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Quote from: "shin"Somewhere during our formative years the concept of honor comes into play and we're taught to accept this variable merit system to regard most of our acquaintances throughout life, constantly re-evaluating where one would stand amongst them, should we ever be made to stand in a line of good to better... but in the end is it worth it?



On a scale of 1 to 10 highest, what value does honor hold in your personal life? Would you say you are more honorable than most of your friends?



Do you think the praise that comes with being held in high regard among a network of people is more important than having a lofty level of self esteem? If you don't think they feed off of each other, what do you think are some important values to be proud of not directly related to the general concept of inherited honor?



 :howdy:

Quote from: "Herman"There are some pretty universal standards of what honor is, but there are individual differences. For example, not turning in your friends if they do something illegal(depending on the infraction) is honorable . For others, turning them in is honorable.

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Quote from: "Herman"There are some pretty universal standards of what honor is, but there are individual differences. For example, not turning in your friends if they do something illegal(depending on the infraction) is honorable . For others, turning them in is honorable.

omerta :icon_wink:

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Good post Herman^^^^

So true.

Quote from: "shin"Somewhere during our formative years the concept of honor comes into play and we're taught to accept this variable merit system to regard most of our acquaintances throughout life, constantly re-evaluating where one would stand amongst them, should we ever be made to stand in a line of good to better... but in the end is it worth it?



On a scale of 1 to 10 highest, what value does honor hold in your personal life? Would you say you are more honorable than most of your friends?



Do you think the praise that comes with being held in high regard among a network of people is more important than having a lofty level of self esteem? If you don't think they feed off of each other, what do you think are some important values to be proud of not directly related to the general concept of inherited honor?



 :howdy:

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Quote from: "shin"Somewhere during our formative years the concept of honor comes into play and we're taught to accept this variable merit system to regard most of our acquaintances throughout life, constantly re-evaluating where one would stand amongst them, should we ever be made to stand in a line of good to better... but in the end is it worth it?



On a scale of 1 to 10 highest, what value does honor hold in your personal life? Would you say you are more honorable than most of your friends?



Do you think the praise that comes with being held in high regard among a network of people is more important than having a lofty level of self esteem? If you don't think they feed off of each other, what do you think are some important values to be proud of not directly related to the general concept of inherited honor?



 :howdy:

There is some truth to what the posters are saying about the relationship between honour and culture. Shin, what do you consider honourable?

Quote from: "Shen Li"Honour killings anyone?

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Quote from: "Shen Li"Honour killings anyone?

Hey Shen Li



I've heard of honor killings, but I was unsure if this is something protected by law anywhere. What are some examples of justifiable reasons to kill for honor?

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Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Honour killings anyone?

Hey Shen Li



I've heard of honor killings, but I was unsure if this is something protected by law anywhere. What are some examples of justifiable reasons to kill for honor?

The Napoleonic Code Article 324 which was passed in 1810 permitted the murders of an unfaithful wife and her lover at the hand of her husband. It was abolished only in 1975. It's ironic, but France's 1810 penal code Article 324 passed by Napoleon was copied by Middle Eastern Arab countries.



France's Article 324 inspired laws in other Arab countries such as:

Algeria's 1991 Penal Code Article 279

Egypt's 1937 Penal Code no. 58 Article 237

Iraq's 1966 Penal Code Article 409

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code no. 16 Article 340

Kuwait's Penal Code Article 153

Lebanon's Penal Code Articles 193, 252, 253 and 562 These were amended in 1983, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1999 and were eventually repealed by the Lebanese Parliament on August 4, 2011

Libya's Penal Code Article 375

Morocco's 1963 amended Penal Code Article 418

Oman's Penal Code Article 252

Palestine, which had two codes

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code 1960 in the West Bank and British Mandate Criminal Code Article 18 in the Gaza Strip These were respectively repealed by Article 1 and Article 2 and both by Article 3 of the 2011 Law no. 71 which was signed on May 5, 2011 by President Mahmoud Abbas into the October 10, 2011 Official Gazette no. 91 applying in the Criminal Code of Palestine's Northern Governorates and Southern Governorates

Syria's 1953 amended 1949 Penal Code Article 548

Tunisia's 1991 Penal Code Article 207 (which was repealed)

United Arab Emirate's law no.3/1978 Article 334

Yemen's law no. 12/1994 Article 232

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Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Honour killings anyone?

Hey Shen Li



I've heard of honor killings, but I was unsure if this is something protected by law anywhere. What are some examples of justifiable reasons to kill for honor?

The Napoleonic Code Article 324 which was passed in 1810 permitted the murders of an unfaithful wife and her lover at the hand of her husband. It was abolished only in 1975. It's ironic, but France's 1810 penal code Article 324 passed by Napoleon was copied by Middle Eastern Arab countries.



France's Article 324 inspired laws in other Arab countries such as:

Algeria's 1991 Penal Code Article 279

Egypt's 1937 Penal Code no. 58 Article 237

Iraq's 1966 Penal Code Article 409

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code no. 16 Article 340

Kuwait's Penal Code Article 153

Lebanon's Penal Code Articles 193, 252, 253 and 562 These were amended in 1983, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1999 and were eventually repealed by the Lebanese Parliament on August 4, 2011

Libya's Penal Code Article 375

Morocco's 1963 amended Penal Code Article 418

Oman's Penal Code Article 252

Palestine, which had two codes

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code 1960 in the West Bank and British Mandate Criminal Code Article 18 in the Gaza Strip These were respectively repealed by Article 1 and Article 2 and both by Article 3 of the 2011 Law no. 71 which was signed on May 5, 2011 by President Mahmoud Abbas into the October 10, 2011 Official Gazette no. 91 applying in the Criminal Code of Palestine's Northern Governorates and Southern Governorates

Syria's 1953 amended 1949 Penal Code Article 548

Tunisia's 1991 Penal Code Article 207 (which was repealed)

United Arab Emirate's law no.3/1978 Article 334

Yemen's law no. 12/1994 Article 232

Thanks, Herman.



i would have never guessed that Napoleon had something to do with it.

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Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Honour killings anyone?

Hey Shen Li



I've heard of honor killings, but I was unsure if this is something protected by law anywhere. What are some examples of justifiable reasons to kill for honor?

The Napoleonic Code Article 324 which was passed in 1810 permitted the murders of an unfaithful wife and her lover at the hand of her husband. It was abolished only in 1975. It's ironic, but France's 1810 penal code Article 324 passed by Napoleon was copied by Middle Eastern Arab countries.



France's Article 324 inspired laws in other Arab countries such as:

Algeria's 1991 Penal Code Article 279

Egypt's 1937 Penal Code no. 58 Article 237

Iraq's 1966 Penal Code Article 409

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code no. 16 Article 340

Kuwait's Penal Code Article 153

Lebanon's Penal Code Articles 193, 252, 253 and 562 These were amended in 1983, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1999 and were eventually repealed by the Lebanese Parliament on August 4, 2011

Libya's Penal Code Article 375

Morocco's 1963 amended Penal Code Article 418

Oman's Penal Code Article 252

Palestine, which had two codes

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code 1960 in the West Bank and British Mandate Criminal Code Article 18 in the Gaza Strip These were respectively repealed by Article 1 and Article 2 and both by Article 3 of the 2011 Law no. 71 which was signed on May 5, 2011 by President Mahmoud Abbas into the October 10, 2011 Official Gazette no. 91 applying in the Criminal Code of Palestine's Northern Governorates and Southern Governorates

Syria's 1953 amended 1949 Penal Code Article 548

Tunisia's 1991 Penal Code Article 207 (which was repealed)

United Arab Emirate's law no.3/1978 Article 334

Yemen's law no. 12/1994 Article 232

Thanks, Herman.



i would have never guessed that Napoleon had something to do with it.

Who would have thought that Napoleon inspired sharia law?

 ac_wot

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Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Honour killings anyone?

Hey Shen Li



I've heard of honor killings, but I was unsure if this is something protected by law anywhere. What are some examples of justifiable reasons to kill for honor?

The Napoleonic Code Article 324 which was passed in 1810 permitted the murders of an unfaithful wife and her lover at the hand of her husband. It was abolished only in 1975. It's ironic, but France's 1810 penal code Article 324 passed by Napoleon was copied by Middle Eastern Arab countries.



France's Article 324 inspired laws in other Arab countries such as:

Algeria's 1991 Penal Code Article 279

Egypt's 1937 Penal Code no. 58 Article 237

Iraq's 1966 Penal Code Article 409

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code no. 16 Article 340

Kuwait's Penal Code Article 153

Lebanon's Penal Code Articles 193, 252, 253 and 562 These were amended in 1983, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1999 and were eventually repealed by the Lebanese Parliament on August 4, 2011

Libya's Penal Code Article 375

Morocco's 1963 amended Penal Code Article 418

Oman's Penal Code Article 252

Palestine, which had two codes

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code 1960 in the West Bank and British Mandate Criminal Code Article 18 in the Gaza Strip These were respectively repealed by Article 1 and Article 2 and both by Article 3 of the 2011 Law no. 71 which was signed on May 5, 2011 by President Mahmoud Abbas into the October 10, 2011 Official Gazette no. 91 applying in the Criminal Code of Palestine's Northern Governorates and Southern Governorates

Syria's 1953 amended 1949 Penal Code Article 548

Tunisia's 1991 Penal Code Article 207 (which was repealed)

United Arab Emirate's law no.3/1978 Article 334

Yemen's law no. 12/1994 Article 232

Thanks, Herman.



i would have never guessed that Napoleon had something to do with it.

Who would have thought that Napoleon inspired sharia law?

 ac_wot

Bullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".  :negative:

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Shen Li"Honour killings anyone?

Hey Shen Li



I've heard of honor killings, but I was unsure if this is something protected by law anywhere. What are some examples of justifiable reasons to kill for honor?

The Napoleonic Code Article 324 which was passed in 1810 permitted the murders of an unfaithful wife and her lover at the hand of her husband. It was abolished only in 1975. It's ironic, but France's 1810 penal code Article 324 passed by Napoleon was copied by Middle Eastern Arab countries.



France's Article 324 inspired laws in other Arab countries such as:

Algeria's 1991 Penal Code Article 279

Egypt's 1937 Penal Code no. 58 Article 237

Iraq's 1966 Penal Code Article 409

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code no. 16 Article 340

Kuwait's Penal Code Article 153

Lebanon's Penal Code Articles 193, 252, 253 and 562 These were amended in 1983, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1999 and were eventually repealed by the Lebanese Parliament on August 4, 2011

Libya's Penal Code Article 375

Morocco's 1963 amended Penal Code Article 418

Oman's Penal Code Article 252

Palestine, which had two codes

Jordan's 1960 Penal Code 1960 in the West Bank and British Mandate Criminal Code Article 18 in the Gaza Strip These were respectively repealed by Article 1 and Article 2 and both by Article 3 of the 2011 Law no. 71 which was signed on May 5, 2011 by President Mahmoud Abbas into the October 10, 2011 Official Gazette no. 91 applying in the Criminal Code of Palestine's Northern Governorates and Southern Governorates

Syria's 1953 amended 1949 Penal Code Article 548

Tunisia's 1991 Penal Code Article 207 (which was repealed)

United Arab Emirate's law no.3/1978 Article 334

Yemen's law no. 12/1994 Article 232

Thanks, Herman.



i would have never guessed that Napoleon had something to do with it.

Who would have thought that Napoleon inspired sharia law?

 ac_wot

Bullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".  :negative:

I did not mean it literally Renee.

 :001_rolleyes:

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

Would that be considered a racist insult in the USA to say that Renee?

QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

Would that be considered a racist insult in the USA to say that Renee?

It's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.



Besides, according to the sociopolitical left, you can't be racist towards white people. White people aren't capable of being discriminated against.  :laugh3:



If you believe that, I have a beautiful bridge for sale. Interested in a large purchase? :laugh3:

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QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

That's how I should have worded it Renee?

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

That's how I should have worded it Renee?

Race baiting. :negative:

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

That's how I should have worded it Renee?

Race baiting. :negative:

I remember in Ireland, people would say the Irish built America. Germans and Italians also had exaggerated claims. No big deal in my opinion. But, if Irish-Americans, German-Americans or Italian-Americans say that, they are race baiting? That is so stupid.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

That's how I should have worded it Renee?

Race baiting. :negative:

I remember in Ireland, people would say the Irish built America. Germans and Italians also had exaggerated claims. No big deal in my opinion. But, if Irish-Americans, German-Americans or Italian-Americans say that, they are race baiting? That is so stupid.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

That's how I should have worded it Renee?

Race baiting. :negative:

I remember in Ireland, people would say the Irish built America. Germans and Italians also had exaggerated claims. No big deal in my opinion. But, if Irish-Americans, German-Americans or Italian-Americans say that, they are race baiting? That is so stupid.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

That's how I should have worded it Renee?

Race baiting. :negative:

I remember in Ireland, people would say the Irish built America. Germans and Italians also had exaggerated claims. No big deal in my opinion. But, if Irish-Americans, German-Americans or Italian-Americans say that, they are race baiting? That is so stupid.

Its not racial to say the Irish built or the Germans, Italians, etc built America. That's simply exaggerated national pride. It's not the same as saying a particular racial group is responsible. Saying that slaves built the capital or the Whitehouse is a passive aggressive admonishment toward white Americans saying that they took advantage of the oppressed blacks and they should be ashamed of it.



Truth is no one alive today should be ashamed of 18th and 19th century morality. No one alive today had anything to do with it. The idea that people today should somehow bare responsibility or shame for the, the social conditions and morality of a world that ended over 150 years ago is ludicrous and insulting. Its an excuse to play the victim card and to seek out protected class status.



Furthermore, just to be clear.....the Whitehouse that the Obama's live in is not the original Whitehouse that was partially built by slave labor. In 1814 the original Whitehouse was looted and burned to the ground by the British during James Madison's presidency. When the fire was out a day and a half later, the only thing remaining was a partial shell. The building was then rebuilt by free carpenters, craftsman and stone masons mostly coming from Maryland and Virginia. So Michelle Obama's statement was misleading and purposely inflammatory. She's been great for shit like that because she's a leftwing radical with an axe to grind.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

QuoteIt's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.

That's how I should have worded it Renee?

Race baiting. :negative:

I remember in Ireland, people would say the Irish built America. Germans and Italians also had exaggerated claims. No big deal in my opinion. But, if Irish-Americans, German-Americans or Italian-Americans say that, they are race baiting? That is so stupid.

Its not racial to say the Irish built or the Germans, Italians, etc built America. That's simply exaggerated national pride. It's not the same as saying a particular racial group is responsible. Saying that slaves built the capital or the Whitehouse is a passive aggressive admonishment toward white Americans saying that they took advantage of the oppressed blacks and they should be ashamed of it.



Truth is no one alive today should be ashamed of 18th and 19th century morality. No one alive today had anything to do with it. The idea that people today should somehow bare responsibility or shame for the, the social conditions and morality of a world that ended over 150 years ago is ludicrous and insulting. Its an excuse to play the victim card and to seek out protected class status.



Furthermore, just to be clear.....the Whitehouse that the Obama's live in is not the original Whitehouse that was partially built by slave labor. In 1814 the original Whitehouse was looted and burned to the ground by the British during James Madison's presidency. When the fire was out a day and a half later, the only thing remaining was a partial shell. The building was then rebuilt by free carpenters, craftsman and stone masons mostly coming from Maryland and Virginia. So Michelle Obama's statement was misleading and purposely inflammatory. She's been great for shit like that because she's a leftwing radical with an axe to grind.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

Would that be considered a racist insult in the USA to say that Renee?

It's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.



Besides, according to the sociopolitical left, you can't be racist towards white people. White people aren't capable of being discriminated against.  :laugh3:



If you believe that, I have a beautiful bridge for sale. Interested in a large purchase? :laugh3:

Quote from: "Rambo Wong"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

Would that be considered a racist insult in the USA to say that Renee?

It's not exactly racist....but it certainly qualifies as race baiting.



Besides, according to the sociopolitical left, you can't be racist towards white people. White people aren't capable of being discriminated against.  :laugh3:



If you believe that, I have a beautiful bridge for sale. Interested in a large purchase? :laugh3:

Holy Angelina Jolie, what a racist thing for Renee to say.

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QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

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QuoteBullshit, the Napoleonic code does not legalize or condone "Honor Killings".



Article 324 States that murder committed against a wife by her husband is not excusable unless in cases of self defense or in cases of adultery where the husband walks in on his wife in the middle of the act of adultery with another man. It must also take place in the house where the husband and wife dwell.



In other words, it's what would be termed "a crime of passion".



Honor killings are more often that not premeditated acts of murder.



I've seen this bullshit excuse and reasoning before and it's pure crap.



Be careful Fash.....this place is in danger of rapidly becoming "Jahdi Watch Part 2".

Renee, I lived in the Islamo shit holes of the Middle East and South Asia long enough to know the difference between crimes of passion and honor killings. I would have preferred France pre 1975 anyday over anything governed by Islamists. I am just pointing out how it influenced middle East nations penal codes. Some of those countries were of course former French colonies.

Understood, I just don't want to perpetuate the myth that the Napoleonic Code excuses or condones so called "honor killings". That's pure bullshit used by the apologists of radical Islam. It's a perversion of history used for a dangerous sociopolitical agenda.



That shit makes my blood boil. It's no different than that bitch Michelle Obama who recently stated that slaves built the Whitehouse. Anyone with a brain knows that's a half truth and an insult to the actual white Irish and Scottish craftsman and stone masons who performed most of the actual construction work. But the left and their cronies in the media will beat on about it, until it becomes ingrained in the minds of the uninformed.

I don't know of the context where she stated that, but weren't Irish people also enslaved during the early years of the Colonies? I could be wrong; it was just something I heard along the way when I was told about how they have been mistreated over time.



edit: Nevermind my last question. According to a quick search, Irish people were never victims of chattel slavery.

QuoteDid slaves build the White House?



The decision to place the capital on land ceded by two pro-slavery states-Virginia and Maryland-ultimately influenced the acquisition of laborers to construct its public buildings. The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African Americans—both enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings.



Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government's quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President's House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations.



//https://www.whitehousehistory.org/questions/did-slaves-build-the-white-house

QuoteThe Whitewashed House



Jesse Holland, a reporter, researcher, and author of the book The Invisibles: The Untold Story of African American Slaves in the White House, said that his own research indicated that at least two-thirds of laborers who worked on the U.S. Capitol building (and by extension, the White House) were slaves:



Through research, we've been able to determine that just about 400 of the more than 600 people who worked on the construction of the Capitol were African American slaves. Maybe another fifty or so were African American freedmen. These are people who had their papers to signify that they were free. So the entire building, the center of democracy in the United States, was created by African American slaves.



"A lot of people don't think about it, but the White House is a mansion in a southern area," Holland told us:



Not only the construction as far as building the wall. They not only quarried the clay used for the bricks, they dug the foundation ... and they also were used on the interior work of the White House.



Slaves were used in the construction of just about everything, including mansions and other government buildings, and they were used in the construction of the White House as well.



//http://www.snopes.com/was-the-white-house-built-by-slaves/

Quote from: "Fashionista"Good morning Renee..

 ac_hithere

It's a holiday today in Alberta and most other provinces.

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Quote from: "Fashionista"Good morning Renee..

 ac_hithere

It's a holiday today in Alberta and most other provinces.

Please excuse my ignorance, I forgot it was your "Civic Holiday".



Sorry. I hope you and everyone are enjoying yourselves.

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Quote from: "Fashionista"Good morning Renee..

 ac_hithere

It's a holiday today in Alberta and most other provinces.

Please excuse my ignorance, I forgot it was your "Civic Holiday".



Sorry. I hope you and everyone are enjoying yourselves.

No holiday today in the USA Renee?



No stat day to remember past wars or dead presidents?

 :laugh:

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Quote from: "Fashionista"Good morning Renee..

 ac_hithere

It's a holiday today in Alberta and most other provinces.

Please excuse my ignorance, I forgot it was your "Civic Holiday".



Sorry. I hope you and everyone are enjoying yourselves.

No holiday today in the USA Renee?



No stat day to remember past wars or dead presidents?

 :laugh:

That's our Memorial Day. It was in May.

Quote from: "Renee"Truth is no one really knows how many slaves were used as the records of who did what are woefully incomplete. Most of what we know is conjecture and speculation. Of course Romero would consider the work of a biased source the gospel according to Saint Prog.



The US government at the time had outlawed direct conscription of slave labor for government projects but independent contractors were free to use whatever labor source they wished.



No one is denying that slave labor was used. It's the inflammatory rhetoric claiming that slaves built the Whitehouse while excluding and ignoring the free craftsman, stone masons and artisans who contributed just as much to the construction is what is at issue here.



Miss the point much?......again.



BTW, that still doesn't address the fact that the Whitehouse that every president since James Monroe has  lived in, is not the original Whitehouse. Only a partial shell is original. Aside from the fire of 1814 and it's subsequent rebuilding by 1817, the Whitehouse has gone through enormous changes without the use of slave labor. In 1902 Theodore Roosevelt added the West Wing, in the 1920s a third floor was added and in the 1930s the East Wing was added.



In 1945 during the Truman Admin, due to age and neglect, the The Whitehouse had become unsafe to live in. The ENTIRE building was gutted right down to the bare exterior walls and rebuilt. Two additional basement levels were also added which means the foundation isn't even 100% original anymore.



So it's pretty obvious that only a fraction of the standing building that Michelle Obama now occupies was built by slave labor.

Quote from: "Renee"Truth is no one really knows how many slaves were used as the records of who did what are woefully incomplete. Most of what we know is conjecture and speculation. Of course Romero would consider the work of a biased source the gospel according to Saint Prog.



The US government at the time had outlawed direct conscription of slave labor for government projects but independent contractors were free to use whatever labor source they wished.



No one is denying that slave labor was used. It's the inflammatory rhetoric claiming that slaves built the Whitehouse while excluding and ignoring the free craftsman, stone masons and artisans who contributed just as much to the construction is what is at issue here.



Miss the point much?......again.



BTW, that still doesn't address the fact that the Whitehouse that every president since James Monroe has  lived in, is not the original Whitehouse. Only a partial shell is original. Aside from the fire of 1814 and it's subsequent rebuilding by 1817, the Whitehouse has gone through enormous changes without the use of slave labor. In 1902 Theodore Roosevelt added the West Wing, in the 1920s a third floor was added and in the 1930s the East Wing was added.



In 1945 during the Truman Admin, due to age and neglect, the The Whitehouse had become unsafe to live in. The ENTIRE building was gutted right down to the bare exterior walls and rebuilt. Two additional basement levels were also added which means the foundation isn't even 100% original anymore.



So it's pretty obvious that only a fraction of the standing building that Michelle Obama now occupies was built by slave labor.

Quote from: "Herman"I know slave and free black labor was used to build the white house. But, what is wrong with acknowledging that Irish, Scottish and European immigrants built it too.

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"God Damned on top of all of your special social skills. You happen to be a racist too. Sounds like your family taught you well. Your man Trump hasn't got a chance in hell. Something you can't defend. Unless of course your plain stupid?

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"God Damned on top of all of your special social skills. You happen to be a racist too. Sounds like your family taught you well. Your man Trump hasn't got a chance in hell. Something you can't defend. Unless of course your plain stupid?

Another ridiculous assumption because you did not comprehend a word Renee wrote.

 :001_rolleyes:

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"God Damned on top of all of your special social skills. You happen to be a racist too. Sounds like your family taught you well. Your man Trump hasn't got a chance in hell. Something you can't defend. Unless of course your plain stupid?

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"God Damned on top of all of your special social skills. You happen to be a racist too. Sounds like your family taught you well. Your man Trump hasn't got a chance in hell. Something you can't defend. Unless of course your plain stupid?

Quote from: "Renee"In almost every social or technological advancement in western history, the actions of white people have been the catalyst. Whether it be the thirst for knowledge, economics, or the need for expansion, whites have been on the forefront of western history. Without the white race, the western world as we know it, would not exist. Only a fool would deny that.

Quote from: "Renee"The ironic thing is most blacks in the urban centers of the US don't vote, unless of course the local democratic political machine coerces them with free rides to the polling centers.....and packs of cigarettes and promises of bigger welfare checks.



What surprises me is that certain people still refuse to admit that there is a cultural issue in the black community that helps to perpetuate illiteracy.



70% of the prison inmates in the US are black. I wonder what racial demographic makes up the bulk of the illiterate inmates.



This is the future of the black community so if you think its bad now, just wait a few more years, it's going to only get worse.

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"God Damned on top of all of your special social skills. You happen to be a racist too. Sounds like your family taught you well. Your man Trump hasn't got a chance in hell. Something you can't defend. Unless of course your plain stupid?

 :001_rolleyes: Priceless.



That's that Sacramento Community College special edumacation coming through again. :laugh3:



How much of mommy and daddy's money went to the individual who took your SAT exams for you?

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"God Damned on top of all of your special social skills. You happen to be a racist too. Sounds like your family taught you well. Your man Trump hasn't got a chance in hell. Something you can't defend. Unless of course your plain stupid?

 :001_rolleyes: Priceless.



That's that Sacramento Community College special edumacation coming through again. :laugh3:



How much of mommy and daddy's money went to the individual who took your SAT exams for you?

Let me set you straight once again slim.



Sacramento State University.

Re. My $$$$. I had a sucessful business in No. Cal. Sold it for a fortune. Within one year the fools went bankrupt. I got it all back again. This is truth fatso, no assumption. How many times did you and hubby file for it. It's a question. Keep whacking away at it. Not gonna make you any slimmer.

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"$$$$$ matters the rest is bullshit. Ashame you'll never know

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"$$$$$ matters the rest is bullshit. Ashame you'll never know

Okay, there's the Jew I've been looking for  :laugh3:



You're so fucking stupid I was afraid you were confused about your family background. I was thinking that no way someone this dumb could be Jewish.  :laugh3: But you just confirmed it.



Only "money matters"...."the rest is bullshit"...... ac_umm

I guess that's why you live alone in some third world shithole with a cat and a surfboard as your only friends or family.



Sad, incredibly stupid and short sighted, little, man. :nea:

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"$$$$$ matters the rest is bullshit. Ashame you'll never know

Okay, there's the Jew I've been looking for  :laugh3:



You're so fucking stupid I was afraid you were confused about your family background. I was thinking that no way someone this dumb could be Jewish.  :laugh3: But you just confirmed it.



Only "money matters"...."the rest is bullshit"...... ac_umm

I guess that's why you live alone in some third world shithole with a cat and a surfboard as your only friends or family.



Sad, incredibly stupid and short sighted, little, man. :nea:

Don't you dare go badmouthing money Renee. However, his case money really couldn't buy happiness(or a brain).

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"$$$$$ matters the rest is bullshit. Ashame you'll never know

Okay, there's the Jew I've been looking for  :laugh3:



You're so fucking stupid I was afraid you were confused about your family background. I was thinking that no way someone this dumb could be Jewish.  :laugh3: But you just confirmed it.



Only "money matters"...."the rest is bullshit"...... ac_umm

I guess that's why you live alone in some third world shithole with a cat and a surfboard as your only friends or family.



Sad, incredibly stupid and short sighted, little, man. :nea:

Don't you dare go badmouthing money Renee. However, his case money really couldn't buy happiness(or a brain).

Hey, if he thinks living alone in a moldy, insect infested condo in some third world, jungle backwater is the shit, who are we to judge?......different strokes.....



But if he dies...I wonder how long it will take for someone to notice. When he starts to smell?.....Will his neighbors even notice the odor or care?.....oh well, not my problem....everything else is bullshit...... :laugh3:

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"$$$$$ matters the rest is bullshit. Ashame you'll never know

Okay, there's the Jew I've been looking for  :laugh3:



You're so fucking stupid I was afraid you were confused about your family background. I was thinking that no way someone this dumb could be Jewish.  :laugh3: But you just confirmed it.



Only "money matters"...."the rest is bullshit"...... ac_umm

I guess that's why you live alone in some third world shithole with a cat and a surfboard as your only friends or family.



Sad, incredibly stupid and short sighted, little, man. :nea:

Don't you dare go badmouthing money Renee. However, his case money really couldn't buy happiness(or a brain).

Hey, if he thinks living alone in a moldy, insect infested condo in some third world, jungle backwater is the shit, who are we to judge?......different strokes.....



But if he dies...I wonder how long it will take for someone to notice. When he starts to smell?.....Will his neighbors even notice the odor or care?.....oh well, not my problem....everything else is bullshit...... :laugh3:

Fash needs to note the assumptions above. I think I'm getting to her. Bet she's gained ten pounds this week alone.

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"$$$$$ matters the rest is bullshit. Ashame you'll never know

Okay, there's the Jew I've been looking for  :laugh3:



You're so fucking stupid I was afraid you were confused about your family background. I was thinking that no way someone this dumb could be Jewish.  :laugh3: But you just confirmed it.



Only "money matters"...."the rest is bullshit"...... ac_umm

I guess that's why you live alone in some third world shithole with a cat and a surfboard as your only friends or family.



Sad, incredibly stupid and short sighted, little, man. :nea:

Don't you dare go badmouthing money Renee. However, his case money really couldn't buy happiness(or a brain).

Hey, if he thinks living alone in a moldy, insect infested condo in some third world, jungle backwater is the shit, who are we to judge?......different strokes.....



But if he dies...I wonder how long it will take for someone to notice. When he starts to smell?.....Will his neighbors even notice the odor or care?.....oh well, not my problem....everything else is bullshit...... :laugh3:

Fash needs to note the assumptions above. I think I'm getting to her. Bet she's gained ten pounds this week alone.

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Can you write a sentence without it being an assumption?

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Can you write a sentence without it being an assumption?

If you can't why are you so concerned about others?

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Can you write a sentence without it being an assumption?

If you can't why are you so concerned about others?

Your sentence doesn't make sense?

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Can you write a sentence without it being an assumption?

If you can't why are you so concerned about others?

Your sentence doesn't make sense?

Ok...let's try it like this.

If you, Twenty Dollars, can't write a sentence without it being an assumption, why are you concerned about the others you are accusing of writing a sentence without it being an assumption?



Not sure I can break it down any clearer. However let me know and I will see if I can somehow dumb it down even more.

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Can you write a sentence without it being an assumption?

If you can't why are you so concerned about others?

Your sentence doesn't make sense?

Ok...let's try it like this.

If you, Twenty Dollars, can't write a sentence without it being an assumption, why are you concerned about the others you are accusing of writing a sentence without it being an assumption?



Not sure I can break it down any clearer. However let me know and I will see if I can somehow dumb it down even more.

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Can you write a sentence without it being an assumption?

If you can't why are you so concerned about others?

Your sentence doesn't make sense?

Ok...let's try it like this.

If you, Twenty Dollars, can't write a sentence without it being an assumption, why are you concerned about the others you are accusing of writing a sentence without it being an assumption?



Not sure I can break it down any clearer. However let me know and I will see if I can somehow dumb it down even more.

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Can you write a sentence without it being an assumption?

If you can't why are you so concerned about others?

Your sentence doesn't make sense?

Ok...let's try it like this.

If you, Twenty Dollars, can't write a sentence without it being an assumption, why are you concerned about the others you are accusing of writing a sentence without it being an assumption?



Not sure I can break it down any clearer. However let me know and I will see if I can somehow dumb it down even more.

It

Who is doing the assuming? Show me  a post where I assume something? Double Cheese Burgers are fattening. Would this be an assumption?  Telling you your gut hangs over your belt. Would this be an assumption? Telling me my $$$ can from my mother. Another assumption? What about the assumption regarding that I live in some 3rd world ghetto. More assumptions. You folks don't know shit  about me, yet the stupid assumptions keep coming.