Turkey army group announces takeover on TV
An army group in Turkey says it has taken control of the country, with bridges closed in Istanbul and aircraft flying low over Ankara.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36809083
All of Erdogan's fundy replacements of military bosses failed!!
Ataturk wins again (maybe, we shall see how this shakes out) for the 4th time in 100 years 
 We can talk about how he set things up to protect against vile islam and to protect the people later 
it is quite a story - Quite a guy - Knew how to control vile islam
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Turkey army group announces takeover on TV
An army group in Turkey says it has taken control of the country, with bridges closed in Istanbul and aircraft flying low over Ankara.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36809083
All of Erdogan's fundy replacements of military bosses failed!!
Ataturk wins again (maybe, we shall see how this shakes out) for the 4th time in 100 years 
 We can talk about how he set things up to protect against vile islam and to protect the people later 
it is quite a story - Quite a guy
Military Dictatorship? American/CIA involvement?
so i guess that means Turkey is now under martial law, eh.
			 
			
			
				you have no clue Joe - NONE!!! Study Ataturk and get up to speed
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Ataturk wins again  for the 4th time in 100 years 
(maybe, we shall see how this shakes out)
Joe prolly thought Ataturk Airport was named after a half naked pop star
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Turkey army group announces takeover on TV
An army group in Turkey says it has taken control of the country, with bridges closed in Istanbul and aircraft flying low over Ankara.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36809083
All of Erdogan's fundy replacements of military bosses failed!!
Ataturk wins again (maybe, we shall see how this shakes out) for the 4th time in 100 years 
 We can talk about how he set things up to protect against vile islam and to protect the people later 
it is quite a story - Quite a guy
Turkey was a successful Muslim state because the Turkish military knew that Islam and civilized society are incompatible.
			 
			
			
				It's in the constitution - Ataturk had it written that it was the duty of the army to take back the country for the people every time islam was taking over
and of course with Erdogan, islam WAS taking over
Whether it is Ataturks constitution kicking in "as planned" / as per constitution  or a "coup" for power, we won't know for a while
This has happened 3 times in that 100yrs and the army kicked islam out and set up a new democracy and stepped out of the way 
Oh islam ... you never fucking quit your lust for power, do you
If only we had Ataturk's wisdom re: islam we would not be in the mess we are in - we took it in with no escape clause
Ataturk was brilliant!!!!
			
			
			
				we have no way to know at this point if it is a coup by a part of the military 
OR 
a group of the military doing their duty to protect the people from islam al la Ataturk's constitution provision 
Curiously, the PM said "this is not a coup" .... which implies the latter  .. yet the majority party is heavy duty islamist so one would expect the PM leader of the majority party to be islamist himself ... dunno
I hope it turns out to be a "god bless Ataturk!!" ... yet again
			
			
			
				Erdogan is not in captivity and urging people to take to the streets and to fight the part of the army that is trying to save the people from him
He does have a "devout" base, as islamists won the last 2 elections 
We may see a serious fight between his faction of the army and the group taking over for the people
"may"
			
			
			
				Erdogan when Mayor 
''Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off.''
Looks like the army obeying the constitution got to him in time 
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all
Still, just as for Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood) , O'Islamist calls for people to "support Erdogan (the hard core islamist) the elected leader ... .oblivious of Turkey's constitution that orders the army to remove any islamist leadership
			
			
			
				It would be really nice to discuss this issue without all the stupid one liners and general idiocy.  I think for most posters, it's getting to the point where it's just skipped over as more Islam bullshit puked on the main page.
			
			
			
				Care to be specific?
Control of Turkey is the most world important item in a long time 
As for me, I've always been an Ataturk fan ... I thinks he's one of the sharpest leaders of the century ... and these army people are following his constitutional order as have 3 previous armies ... saving the country from fundies taking over
			
			
			
				Not looking so good at moment. Erdogan back in country.
If he holds on to power, this will be his excuse to take that one last step to make Turkey officially an islamist dictatorship
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Care to be specific?
Control of Turkey is the most world important item in a long time 
As for me, I've always been an Ataturk fan ... I thinks he's one of the sharpest leaders of the century ... and these army people are following his constitutional order as have 3 previous armies ... saving the country from fundies taking over
Ataturk was a great man who transformed the former Ottoman Empire into a modern and secular nation-state. Under his leadership, thousands of new schools were built, primary education was made free and compulsory, and women were given equal civil and political rights.
He encouraged the Turks to wear modern European clothes. He understood how antithetical Islam is to modernity. A great mind indeed and he influenced Asian leaders with large Islamist populations.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Not looking so good at moment. Erdogan back in country.
If he holds on to power, this will be his excuse to take that one last step to make Turkey officially an islamist dictatorship
He's apparently very popular with the people.
			 
			
			
				The country voted Islamist  .. so, yes he is. The whole islamic world is on a steady fundy climb
 That said, the coup troops were swarmed with happy people. 
Looks like Ataturk's plan finally failed to save the country from religious law  (after 100 yrs of success) .. coup seems over
Meet  our world's new Khaliph. This gives him the excuse to take the last step. 
That statement I posted of his was legit btw - ''Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off.''
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all 
This is very bad news for the world 
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				Quote from: "cc la femme"
The country voted Islamist  .. so, yes he is. The whole islamic world is on a steady fundy climb
 That said, the coup troops were swarmed with happy people. 
Looks like Ataturk's plan finally failed to save the country from religious law  (after 100 yrs of success) .. coup seems over
Meet  our world's new Khaliph. This gives him the excuse to take the last step. 
That statement I posted of his was legit btw - he really did say that streetcar thing which i cited above  ... he also more  recently said  .. paraphrasing .. "there is no moderate islam, there is only islam"
Ataturk knew Islamism(political Islam) or the belief that Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life was backward and illogical. He also knew Islam needs restrictions placed on it. I am sorry the coup was unsuccessful. Another step back to the Ottoman caliphate for Turkey.
			 
			
			
				I suppose the only good thing is that with Turkey remaining on its fundy rise, they will not make the cut for the EU ... then, the EU may not be around long enough even if he was booted
			
			
			
				This was a poorly executed coup. I watched a travel show last year about Turkey. It touched on Turkey departing from it's anti Islamist past. This failed coup will result in taking Turkey back to the past and at a speedier pace.
			
			
			
				It's too bad, Turkey was a great place to visit. Particularly before Erdogan started on a path of an Islamic society incrementally.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
He's apparently very popular with the people.
Came across this on CNN 
Society is widely polarized between people who love or loathe Erdogan, says CNN's Ivan Watson.
Supporters argue that Erdogan is the first Turkish leader to put the military in its place beneath the elected civilian leadership.
However, he adds, that security services routinely use force to crush attempts at public protests against the government. Human rights groups constantly criticize the government for the arrest of critical journalists.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/world/live-blog-turkey/index.html
and
 It's the latest worrying example of deteriorating stability in a country that a few years ago was being promoted to the wider Muslim world as a model of democratic governance and economic prosperity.
one person's opinion. I would agree with it
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
It's too bad, Turkey was a great place to visit. Particularly before Erdogan started on a path of an Islamic society incrementally.
My brother was there last year.  Said it was a great place.  My uncle visits several times a year and loves the place.
Erdogan had been in power since 2003 so when exactly did it go to shit?
			 
			
			
				slowly starting then without a majority in the house  and steadily progressed fundy 
A few years ago his Islamist party won by a large margin and it picked up speed greatly
oops - you were asking Herm
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
It's too bad, Turkey was a great place to visit. Particularly before Erdogan started on a path of an Islamic society incrementally.
I know someone who became one of the leading fashion models in Turkey.
She appeared on the front cover of the Turkish edition of Vogue Magazine.
I hope she's OK if she still there. However with the mess that place is in she may have gotten the hell out of there.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
slowly starting then without a majority in the house  and steadily progressed fundy 
A few years ago his Islamist party won by a large margin and it picked up speed
Erdogan was elected democratically,but he has displayed a Putinesque centralization of power. Taking over the airwaves, crackdowns on Facebook and Twitter. Then theere is the creeping Islamism. I suspect this will not be the last attempt of either the office he holds or his life.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
slowly starting then without a majority in the house  and steadily progressed fundy 
A few years ago his Islamist party won by a large margin and it picked up speed greatly
oops - you were asking Herm
So it seemed it was still a decent place last year.  When exactly is it going to shit?
I should note my brother and his wife lived in Yemen for almost a year prior to the Iraq war.  And I mean in society, learning the language and living with the people.  He wasn't in some work camp or there on work.  He knows what it means to live in an Islamic society with Muslims.  He described Turkey far differently than Yemen.
Just sayin'.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "cc la femme"
slowly starting then without a majority in the house  and steadily progressed fundy 
A few years ago his Islamist party won by a large margin and it picked up speed greatly
oops - you were asking Herm
So it seemed it was still a decent place last year.  When exactly is it going to shit?
I should note my brother and his wife lived in Yemen for almost a year prior to the Iraq war.  And I mean in society, learning the language and living with the people.  He wasn't in some work camp or there on work.  He knows what it means to live in an Islamic society with Muslims.  He described Turkey far differently than Yemen.
Just sayin'.
 :2r4ml1j_th:
			 
			
			
				Seems your entire family is very comfortable with the ways of islam 
Just sayin
Edit ... lol ... you slipped that one in on me IH
			
			
			
				See previous page.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Seems your family is very comfortable with the ways of islam 
Just sayin
Is that what you took from that?  HAHAHA
My family has had experiences in Muslim countries.  My brother lived in Yemen.  My uncle was a soldier in the army and was in Afghanistan for years.  He worked with many Muslims in his time there and fought many Islamists.  He can tell the difference.  Seems others have a lot of trouble, wouldn't you say cc?
			 
			
			
				People do not go places they are not comfortable in 
Not sure what would be funny about that
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Maybe some do, but I sure don't
So are Muslims (not fundies) good, decent people who don't deserve to be shit on constantly over the actions of terrorists?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
People do not go places they are not comfortable in 
Not sure what would be funny about that
Your ridiculous conclusion was laughable so I laughed.
Was a whole post re-write due to my question being too hard to answer?
			 
			
			
				what was the question and ridiculous  conclusion again? .... this ludicrous page has me lost
Sorry, but I'm still thinking about Nice .... that one turned me inside out
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
what was the question and conclusion again? .... this ludicrous page has me lost
Sorry, but I'm still thinking about Nice .... that one turned me inside out
It's right below the post you re-wrote.  I'm sure you can manage to find it.
Did you know Muslims bystanders died in Nice as well?  Do you think of them?
			 
			
			
				yes Rohammed, I did know ... and the fact some islamics were in the group and were killed changes another  act of  cruel hateful  islamic slaughter how?
			
			
			
				In Turkey Erdogan's grip the country is tight and he persistently pushes for more authority. Former Prime Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu crossed and was removed. The sweeping definition of terrorism, which has been used to detain journalists and academics. 
I won't even get into comments he has made about the role of Turkish women in society.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
yes Rohammed, I did know ... and the fact some islamics were in the group and were killed changes another  act of  cruel hateful  islamic slaughter how?
It doesn't.  I just wondered if you knew the difference between the driver of the truck and those under its wheels.
			 
			
			
				I won't try any longer to understand what you said ..... as nothing good came to mind
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
I won't try any longer to understand what you said ..... as nothing good came to mind
I have no idea what that means but if you've got it figured out, can you let the others know?
Thanks!
			 
			
			
				lol .. it was me trying to figure what you had said (or meant) previously  ... and failing
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "cc la femme"
yes Rohammed, I did know ... and the fact some islamics were in the group and were killed changes another  act of  cruel hateful  islamic slaughter how?
It doesn't.  I just wondered if you knew the difference between the driver of the truck and those under its wheels.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Turkey army group announces takeover on TV
An army group in Turkey says it has taken control of the country, with bridges closed in Istanbul and aircraft flying low over Ankara.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36809083
All of Erdogan's fundy replacements of military bosses failed!!
Ataturk wins again (maybe, we shall see how this shakes out) for the 4th time in 100 years 
 We can talk about how he set things up to protect against vile islam and to protect the people later 
it is quite a story - Quite a guy - Knew how to control vile islam
It seems the Turkish army has gone coup coup.
 :laugh:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Fashionista"
It seems the Turkish army has gone coup coup.
 :laugh:
good one
 :laugh:
I'll be nice and  for the moment refrain from playing on the word turkey  .. even though in light of recent going all fundy years, many appropriate  thoughts come to mind
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
good one
 :laugh:
I am glad you like it cc la femme..
I thought it might have been perceived as in bad taste.
			 
			
			
				That is possible, but coming from yourself I know you meant no evil ,,, as an innocent play on words it's good
			
			
			
				On the serious side, I'm very sad for Turkey .... have been for the last several years as it  has gone progressively more and more fundy ... despite rather strange assurances from RW's family that it a great place. 
Especially sad is that this has played right into the wannabe khaliph's hands. He is now "cleansing" secular minded opposition in military ... and worse in the judicial and legislative  systems at a greatly accelerated rate  .. using this as the convenient excuse "to secure the people from harm" .... end result being he is now rapidly guarantying a permanent hard core islamist run country
A majority of its people seem to be on board with that as they voted islamist in the last 2 elections
Quote from: "NT TIMES in same link below"
Meanwhile, the Welfare Party finished first in a close national election, and Erbakan became the country's first Islamist prime minister in 1996. With his rhetorical cannons firing away, he declared Turkish politics a pitiful imitation of the West and announced a campaign for worldwide Muslim solidarity. He overreached. After 12 months, the military forced him to resign.
There had long been differences between the younger party leaders, who came to be known as the modernists, and Erbakan and his men -- whom they called the Politburo. When Erbakan was ousted and subsequently banned from politics, the modernists had their opening. But first they had to withstand the legacy of Erbakan's radical provocations of the establishment, a crackdown that would pave the way for Erdogan's rise.
In December 1997, the Welfare Party sent Erdogan to a political rally in southeastern Siirt, an impoverished, religious district where his wife's family originated. On that day, as he had several times before, he recited a quatrain by Ziya Gokalp, an ideologue of Turkish nationalism:
 ''The mosques are our barracks,/the domes our helmets,/the minarets our bayonets,/ and the believers our soldiers.''
The guy who as mayor said "" ''Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off" ...  http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all  ...  now has the last obstacles out of the way to  change the constitution to protect fundamentalism instead of secularism 
He's now able to step off the streetcar (democracy) - The Khaliph has arrived
Ataturk's 100 year old secular constitution with its built in military protection for secularism is gone, it is totally dead now .. in large part made easy because the population has steadily become much  more fundamentalist
One more step / win for islamic fundamentalism that has been markedly on the rise for a couple of decades now "everywhere" throughout the world .... 
and yes, I said and meant "everywhere"
			 
			
			
				ABC NEWS - U.S. Troops at Turkish Air Base on Highest Force Protection Level (//http)
U.S. troops at Turkey's Incirlik air base were at the highest force protection level, known as "condition Delta," after power was cut off at the base and the Turkish government closed the airspace around the site in the hours following a foiled military coup attempt, a U.S. official told ABC News today.
Turkish officials told ABC News they believe Turkish planes docked at Incirlik Air Base took part in Friday night's coup attempt, which is why the site is locked down.
Turkey allows the United States to use the air base for operations associated with its air campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
There are 2,200 U.S. personnel in Turkey, including 1,500 stationed at Incirlik.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
It's too bad, Turkey was a great place to visit. Particularly before Erdogan started on a path of an Islamic society incrementally.
Note cc, my comment was in response to Herman's comment about Turkey being a great place to visit in past tense.  I simply stated that I have family who has been there recently and still found it enjoyable even after Erdogan being in power since 2003.  I know you don't like it when I challenge dumbass comments but you of all people should be used to it by now.  I mean you've been ducking and weaving them for years.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
ABC NEWS - U.S. Troops at Turkish Air Base on Highest Force Protection Level (//http)
U.S. troops at Turkey's Incirlik air base were at the highest force protection level, known as "condition Delta," after power was cut off at the base and the Turkish government closed the airspace around the site in the hours following a foiled military coup attempt, a U.S. official told ABC News today.
Turkish officials told ABC News they believe Turkish planes docked at Incirlik Air Base took part in Friday night's coup attempt, which is why the site is locked down.
Turkey allows the United States to use the air base for operations associated with its air campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
There are 2,200 U.S. personnel in Turkey, including 1,500 stationed at Incirlik.
Wouldn't be the first time the US military has been in the dark.
			 
			
			
				Wouldn't be the first time you've missed / slid around the point like a Rohammed ( lately ONLY  that is)
There, that's it - You earned that, and  that is as far as I choose to go
Now for Important Stuff:
What gives with you of late? Spewing constant personal insults every time someone posts something you don't wish to hear.
 I will not stoop to issuing insults in return so it's a one-way fight of yours alone - don't expect me to play that game with you
What the hell is going on with you of late? The insults don't stick on me at all, but they are very unbecoming of you
Please just stop it. You are a lot better than that.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Wouldn't be the first time you've missed / slid around the point like a Rohammed ( lately ONLY  that is)
You slide around damn near anything where the answer isn't "Islam is evil".  You've bee doing it for years.
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There, that's it - You earned that, and  that is as far as I choose to go
Now for Important Stuff:
What gives with you of late? Spewing constant personal insults every time someone posts something you don't wish to hear.
 I will not stoop to issuing insults in return so it's a one-way fight of yours alone - don't expect me to play that game with you
You mean like calling me "Rohammed" repeatedly?  :001_rolleyes: 
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What the hell is going on with you of late? The insults don't stick on me at all, but they are very unbecoming of you.  Please just stop it. You are a lot better than that.
The stupidity gets to me after a while. You, et al, regurgitard media talking points and can't rise to any real challenge.  You just want to post nasty shit about Islam ad nauseum and think it will go without challenge.  I can't sit by and let this shit go uncontested.
You sit there while you and Herman insult the shit out of Romero but if I pipe up, I'm supposedly better than that?
			 
			
			
				OK, OK. I'll say you are not better than that. 
Happy now?
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Fuck off
done
EDIT - OK. I'll bite. Where did that last post go to??? WTF is going on here?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
On the serious side, I'm very sad for Turkey .... have been for the last several years as it  has gone progressively more and more fundy ... despite rather strange assurances from RW's family that it a great place. 
Especially sad is that this has played right into the wannabe khaliph's hands. He is now "cleansing" secular minded opposition in military ... and worse in the judicial and legislative  systems at a greatly accelerated rate  .. using this as the convenient excuse "to secure the people from harm" .... end result being he is now rapidly guarantying a permanent hard core islamist run country
A majority of its people seem to be on board with that as they voted islamist in the last 2 elections
Quote from: "NT TIMES in same link below"
Meanwhile, the Welfare Party finished first in a close national election, and Erbakan became the country's first Islamist prime minister in 1996. With his rhetorical cannons firing away, he declared Turkish politics a pitiful imitation of the West and announced a campaign for worldwide Muslim solidarity. He overreached. After 12 months, the military forced him to resign.
There had long been differences between the younger party leaders, who came to be known as the modernists, and Erbakan and his men -- whom they called the Politburo. When Erbakan was ousted and subsequently banned from politics, the modernists had their opening. But first they had to withstand the legacy of Erbakan's radical provocations of the establishment, a crackdown that would pave the way for Erdogan's rise.
In December 1997, the Welfare Party sent Erdogan to a political rally in southeastern Siirt, an impoverished, religious district where his wife's family originated. On that day, as he had several times before, he recited a quatrain by Ziya Gokalp, an ideologue of Turkish nationalism:
 ''The mosques are our barracks,/the domes our helmets,/the minarets our bayonets,/ and the believers our soldiers.''
The guy who as mayor said "" ''Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off" ...  http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all  ...  now has the last obstacles out of the way to  change the constitution to protect fundamentalism instead of secularism 
He's now able to step off the streetcar (democracy) - The Khaliph has arrived
Ataturk's 100 year old secular constitution with its built in military protection for secularism is gone, it is totally dead now .. in large part made easy because the population has steadily become much  more fundamentalist
One more step / win for islamic fundamentalism that has been markedly on the rise for a couple of decades now "everywhere" throughout the world .... 
and yes, I said and meant "everywhere"
I have spent a lot of time in Turkey pre Erdogan and since he first became pm. Anyone that says there are no differences is blind or full of shit. If you are an Islamist, you like the changes. If you are modern secularist, you are deeply worried.
			 
			
			
				Some things I read this morning about Erdogan.
The government threat of further crackdowns raised concerns over the future of democracy in Turkey, which has long prided itself in its democratic and secular traditions despite being in a tumultuous region swept by con ict and extremism. 
Before the weekend's chaos, Turkey — a NATO member and key Western ally in the fight against Islamic State — had been wracked by political turmoil that critics blamed on Erdogan's increasingly authoritarian rule. 
He has shaken up the government, cracked down on dissidents, restricted the news media and renewed fighting with Kurdish rebels
			
			
			
				I watched on the news that the Turkish president wants to bring back the death penalty for those involved with the coup attempt.
 :ohmy:
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
Some things I read this morning about Erdogan.
The government threat of further crackdowns raised concerns over the future of democracy in Turkey, which has long prided itself in its democratic and secular traditions despite being in a tumultuous region swept by con ict and extremism. 
Before the weekend's chaos, Turkey — a NATO member and key Western ally in the fight against Islamic State — had been wracked by political turmoil that critics blamed on Erdogan's increasingly authoritarian rule. 
He has shaken up the government, cracked down on dissidents, restricted the news media and renewed fighting with Kurdish rebels
That's just the tip of the iceberg. A failed coup is what every would be authoritarian wants to consolidate his grip on the nation.
			 
			
			
				The new British Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is not your typical politician.
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Boris Johnson has won a £1,000 prize for a rude poem about the Turkish president having sex with a goat.
The former mayor of London's limerick, published by the Spectator as a rebuff to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's efforts to prosecute a German comedian's offensive poem, also calls the president a "wankerer".
Johnson, a former editor of the magazine, won the Spectator's "President Erdoğan offensive poetry competition", despite judge Douglas Murray saying the contest had received thousands of entries. The prize money has been donated by a reader.
The limerick was written off-the-cuff by the Conservative MP during an interview with the Swiss weekly magazine Die Weltwoche.
Johnson – whose great-grandfather was Turkish – called it "a scandal" that a German court had granted an injunction to prevent comedian Jan Böhmermann repeating his offensive skit about the Turkish president.
Johnson then offered the limerick: "There was a young fellow from Ankara, Who was a terrific wankerer.
"Till he sowed his wild oats, With the help of a goat, But he didn't even stop to thankera."
The former mayor is reported to be surprised that his efforts were officially entered into the competition.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/19/boris-johnson-wins-most-offensive-erdogan-poem-competition
			 
			
			
				I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
Turkey was a powerful empire. They are critically important to Western security. Islamists would like nothing better than to see this militarily powerful sunni majority nation lose all of it's secular character. 
And so you know; the character from the Godfather that you mentioned was an Italian-American, not a Turk. :001_rolleyes:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
Turkey was a powerful empire. They are critically important to Western security. Islamists would like nothing better than to see this militarily powerful sunni majority nation lose all of it's secular character. 
And so you know; the character from the Godfather that you mentioned was an Italian-American, not a Turk. :001_rolleyes:
You're right. He immulated a Turk.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Hey you cheesy fool. Go cook your cheesy Kraft Macaroni and cheese. A real gourmet. I'll move on for now.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
I am trying to discipline myself to not to read any of this ignorant fool's posts.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
I am trying to discipline myself to not to read any of this ignorant fool's posts.
I know the girls have expectations. Try being a man instead of a cheese ball. Don't like what I post put me on ignore. Scared little man
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
I am trying to discipline myself to not to read any of this ignorant fool's posts.
I know the girls have expectations. Try being a man instead of a cheese ball. Don't like what I post put me on ignore. Scared little man
What a fucking retard TD is.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
Real good at accounting. Like counting my $$$. You never answered my question?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
Real good at accounting. Like counting my $$$. You never answered my question?
Try paying attention once in awhile...
.
Maybe you won't look so fucking stupid. :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				
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Not paying attention here can become meaningful. 
What a this. What a that.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
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Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
Real good at accounting. Like counting my $$$. You never answered my question?
Try paying attention once in awhile...
.
Maybe you won't look so fucking stupid. :laugh3:
The idiot is just being himself.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
Real good at accounting. Like counting my $$$. You never answered my question?
Try paying attention once in awhile...
.
Maybe you won't look so fucking stupid. :laugh3:
The idiot is just being himself.
That's who I am train worker. What about you? I have a special photo of you. Soon I'll post it.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
Real good at accounting. Like counting my $$$. You never answered my question?
Try paying attention once in awhile...
.
Maybe you won't look so fucking stupid. :laugh3:
The idiot is just being himself.
That's who I am train worker. What about you? I have a special photo of you. Soon I'll post it.
You are not supposed to be posting pics of anyone without their permission. Fash does not like that.
			 
			
			
				
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You seem out of it Lucy
			 
			
			
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You seem out of it Lucy
Hey pot, meet the kettle. :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"

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You seem out of it Lucy
Hey pot, meet the kettle. :laugh3:
He's a dumbass.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
Real good at accounting. Like counting my $$$. You never answered my question?
Try paying attention once in awhile...
.
Maybe you won't look so fucking stupid. :laugh3:
I don't think he is capable of looking any other way.
			 
			
			
				
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Funny coming from the cheesy ticket taker. Scared little man.....
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.
That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.
Understatement of the year. 
I find it ironic and kind of amusing how TP accuses others of not having a clue. 
Talk about unintentional projection. ac_toofunny
curious how the job seeker would describe the event? By the way, any luck?
Do you ever make any sense? Do you have any clue as to what's going on....ever?
I don't think you do. :nea:
Real good at accounting. Like counting my $$$. You never answered my question?
Try paying attention once in awhile...
.
Maybe you won't look so fucking stupid. :laugh3:
I don't think he is capable of looking any other way.
Sadly he proves your statement correct every time he posts.
			 
			
			
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Funny coming from the cheesy ticket taker. Scared little man.....
That's a subway. Old jock runs freight trains.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
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Funny coming from the cheesy ticket taker. Scared little man.....
That's a subway. Old jock runs freight trains.
Tell the ticket taker  to mind him manners
			 
			
			
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Funny coming from the cheesy ticket taker. Scared little man.....
That's a subway. Old jock runs freight trains.
Tell the ticket taker  to mind him manners
I will not tell him to "mind him manners". I will tell you that is entirely different job than old Jock's gig.
			 
			
			
				I heard eighty thousand people have been fired from their jobs as a result of the coup.
 :ohmy:
			
			
			
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Funny coming from the cheesy ticket taker. Scared little man.....
That's a subway. Old jock runs freight trains.
Tell the ticket taker  to mind him manners
I will not tell him to "mind him manners". I will tell you that is entirely different job than old Jock's gig.
TD is too stupid to follow a post, so you are wasting a post trying to explain the differences between a mass transit operator and a freight train hog head to a dunce like him.
			 
			
			
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I heard eighty thousand people have been fired from their jobs as a result of the coup.
 :ohmy:
Holy fuck, Erdogan's crack down is even more extreme than I thought it would be.
			 
			
			
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Funny coming from the cheesy ticket taker. Scared little man.....
That's a subway. Old jock runs freight trains.
Tell the ticket taker  to mind him manners
I will not tell him to "mind him manners". I will tell you that is entirely different job than old Jock's gig.
TD is too stupid to follow a post, so you are wasting a post trying to explain the differences between a mass transit operator and a freight train hog head to a dunce like him.
TD probably has a little toy locomotive he plays with. Naturally, that makes him another Hunter Harrison when it comes to the freight rail industry.
			 
			
			
				The Turkish government has shut down 130 media outlets since the coup attempts.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkey-shuts-down-130-media-8507156
			
			
			
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The Turkish government has shut down 130 media outlets since the coup attempts.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkey-shuts-down-130-media-8507156
Does still have doubts about Erdogan having authoritarian ambitions?
			 
			
			
				Only Islamophobes like Herman and cc la femme have a problem with Turks supporting their popular president.
			
			
			
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Only Islamophobes like Herman and cc la femme have a problem with Turks supporting their popular president.
Only dickheads like you can't see the clown is tightening his authoritarian grip on Turkey.
			 
			
			
				He is popular. The majority of Turkish people have gone all fundy.
He had already taken several steps to protect himself from being deposed. The so-called coupe gave him the excuse to seize total power and is getting rid of ALL dissent .. making Turkey an islamic state .. expect full islamic law soon as he gets things totally organized
A secular democracy since 1921 is no more, never to be seen again at least for several lifetimes ...  if ever
The new Kaliphe has risen ... Hey, it's islam. Whatchya expect for the final outcome? The Fundies ALWAYS win out in the end
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
He is popular. The majority of Turkish people have gone all fundy.
He had already taken several steps to protect himself from being deposed. The so-called coupe gave him the excuse to seize total power and is getting rid of ALL dissent .. making Turkey an islamic state .. expect full islamic law soon as he gets things totally organized
A secular democracy since 1921 is no more, never to be seen again at least for several lifetimes ...  if ever
The new Kaliphe has risen ... Hey, it's islam. Whatchya expect for the final outcome? The Fundies ALWAYS win out in the end
Do you think Erdoga may have had a hand in this himself?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
He is popular. The majority of Turkish people have gone all fundy.
He had already taken several steps to protect himself from being deposed. The so-called coupe gave him the excuse to seize total power and is getting rid of ALL dissent .. making Turkey an islamic state .. expect full islamic law soon as he gets things totally organized
A secular democracy since 1921 is no more, never to be seen again at least for several lifetimes ...  if ever
The new Kaliphe has risen ... Hey, it's islam. Whatchya expect for the final outcome? The Fundies ALWAYS win out in the end
That failed coup was best thing that ever happened to Erdogan. It's full steam ahead towards authoritarianism.