that matters is that you understand that you (a) have them and (b) that they will be taken from you if you don't fight like hell to keep them inviolate.



Because nobody else is going to do it for you.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: DKG on July 02, 2023, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504995 time=1688262174 user_id=164
Quote from: DKG post_id=504820 time=1688127832 user_id=3390
C02 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere.


Correct.  It's sad that 'experts' didn't know...they couldn't answer that question when asked.

They know.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Herman on July 02, 2023, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504992 time=1688261593 user_id=164
Quote from: Herman post_id=504649 time=1687933283 user_id=3396


Eddie the Chug wants guest posting so he can follow mus around nipping at our ankles.


He's made it pretty obvious here.



Looking at eds and mel:



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They aint getting any.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Herman on July 02, 2023, 06:36:40 PM
The clean fuel regulations were first proposed in 2016, but they've faced delays and revisions along the way.



There won't be much of a change to pump prices across the country on July 1, experts say, although there will be a noticeable increase several years down the road.



The price impacts of the regulations will largely be based on how refineries and the fuel industry decide to comply, which experts say remains a big unknown.



"The policy has a pretty soft start because what it's requiring is to some extent even less than what is actually being required of other pre-existing policies," said Michael Wolinetz, a partner at Vancouver-based Navius Research, which provides consulting services on energy and the environment.



"We're not expecting the policy to have any real bite until around 2025."



Companies have to achieve carbon emission reduction targets each year by earning credits through improvements to production facilities (such as building a carbon capture and storage facility at a refinery), lowering the carbon intensity of the actual fuel (by adding more ethanol, for instance) and by offering electric vehicle charging and hydrogen vehicle fuelling.



There's also a credit trading system that allows companies to spend money to comply.



Adding more ethanol to gasoline and diesel is likely the most common way that industry will comply, say experts, because it's already being done, just in smaller quantities.



As the clean fuel requirements ramp up, so will prices at the pump as fuel companies face higher expenses, such as the purchase of more biofuels.



By 2030, the Parliamentary Budget Office predicts a price increase of 17 cents per litre — although it warns this is considered an upper limit. Experts agree, saying that estimate is likely the maximum price impact.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Shen Li on July 02, 2023, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: "Adolf Oliver Bush" post_id=505007 time=1688284484 user_id=3409
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=505003 time=1688275281 user_id=3389


Canada is down to 1.5% of global emissions and it still hasn't stopped the climate from doing what it always has and that is change. True Dope is ignoring the science.

I said it was a grift, I meant it. That all these enviro-nazis are coming out with the same talking points and rhetoric at the same time tells me that it's not Trudiepoos bright idea, but something he and climate alarmists like him are being told to say, And with every last one of them effectively telling us "do as I say, not as I do", I know the underlying premise is a crock of moose shit before I do a deeper dive on any of their Chicken Little claims and the solutions proposed.



The carbon credits trading scheme is nothing more or less than an elaborate tax where those with power and influence can milk the poor with impunity, using purchased (hell, "appropriated") credit to cover the rich's opulent lifestyles in the face of an invented crisis. There is not a single person alive on the planet who will ever witness the doomsday scenario of a global meltdown, but we are expected to think of the future nonetheless and forego our own lifestyles so a few thousand can live like utter pigs at our expense.



Same goes for the Troonie-Tunes argument. If your family line can be eradicated by sterilizing your children, the children of wealthier stock have a better chance of assuming the role of their forefathers. They won't have to worry about as much opposition now will they?



It is all a grift, and the sooner you refuse/resist it in all it's forms, the sooner you get to making yourself right again.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ODNxy3YOPU





And I don't much care where you think your rights came from; all that matters is that you understand that you (a) have them and (b) that they will be taken from you if you don't fight like hell to keep them inviolate.



Because nobody else is going to do it for you.

It's so fucking stupi.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 03, 2023, 05:55:16 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=505063 time=1688347041 user_id=3389


It's so fucking stupi.

Agreed, but it's a "stupid" that gets results. Considering few enough of us are calling them out in any meaningful way means it is succeeding.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: caskur on July 03, 2023, 06:12:01 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504997 time=1688263864 user_id=164




We don't even have near what China and the US pump out...but it's made to sound like Canada is the worst in the world...how does this make any sense??





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And AUSTRALIANS are also blamed as the worst in the world.



Why are liars  unaccountable?
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: caskur on July 03, 2023, 06:31:05 AM
I might have something to do with wrecking the virgin habitat...  BRAZIL, OZ and Indonesia are wrecking forests.
Title: Re: Carbon taxes are not the answer
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 03, 2023, 06:33:03 AM
Quote from: caskur post_id=505083 time=1688379121 user_id=2156
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=504997 time=1688263864 user_id=164
We don't even have near what China and the US pump out...but it's made to sound like Canada is the worst in the world...how does this make any sense??

And AUSTRALIANS are also blamed as the worst in the world.



Why are liars  unaccountable?

You both realise that in both cases it is your own media, governments and local NGOs making the claim at your country's expense, right? Step into someone else's country and you'll find neither Canada nor Australia are being accused of "being the worst".



Hell, you can see for yourself in the graph. Also note that it is a cumulative total over more years than many of the countries listed were industrialised, if they were to be considered industrialised at all. More useful would be a year by year comparison... want to hazard a guess why that data isn't on offer instead? Which country might be telling us all to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut if you enjoyed a fuller picture?



Better question perhaps? How soon will you be telling your detractors to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut?  :wink:
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