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Title: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 07, 2012, 05:25:53 PM
A grab-bag of miscellany from soup to nutz. Hope this will become a great thread for all.

Post away ACF's...
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2012, 05:31:30 PM
Quote from: "Securious"A grab-bag of miscellany from soup to nutz. Hope this will become a great thread for all.

Post away ACF's...

Alberta Curling Federation's?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 07, 2012, 05:45:13 PM
ha ha ha
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 07, 2012, 06:00:43 PM
I am going to receive guests for Thanksgiving so I wont be posting for a bit so later folks.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 07, 2012, 07:01:52 PM
what the hell does China BOXED mean.....all i know is i love visiting china and spending time there...but i wouldn't start a business there for all the rice in china....no matter what anyone says there is still no real rule of law.....the result the government wants is the result you end up with...end of story. Western money invests there at it's peril.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Rambo Wong on October 07, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
And you are the nutcase twirlybrain Securious/Gary Oak/ConanDoyle/Chris Patton/Doc Watson who believe in the wacko conspiracy theory involving the Jesuit/Vatican/Chinese/New World Order that no one in their right minds believe in
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 08, 2012, 02:18:00 AM
China is moving out of its regions and colonizing South America,  Central America,Africa,Central Asia parts of the US, Canada, Australia etc. I came upon this article awhile ago and wanted to share it with you all. China is using all kinds of ruses to gain political influence Indonesia as an example where it basically controls banking, politics and their economy there. Note the notorious Riady [Chinese family] rule. This same group..The Lippo Group, beholden to Beijing, controls their ship. They've entered Canada under the name Property development group, check their CV on line, a Lawrence Rank, principle [top of the page, his start]. Look at their achievements so far in BC for example. Our politicians are as c rooked as hell to let these criminals in as putting Canada up for sale for a Communist Totalitarian State, our enemy, China.



A method of influence as stated before are the Confucius Institutes:



http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-regime-courts-africa-with-confucius-institutes-and-scholarships-299558-print.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 08, 2012, 02:19:54 AM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"what the hell does China BOXED mean.....all i know is i love visiting china and spending time there...but i wouldn't start a business there for all the rice in china....no matter what anyone says there is still no real rule of law.....the result the government wants is the result you end up with...end of story. Western money invests there at it's peril.


I'll post it again,

A grab-bag of miscellany from soup to nutz.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 08, 2012, 12:11:42 PM
http://beforeitsnews.com/china/2012/10/diaoyu-islands-demonstrator-severally-injured-japanese-car-owner-caught-by-police-2443666.html



Seems people gawk but wont help this Japanese couple caught up in this terrible incident..

I came across a similar incident last year in an article where people gawked and did nothing while a little boy was savagely beaten because he was Uighur. I'll look for it
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 08, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTTABbK4rjg&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26frm%3D1%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D3%26ved%3D0CDYQFjAC%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DgTTABbK4rjg%26ei%3DjfxyULObDMjziQLfxIDoAQ%26usg%3DAFQjCNFHfXLZlVRpjPtgSqFdWNBfXj9NVQ%26sig2%3DIBHZzZ-jTcb5qda4nz_klw&has_verified=1
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 08, 2012, 03:07:41 PM
now why isnt Canada taking these steps..







Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 08, 2012, 05:42:00 PM
[size=200]China's Economy Doesnt Rise Anymore [/size]

http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCABRE88901C20121008



is Canada headed for trouble...? We've placed all our goodies in one basket
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 08, 2012, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"
That's what I've been hearing Securious. The slow down is even faster than what zhonnanhai predicted. What effet will this have on CCP Standing Committee plans for this year? I just don't know.


 China isnt the [rising] star that it claimed it would be:

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1268173--world-bank-warns-china-slowdown-could-worsen
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 10, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/bc2035/Chinese+nationals+brought+work+coal+mines/7365764/story.html



   Here is a prime example of why Chinese refer to Canadians as being stupid . When we do things like this then I have wonder if they aren't correct. Don't we have advisors who understand China and chinese people at all ? We do not allow any former KGB agents to immigrate but are they so stupid to believe that this Naishun Liu hasn't met with Chinas SSB and isn't working with them. Do they not even know that it is a very safe bet that this Naishun Liu has sworn to aid Chinese people and China in taking over this nation ala FAN QING FU MING ? He is certainly a tong member
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 10, 2012, 12:36:41 PM


 

Colin Freeze



The Globe and Mail



Published Tuesday, Oct. 09 2012, 1]




One of Canada's former top spies says that the damage done by economic espionage is now on par with the threat posed by al-Qaeda and other radical groups.



"It has become equal to the threat of terrorism. Why? It has such long-term repercussions. The future prosperity of Canadians," says Ray Boisvert, who had served as the assistant director of intelligence for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service until his retirement six months ago.



More Related to this Story

•China rejects U.S. accusations against telecoms firms



•Chinese telecoms pose security threat, U.S. investigators warn



•U.S. lawmaker warns against doing business with China's Huawei

   

Telecom

Video: U.S. report slams China's Huawei, ZTE



Mr. Boisvert made his remarks to The Globe and Mail after Washington released a scathing report about the cyberespionage threat posed by China's Huawei Technologies Co.



The expanding telcom giant simply "cannot be trusted to be free of foreign state influence," according to the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.



The report suggested Huawei and the billions of dollars worth of Internet-infrastructure equipment that it sells could facilitate "the ongoing onslaught of sophisticated computer network intrusions that originate in China."



Citing classified and unclassified intelligence, the lawmakers – versed in Washington's own clandestine hacking efforts – recommended that Huawei be kept far away from contracts to install sensitive U.S. government systems. Their fear? Chinese spies could prevail on Huawei to install backdoors that would allow for sneak peeks at propriety data – or worse, allow them to mess with U.S. infrastructure.



Huawei remains opaque about its ongoing ties to the one-party Communist state that nurtured it. So much so that the House intelligence committee is also telling private companies to give Huawei a wide berth.



The multibillion-dollar company counters that American fears are based purely on rumour and innuendo. Yet Australia and Great Britain, too, have also taken precautions to ensure their own networks are free of prying eyes where Huawei equipment is involved.



Such arrangements now threaten to leave Canada as the odd man out in the decades-old intelligence fraternity of major English-speaking powers – the only partner that hasn't yet publicly grappled with the significance of selling its data pipelines to a multinational often seen to be aligned with a rival power.



How significant is this Huawei issue from Canada? Here, Mr. Boisvert, who left CSIS to start a risk-management consultancy known as I-Sec Integrated Strategies, reflects on how Ottawa has been grappling with the issue.



The Globe and Mail: The U.S. seems to be very proactive about the Huawei issue.



Ray Boisvert: In this country, it's a lot more about doing business – Canada is a trading nation, we're small, and we need to take greater risks.



When it comes down to the U.S. polity versus ours, there's a lot more weight placed on security requirements.



There's a made-in-U.S.A. factor, too, that can't be ignored. In the U.S., there are a lot of telecommunications suppliers that could supplant Huawei's deliverables.



Well, we used to have a pretty good telecom equipment company in Canada. A lot of people suggest Huawei ate – or stole – Nortel's lunch ...



There was a bunch of stuff going on – a bunch of poor decisions were made. The Year 2000 high-tech collapse that played against Nortel.



But there have been enough stories including the head of IT [information technology] at Nortel who said that "We got done by cyber-attacks."



And at the same time Huawei rose, Nortel fell. Coincidence? I don't think so.



(Read more on possible cyber attacks against Nortel)



How well equipped is the Canadian government to address espionage?



At the end of the day, we've all been focused on the post-9/11 environment. The single most important threat has been the threat of terrorism.



That has distracted us from a very important national security threat that all of us in the business are very conscious of.



Espionage in the 21st Century is not spy-versus-spy but it's really about gaining strategic economic advantage, globally. That means agencies facilitating the companies to gain strategic advantage to dominate economically.



In my view, it has become equal to the threat of terrorism. Why? It has such long term repercussions. The future prosperity of Canadians.



What should Canadian lawmakers think about U.S. counterparts sounding the alarm about Huawei?



It comes down to: Is our policy attuned at the right level?



There's a two-part decision. One – Huawei, do you accept them as a legitimate player in the marketplace? If the answer to that is yes, then you are really hard-pressed not to allow them to compete for contracts in the private sector.



The second part is, are they a security threat? If they are should they be able to bid on shared [critical government] infrastructure?



It's one thing to lay down the backbone of a really large set of pipes. If you had some malware embedded in the coding of the system, you're fishing in a pond that's billions and billions of litres deep.



Versus, if you're sitting on a specific network where right away the fishing is pretty clear – you're in a small pond of a hundred litres. It's easier to identify which one of those data packages, which fish you want to spear.



But aren't people getting a lot better at sifting the important stuff out of torrents and torrents of data?



There are limits.



If you're asking me "Would you let them install hardware into the main telecommunications networks?," my answer would be "Yeah you could, but you really want to put in a lot of checks and balances – initial verification of the code, and ongoing auditing of all of the mechanisms that Huawei would implement."



Does this inform the Nexen Inc. takeover debate? Or are oil and telecom two different kettles of fish?



It's not the same national-security concern. It's one thing to look at the fact that here's a huge investment in a strategic resource – oil – and ask "Is this in Canada's best interest?"



But the Huawei one is very greatly debated. I think there is a preponderance of legitimate evidence, there is enough layman and specialist understanding, that an organization like Huawei could take incredible advantage of owning the network that all of your communications are crossing.



Have the security implications of Huawei been discussed in places like the Langevin Block? 24 Sussex? Your old shop at Blair and Ogilvie?



I'll just say that I know, when I was at CSIS, these issues were raised. Whether they have an audience or not, I'll leave that for others to comment on.



Canada has taken a look at those issues when the larger telecommunications companies [Telus, Bell, Rogers] wanted to buy Huawei equipment.



The role of CSIS is to give advice to Industry Canada.



So Industry Canada plays the middle man role – in terms of responding to concerns that industry may have [to government] or bringing those concerns the security community may have to industry.



Isn't there always a tension between the security guys and the "Do Business" guys? Does it make any sense to put the cybersecurity issue within the "Do Business" Ministry?



There is certainly a tension. It's a tension that an organization like CSIS is fully aware of.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 10, 2012, 01:02:12 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"http://www.vancouversun.com/business/bc2035/Chinese+nationals+brought+work+coal+mines/7365764/story.html



   Here is a prime example of why Chinese refer to Canadians as being stupid . When we do things like this then I have wonder if they aren't correct. Don't we have advisors who understand China and chinese people at all ? We do not allow any former KGB agents to immigrate but are they so stupid to believe that this Naishun Liu hasn't met with Chinas SSB and isn't working with them. Do they not even know that it is a very safe bet that this Naishun Liu has sworn to aid Chinese people and China in taking over this nation ala FAN QING FU MING ? He is certainly a tong member

QuoteThe first of a group of 200 temporary Chinese workers approved by the federal government will start arriving in B.C. in coming weeks to work in the burgeoning northeast coal industry, a mine project spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday.



In total, anywhere from 1,600 to just under 2,000 Chinese nationals could find full-time work in four projects being proposed in coming years for the region, due to the shortage of underground mining skills in Canada, according to industry officials.

"Approved by the federal government". Harper and the Conservatives. You and Securious voted for this.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 10, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 10, 2012, 02:01:50 PM
One story of particular interest to me was the silencing of CSIS Directorship regarding China. Richard Fadden [decent man that he is] was given a rough time for even mentioning China involvement. Just how deep a foothold has this China Trojan Horse [so-called,Trade] succeeded? It remains the perennial question for Canadians as a poll was conducted shortly afterwords to find out their reactions. Well guess what! Canadians like to know more, nay, demand they be given en more and thought the treatment of Fadden was outrageously wrong.

Our nation has been seroiusly compromised by the Middle Kingdom's evil dragon, Communism. Literally 1000's of Chinese spies run rampant without national concern at the highest seat of government.



Fadden was silenced just the same way the Sidewinder Reoprt was.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/spies-canada/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 10, 2012, 11:13:36 PM
How is it that our leaders like Vanderzalm and Christy Clarke are always so ultimately sleazy and stupid ! Can't BC actually have a leader who actually  gives  a dam about this province and nation ?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2012, 12:17:06 AM
Conan Doyle is a racist cracker.



He is still posting lies about Chinese people.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 11, 2012, 12:25:11 AM
You CJ Canadiscam are a racist gimpanzee
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2012, 12:27:12 AM
I am not CJ Gary Joke
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 11, 2012, 04:26:09 AM
Obvious Li the west needs to take the threat of espionage from china more seriously......trade should be a quid pro quo affair..... i give you mine and you give me yours......it seems when you deal with china it is, i give you mine but they give you theirs with conditions.......not sure why we would do that.....surely there are enough countries around the world with which free and fair trade can occur....and we can just got to china for the food and the women.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 11, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Obvious Li the west needs to take the threat of espionage from china more seriously......trade should be a quid pro quo affair..... i give you mine and you give me yours......it seems when you deal with china it is, i give you mine but they give you theirs with conditions.......not sure why we would do that.....surely there are enough countries around the world with which free and fair trade can occur....and we can just got to china for the food and the women.

In theory I have no problem with foreign investors in our resource sector. However, there is no chance of reciprocity especially with the Nexxen deal.




How about this..Chinese workers taking Canadian jobs in the resource sector. The very thing I warned about 2 years ago and everyone thought I was crazy. Here we are today and the very thing thats happened around the world is now here in Canada . Notice they actually want complete cities for themselves like in the States. This will come to.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/10/10/bc-mining-temporary-workers.html



The previous premier, Campbell was preparing the way for them just like Crusty [Crustacean] Clark is now.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 11, 2012, 11:54:57 AM
complete cities Shen
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 11, 2012, 12:00:58 PM
NEXEN Still In The Offing

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/ottawa-extends-review-of-cnoocs-nexen-bid/article4604093/



the Feds are playing cat and mouse w/the public, over this issue it seems
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Rambo Wong on October 11, 2012, 02:20:59 PM
You see, even Canadian banks think that China should be allowed to invest money in Canada





..Ex-central banker says Canada should approve CNOOC bid for Nexen

By Louise Egan | Reuters

....OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada should allow China's state-owned CNOOC Ltd to buy Canadian oil company Nexen Inc, a former central bank chief said on Wednesday, brushing aside arguments that oil is a "strategic" resource off-limits to foreigners.



David Dodge, who was Bank of Canada Governor from 2001 to 2008, listed some factors to consider when reviewing the $15.1 billion bid, including the country's need for foreign financing and the hefty premium CNOOC is willing to pay for the asset.



"How can that not be in our interest?" Dodge said to reporters after delivering a speech in Ottawa.



Dodge is now a senior adviser at law firm Bennett Jones LLP and a respected commentator on public policy issues.



Under Canada's foreign investment law, the industry minister must review the proposed acquisition to determine whether it is a "net benefit" to the country.



The Nexen bid has raised hackles among some members of Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper's cabinet and the main opposition New Democratic Party is opposed to the deal. Critics worry about letting the state-owned Chinese firm extend its foothold in the oil patch, and some have cited national security concerns.



Dodge pointed out that most of Nexen's assets were outside Canada, that CNOOC already owns a minority stake in the company's Long Lake facility in northern Alberta, and that the government has shown no concern about other state-owned companies already operating in the oil sector.



"So do we automatically say that state-owned firms shouldn't be in? We have (Norwegian oil and gas firm) Statoil in; it's a state-owned firm," he said.



"I can't help but think this is more anti-Chinese than it is anything else because there's every reason to allow this one to go through."



He dismissed as "the stupidest thing" the notion put forth by some that oil is a "strategic" resource that should remain in Canadian hands.



"In some ways, ironically, in mines and woodlands, they can't be moved. The real asset is there. You've got control over that asset, you have an infinite number of regulatory tools," he said.



"The oil in the ground is owned by the people of Alberta. It's a question of who we're going to license to take it out."



($1=$0.98 Canadian)



(Reporting by Louise Egan; Editing by Eric Walsh)



...
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 11, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
Let the record show that Gary Oak thinks China should be allowed to invest money in Canada.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 11, 2012, 04:33:58 PM
QuoteChairman Harper and the Chinese Sell-Out

by Andrew Nikiforuk



By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves. And you can thank Prime Minister Stephen Harper for this economic treason.



The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.



That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company.



Both the trade deal and Nexen sell-off prove that no one betrays Canadian interests better than a right-wing prime minister beholden to the interests of Big Oil and the myths of free trade.



"Chairman Harper" (and that's what members of his own party are calling him) crafted an Omnibus Bill last spring that cancelled federal science programs, gutted critical environmental legislation, made it easier to pollute water, centralized federal power, diminished protection for endangered species and attacked environmental groups. The bill not only makes it easier to build Northern Gateway but to serve some of least transparent and most corrupt corporations in China: Sinopec and CNOOC.



But Harper's Omnibus Bill, which declared Canada's formal entry into the ranks of dysfunctional petro states, was but window dressing for the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Act (FIPPA). It's the most significant trade deal since NAFTA but you won't read much about it in the national press. Given its deplorable content Harper appropriately inked the massive give-away in Vladivostok last month and then quietly tabled the deal in Ottawa without so much as a press release.



Osgoode law professor Gus Van Harten, an expert on such international doings, quickly found out why. After reading the brief document, he declared it a travesty and a formidable assault on Canada's democratic traditions. For starters the deal gives Chinese investors more rights and protections than Canadian entrepreneurs could ever win in China's incredibly corrupt markets.



Moreover the deal "allows Chinese companies to sue Canada outside of Canadian courts. Remarkably, the lawsuits can proceed behind closed doors. This shift to secrecy reverses a longstanding policy of the Canadian government."



Appallingly, the treaty would give Sinopec, one of the big Chinese backers of the Northern Gateway pipeline, the right to sue the government of British Columbia if it blocks the project. Sinopec could also demand that only Chinese labour and materials be used on the pipeline. Moreover the treaty gives Chinese state owned companies "the right to full protection and security from public opposition."



The agreement, like all bad deals, comes wrapped in totalitarian paper. The deal does not require provincial consent. It comes without any risk-benefit analysis. And it can be ratified into law without parliamentary debate. The more Harper wants to do business with China, the more he acts like another tank in Tiananmen Square. Barring a revolt within Harper's own party, the trade deal automatically becomes law on Nov. 1.



//http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/10/11/Chairman-Harper/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 11, 2012, 07:02:32 PM
the Nexen deal must be allowed to proceed.....there are little or no legal impediments to justify stopping it. However, sufficient safeguards must be out in place whenever any SOE decides to invest in any sector of a foreign economy.....it just makes common sense....so yes, China c'mon invest in canada, mine for oil but here are the rules you must live by....if you cannot abide by these rules then see you round the way
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 11, 2012, 10:44:26 PM
They will be doing whatever they can get away with though. This Naishun Liu who owns the mine and is recruiting Chinese workers for 30$ an hour jobs because Canadians don't have the experience tio use a jackhammer correctly is a tong member whose tongs oaths swear to FAN QING FU MING which is explained in the oaths and rituals thread. They will be arranging marriages to get in more Chinese. When chinese are trying to take over one of the many tactics they use is to get as many of ther population in that they can.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: "Asshole"You see, even Canadian banks think that China should be allowed to invest money in Canada





..Ex-central banker says Canada should approve CNOOC bid for Nexen

By Louise Egan | Reuters

....OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada should allow China's state-owned CNOOC Ltd to buy Canadian oil company Nexen Inc, a former central bank chief said on Wednesday, brushing aside arguments that oil is a "strategic" resource off-limits to foreigners.



David Dodge, who was Bank of Canada Governor from 2001 to 2008, listed some factors to consider when reviewing the $15.1 billion bid, including the country's need for foreign financing and the hefty premium CNOOC is willing to pay for the asset.



"How can that not be in our interest?" Dodge said to reporters after delivering a speech in Ottawa.



Dodge is now a senior adviser at law firm Bennett Jones LLP and a respected commentator on public policy issues.



Under Canada's foreign investment law, the industry minister must review the proposed acquisition to determine whether it is a "net benefit" to the country.



The Nexen bid has raised hackles among some members of Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper's cabinet and the main opposition New Democratic Party is opposed to the deal. Critics worry about letting the state-owned Chinese firm extend its foothold in the oil patch, and some have cited national security concerns.



Dodge pointed out that most of Nexen's assets were outside Canada, that CNOOC already owns a minority stake in the company's Long Lake facility in northern Alberta, and that the government has shown no concern about other state-owned companies already operating in the oil sector.



"So do we automatically say that state-owned firms shouldn't be in? We have (Norwegian oil and gas firm) Statoil in; it's a state-owned firm," he said.



"I can't help but think this is more anti-Chinese than it is anything else because there's every reason to allow this one to go through."



He dismissed as "the stupidest thing" the notion put forth by some that oil is a "strategic" resource that should remain in Canadian hands.



"In some ways, ironically, in mines and woodlands, they can't be moved. The real asset is there. You've got control over that asset, you have an infinite number of regulatory tools," he said.



"The oil in the ground is owned by the people of Alberta. It's a question of who we're going to license to take it out."



($1=$0.98 Canadian)



(Reporting by Louise Egan; Editing by Eric Walsh)



...


Both Dodge and the present bod Carnal are singing the praises, blowin smoke up are collective posteriors about China.They see no wrong with the notion on Chinese Investment holus bolus. Should we trust these central Bankers? Ummmm, wet finger goes into air...looks around,scratches head. Who's running them one wonders as its simply madness to let China in. No Way Hosea'.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 10:35:37 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"They will be doing whatever they can get away with though. This Naishun Liu who owns the mine and is recruiting Chinese workers for 30$ an hour jobs because Canadians don't have the experience tio use a jackhammer correctly is a tong member whose tongs oaths swear to FAN QING FU MING which is explained in the oaths and rituals thread. They will be arranging marriages to get in more Chinese. When chinese are trying to take over one of the many tactics they use is to get as many of ther population in that they can.


cities
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 10:36:29 AM
Quote from: "Formosan"China can never be trusted.



Canada's resources should not be controlled by them.

All we have! So why sell the farm!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 11:33:35 AM
[size=200]CSIS Warns Of [Asian] er..Chinese Takeovers[/size]



http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1260203--spy-agency-warns-of-espionage-risk-with-foreign-takeovers
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 11:41:21 AM
[size=200] Pierre Trudeau's Secret Meetings With [Hero] Chairman Mao[/size]



http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/politics/international-politics/revolution-and-evolution-in-modern-china/trudeau-goes-to-china.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 12:02:11 PM
           How Can China pay?[/b]

 

            In the international trade, imports can finally be paid only by exports. The Chinese money does not circulate out of China. For the foreign goods she imports, China must get foreign money, and she cannot obtain foreign money except by selling her own goods outside. This means that China must export some of her own production for a value equating the value of the foreign goods she imports.



            In an article published in "The Review of the News", Nov. 25, 1970, authored by an American writer, George S. Schuyler, this point is stressed and may help to foresee the consequences of Trudeau's deal with Mao.



            How can China pay for her imports from Canada or from any other country? We quote from Schuyler's article]
Local Collaboration[/b]

 

            In fact, these overstaffed red embassies and consulates are used for other purposes than normal international politic or commercial relations. They harbor a number of specialists in revolution, trained subverters, agitators, spies and agents of other illegal activities. The Gouzenko case in Canada offered a spectacular proof of it.



The Gouzenko case showed also how easily an enemy installed in our midst, under a diplomatic cover could, for money, recruit Canadian cooperators from various careers, even from the Canadian Parliament, to serve his spying organization. It will be even easier to do it for a narcotic enterprise with its allurement of large sums of money to be realized in a short time.





As George Schuyler puts it in reference to the Gouzenko affair:

 

            "There is no reason to suppose that this enlistment of Canadian citizens with the international Communist apparatus was discontinued with the exposure of their game. Nor is there any justification for assuming that the Embassy of the Chinese People's Republic will not operate likewise, using the Canadian crime syndicate through TRIAD to push heroin trade in the United States."



 

           TRIAD and Mao

 

            George Schuyler is justly concerned about the possible extension of the narcotic trade in his country, the United States, which may result from the opening of Canada to Mao's agents. We may be sure that Mao has his eyes keenly opened on the whole of North America. He took avail of all the circumstances to influence the policies of Africa and South America. In the case of North America, the take-over by Communism is worth all that can be put out. Mao, for his part, will select his most able hands for the purpose. He has shown it in the appointment of his first ambassador at Ottawa (See the article from "Twin Circle" reproduced in another page of this issue).

 



            But what is the TRIAD referred to above? Quoting again Schuyler:



            "TRIAD is the Chinese counterpart of the Mafia. Its name means The Society of Heaven, Earth, and Man.



             "TRIAD started as a sacred patriotic group aimed at overthrowing the Manchu Government, and one of its early leaders was Dr. Sun Yat-sen, later first president of China.



            "With the eclipse of this Nationalist Government, the Red machine took over the TRIAD apparatus, which by that time had already become a crime syndicate operating along the whole Pacific littoral, wherever there was a Chinese tong. Upon his triumph, the patriotic President Sun Yat-sen had ordered the dissolution of TRIAD. But, as has so frequently happened in history, it had by then become too lucrative to throw away. It went into smuggling back and forth Chinese laborers and white women. There was also gambling, and anything else that made big money. Coastwise junks and deep-sea fishing boats linked all of Chinese ports with any place having a sizable Chinese colony.



            "Mao Tse-tung now Controls this international apparatus. He not only controls its criminal activities, but uses it as an adjunct to his revolutionary prescriptions which, like those of the Russians, are aimed at demoralizing and thus subjugating he world."



            The present chairman of TRIAD is Mao himself. With the promoted cultivation' of opium, from which profits the Government draws a big share, Mao nets a billion dollars a year. This will doubtless be increased with the new facilities procured by Trudeau's recognition of Red China to the marketing of narcotics derived from that country's opium.



 

            Towards Admission to UNO

 

            The diplomatic recognition of Red China by the Canadian government may be considered as a big step towards the admission of this conscience-less country to the United Nations Organization. This means the discarding of the fine Taiwan Formosan republic, and the enthroning of criminal Red China in the senate of five nations enjoying the privilege of the "Veto" as well' as permanent member of the international Security Council. The Canadian recognition increases considerably the prestige of Communist China and strengthens the communist party about everywhere in the planet. Other nations are encouraged to imitate Canada. Italy has already followed in Canadian footsteps; and the Vatican and Austria are expected to do so.



            Naive commentators may think, say and write that the admission of China to the UNO would contribute to moralize it and help solve the dope problem. There it no foundation for such hope. It is just wishful thinking. The facts show that the admission into the UNO of countries producers of opium, thus Burma or Lebanon, has in no way lessened their plantations of Pappaver Somniferum (the opium poppy).



 

            Youth Victimized

 



            George Schuyler again :

 

            "We have not begun to solve our narcotics problem. On the contrary it has worsened, with sellers of drugs on every campus, and children of the rich and poor "hooked" in every suburb and high school.



            "If we have not been able to stop the traffic across the Atlantic and Pacific, can we be more successful on that across the long border with Canada? Narcotics still get across the Mexican border, though it is open space and well patrolled. The U.S.-Canadian border is four times as long, and it is in many places far more-inaccessible to law officers. Our network of roads is the world's greatest; and once across the Canadian border with briefcase loaded with heroin, a hiker can hire a car anywhere. And there are, after all, plenty of subversives on both sides of the border ready to render a helping hand, with such rich rewards.



            "There is more money to be made from the sale of narcotics than in any other way. The police knows from where it comes, but catching the messengers is something else again. Moreover, distance no longer makes any difference. It is the ruthlessness of the crime apparatus that counts, and when this apparatus is backed by powerful governments, it is almost unbeatable. So the utmost pessimism about the Red Chinese moving in next door to ours is warranted."



             Yes it is, Mr. Schuyler. But the school children and students of the United States will not be the sole victims of the supplement of dope brought to our Continent by the dirty act of Trudeau's government. Between the entry of Red Chinese dope into Canada and its crossing over to the United States, there are schools and universities filled with Canadian youth of varying ages, also offering a prey to sellers of dope. Victims of Trudeau's diplomatic negotiations with Mao will be our own sons and daughters as well as sons and daughters of our neighbours south of us. We'll be made to pay our part of the bill to Mao's communist band of poisoners. And not only in money: there are damages done to souls and bodies that can never be repaired.



Shame on Trudeau, on the "Red-as-a-Beet Trudeau", so termed by the author we have largely quoted.



 

            A Trudeau's accomplishment

 

            Shame on Trudeau, because this is his work, although urged for years before by the marketers of the Canadian grain. Tonnages of our wheat had already been sold at favored terms to feed Mao's starving slaves. But it took the advent of the leftist Trudeau to deliver a certificate of honesty to the bloody dictator.



             The diplomatic recognition of Red China was not, however, an overnight decision. For two years; the two commissions of negociators, Mao's and Trudeau's, had held secret talks in Stockholm, a city favored by communists for official or private encounters with delegations of the free world. In the course of these meetings, trade and money questions, as well as politic relations, must have been largely dealt with. But it is doubtful whether the narcotics subject was as much as mentioned. But even if it was, what matters? Experience shows that declarations and signatures from Communist powers cannot be trusted: they can be turned by them to signify anything suiting their purpose.



            The establishment of an embassy in Burundi, a little republic of Central Africa, gave rise to political troubles causing the murder of the prime minister on the steps of the capitol. This does not mean that the same thing will happen in Canada. But it may well happen that some FLQ or another similar group, supported by Maoist agitation sap and finance, give rise to troubles more difficult to deal with than those of October last (1970). Whatever else may be, one thing leaves- in doubt: the drug problem, both in Canada and in the United States will only be worsened.



            The diplomatic recognition of Red China is a crime. In the history of our country, the term of Trudeau at the head of the federal government will have been baneful — baneful for Canada and baneful for the great republic that only a peaceful frontier of 3,000 miles separates from Canada.



            If Pierre Elliott Trudeau was barred from-the United States as undesirable in 1955, his political attitude towards communist China, now that he leads the government of his country. only confirms the rightness of judgment of those who at that epoch sought to protect their population against his pro-communist (to say the least) propensions and activities. They must now find that the man, in his political ascent, has little or not at all changed.



            How could the electorate of Canada become so enamored of Trudeau as to raise him so rapidly, from a newcomer in politics to the summit function' in the government of their country ? The answer is in the CBC. The television and other brain-washing mass media, so largely in the hands of Masons and Reds, can take any demon and in about no time build him up into a saint.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 01:03:34 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"This is kind of off topic, but what is your opinion of Justin? Do you believe he will be as rigidly ideological as his father or does he have a pragmatic side like say Paul Martin or John Manley?

 Just a tool of the Establishment like his Dad was. PET was as idealogical as he was allowed to be by his masters. Manley is a slimey slug..as for Martini,well...
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 12, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Romero"
QuoteChairman Harper and the Chinese Sell-Out

by Andrew Nikiforuk



By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves. And you can thank Prime Minister Stephen Harper for this economic treason.



The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.



That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company.



Both the trade deal and Nexen sell-off prove that no one betrays Canadian interests better than a right-wing prime minister beholden to the interests of Big Oil and the myths of free trade.



"Chairman Harper" (and that's what members of his own party are calling him) crafted an Omnibus Bill last spring that cancelled federal science programs, gutted critical environmental legislation, made it easier to pollute water, centralized federal power, diminished protection for endangered species and attacked environmental groups. The bill not only makes it easier to build Northern Gateway but to serve some of least transparent and most corrupt corporations in China: Sinopec and CNOOC.



But Harper's Omnibus Bill, which declared Canada's formal entry into the ranks of dysfunctional petro states, was but window dressing for the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Act (FIPPA). It's the most significant trade deal since NAFTA but you won't read much about it in the national press. Given its deplorable content Harper appropriately inked the massive give-away in Vladivostok last month and then quietly tabled the deal in Ottawa without so much as a press release.



Osgoode law professor Gus Van Harten, an expert on such international doings, quickly found out why. After reading the brief document, he declared it a travesty and a formidable assault on Canada's democratic traditions. For starters the deal gives Chinese investors more rights and protections than Canadian entrepreneurs could ever win in China's incredibly corrupt markets.



Moreover the deal "allows Chinese companies to sue Canada outside of Canadian courts. Remarkably, the lawsuits can proceed behind closed doors. This shift to secrecy reverses a longstanding policy of the Canadian government."



Appallingly, the treaty would give Sinopec, one of the big Chinese backers of the Northern Gateway pipeline, the right to sue the government of British Columbia if it blocks the project. Sinopec could also demand that only Chinese labour and materials be used on the pipeline. Moreover the treaty gives Chinese state owned companies "the right to full protection and security from public opposition."



The agreement, like all bad deals, comes wrapped in totalitarian paper. The deal does not require provincial consent. It comes without any risk-benefit analysis. And it can be ratified into law without parliamentary debate. The more Harper wants to do business with China, the more he acts like another tank in Tiananmen Square. Barring a revolt within Harper's own party, the trade deal automatically becomes law on Nov. 1.



//http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/10/11/Chairman-Harper/

Andrew Nikiforuk? That Tides rag The TYEE??  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yep. Good stuff.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 12, 2012, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: "Securious"Just a tool of the Establishment like his Dad was. PET was as idealogical as he was allowed to be by his masters.

Jesuits? Alien overlords from Planet X?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 01:16:17 PM
[size=200]Harper Has international journalists scratching their collective heads..[/size]



Fri 12 Oct 2012



By Joe Penney




DAKAR (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said on Friday that China's "very different" political and economic systems are a concern as his government decides whether to approve CNOOC Ltd's $15.1 billion bid for oil producer Nexen Inc.



The comments were some of the most revealing Harper has made in connection with the landmark CNOOC deal, which has raised fears over Chinese state-owned enterprises buying up Canadian energy assets.



Some members of Canada's governing Conservative Party are wary of the CNOOC bid, in part because of what they say are unfair Chinese business practices.



Harper - speaking to reporters in Dakar, Senegal - said Canada wants a growing relationship with China, but added that Chinese investments must be scrutinized from a national security perspective.



This week Ottawa hinted strongly that it would exclude Chinese telecommunication equipment giant Huawei Technologies Co Ltd from participating in the construction of a secure Canadian government communications network because of security risks.



Harper, asked about Huawei and the CNOOC takeover, began his answer by saying he would not comment on any particular transaction. But in his subsequent remarks he clearly touched upon both cases.



"The relationship with China is important. At the same time it's complex. It's complex because the Chinese obviously have very different systems than we do, economic and political systems, and that's why obviously some of these particular transactions raise concerns," he told reporters in Senegal.



The Conservatives need to balance concerns over security and an increased Chinese presence in Canada with their push to attract more foreign investment for the Canadian resource sector.



Ottawa says the oil and gas industry needs $650 billion ($663 billion) to fund new projects over the next decade alone, and concedes that much of the money will have to come from abroad.

The Canadian government this week extended its review of CNOOC's bid for Nexen by 30 days, to November 11. Earlier it had invoked a national security exemption that would allow it to block Huawei from participation in its new telecoms network.



The extension, while expected, comes amid a growing furor over alleged Chinese espionage in North America. Some Canadians also fear that a successful CNOOC bid for Nexen could spark a wave of mega takeovers of Canadian energy producers by foreign enterprises.



"We will ensure as a government that we have not only a growing relationship with China but a relationship with China that is in Canada's best interests," Harper said.



"And of course ... there's a national security dimension to this relationship, in fact to all our activities, that we take very seriously," he added.



Ottawa says that at about the same time it announces a verdict on the CNOOC bid, it will also unveil clearer guidelines indicating the kind of foreign investment Canada wants.



The oil sands of the Western Canadian province of Alberta are the world's third-largest oil deposit, and Nexen's portfolio includes operations in the oil sands as well as shale assets in the province of British Columbia and projects in other parts of the world.



If approved, the CNOOC bid will be the biggest Chinese takeover of a foreign company. The deal is being reviewed under the Investment Canada Act, which allows the government to examine whether a transaction is of "net benefit" to the country.



The government last blocked a foreign takeover deal in 2010 when it stunned markets by preventing Australia's BHP Billiton Ltd from buying fertilizer maker Potash Corp.



(Reporting by Joe Penney in Dakar and Euan Rocha in Toronto; Writing by Richard Valdmanis and David Ljunggren; Editing by David Lewis, Vicki Allen and Peter Galloway)
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 01:41:45 PM
same folks
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 01:48:16 PM
found this today,





Harper selling out Canada to Chinese interests !!!

by YVR Man » Today, 11:06




Mainpage/MemeBee







Here we go again with so-called Free trade malarky !!!



By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves. And you can thank Prime Minister Stephen Harper for this economic treason.



The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.



That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company.



Both the trade deal and Nexen sell-off prove that no one betrays Canadian interests better than a right-wing prime minister beholden to the interests of Big Oil and the myths of free trade.



Now every literate Canadian recognizes that Harper, the libertarian economist, has been flying kites with pipeline lobbyists funded by China's national oil companies as well as the one-per-centers now ruling China for some time now.



Given that oil consumption in the United States is steadily dropping and that the incompetent petro state of Alberta has flooded the market with bitumen due to bad planning, low royalties and sheer stupidity,



Harper is frantically trying to save his Tory cohorts and their special petroleum interests by peddling bitumen to Asian refiners at any cost.

He's prepared to sell out Canada in the process ! ( another Malrooney wanna be ! ),

This is not what was promoted or discussed by Harper during the last election run ,

Harper has no mandate from Canadians to make this free trade agreement with the Chinese !!!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"same folks

Who?


PowerCorp et all incl/Rocthschilds [BOE] surrogate and Communist tutor/mentor Maurice Strong



Know these influences and thus know the political architecture of Canada vs/the BOE/Rothschild's & Co
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
all our leaders are,Harper perhaps less so
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
well know this, our political system is a contrived and engineered sham
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 02:04:19 PM
way back just before the 60's China was being prepared to enter the world economic arena The US and Canada would play a role.Then it was referred to as the Pacific Rim economy. I was around then to see it emerge.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"way back just before the 60's China was being prepared to enter the world economic arena The US and Canada would play a role.Then it was referred to as the Pacific Rim economy. I was around then to see it emerge.

Preparing for the post-Mao era or they thought they could convince Mao to water down his rigid ideological beliefs?

Yes and No Kissinger,Trudeau, Nixon et al were working on the same platforms then for their masters, even though Nixon hated Trudeau. Pierre had no problem with it as he was taught the benefits of a totalitarian state, a fascist state, from his masters at Brebeauf College, Montreal. Sorry for mispelling name.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
http://www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/government/trudeau.html



Pierre Elliot Trudeau was an alumni at that college as is son. Justin [ooops! more of the same folks] Hope that answers some of your Q's Shen Li.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 02:26:27 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coll%C3%A8ge_Jean-de-Br%C3%A9beuf#Notable_alumni



Look up Justin Trudeau 1980's I believe, at this college while your at it.



I lifted this...



"When Trudeau resigned in the spring of 1984, after almost 16 tumultuous years in power, and moved the family from Ottawa to Montreal it was a massive adjustment. That fall, Justin turned up at College Jean-de-Brébeuf, the same elite private school his father had attended more than 45 years before. He was 13, the son of a public figure who was as much reviled as loved, and on the wrong side of every political argument in a francophone high school. And to cap it off, he insisted on riding a unicycle to school. "You can imagine how that went over," Marc Miller, a friend since Brébeuf days, now a Montreal lawyer and member of his campaign team, says wryly. "But we were a group of oddballs."
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 02:50:11 PM
Justin's Inner Circle [important to note]



http://canadianawareness.org/2012/10/justin-trudeaus-interesting-inner-circle/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 07:53:06 PM
[size=200] Huawei Issues Will Not Go Away!!![/size]



http://www.vancouversun.com/Opinion/Columnists/Jonathan+Manthorpe+Chinese+telecom+giant+Huawei/7376100/story.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 08:05:11 PM


an about face..hmmm



 http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/harper-says-national-security-in-relationship-with-china-is-important-1.993209
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 12, 2012, 08:35:09 PM
If China is such a hostile nation why then do business with your enemy...DUH!



http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Harper+says+Canada+must+weigh+national+security+trade/7380945/story.html



even to ponder it, is mucho stupido
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 12, 2012, 10:18:09 PM
http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2012/10/5/chinese-strawberries-sicken-11200-german-children.html



     If someone in China gets caught for doing something like this it could result in a death sentence as in the melamine scandals. But sending poisoned food to Germany who also is a country that they haven't taken over is a victory for them.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 01:08:50 AM




Canada should heed warnings of 'cyber Pearl Harbor,' security experts say




 By Jordan Press, Postmedia News October 12, 2012  



U.S. Air Force personnel in the Air Force Space Command Network Operations & Security Center on July 20, 2010. (Rick Wilking/Reuters)OTTAWA — The escalating threat of cyber attacks requires a rethink in the government's security priorities, experts and opposition critics said Friday in the wake of a stark warning from the American defense secretary about potentially devastating Internet-based threats.



Leon Panetta warned his own nation Thursday that businesses needed to better protect their own systems, as does government, to prevent a "cyber Pearl Harbor" – a cataclysmic cyber attack that would take down large parts of North American networks and be more devastating than the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.



Panetta's warning comes after concerns raised earlier this week in Canada about potential Chinese spying through state-backed telecommunications firm Huawei, and the country's ability to secure information after Sub.-Lt. Jeffrey Paul Delisle admitted he took secrets from a secure facility using a USB key.



Experts say it isn't merely the loss of information we should worry about, but the threat of hackers turning off our systems altogether, a move that could shut down drinking water services, derail trains or even release toxic chemicals.



"(Cyber security) is really everyone's problem, really everyone who is connected to the Internet," said John Aycock, an expert on malicious software and cyber security who works at the University of Calgary. But, he added, "I think everyone is still struggling with it because computer security is very hard. Our computer systems are very complex."



While the timing of Panetta's speech may be political — the Obama administration is trying to pass a cyber security bill — his call to other countries comes two weeks before Canadians find out how well their government has done on the cyber security front.



On Oct. 23, the auditor general's fall report will disclose the results of an audit on whether the federal government works with provinces, territories and businesses to protect critical infrastructure against cyber attacks.



Panetta said Thursday the Obama administration has made cyber security a top talking point in meetings with American allies.



A spokeswoman for Public Safety Canada said the Canadian government has made changes to the way it manages cyber security breaches and potential threats, referring to the now two-year-old cyber security strategy, although she wouldn't go into details citing security concerns.



"Cyber security is an ongoing responsibility that needs to keep pace with evolving threats.  That's why the government of Canada is continuously working to enhance cyber security in Canada by identifying cyber threats and vulnerabilities, and by preparing for and responding to all types of cyber incidents to better protect Canada and Canadians," department spokeswoman Jessica Slack said in an email.



"The government of Canada recognizes that protecting critical infrastructure from cyber threats is a global issue, and we treat it as such. We're working closely with our partners in the critical infrastructure sector and international allies to ensure we progress together. This is the main focus of the Canadian Cyber Incident Response Centre, which provides advice to owners and operators of vital systems outside of the federal government and coordinates the national response to cyber security incidents."



Hackers have successfully cracked government systems. Earlier this year, a so-called "denial of service" attack took down the parliamentary website. In 2011, foreign-based hackers using servers in China hacked into Treasury Board and Department of Finance systems looking for personal and financial information. Panetta even admitted that hackers have been able to crack American government systems and denial of service attacks have taken down websites for a number of U.S. government agencies, including the FBI.



How well the government does in the cyber security department isn't clear because the Commons defence committee can't receive secret information, said Liberal defence critic John McKay. Only Privy Council members can do that, and not everyone on the committee has the designation, meaning details about cyber security weren't given to the committee during its study this year on readiness in the Canadian Forces.



"Of all of the areas that we talked about, this was the one that gave me the least amount of comfort," McKay said. "What we did here gave me ... not a lot of confidence that we were ahead of the curve."



Although Panetta's words are somewhat alarming, they point to a rising issue in national defence that the government needs to keep in mind when allocating resources, said NDP defence critic Jack Harris.



"There is a real threat of cyber attacks," he said. "These things are possibilities and realities that need to be guarded against."



"The F-35 is not going to defend us from cyber threats," Harris said. "While we need to be able to patrol our airspace ... we also need to be able to protect the integrity of our knowledge systems ... that we're highly dependent on."



In the years following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, Canada invested in measures to defend the nation from terrorist attacks. Events such as the so-called Toronto 18 terrorist plot reinforced that priority, and only now is Canada catching up to its allies, former CSIS assistant director Ray Boisvert told Postmedia News earlier this week.



Other countries spent differently. China and Russia have strong cyber warfare capabilities, and Panetta said Iran, which Prime Minister Stephen Harper has called a threat to global security, is beginning to make its presence known online. Panetta said Thursday night that if hackers decided to attack all at once, they might overwhelm defences and shut down key infrastructure that could put the public at risk.



"The danger facing us in cyberspace goes beyond crime and it goes beyond harassment. A cyber attack perpetrated by nation states and violent extremist groups could be as destructive as the terrorist attack on 9/11," Panetta said.



"The collective result of these kind of attacks could be a cyber Pearl Harbor, an attack that would cause physical destruction and the loss of life. In fact, it would paralyze and shock the nation and create a new, profound sense of vulnerability."



What countries and businesses are now dealing with is how to respond to such attacks and how to identify the source. Hackers could be anywhere, Aycock said, and the Internet wasn't designed to easily trace where something originated. Nor will traditional thinking about defence keep safe the systems Canada relies on to send a text message or email, operate traffic lights or keep household lights on.



"Attackers are very good at lateral thinking and they have lots of time to identify the weaknesses in systems,"  Aycock said.



"It's not really possible to have a 100-per-cent secure system especially when you look at it in a broader context. You can have all types of electronic defences in places ... but when it comes down to it, if someone wants to break into your computer badly enough, they'll drive a truck through the wall."





Read more: http://www.canada.com/Canada+should+heed+warnings+cyber+Pearl+Harbor+security+experts/7383296/story.html#ixzz299WFUvf6
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 01:19:52 AM
[size=150]Forced Evictions[/size]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1012/1224325186135.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 11:41:33 AM




Published Sunday, Oct. 07, 2012



Indian companies are lagging behind when it comes to investing in Canada's giant oil sands but could well start making deals within the next five years, Energy Minister Joe Oliver says.



Mr. Oliver, speaking to Reuters before a visit to Delhi and Mumbai, said Canadian energy industry needs $650-billion in investment over the next decade. Ottawa concedes much of it will have to come from abroad.



To some political consternation in Canada, China is rapidly buying up assets in the tar sands of northern Alberta, one of the world's biggest crude oil deposits. But India – the world's fourth largest oil importer – has yet to conclude a deal.



"I think they realize ... they are certainly behind others, and they acknowledge that," Mr. Oliver said.



"They are looking to Canada now with increasing interest. I can't predict what precisely they'll do, but I'd certainly be surprised that if in five years from now the picture didn't look quite a bit different."



Last month, sources said a trio of state-run Indian oil companies had bid $5-billion for stakes in Canadian oil sands holdings owned by ConocoPhillips.



The bid from the group, which comprises producers Oil and Natural Gas Corp and Oil India Ltd with refiner and retailer Indian Oil Corp, is the first by Indian energy companies for assets in Canada.



Canada is now deciding whether to approve a $15.1-billion bid by Chinese state-owned CNOOC Ltd for oil producer Nexen Inc, which is active in the oil sands.



Some Tories are uneasy about allowing a Chinese state-owned enterprise to buy such assets.



Indian state companies are partly owned by an elected government in what is the world's most populous democracy, and this could help reduce Canadian hesitation about future deals.



Mr. Oliver said he would try to boost Canadian energy exports to India. The government, keen to reduce its export reliance on the United States, is already trying to boost oil sales to China.



Canada exported $1.4-billion worth of natural resources to India last year – including just $4.1-million in energy products – and Oliver said he sees great potential for more trade.



"There is tremendous complimentarity between our two countries. We have these vast resources – oil, gas, minerals, metals and forestry – and India is growing ... there are immense opportunities," he said.



Mr. Oliver – noting that Saudi Arabia and Iran together supply 29 per cent of India's oil – said major importers of crude generally want to diversify their sources of supply to include what he called reliable and stable countries.



But any talk of boosting Canadian oil exports to India will depend in part on how soon new pipelines are built from the Alberta oil sands to ports on the Pacific Coast.



Opposition to one of the proposed pipelines, Enbridge Inc's Northern Gateway project, is steadily growing and there are doubts as to whether it will ever be built.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 12:05:21 PM
[size=150]New Organ Transplant Document To Be Released[/size]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/new-organ-transplant-document-released-by-chinese-ministry-of-health-302328-print.html



http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/opinion/chinese-regime-lurches-toward-disclosing-organ-harvesting-301709.html
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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 12:19:13 PM
[size=200]What's All The Rush/Canada-China Investment Deal[/size]

By Gus Van Harten On October 11, 2012

 

View of the Syncrude oil sands extraction facility near the town of Fort McMurray in Alberta. Sinopec Oil Sands, a subsidiary of Sinopec International Petroleum Exploration and Production Co. bought a stake in Syncrude in 2010. A new Canada-China foreign investment deal needs careful consideration given the magnitude of Chinese investment Canada could see, argues Gus Van Harten, a professor at Osgoode Hall Law School. (Mark Ralston/AFP/Getty Images)

The Prime Minister has said his government will stay neutral in the debate between B.C. and Alberta over the Northern Gateway pipeline. To do so, he must put the brakes on the Canada-China investment treaty.



The treaty gives Chinese investors a right to 'full protection and security' from public opposition.



The federal government revealed the Canada-China treaty a few weeks ago and is rushing to finalize it. The Prime Minister is proceeding without provincial consent, without an opportunity for careful study, and without a serious public debate. Yet the treaty will hamstring governments across Canada for decades in relation to Chinese-owned assets. This includes, for example, B.C. on the Northern Gateway.



Because of the sheer quantity of Chinese investment in play in our resource sector, the Canada-China treaty is the most important development for Canadian sovereignty–especially legislative and judicial authority–since NAFTA. Yet, in contrast to NAFTA, the deal does not open China to Canadian exports or, with limited exceptions, to Canadian investors.



The thrust of the treaty is to give extraordinary rights to Chinese investors in Canada. The investors' rights will be fixed for 31 years. This is lopsided, in effect, because Chinese ownership of assets in Canada will almost certainly outstrip Canadian investment in China. Chinese firms reportedly have bought $13 billion worth of the oil sands since 2010 and are pursuing a major stake in the Northern Gateway project.



Once the treaty takes effect, all existing and future Chinese investors in Canada will be able to enforce their new rights outside of Canadian courts in opaque extra-territorial tribunals. Only foreign investors can bring claims at the tribunals. They were set up originally to protect assets of the great powers in former colonies. They are not fair and independent in the manner of a domestic or international court.



Using the Northern Gateway case as an example, the following are arguments that a Chinese investor could make under the treaty. The examples are based on the assumption that a Chinese investor owns assets, even as a minority shareholder, in the pipeline or related projects.



The thrust of the treaty is to give extraordinary rights to Chinese investors in Canada.



B.C. Premier Christy Clark has said her province could frustrate the Northern Gateway project by withholding electricity for it. Under the treaty, a Chinese company can demand treatment no less favourable than that given to Canadian firms (Article 6 of the treaty) or to investors from third countries (Article 5). Chance of success? High, I would guess.



B.C. might deny permits for the project. A Chinese investor could claim that the denial of B.C. permits was not "fair and equitable" treatment (Article 4) if it could point to general approvals given by Ottawa. Notoriously, many arbitrators have expanded this right significantly by requiring governments to meet "legitimate expectations" of investors, broadly construed, and to maintain a "stable regulatory framework" over the entire life of a project. Democratic choice and provincial jurisdiction are not a defence. This highlights the treaty's constitutional significance for Canada.



Chance of success for this claim? Moderate, depending on whether the arbitrators took an expansive approach to the notion of fair and equitable treatment.



What if B.C. blocked the pipeline outright after it was underway? If this required expropriation of real estate or other assets, tangible or intangible, the investor has a right to sue for compensation (Article 10) beyond that available under Canadian law. Chance of success? High for direct expropriations.



What if public opposition led to protests that hindered the pipeline? The treaty gives Chinese investors a right to "full protection and security" from public opposition (Article 4). This will oblige governments in Canada to use their police authority to safeguard Chinese assets. The chance of a successful claim is low, but governments in Canada will certainly have to weigh Canadian democratic values against their duty to protect Chinese investors.



To win against Canada, an investor would have to succeed with just one of these arguments. Foreign investors have won on these arguments in other cases. The Chinese investors would likely be assisted by the club of lawyers in Canada and elsewhere who specialize in suing countries (and who may double as arbitrators) in these disputes.



The system is rich for the lawyers and arbitrators, and the stakes are high for taxpayers. To date, the largest award against a country was close to $2 billion. Various multi-billion dollar cases are pending, including one by Chinese investors against Belgium.



The danger for Canada is that, on balance, we are the capital-importer under the treaty. This is the first deal Canada has signed, since NAFTA, where this is the case. Thus, under the Canada-China treaty, we will be the sitting duck for investors and a dripping roast for the lawyers and arbitrators.





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The treaty has major implications for federal-provincial relations and governments across the country. It is a recipe for more conflict, not less, since governments in B.C. and other provinces will not capitulate easily on their basic responsibilities of representative government. The conflicts will culminate in extra-territorial Chinese lawsuits before investor-friendly tribunals. Will Ottawa foot the bill if, after a provincial decision, Canada is ordered to pay billions to a Chinese investor?



And, could someone please ask the Prime Minister to reconsider the decision to rush this through?



Gus Van Harten is a professor at Osgoode Hall Law School. He has a PhD on international investment law from the London School of Economics.
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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 12:50:17 PM
[size=200]LNG [Liquid Natural Gas] Project Underway/Prince Rupert[/size]

http://investnorthwestbc.ca/major-projects-and-investment-opportunities/map-view/prince-rupert/prince-rupert-lng-terminal
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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 12:54:56 PM
A Grand Sell-Out Party, It Was

http://www.asiapacificgateway.gc.ca/photos/minister-highlights-links.html
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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 01:16:02 PM




Canada port eyes pot of gold at end of downturn

By Earle Gale (China Daily)

Updated]




Prince Rupert on Canada's northernmost west coast is considerably closer to Asia than other North American container ports - meaning imports flow into North America days faster than through its rivals.

 



A seaside town in the shadows of Canada's West Coast mountains that calls itself the "City of Rainbows" will be looking for its pot of gold at the end of the economic downturn.



With a population of 13,000, Canada's most rain-soaked city (it gets over 250 cm a year) is awash with totem poles, bald eagles and boarded-up storefronts.



To many, it might look like an unusual boomtown-in-waiting but experts believe a bright future is on the horizon, thanks to the fact that Prince Rupert is 4,642 nautical miles from Shanghai while Los Angeles is 5,810 miles away.



After all, distance is time, and time is money in the international shipping business and Prince Rupert's brand new container port is being touted as Asia's next major gateway into North America.



"Our stars have aligned," said Don Krusel, Prince Rupert Port Authority's president and CEO less than two years ago when the port opened.



"Our timing couldn't have been better to bring on stream this high-performing container terminal to anchor a new express trade corridor. We will be able to offer both Asian and North American shippers unparalleled reliability, efficiency and speed in moving their products through our port."



It was a proud day for Krusel, who had been championing Prince Rupert and its underutilized port 770 km north of Vancouver for a long time in September 2007 when the new container port welcomed its first ship. He was sure the tide was about to turn for Prince Rupert after years of high unemployment.



When Krusel started at the port authority - as its manager of finance and administration in 1987 - the tiny facility shipped out felled trees, coal and grain and handled almost no imports.



But Krusel couldn't help noticing the port - being about as far north and west as you can get in North America - was much closer to Asia than the established West Coast terminals and he was sure it was the right place for a container handling facility.



Indeed, that proximity to Asia was the very reason the town was founded in 1910 by railway company executive Charles Melville Hays - as a conduit for China's silk exports.



Hays died aboard the Titanic in 1912 and his dream all but died with him.



Prince Rupert languished, overlooked and underused, for the next nine decades.





"Port development has taken a long time," admitted Mayor Jack Mussallem. "Ever since 1910 and the sinking of the Titanic, with Charles Melville Hays on board, we have had some port facilities in place: coal and grain export terminals, " but little else.



But in 2007, after a $170-million partnership between the Port Authority, Maher Terminals, Canadian National Railways and two levels of the Canadian government, the old port was enlarged and equipped with expanded rail sidings and an array of container-handling hardware.



Chinese cranes



Three massive cranes, each weighing 1,800 tons and towering 80 m above the dockside, now dominate the skyline.



Built by ZPMC of Shanghai, the cranes, and the exceptionally deep natural harbor meant tiny Prince Rupert could unload the world's largest container vessels.



"Now, the first phase of the container port can handle half a million containers a year," Mussallem said.



The grandson of Lebanese immigrants who moved to Prince Rupert in 1910 when the town was brand new, he is well aware of how patiently locals have waited for their world-class port.



"It is our destiny," he said.



Stockwell Day, Canada's minister of international trade, is fond of pointing out to foreign shippers that Prince Rupert offers a three- to five-day time-saving on an average 17-day trip from Asia to North America.



But if Prince Rupert thought it could sit back and let the Asian exports flow in, it was in for a rude awakening. The tide changed quickly after the new container port opened two years ago when the world was lunging into economic recession.



With North American consumers no longer thirsting for Asia's exports, the port that can handle 500,000 20-foot containers a year offloaded only 182,000 from 78 vessels in its first year.



And with China exporting 26.4 percent less in May 2009 than it did one year earlier, the short-term prognosis is not good.



Local politician Gary Coons, who represents the city and surrounding area in the provincial legislature, admitted people are disappointed.



"The port, so far, has not lived up to expectations," he said. "I believe many of us are disillusioned at this point in time."



But he is in no doubt it will become one of the world's premier container-handling facilities.



"As soon as markets stabilize and shippers realize the benefits of the 'Northern Gateway' ... Prince Rupert will be a major player," Coons predicted.



And it is with that sort of optimism that Prince Rupert is pushing forward with $600-million plans to expand the container port, so that by 2014, it will be able to handle two million containers.



Nathan Cullen, the local Member of Parliament who represents the region in Canada's federal chamber in Ottawa, is in no doubt that the port's future is inextricably linked with Asia's prosperity.



"This port will grow and become a major player on the western shipping front," he said. "It allows the city to diversify itself at a critical time in its recovery it's critical for the country to have alternate routes with a growing Asian market."



"Time is money," added Mussallem. "Buyers and customers want just-on-time delivery. So the question is: 'What route would you choose?'"



It's taken 100 years but Prince Rupert believes its destiny, so closely linked to China's prosperity, will finally be realized at the end of the economic downturn.







The photo that made me so angry...

 http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=2073984593594193476#editor/target=post;postID=5573217501464920251

 



Dale McLean, chair of the board of directors of Prince Rupert Port Authority, and Wen Jianyao, vice-president of Ningbo Port Group, sign an agreement on the container port on Sept 12, 2007. Barry Bartlett/Prince Rupert Port Authority
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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 01:36:39 PM
[size=200]Asia-Pacific Facebook Cable...Huh![/size]

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18725728
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 13, 2012, 01:57:39 PM
Facebook is banned in China as is memebee
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"[size=200]The Asia-Pacific Gateway..or how The Port of Prince Rupert was sold out to China![/size]

The whole Prince Rupert, gateway to Asia is CN and Warren Buffet's vision.

ya that scandal! Closed door sessions with the judge, no cameras! And Warren with his toy bride of Chinese decent..hmmm.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 04:21:58 PM
do you really think that the natives will allow a train vs a pipeline..same thing isnt it to them,a spil is a spill is a spill
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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
I see
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 13, 2012, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: "Formosan"
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an about face..hmmm



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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 09:16:47 PM




In total, anywhere from 1,600 to just under 2,000 Chinese nationals could find full-time work in four coal mining projects being proposed in coming years for northern B.C.

 

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Chinese miners raise spectre in Canada

Posted on Oct 13, 2012Canadian filmmaker exposes hell to the light



Posted on Oct 11, 2012



The Conservative government's welcoming of 200 Chinese nationals to work in northern B.C. mines made front-page news across Canada this week, including in this thorough article by The Vancouver Sun's Peter O'Neil.



The hot media attention, and in some cases anger, confirmed my January prediction that Canadians, facing tough economic times, will increasingly see menace in the rapid rise in temporary foreign workers in this country.



Canada now has roughly 300,000 temporary foreign workers, about double the number before the Conservatives came to power in 2005. The burst of interest in the arrival of Chinese national coal miners has provoked discussion about whether this trend is something to fear.



Specialists agree there will always be a need for a small number of temporary foreign workers, to fill skilled or semi-skilled positions for a short time. Employers often claim they need temporary foreign workers because there is a "shortage" of Canadians prepared to fill the jobs.



But critics say what the employers really mean, in many cases, is there aren't enough Canadians to do such work for poor wages and conditions.



Even conservative critics, such as as Martin Collacott, of the Fraser Institute, worry that the flood of temporary foreign workers is driving down wages and taking the pressure off governments to properly train Canadians.



How are things from the other end? The typical temporary foreign worker is in a vulnerable position, unable to speak up for him or herself while in Canada, officially allowed to stay only four years. But many end up applying for citizenship.



Here is an excerpt from my Jan. 8th column headlined "Five Trends in Canadian Immigration:"



4. Temporary foreign workers will be spotlighted



Metro Vancouver's 80,000 diligent Filipinos form the centre of a growing concern over temporary foreign workers. Since taking office in 2005, the Conservative government has hiked the numbers of these short-term foreign workers from 160,000 in 2006 to 283,000 in 2010.



Although temporary foreign workers have traditionally been brought into fill short-term skills shortages, they are increasingly being welcomed into the country to do unskilled, low-wage jobs as fast-food workers, nannies, farm labour and security guards.



In a rare display of agreement, economists from both the centre-left Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives and centre-right Fraser Institute have come out against the rise in temporary foreign workers, many of whom are from the Philippines.





Both sides of the spectrum say the over-use of temporary foreign workers is lowering overall wages, hurting productivity and, perhaps most importantly, discouraging Canadians and landed immigrants from upgrading their skills.



University of B.C. planning specialist Prod Laquian (photo left), who has Filipino heritage, adds another dimension to this thorny issue. He is among those who points out it is often devastating for developing countries to lose their more industrious citizens to richer countries such as Canada.
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Post by: Securious on October 13, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
[size=150]The Chinese Émigré And The Prairie Provinces[/size]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/seed-capital-how-immigrants-are-reshaping-saskatchewans-farmland/article4610589/?page=all
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Post by: Gary Oak on October 13, 2012, 09:47:18 PM
Notice how Chinese from a country where doctors and teachers are lucky to make as much as a Canadian welfare cheque are just arriving and plunking down a million dollars to many million dollars for land. Why am I the only person who knows something is wrong in this picture ? I knew a lady who didn't have a job, her husband was a UBC student and when she arrived whe bought a million dollar house on a wealthy west side neighbourhood. There is something going on here. The money is coming from somewhere. Part of the plan is that if all the land the land is owned by Chinese then isn't it Chinese territory ? If all the companies are owned by Chinese then everybody is under them [ FAN QING FU MING ] If all positions of power are in their hands then isn't it their country. They want every country in the world but the number one country they want is Canada and to live in Canada while they dream of taking over.


Quote from: "Securious"
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Post by: Securious on October 14, 2012, 02:04:01 AM
she's causing a stink with her resistance on the ban.[/u]
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Post by: Securious on October 14, 2012, 02:07:27 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Notice how Chinese from a country where doctors and teachers are lucky to make as much as a Canadian welfare cheque are just arriving and plunking down a million dollars to many million dollars for land. Why am I the only person who knows something is wrong in this picture ? I knew a lady who didn't have a job, her husband was a UBC student and when she arrived whe bought a million dollar house on a wealthy west side neighbourhood. There is something going on here. The money is coming from somewhere. Part of the plan is that if all the land the land is owned by Chinese then isn't it Chinese territory ? If all the companies are owned by Chinese then everybody is under them [ FAN QING FU MING ] If all positions of power are in their hands then isn't it their country. They want every country in the world but the number one country they want is Canada and to live in Canada while they dream of taking over.


Quote from: "Securious"




Increment by increment you are absolutely right, all the while catching us nodding off.
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Post by: Securious on October 14, 2012, 12:54:21 PM
[size=200] Fasten your safety belts Canadians our currency is about to be corrected![/size]



Here's where China takes on the world  as neo colonialists on a grand scale and comes out on top while we are left floundering like flatfish wondering what just hit us. China has been preparing for its down-turn for many years now gathering up needed commodities for its endurance during its time of trial. Is it war!...Damn right it is, but non dare call it that.



http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/all/China+central+banker+says+currency+rate+near+equilibrium/7387752/story.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 14, 2012, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"she's causing a stink with her resistance on the ban.[/u]

This is a kind of who cares thing for me. Much like Pamela Anderson's opposition to the Newfoundland seal hunt. What I don't like are municipal councils dictating what people can eat, how long they can idle their vehicles or whether grocery stores can hand out plastic bags.


In principle I would normally agree with you as I feel the same about others telling me what to do or not,how to live my life, government, special interest groups,  etc.. But China has and will always be the classic case of seeing medical benefits in all exotic and unusual beast of the earth, and by extracting a part just for some efficacious ointments or ungulates, tonics etc it has no scruples but to get them at all costs. We on the other hand see the benefit of a healthy eco-system, a balance in all things and not rape and pillage for curtailing erectile dysfunction where common or garden exercise  would have been prescribed.

No China is simply wrong-headed here. I disagree.
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Post by: Gary Oak on October 14, 2012, 05:58:41 PM
About a dozen years ago a couple of investigating reporters if my memory serves me correctly came from either the USA or the UK fell out of a window on the fifth floor of some building and died. Everybody knew that they didn't accidentally fall out. They had been investigating government collusion in the people smuggling industry. What I am saying is that as Canada is the number one country in the world that they want to take over as they have Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and also have taken over the economies of Cambodia,Indonesia and the Philippines and have made huge inroads in most other southeast asian nations that they are deliberately making it difficult to return them . They want as large a fifth collumn as they can get here. It is part of their multi pronged strategy to take us over. also these excess population that they manage to unload on us live a better life here and China no longer has to take responsibility for them.



http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/thousands-illegal-chinese-immigrants-awaiting-deportation-because-china-193105041.html
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Post by: Gary Oak on October 14, 2012, 06:08:13 PM
Once again Harper  comes through as the best prime minister in my lifetime by far. I find east indian girls very attractive but I strongly suspect that if I was to learn their languages history culture etc...as I did China and chinese peopel I am now thinking that I am going to be in for the same rude awakening that they too are trying to take over and only see Canadians as stupid suckers to take advantage of. We have enough white crooks. Do we need to import more ? At least the filipinos as a rule like us , and want to be Canadians. With at least 4 billion people wanting to live in Canada do we really need to let in people who see us as the enemy standing in the way of them taking over the country ? When I first came to China I thought I speak the language and I want to be a friend to China and chinese people but after backstab after backstab  while I was studying and learning about them the reality of how things really are was bound to sink in. Their mentality it appears to have been that they had better cheat  me before others cheat me and wisen me up to how they are like.



http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/plan-part-harper-government-effort-limit-immigration-india-132219463.html
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Post by: Gary Oak on October 14, 2012, 06:25:58 PM
Stay on topic you slutbag passport ho. What I wrote is very understandable
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 14, 2012, 08:59:47 PM
now now there you two
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Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Once again Harper  comes through as the best prime minister in my lifetime by far.

Because of the big trade agreement he just signed with China?


QuoteAn analysis by Andrew Nikiforuk of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's recent dealings with China has drawn intense interest, garnering within several days nearly 7,000 Facebook recommends and tweeted over 400 times. The opinion piece, published on the Tyee Thursday and headlined "Chairman Harper and the Chinese Sell-Out" cites the FIPA agreement Harper has completed with China, set to be automatically made law, without requirement of Parliamentary debate, on Nov. 1. Green Party leader Elizabeth May has called for an emergency debate in the House of Commons.



In his piece, Nikiforuk defines what is at stake this way:



"By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves...



"The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.



"That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company."



//http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Federal-Politics/2012/10/14/China-Canada-Agreement/
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Post by: Securious on October 15, 2012, 01:16:11 AM
[size=200]Chinese Workers Will Be Here For Years To Come[/size]



Incidently,this would have been acheived by any of the other political parties, regardless, all have been infiltrated by the Chinese.



 Mines are not prepared to pay enough to attract Canadian workers, say employment experts By Peter O'Neil, Vancouver Sun

October 14, 2012
 



 A truck is loaded with coal at a northeastern B.C. mine. New mines are looking to Ottawa to allow them to bring workers from China after failing to tempt Canadian workers to sign on.

Photograph by: Handout, Vancouver SunThe hundreds of "temporary" foreign workers coming from China starting this autumn to work in northeastern B.C. coal mines will end up staying for years, if not decades, predicts the president of a B.C.-based employment agency.



And some of them may end up getting ripped off and even going home in caskets if the B.C. government doesn't ensure proper regulation, said Kael Campbell, president of the Red Seal Group, a Victoria firm that helps match companies with skilled tradespeople across Canada.



"There is a true shortage of workers in northern B.C.," said Campbell, a former employment standards officer in the B.C. Labour Ministry. "These Chinese workers are not going to be replaced by Canadians in this current economy. They will likely be nominated by the company for permanent residency and work in northern B.C. for years, if not decades."



Campbell said he has no problem with the argument from government and industry officials that the Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) program is an economic necessity.



"Chinese coal miners built towns like Cumberland, B.C., and were a huge part of the founding of Canada (by working) on the railway."



But he said there should be a long-term plan to integrate the workers that goes far beyond the employer's plan to teach each of the 200 workers recently approved by Ottawa a list of 100 English words related to safety and technical matters.



"We really have to question how a miner who knows 100 words in English will know what their rights are or how to follow" government-mandated safety procedures.



He cited one incident in 2007 when two Chinese nationals brought to Canada under the TFW program died when the roof of a holding tank collapsed over their heads at an oilsands project north of Fort McMurray.



The Alberta government confirmed in June of 2008 that an investigation determined the workers were being shortchanged.



The widow of one of the accident victims, Ge Genbao, said her husband told her he would make the equivalent of $600 a month. He should have been making $30 an hour, or at least $4,800 a month, plus overtime and benefits, according to the union that represented the workers, the Edmonton Journal reported.



SSEC Canada Ltd., the Canadian subsidiary of Chinese state-owned oil giant Sinopec, pleaded guilty last month of failing to ensure the safety of the workers killed and injured in the accident during construction of the Canadian Natural Resources Ltd.'s $10.8-billion Horizon oilsands project.



The Crown is seeking a fine of $500,000, according to the Edmonton Journal. Sentencing is set for Jan. 24.



Campbell estimates that about 15 per cent of temporary foreign workers in B.C. are scammed out of part of their pay, often by middlemen in Canada or in the country of origin.



He said the B.C. Employment Standards Act, which covers temporary foreign workers, has a maximum penalty of $10,000, far short of the $100,000 fine and two-year jail sentence that can be imposed under new legislation in Alberta.



He said the B.C. government also needs to ensure that the employer has qualified safety officers who can communicate with the workers in their language. The B.C. Labour Ministry also needs to have Mandarin- and Cantonese-speaking officers who can speak to the workers.



"The B.C. government should be asking what is happening to ensure some of these workers don't end up going home in coffins."



The B.C. Ministry of Jobs, Tourism and Skills Training said Friday that provincial rules require "underground coal mine managers and foremen to be fluent in the English language and pass an examination in English."



The Vancouver Sun reported earlier this week that a group of companies, all Chinese with the exception of a Vancouver company founded by a Chinese-Canadian, plan to use hundreds of Chinese temporary workers at four separate underground coal mine operations in northeastern B.C.



Only one of the four, the Murray River project near Tumbler Ridge, is at the environmental review stage. It is slated to begin full production in 2015. The other three projects are at various stages of development and have many more hurdles to overcome before becoming operational.



The president of the company involved in developing all four properties said the consortium tried and failed to find Canadian workers because of an "extreme" shortage of workers with training and underground mining experience.



Naishun Liu of Canadian Dehua International Mines Group Inc. said the companies had no option but to hire experienced Chinese workers.



"Using foreign workers is an expensive choice as the employer has to provide full transportation (and) accommodation, which costs (the) employer much more than hiring local Canadians."



He said the mine will have bilingual interpreters and well-qualified supervisors in accordance with Canadian standards.



"Our goal is to ensure the foreign workers earn the wage no lower than Canadian workers," Liu wrote The Vancouver Sun in an email Friday. "What's more, (our goal is) ZERO death rate in safety operations. Our projects will adopt the most advanced technology and equipment."



He said the companies developing the mines promise to replace Chinese temporary workers with trained Canadians within 10 years.



"Though the foreign workers are temporary, we will make efforts to encourage foreign workers to integrate ... into (the) local community by learning English and Canadian culture. There will NOT be any 'Chinatown,'" he wrote.



But the companies are finding that Canadian workers aren't willing to work for the wages on offer.



The backers of one of the four proposed coal mine projects, the Gothing underground mine project 25 kilometres west of Hudson's Hope, posted job offers last year for a dozen underground machinery mechanics, paying $25 to $32 an hour. Canadian companies are required to advertise job openings before they can obtain permits for temporary foreign workers.



Both Campbell and Karen Watt, chief executive of Excel Personnel Ltd. of Kamloops, said that rate is significantly below the industry standard. "Chances are they won't find an underground miner (in Canada) who will work for $25 an hour. I mean, they're putting their lives at risk," Watt said.



Even $32 an hour, or about $66,000 a year, is low, she said, adding that qualified and experienced underground miners make anywhere from $73,000 to $120,000 a year.



She said she agreed with Campbell that the workers will inevitably apply for permanent residency, given the relatively high wage rates in Canada compared to China's.



Jody Shimkus, vice-president of environmental and regulatory affairs at HD Mining International Ltd., which is developing the Murray River project with Dehua, said the Canadian government accepted her company's application for foreign workers after the company advertised the jobs at "competitive" wages in Canada and couldn't find experienced personnel.



HD Mining, which is developing the Murray River project with Canadian Dehua, will be following all Canadian and B.C. safety rules and will ensure that employees are treated fairly, she said
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 15, 2012, 12:30:48 PM
The free market may call for foreign guest workers but if a people from a nation have proven themselves to be united against Canada to a sufficient degree such as Chinese immigrants have proven to be then shouldn't the welcome matt be taken away and given to those who actually like Canadians ?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 01:11:16 PM
Chinese immigrants aren't against Canada. They love it here and they love this country. They become excellent citizens.



Your hatred doesn't make them bad people. It makes you a bad person.
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Post by: Securious on October 15, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
Unfortunately on the surface this appears incredulous but dig a little and one finds it to be true. Sadly most dont bother these days; China banks on that Mr. Oak.

Its in their interest to silence the likes of CSIS Directors such as Richard Fadden,the government has done a skillfull job at that we see...making you a good person, sorry Romero.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
You think Shen Li is against Canada?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 15, 2012, 01:29:13 PM
I think she is great and more power to her. Do you think she is great Romero?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 15, 2012, 01:35:48 PM
[size=150]Bleakness In the Markets, Not Looking Good For China[/size]



http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/tsx-fails-to-find-lift-from-chinese-u-s-economic-data-citigroup-earnings-1.995869
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: "Securious"I think she is great and more power to her. Do you think she is great Romero?

I wouldn't say "great" but she's not against Canada.



It's pretty disgusting of you and Gary to accuse Chinese immigrants of being against Canada. Innocent, fine people that you two know nothing about. Hating them just because they're Chinese.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 15, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
Hey slow down there sonny, who's hating who, you say? Because I see an invasion force orchestrated by Beijing I hate, what nonsense. You will hear this from the immigrants themselves the favours Beijing imposes on them, most willingly.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 02:39:39 PM
Who's hating? You're calling Chinese immigrants "an invasion force". You and Gary say they are against Canada.



I will hear this from immigrants themselves? No. I've know plenty of Chinese immigrants. Good people who love Canada.



How many Chinese immigrants have told you such things? Zero. Because it isn't true.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 15, 2012, 02:45:39 PM
Good for you, I'm so pleased you are happy with the status quo..I think differently, so do some Chinese immigrants. Does that mean I hate, you're a crazed fool Mr. Romero with a wild imagination. Let Mr. Oak speak for himself.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
Yes, it means you hate. Chinese immigrants have made fine citizens yet you hate them just because they're Chinese.



Mr. Oak has spoken for himself. He says terrible things about Chinese all the time.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 15, 2012, 03:24:21 PM
This is solid proof that debating anything with an airhead as clueless and stupid as Romero is a waste of time and space on this thread. I was just on a bus and a chinese guy was eavesdropping on my conversation in chinese with a few elderly chinese ladies who cannot speak English and called me KWAILO , now having comong sense I was offended as I know how rude that the term KWAILO [devilman ] is and called him WONG KWAI [ yellow devil ] I told him in chinese that if he doesn't like Canadians he can go back to China and work the fields. The  elderly chinese ladies were on my side by the way. Usually the chinese girls don't hate us but the chinese men usually do.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 03:29:34 PM
Bullshit. You're pissed off at Chinese guys because they kicked your ass in boxing fair and square.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 15, 2012, 05:56:38 PM
QuoteTemp Miners from China Dig up Trouble for Clark



Hailed by premier as jobs coup for BC, coal mine now a lightning rod for union, enviro, First Nations anger.



Nearly a year ago, B.C. Premier Christy Clark was clearly having a good day on her trade mission to China. In an exultant press release datelined Beijing, Nov. 11, 2011, the premier announced a substantial infusion of Chinese capital for two new projects in the B.C. coal mining industry, an investment that would, she said, result in thousands of new jobs.



What the provincial leader didn't mention was that most of the direct mining jobs would go to temporary foreign workers brought to mining camps in the northeast of the province from China.



Steve Hunt, Western Canada director for the United Steelworkers, called government explanations for bringing in the temporary workers "bullshit." He said the government's key goal here was "cheap labour."



"We could easily find or train the needed miners here in Canada," Hunt told the Tyee on Friday. "We have been training underground miners in this country for over a century, and we could have workers ready to go in less than two months."



Hunt emphasized that his union had no quarrel with the Chinese miners themselves.



"They're just trying to make a living, just like my members," Hunt said. "Our quarrel is with the temporary foreign worker program that brings in workers, drives down wages, uses them up like spare parts and then ships them back home."



Hunt told The Tyee that he and his union took issue with a Tory government he said was constantly increasing the movement of temporary labour into Canada under conditions that exposed the "guest workers" to exploitation, drove down Canadian wages and working conditions and denied the foreign workers a chance to settle and make a life in Canada. He said that he expected the Chinese workers would be paid 10 to 15 dollars an hour less than unionized miners in Canada.



'Temp workers likely to be exploited': anti-racism advocate



Hunt also warned that the vulnerable foreign workers would not be able to enforce even the minimal protections available here for non-unionized workers.



"Imagine one of these Chinese miners trying to enforce health and safety or hours of work protections under Canadian law," Hunt said. "He'd be on a plane home the next day."



Hunt said that his union has heard from many temporary foreign workers across the country who are afraid to complain about how they are being exploited by Canadian employers, for fear of losing their jobs.



Harsha Walia, an activist with No One is Illegal, a Canadian grassroots migrant justice group, agrees with Hunt that the temporary foreign worker program fosters worker exploitation.



"I think it is really positive that the Steelworkers are alive to the danger of anti-Chinese racism in this context," Walia told the Tyee. "That's a big improvement on sometimes racist responses from trade unionists to foreign workers in the past. Mr. Hunt is right when he says that temporary workers are likely to be exploited."



Walia said that the broader context for the debate about foreign coal miners is a major shift in the Canadian workforce being engineered by the Harper government.



"Temporary foreign workers now represent the largest group of immigrants to Canada," she said. "The temporary worker programs are the flip side of outsourcing. Instead of sending Canadian work to the Third World to chase cheap labour, the programs bring in immigrant workers to work cheap and precariously in Canada. It just lowers the wage floor for everyone. We have a federal government that is committed to making labour more 'flexible' and profits higher for their friends in business."



//http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/10/15/China-Temp-Miners/

Thanks, Clark and Harper.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 15, 2012, 08:00:35 PM
The problem i have with this is Harper has made it more difficult for Chinese and East Indian to do scam marriages and other scams to scam their population into Canada in efforts to take over this Country from us and turn it into a sleazy hellhole. This appears to be another new  method of scamming chinese into the country in efforts outpopulate Canadians. If the country is 60% chinese then isn't it a part of China ? In their minds it is. If you look at the track record of how minorities are treated when Chinese take over it is a very bad scenario for the newly "minority-ised"
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
[size=200]Japan On High Alert Chinese Warships Spotted[/size]



http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/16/japan-on-high-alert-after-chinese-warships-spotted-near-disputed-island/



are you ready Canada
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"
G'morning Securious, how's it going?


Still sleepy but having balmy weather here. It was stormy last night with  thunder and lightening, quite the boomer's overhead. Posted 25'Cel yesterday in our neck of the woods. First thing I do is check the INTERNET for changes overseas and at home.  MGuinty is gone!!! Hurray! Was a long time coming, Ontarians were sorely pissed by his blundering appeasements to China, trips to China and all the malarkey that went with it. Probably the worst situation Ontario has been in ever by his administration. Liberals wont stand a chance there for a long time, watch though the NDP!

Overseas the Chinese are bullying again with Japan. Belligerent as usual they are sending in war class vessels.

At home NEXEN remains a worry for many Canadians but I think its safe to say its gone south. Our Central Banker [representative for the BOE/Rothschild's] loves the idea China should take over the oil patch, thinks its great.



How about you while I'm sloshing down a mug of tea here and linguine w/ratatouille [my own cooking BTW]

My kinda breakfast.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Rand on October 16, 2012, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Securious"I think she is great and more power to her. Do you think she is great Romero?

I wouldn't say "great" but she's not against Canada.



It's pretty disgusting of you and Gary to accuse Chinese immigrants of being against Canada. Innocent, fine people that you two know nothing about. Hating them just because they're Chinese.


Be very careful and consider this a warning troll/Romero. We wont stand for anyone making wild personal accusations about people hating. There is no substantiating evidence that these two are haters only in your mind. Furthermore anyone showing cause for concern over Canada's safety and security we want to know about it and their points are valid so far. This forum is libertarian, considerate,forward-thinking and progressive than the other variety on MemeBee. Security matters weigh heavily as one of our highest priorities here. We have noticed your panache for baseless hysterical accusations and finger pointing and we wont stand for it so we are asking you to stop it or be banned from posting here. Consider this your first warning. This also goes for others planning this type of trolling too.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 16, 2012, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"...if a people from a nation have proven themselves to be united against Canada to a sufficient degree such as Chinese immigrants have proven to be then shouldn't the welcome matt be taken away and given to those who actually like Canadians ?

Quote from: "Securious"Unfortunately on the surface this appears incredulous but dig a little and one finds it to be true.

There ya go, Ayn.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 16, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
Chinese immigrants aren't "fifth columnists". They're excellent future Canadians.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
You aren't making sense Romero. There is reasonable belief that the Chinese diaspora are controlled by Beijing. Time after time They themselves have opened up about this exchange between the "Motherland" Beijing and those they "allow to leave". For your information there are those who incredibly endure living in fear that China will find and eliminate them. Journalists have had encounters with political dissenters who time after time claim this indentured schism is in practise, a key focal point to their brand of "Totalitarian Facist Communism".
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 16, 2012, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: "Securious"There is reasonable belief that the Chinese diaspora are controlled by Beijing.

No there isn't. But there is definitive proof that Chinese immigrants have helped make Canada a great country.



"Belief". Exactly. You simply wish to believe it.



Where are all these Beijing controlled diaspora? I don't see them anywhere. You don't see them anywhere. We just see fine Chinese Canadians.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 01:19:23 PM
information for fear of reprisals, most comply. Thats the type of system they have in place...fear and xenophobia driven.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 16, 2012, 01:27:58 PM
What percentage of Chinese Canadians do you believe are "fifth columnists"?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 01:30:10 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Securious"There is reasonable belief that the Chinese diaspora are controlled by Beijing.

No there isn't. But there is definitive proof that Chinese immigrants have helped make Canada a great country.



"Belief". Exactly. You simply wish to believe it.



Where are all these Beijing controlled diaspora? I don't see them anywhere. You don't see them anywhere. We just see fine Chinese Canadians.


The reasonable  "belief" comes from more learned people than I Romero, journalists and social scientists...it isn't my imagination as it is obviously in yours. You seem to be in denial for some curious reason. Who are you protecting?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 01:31:05 PM
Quote from: "Securious" information for fear of reprisals, most comply. Thats the type of system they have in place...fear and xenophobia driven.

This will answer your concerns Romero...oh and please don't call me a hater Romero on the subject of the Chinese diaspora as fifth columnists. Go and read about it please before showing your ignorance and running off at the mouth again. You are far too hasty and emotional, an accuser who before engaging brain function sputters on about imaginary ghosts who aren't there. looks like you were told about this we see. No more trolling  those who think differently OK.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 16, 2012, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: "Securious"The reasonable  "belief" comes from more learned people than I Romero, journalists and social scientists...it isn't my imagination as it is obviously in yours. You seem to be in denial for some curious reason. Who are you protecting?

I'm defending my fellow Canadians.



What percentage of Chinese Canadians do you believe are "fifth columnists"?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 01:55:53 PM
Romero its a fact so please do yourself a favour,stop jumping about and read up on it. Only then you will arrive at your answer. You are digging yourself more and more into a hole on this one. Ive shown the way so get on it, for everyones sake. Your denial is so painful for us to endure anymore, grow up.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 01:58:34 PM




   

  A group of labour unions has written to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and B.C. Premier Christy Clark to raise concerns about a pending influx of temporary foreign workers to the B.C. mining sector. The unions say Canadian workers could do the jobs for which foreign workers are being hired.



"We believe this mass importation of labour is completely unnecessary and is simply a strategy to employ lower-paid workers who are compliant with the culture of coal mining in China," said the October 15 letter from the Bargaining Council of B.C. Building Trades Unions, which represents 15 unions whose members include plumbers, sheet metal workers and others involved in the construction industry.



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Labour union letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and B.C. Premier Christy Clark



"The coal mining in that country is patently unsafe and the industry there shows little regard for the life, health and well being of the workers in that country."



The letter comes as HD Mining International Ltd. – the Vancouver-based mining company that is developing the Murray River coal project near Tumbler Ridge – has obtained permission to bring 200 workers to B.C. under the federally administered Temporary Foreign Worker Program.



HD Mining will be required to comply with all federal and provincial labour regulations when it comes to temporary foreign workers "and we will do so willingly," said Jody Shimkus, vice-president of regulatory affairs with the company.



Concerning wages, Ms. Shimkus said the rules for the program require foreign workers to be paid at a level that would be "comparable" to local workers.



The first dozen or so Chinese workers are likely to arrive in B.C. in the next few weeks.



The program allows employers to hire foreign workers on a temporary basis when Canadians and permanent residents are not available. Foreign workers are covered by federal and provincial labour laws, but language barriers and isolation can make them vulnerable to exploitation.



HD's partner in Murray River is Canadian Dehua International, a Chinese-backed company that is working on three other proposed coal projects in the province that could also involve hundreds of foreign workers.



The prospect that mining companies might want to hire foreign workers has been known since at least 2007, when Canadian Dehua filed a project description for its proposed Gething project that said as many as 400 foreign workers would likely be needed to build the mine.



Ms. Clark did not mention foreign workers in an official announcement last November, when she trumpeted Chinese investments in B.C.'s mining sector – including projects involving Canadian Dehua – that would "eventually create over 6,700 jobs."



Canada lacks workers who have experience in the 'longwall' type of mining that will be used at Murray River and other coal mines Canadian Dehua is developing, chief executive officer John Cavanagh said on Monday.



"There are only two underground coal mines in Canada – and both of them use a technology called 'room and pillar,' " Mr. Cavanagh said. 'It's a little bit like saying while somebody's a pilot – but one's flying a helicopter and the other person is flying a jet.



"There are two entirely different types of technologies and as such they need different types of workers."



Workers could be trained in the longwall system, but that requires an operating mine – and an operating mine requires experienced workers to get it up and running, Mr. Cavanagh said.



Labour unions have challenged that rationale for hiring foreign workers, saying B.C. workers could be trained to handle new systems and equipment.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 16, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: "Securious"Romero its a fact so please do yourself a favour,stop jumping about and read up on it. Only then you will arrive at your answer. You are digging yourself more and more into a hole on this one. Ive shown the way so get on it, for everyones sake. Your denial is so painful for us to endure anymore, grow up.

The correct answer is - statistically 0% of Chinese Canadians are "fifth columnists".
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 02:14:24 PM
[size=150]Top Chinese Telecoms Should Be Banned[/size]



http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/08/top-china-telecoms-should-be-banned-because-of-spying-threat-congress/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 16, 2012, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"Where did you get that number? I'm not trying to be smart here, just wonder how any exact number high or low could possibly be given.

I'm basing it on the complete lack of fifth columnists. There have been over a million Chinese immigrants and Chinese Canadians. How many have been "fifth columnists"? We can be certain that the number is well less than 1/1000, which is statistically 0%.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 16, 2012, 04:07:14 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9609112/Chinese-paratroopers-storm-island-during-mass-exercise.html



    I was talking to an American in China last night. He said that China is collapsing right now. I believe that the issues with the Philippines and Japan over disputed islands is being used to take the populations minds off of the collapsing economy. This friend in China said that the banks aren't loaning anymore for big projects like bridges,roads construction and are demanding repayment of loans, Europe and America are not buying as they used to,Europes broke and the USA isn't fairing much better,inflation and high wages have made it no longer econimical for many big foreign companies to invest. After reading the very interesting book Poorly Made In China  by Paul Midler  I also believe that another reason that these big foreign companies are no longer investing is the funny business that they have to deal with in dealing with these factories and the chinese government as well. Without enough money to pay for these high wages, nobody buying property or vehicles Chinese is sputtering along. From what I was told last night China is on a rapid decline as we speak. Perhaps the internal market can keep them afloat as in did ini the fall of 2008. This will be interesting to watch from back here in Canada.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 06:51:23 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 16, 2012, 07:17:59 PM
not much for conspiracy theories however consider the following anecdotal comments....



1. 20 years ago you would be hard pressed to find an asian face in small town alta/sask (except the local chinese cafe).....today you would be challenged to find a quicky mart/corner store/gas bar not owned by asians...even in small towns of a couple hundred people...they now own most of the small businesses across wide swaths of the country....what will it look like 20 years hence ?????



2. the recent reports of chinese buying up vast tracts of farmland across the praries to produce raw  food stocks destined to be shipped directly to the motherland for processing and sale at home.......what happens when the majority of the food being grown in the Canadian agricultural heartland is being shipped directly overseas....what do we eat ????



3. Massive asian ownership of canada's oil industry with one purpose...to ship raw crude home for processing and sale in the motherland.......at what point do chinese companies start bringing chinese labor with them under treaty provisions negotiated in some grand free trade arrangement....what happens to canadian jobs on canadian soil ??????



4. Asian ownership of the north american telecommunications networks....are they really spies or just low cost providers of equipment    ?????



4. Asian ownership of many mines in canada producing commodity minerals for shipping home....also bringing their labor with them. why ?????



AND: now we hear that china wants treaties signed with canada ASAP that basically protects them from having the Canadian government do anything should they finally wake up and find Canada being shipped overseas piece by piece or jobs taken in Canada by foreigners on a massive scale under treaty protection.....can anyone envision a time when china as a superpower would simply send force to Canada to enforce treaty provisions should Canada say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH at some point.....surely the USA has done so for half a century to protect it's treaty interests......conspiracy anyone or just business as usual just with a different colored skin behind it
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 08:18:49 PM
It all fits my friend, and well planned. Canada, the New Chinese territory. Can anyone say Neo-Colonialism,or for that matter, war by any other name. Shhhh, dont want to wake up Canadians at sleep.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 08:33:40 PM
[size=200]NEXEN[/size]



Canada PM casts doubt on Nexen takeover by China

Cecilia Jamasmie | October 12, 2012










Canada's authorities said Friday the federal government's review of China National Offshore Oil Corp.'s $15.1 billion proposed takeover of Nexen Inc. (NYSE, TSX:NXY) under the Investment Canada Act will take another 30 days.



Speaking to reporters in Dakar, Senegal, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper gave investors more reasons to speculate about the final outcome of the deal, as he said that China's "very different" political and economic systems are a concern for his government.



Those remarks, reports Reuters, are among the most revealing Harper has made in connection with the CNOOC-Nexen deal.



"The relationship with China is important. At the same time it's complex. It's complex because the Chinese obviously have very different systems than we do, economic and political systems, and that's why obviously some of these particular transactions raise concerns," Harper was quoted as saying by Reuters.



He added his government would ensure that Canada has not only a growing relationship with China, but also one that is in the country's best interests.



Canadian leaders have now another month to review whether the possible takeover represents a so-called net benefit to the economy, as required under the country's foreign-investment laws.



Since CNOOC made an official application to the Canadian government in late August, mixed messages about the authorities' position on the subject have generated increasing anxiety among investors. Some fear public opposition will convince the government to eventually block the deal.



Senior Conservative officials, led by Harper, have suggested the issue of market reciprocity — or guarantees that Canadian investors will get access to Chinese assets — could play a key role in the ruling.



Truth is the country's ruling Conservative Party is split over the matter and Harper has been left with difficult final call to make, as  a previous analysis by Reuters explains:



A green light, still viewed by many as likely, would allow China's biggest ever foreign takeover, extend China's foothold in Canada's crude-rich oilsands – an area with the biggest proven resources of energy outside Venezuela and Saudi Arabia — and help Beijing fulfill its drive for better access to energy resources to fuel the world's second-largest economy.



A "no", or conditions on the deal that were too onerous for CNOOC, would cut the takeover premium on Canadian resource stocks, and likely stem Chinese investment in the energy patch, as well as damaging Canada's already dented reputation as a friendly jurisdiction for foreign investment.



It would also infuriate Beijing, which might make the Chinese market a less welcoming destination for Canadian exporters. When U.S. opposition thwarted CNOOC's attempt to buy California-based Unocal Corp. in 2005 it angered Chinese officials and strained Sino-U.S. relations.



But Canada's has to also consider the consequences of upsetting its Southern neighbour, whose pressure could come into play at the time of the final decision.



A U.S. prove of disapproval came a week ago, when Nebraska Republican Congressman Lee Terry urged President Obama in a blog to "Oppose CNOOC-Nexen merger, approve Keystone":



Recently, Chinese state oil company, CNOOC, announced its intention to purchase Canadian oil company, Nexen, for $15.1 billion in cash. I have deep concerns about this merger and what it means for American national security and energy security in the future.



...With the purchase of Nexen, China will control a major North American oil company. China will firmly be positioned in our front and backyard.



Should the biggest ever foreign investment in the North American country get the green light, CNOOC has promised it will make Calgary the headquarters of its North and Central American operations, will join Canada's main equities market, the Toronto Stock Exchange and will keep current Nexen employees.



RELATED:



Chinese oil company confident of Nexen takeover's success >> >>
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 16, 2012, 08:45:26 PM
That's the plan. Also part of this multi pronged approach to taking over is to get a far higher number of them in thus making for a far more powerful voting block. If they could get 40 million chinese in then we would have a prime minister whose loyalty is to China. But any increase in Chinese people here is an increase in their voting power, an increase in their allies against the people they want to take over. [the FAN QING FU MING thread explains part of this plan ]



   If all businesses are in their control then all the workers are under them as well. They like living under white people however at the same time they want to take over and have us under them.If you go over their oaths and rituals and know that as the MING dynasty represents han chinese and that the QING dynasty represents the nonchinese that let them into which ever country that they have immigrated to then you realise that they want revenge against us too. Kill the QING, extirminate the QING,destroy the QING etc.... is all in there. Not knowing that the QING represent nonchinese thenit is very odd when you go over their oaths and rituals that they are mostly to do with doing ill towards the QING. The QING were nomadic tribes much like the Mongolians and were considered FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians. What do they call us in cantonese ? LO FAN ? LO mean man and this FAN means FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. To test if FAN is derogatory try calling them WONG FAN as WONG means yellow and look into their eyes and see their reaction. They also call us GWAILO and as GWAI means devil it means devil man. Black peopel are HAK GWAI with HAK meaning black. Try calling one WING GWAI and look at the anger in their eyes. I did the other day when one called me a GWAILO. I told him that if he doesn't like Canadians he can go back to China and work the rice fields.


Quote from: "Obvious Li"not much for conspiracy theories however consider the following anecdotal comments....



1. 20 years ago you would be hard pressed to find an asian face in small town alta/sask (except the local chinese cafe).....today you would be challenged to find a quicky mart/corner store/gas bar not owned by asians...even in small towns of a couple hundred people...they now own most of the small businesses across wide swaths of the country....what will it look like 20 years hence ?????



2. the recent reports of chinese buying up vast tracts of farmland across the praries to produce raw  food stocks destined to be shipped directly to the motherland for processing and sale at home.......what happens when the majority of the food being grown in the Canadian agricultural heartland is being shipped directly overseas....what do we eat ????



3. Massive asian ownership of canada's oil industry with one purpose...to ship raw crude home for processing and sale in the motherland.......at what point do chinese companies start bringing chinese labor with them under treaty provisions negotiated in some grand free trade arrangement....what happens to canadian jobs on canadian soil ??????



4. Asian ownership of the north american telecommunications networks....are they really spies or just low cost providers of equipment    ?????



4. Asian ownership of many mines in canada producing commodity minerals for shipping home....also bringing their labor with them. why ?????



AND: now we hear that china wants treaties signed with canada ASAP that basically protects them from having the Canadian government do anything should they finally wake up and find Canada being shipped overseas piece by piece or jobs taken in Canada by foreigners on a massive scale under treaty protection.....can anyone envision a time when china as a superpower would simply send force to Canada to enforce treaty provisions should Canada say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH at some point.....surely the USA has done so for half a century to protect it's treaty interests......conspiracy anyone or just business as usual just with a different colored skin behind it
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 08:54:13 PM
BC has now its own Chinese Political Party [exclusively for Chinese elected to council]. Serious-minded contenders for the Vote in BC...next step/Parliament? ....you'betcha
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 16, 2012, 09:02:39 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"That's the plan. Also part of this multi pronged approach to taking over is to get a far higher number of them in thus making for a far more powerful voting block. If they could get 40 million chinese in then we would have a prime minister whose loyalty is to China. But any increase in Chinese people here is an increase in their voting power, an increase in their allies against the people they want to take over. [the FAN QING FU MING thread explains part of this plan ]



   If all businesses are in their control then all the workers are under them as well. They like living under white people however at the same time they want to take over and have us under them.If you go over their oaths and rituals and know that as the MING dynasty represents han chinese and that the QING dynasty represents the nonchinese that let them into which ever country that they have immigrated to then you realise that they want revenge against us too. Kill the QING, extirminate the QING,destroy the QING etc.... is all in there. Not knowing that the QING represent nonchinese thenit is very odd when you go over their oaths and rituals that they are mostly to do with doing ill towards the QING. The QING were nomadic tribes much like the Mongolians and were considered FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians. What do they call us in cantonese ? LO FAN ? LO mean man and this FAN means FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. To test if FAN is derogatory try calling them WONG FAN as WONG means yellow and look into their eyes and see their reaction. They also call us GWAILO and as GWAI means devil it means devil man. Black peopel are HAK GWAI with HAK meaning black. Try calling one WING GWAI and look at the anger in their eyes. I did the other day when one called me a GWAILO. I told him that if he doesn't like Canadians he can go back to China and work the rice fields.


Quote from: "Obvious Li"not much for conspiracy theories however consider the following anecdotal comments....



1. 20 years ago you would be hard pressed to find an asian face in small town alta/sask (except the local chinese cafe).....today you would be challenged to find a quicky mart/corner store/gas bar not owned by asians...even in small towns of a couple hundred people...they now own most of the small businesses across wide swaths of the country....what will it look like 20 years hence ?????



2. the recent reports of chinese buying up vast tracts of farmland across the praries to produce raw  food stocks destined to be shipped directly to the motherland for processing and sale at home.......what happens when the majority of the food being grown in the Canadian agricultural heartland is being shipped directly overseas....what do we eat ????



3. Massive asian ownership of canada's oil industry with one purpose...to ship raw crude home for processing and sale in the motherland.......at what point do chinese companies start bringing chinese labor with them under treaty provisions negotiated in some grand free trade arrangement....what happens to canadian jobs on canadian soil ??????



4. Asian ownership of the north american telecommunications networks....are they really spies or just low cost providers of equipment    ?????



4. Asian ownership of many mines in canada producing commodity minerals for shipping home....also bringing their labor with them. why ?????



AND: now we hear that china wants treaties signed with canada ASAP that basically protects them from having the Canadian government do anything should they finally wake up and find Canada being shipped overseas piece by piece or jobs taken in Canada by foreigners on a massive scale under treaty protection.....can anyone envision a time when china as a superpower would simply send force to Canada to enforce treaty provisions should Canada say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH at some point.....surely the USA has done so for half a century to protect it's treaty interests......conspiracy anyone or just business as usual just with a different colored skin behind it


There is even a bigger picture here. We are seeing a lowering of living standards, lower expectations for improvements on lifestyle, no more upward mobility [middle class!] throughout the world due to staggering economies. This is further frustrated by an influx of cheap unskilled labour which is killing everything the unions fought over at the beginning of the last century. Conspiracy? Hmmm. It is my considered opinion that there is a plan  to enslave us all withing a new global order but first we must see the collapse of the old one. This is what is taking place. A technocratic controlled slave system with fascist totalitarian China as enforcers for this global order.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 16, 2012, 09:04:39 PM
How many of this Chinese parties politicians are tong members who have taken the oaths and rituals that I have mentioned on this thread and on the oaths and rituals thread ? If not all then nearly all. So you have a anti Canadian party whose loyalty is to China. One woudl have to be as dumb as Romero to not see a serious issue here. Here is yet another tactic in their multi facetted attack. They need us clueless though and like us that way. I was told that back in 1999. They prefer people that don't understand them.For example during the cultural revolution 1966-1976 Mao Tse Tung would only allow foreign diplomats into China that could not speak chinese and had no experience in China.


Quote from: "Securious"BC has now its own Chinese Political Party [exclusively for Chinese elected to council]. Serious-minded contenders for the Vote in BC...next step/Parliament? ....you'betcha
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 17, 2012, 01:12:52 AM
Quote from: "Securious"BC has now its own Chinese Political Party [exclusively for Chinese elected to council]. Serious-minded contenders for the Vote in BC...next step/Parliament? ....you'betcha




[size=150] The Alliance Party[/size]

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/canada/story.html?id=72d78378-ad42-4ebe-ad3a-0d1771d32897
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 17, 2012, 11:43:06 AM
[size=150]Feds Willing To Expand CSIS Madate[/size]

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/13/feds-willing-to-expand-csis-mandate
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 17, 2012, 11:55:26 AM
[size=150]What David Kilgour Has To Say..[/size]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/davidvsdavid/nexen-shouldn-t-allow-foreign-control-canadian-business-203154992.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 18, 2012, 08:29:21 AM
U.S. review said to find no evidence of Huawei spying



SAN FRANCISCO — Reuters



Published Thursday, Oct. 18 2012, 6:01 AM EDT



A White House-ordered review of security risks posed by suppliers to U.S. telecommunications companies found no clear evidence that Huawei Technologies Ltd. had spied for China, two people familiar with the probe told Reuters...................
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
[size=150]Exclusively!! A Case Of Mandarin-Speaking Jobs Only/In BC Mining[/size]



[size=150]Ad for Mandarin-speaking miners draws fire[/size]



By Michael Smyth, The Province October 16, 2012



The Province





When Premier Christy Clark announced more than $1 billion of Chinese investment in B.C. coal mining last year, she bragged that thousands of jobs would be created in the province as a result.



But she didn't mention one of the apparent requirements for landing some of those jobs: the ability to speak Chinese.



Online want ads from some of the Chinese mining companies setting up shop in B.C. say they're looking for workers with routine qualifications, like experience in mining, a training certificate or a college degree.



But several ads also contain this line: "Other languages: Mandarin."



"In 40 years in the mining industry, I've never seen an ability to speak Mandarin mentioned in a want ad for a job in a Canadian mine," fumes Steve Hunt, western director of the United Steelworkers union.



"A requirement like that would immediately eliminate 98 per cent of Canadian job applicants."



The Chinese mining companies recently won federal approval to bring hundreds of temporary foreign workers into B.C., arguing not enough Canadian workers possess the skills to do the work.



But Hunt wonders if the Chinese companies truly wanted to hire Canadians, when they list Mandarin as a language requirement in their help-wanted ads.



"It's a set-up," said Hunt, whose union is considering legal action to stop the introduction of the Chinese workers.



Janet Yan, a spokeswoman for one of the Chinese companies that ran the online want ads, said she was surprised the ability to speak Mandarin was included.



"We want to hire skilled underground miners, not people who speak Mandarin," said Yan, of HD Mining International. "We will double-check this."



But Yan did not return repeated followup phone calls and emails on Monday.



HD Mining is developing a coal mine near Tumbler Ridge, one of four B.C. projects by a Chinese-backed consortium. About 200 federally approved Chinese workers will soon arrive to work on the projects, part of a first wave of up to 2,000 temporary Chinese miners.



Other want ads mentioning Mandarin language skills for B.C. coal-mining jobs have been placed by the Canadian arms of Chinese companies Dehua International and Kailuan Dehua Mines.



The B.C. government said it's concerned Mandarin language skills are included in the ads.



"It's certainly not acceptable for that to be a requirement for a job in British Columbia," said Labour Minister Pat Bell, who has asked the companies involved for a "clarification" of their ads.



But Bell also said the Chinese companies have told him that early phases of the mine projects require highly skilled and specialized workers who aren't available in Canada.



"This is a unique situation for the next six to eight months," Bell said. "Once those mines go into full production, I expect those jobs will be filled by British Columbians first and Canadians second."



But Bell said he still wants an explanation of why Mandarin language skills are mentioned in the ads, adding a lack of Chinese-speaking workers in Canada would not be considered grounds for approval of temporary workers being allowed into the country.





Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/life/Mandarin+speaking+miners+draws+fire/7395942/story.html#ixzz29fjeWWCY
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"U.S. review said to find no evidence of Huawei spying



SAN FRANCISCO — Reuters



Published Thursday, Oct. 18 2012, 6:01 AM EDT



A White House-ordered review of security risks posed by suppliers to U.S. telecommunications companies found no clear evidence that Huawei Technologies Ltd. had spied for China, two people familiar with the probe told Reuters...................






...had spied?

perhaps the tense could be changed to: about to
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 01:33:54 PM
   

 

The Alliance for Accountable Governance (AFAG) is calling for Chinese telecom infrastructure and device vendor, Huawei Techologies Ghana Limited to be kicked out of the country because of their alleged illegal involvement the country's politics.



Documental evidence from AFAG indicates Huawei provides sponsorship to the ruling National Democratic Congress (NDC) in the form of party paraphernalia, which contravenes the Political Party's Act, Act 574 of Ghana.



AFAG provided invoices to journalists showing Huawei printed NDC paraphernalia such as t-shirts, key holders, and handkerchiefs with two Chinese-based companies to the tune of about US$150,000 between March and July 2012.



The first invoice from Chinaband International Limited dated March 3, 2012 showed that Huawei paid US$62,698 for 50,000 t-shirts bearing the picture of the late President John Evans Ata Mills and the NDC logo (the umbrella). Huawei Ghana received the consignment on May 9, 2012.



Another invoice from Chinaband International Limited, dated April 3, 2012, also showed Huawei paid US$34,794.21 for 25,000 t-shirts bearing the picture of the sitting President John Dramani Mahama, and Huawei received that consignment on July 26, 2012, two days after the death of President Ata Mills.



The third invoice was dated May 5, 2012 and it was from Richfile Industrial (Shenzhen) Company Limited; it showed that Huawei paid US$42,040 for 30,000 t-shirts, 20,000 handkerchiefs and 10,000 key holders bearing the pictures of NDC logo, late President Ata Mills, and the Ghana flag.



Recently the government of Ghana gave Huawei some US$43 million tax exemption on a US$150 million e-government project that Huawei is undertaking in Ghana. That exemption generated heated debate in Parliament, but Huawei said in an email to Adom News they are not the only beneficiaries of tax exemptions in Ghana, and besides they paid some US$9million tax in 2011.



AFAG also alleged that Huawei has been sponsoring some NDC officials on private and partisan trips to China, and that government may have offered Huawei the e-government project in exchange for those favours.



Meanwhile, Hauwei Ghana Public Relations Director, Geoffrey Lichenhui had earlier said in his email to Adom Newss "Huawei is never involved in politics...", but the evidence seems to contradict that claim.



The Huawei Group itself has issues of alleged security breaches and corruption hanging around its head all over the world.



Huawei recently lost all government contracts in the USA and Australia for allegedly installing equipment to spy on those countries for China. They are being investigated in the EU for alleged financial support from Chinese government, that enables them to offer services at ridiculously cheaper and flexible rates and thereby win contracts over other major telecom infrastructure vendors.



Reliable sources from Nigeria told this reporter Huawei did was able to win contracts from government and telcos with heavy financial backing from the Chinese Exim Bank, which enabled them to finance and build infrastructure on long-term loan basis.



Huawei was said to have leveraged on that to demand a longer-term revenue share arrangements from the beneficiaries of its support, beside the repayment of the loan. It is yet to be confirmed if they have a similar deal in Ghana with regards to the e-government project.



In June this year, two Huawei officers were sentenced to 10 years in prison for bribery and corruption in Algeria, but the two have since been whisked away from Algeria to China, and Huawei has refused to return them to Algeria to face the law.



Bright Acheampong of AFAG told Adom News the support Huawei gave to NDC is a clear violation of Sections 23(1) and 24 the Political Parties' Act, Act 574, which stated that "only a citizen may contribute whether in cash or in kind to the fund of a political party."



Section 24 also states that "A non-citizen shall not directly or indirectly make a contribution or donation or loan whether in cash or in kind to the funds held by or for the benefit of a political party and no political party or person acting for or on behalf of a political party shall demand or accept a contribution donation or loan from a non-citizen".  

Political Party's Act Violated  

NDC Logo

 

AFAG said to the extent that NDC and Huawei had violated the Political Party's Act, the party must be made to face the penalties as provided in Section 25(1 and 2) of the Act.



Section 25 (1) says "where any person contravenes section 23 or 24, in addition to any penalty that may be imposed under this Act, any amount whether in cash or in kind paid in contravention of the section shall be forfeited to the State and the amount shall be recovered from the political party as debt owed to the State. The political party or person in whose custody the amount is for the time being held shall pay it to the State."



Section 25 (2) states that "A non-citizen found guilty of contravention of section 24 shall be deemed to be a prohibited immigrant and liable to deportation under the Aliens Act, 1963 (Act 160)".



Bright Acheampong is therefore insisting that the state should take possession of everything Huawei gave to NDC, and Huawei and its Chinese officials should be deported from Ghana with immediate effect.



He hinted that if the law does not take its course, AFAG would take further steps to ensure that law is upheld fully.



Vice President of IMANI Ghana, Kofi Bentil said AFAG did the right thing, but the onus is on them to carry the issue further and go to court and ensure that Huawei and NDC faced the law.



When Adom News reached NDC Propaganda Secretary, Richard Quarshigah, he agreed to provide a response but later did not pick his phone.



Huawei officials also asked for more time to prepare a response after studying the issues raised by AFAG.



The company is undertaking a US$150 million e-government project in Ghana, in spite of security concerns raised in other jurisdiction. They also supply data devices like modems, routers and handsets to all six telecom operators in Ghana.



Huawei is currently gearing up to launch its brand of smart devices, like smartphone and tablets in Ghana later this month.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: "Securious"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"U.S. review said to find no evidence of Huawei spying



SAN FRANCISCO — Reuters



Published Thursday, Oct. 18 2012, 6:01 AM EDT



A White House-ordered review of security risks posed by suppliers to U.S. telecommunications companies found no clear evidence that Huawei Technologies Ltd. had spied for China, two people familiar with the probe told Reuters...................




...had spied?

perhaps the tense could be changed to: about to


Lets not fool ourselves shall we. This company is fully underwriten & operated by their PRC'Government to put a fine point on things.,lets not forget that,K. The US was showing prudent diligence In my view as should Canada also. To say that they wont is simply stupid and assinine. Yheir is evidence that this is already happening around the world in Africa for example. I have posted an article about that. No, the US did the right thing.Wake up Canada.





the [umm] Leak:



White House: Huawei Wasn't Spying for China

Leslie Horn



Reuters has inside Government sources telling them that Huawei hasn't been spying on China's behalf, but it's still wary of the rapidly growing Chinese telecom.[/b



]Last week a U.S. House Intelligence Committee report declared Huawei and ZTE national security risks after an 18-month probe. The White House is standing by that conclusion, but at the same time, it declared that it's not the safest bet to use Huawei equipment, spying or no spying.



And the verdict is out as to whether Huawei, the second-biggest supplier of networking gear in the world, is totally innocent or just playing dumb. There are security vulnerabilities placed in its products that could have been placed there on purpose and there have been reports of suspicious activity, just no hard evidence of spying,yet.



But this fear of this Chinese companies probably won't stop anytime soon—U.S. officials involved in these investigations have made mention of a secret "annex" of information that could suggest they really do have evidence of shady dealings from Huawei. But perhaps it's too sensitive to release.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 02:02:20 PM
some comments on [leak]:





discussions in response to Leslie Horn



*But don't forget, Huawei is one of the suppliers who manufacture the equipment for Great Firewall of China that makes you cannot access to Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.

 

*I'd be intrigued to see how deep into the firmware the various agencies have delved...or how it maybe linked to the Presidential election, ahem.

 

*China is one monolithic entity and everyone in it tows the party line regardless of purpose.

 

*Every time I go to china my communications and movements are monitored very closely. I have met people there whose job it was to do this. I think people don't quite understand how willing china is to make sure they are in the know. I also don't think most people understand how much manpower they can throw at this!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 18, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
QuoteChinese miners being recruited to work in Canada are paying more than $12,500 CAD for the privilege, The Tyee has learned, and their actual wages are less than those advertised.



---



The United Steelworkers' Union has said on its website; since 50,000 workers have died in Chinese mines since 2011, according to China Mine Disaster Watch, B.C. has nothing to learn from China's practices.



Frank Everitt, president of USW Local 1-424 said the claim B.C. doesn't have the expertise to run the mines does not excuse the recruitment of foreign workers.



"I just think it's shameful, I think there are enough people in Northern B.C. that they could recruit for the mine," said Everitt.



"It's not that we haven't done it, it's just that nobody has put the resources to it and it's a scam to bring guest workers in."



The USW published advertisements looking for miners on its website that specified Mandarin speakers were preferred, alleging the requirement was meant specifically to make the case there were not enough qualified applicants to justify bringing in foreign workers.



//http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/10/18/Chinese-Temp-Miners/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 08:49:16 PM


 

The recent presence of Chinese marine surveillance ships near the islands has heightened tensions China is set to conduct naval exercises in the East China Sea, state media report, amid heightened tensions over islands disputed with Japan.



They are aimed at "sharpening response to emergencies in missions to safeguard territorial sovereignty", said Xinhua.



China, Japan and Taiwan all claim the islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China.



Japan's recent acquisition of them from a private Japanese owner sparked violent protests in China.



Naval ships and vessels from the marine surveillance agency and fishery administration would be involved in Friday's exercises, Xinhua reported, citing a naval statement.



The presence of marine surveillance ships and fisheries patrol vessels near the islands in recent weeks has heightened tensions.



Cherish the relationship?

 

Japan's Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba says his government's decision to purchase the islands was pragmatic.



"The situation could have been much worse, if the government didn't buy the islands," he told the BBC.



Mr Gemba blamed Tokyo's right-wing governor, Shintaro Ishihara, saying his original plan to buy the islands had been much more provocative.



Japan-China disputed islands

The archipelago consists of five islands and three reefs

Japan, China and Taiwan claim them; they are controlled by Japan and form part of Okinawa prefecture

The Japanese government signed a deal in September 2012 to purchase three islands from Japanese businessman Kunioki Kurihara, who used to rent them out to the Japanese state

The islands were the focus of a major diplomatic row between Japan and China in 2010



That may be hard to believe, says the BBC's Japan correspondent Mariko Oi, as the wave of demonstrations in China crippled Japanese businesses and disrupted business with Japan's largest trading partner.



While he emphasised Japan's sovereignty over the islands, Mr Gemba said it was crucial for both countries to prevent the situation escalating further.



"Our economies are interdependent and we want to cherish the mutually beneficial relationship," he said.



Last month, Japan and China traded barbs at the United Nations over the islands, with China accusing Japan of stealing them and Japan reiterating its territorial claim.



The row has also seen a ceremony meant to mark Sino-Japanese ties cancelled and a number of Japanese businesses briefly halt production in some Chinese cities because of protests.



It comes at a time when both countries are facing political changes domestically, making it difficult for either side to be seen as backing down.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 09:07:47 PM
[size=200]Chinese Less Than Frank Over The Issue Of Their Miners[/size]

http://www.theprovince.com/life/Jobs+commitment+Chinese+mining+firms+hazy/7408248/story.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 09:26:27 PM
[size=150]Chinese On-Line Fraud [/size]



http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048386.htm
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 09:51:13 PM
Ah Yes ! The Cheap & Chearful Chinese Made Products



[size=150]Beware of cheap Chinese products

'Made in China' = 'Buyer Beware'
[/size]






Over the years, low-priced products from China started flooding in to the world market in every segment including consumer goods and electronics. We always wonder about how they can sell it so cheap. The answer is here. Chinese manufacturers can afford to price their products so competitively because of a number of factors as listed below.



•Primarily, the raw materials used are of the worst quality.

•They are not investing on research or innovation; they simply copy the products of established brands.

•They are not spending for customer support or after sales service.

•They are not spending money for advertising or marketing.

•Mass production

When we buy Chinese made product we are putting our health and our children's health in danger. Almost 90% of the chinese products which we find in the market are substandard. Since there are no strict quality checking methods in china, the manufacturers are able to adulterate products.The only way to keep ourselves safe is to avoid Chinese products.



Chinese food products remain under scrutiny after the melamine milk scandal in 2008.Official reports say there were 3,00,000 victims including six infants dying from kidney stones and close to 1000 babies hospitalized. Melamine appeared to have been added to milk in order to make it appear to have higher protein content. This incident damaged the reputation of China's food exports and as a result, at least 12 countries banned Chinese dairy products with India banning chinese chocolates too. The World Health Organization referred to the incident as one of the largest food safety events it had had to deal with in recent years. Prior to this, United States banned chinese pet food after discovering melamine content. Tinned foods and children's snacks were found to have added with six times the permitted levels of preservatives. Candied fruits were found with 63 times the permitted amount of sweeteners.



China's toy industry has come under close scrutiny since millions of goods were recalled globally amid fears they were made with toxic lead paints and had design flaws. Studies revealed that the highest content of lead was found in products like teethers for newborn and toddlers. As a result, countries including India banned chinese toys, which caused shutdown of over a thousand toy factories in china. Later India lifted the ban, but imposed strict demands for product safety guarantees. Tires manufactured in china lacks essential safety component which can cause the tyre to split apart at higher speeds. Some chinese toothpastes were found containing toxic chemicals. Even footwears, cosmetics, hairbuns etc. are made of cheap quality raw materials.



Can we afford to buy Chinese products which have been proven again and again to be poisonous? Can we trust a government who still allows us to buy these hazardous products?



We always speak loud against terrorism, this is much worse than terrorism. We don't want to poison ourselves after spending money from our pocket. Now 'Made in China' looks like 'Buyer Beware'.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 18, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
I just read the fascinating book  Poorly Made In China  by Paul Midler. Paul Midler has two  masters degrees. One in business and one in Asian studies. He was in areas of Cina that I am very familiar with. I learned alot about the manufacturing industry in China and now have a deeper understanding of why so many foreign manufacturers are pulling out of China now. It is telling that as he understands the manufacturing industry in China  very well he is afraid to go on a ferris wheel in China that has been built there.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 18, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
help with the forensics."



He insisted the hackers were based in China, something the Chinese government has rejected.



Earlier this week, its embassy in Canada said "cyberattacks are transnational and anonymous. It is irresponsible to prejudge the origin of attacks without thorough investigation and hard evidence."



The embassy added that China's government "strictly prohibits" hacking and "stands ready to step up international co-operation in this field."



RIM a 'huge target'

"The Chinese government ought to go to that location and get those computers and work with the Canadian government to help solve what happened here," he said.



Shields has alleged that Chinese hackers had unfettered access to the former telecommunications giant as far back as 2000, downloaded business plans, research and development reports, employee emails and other documents.



He maintains that Canadian companies — including Waterloo, Ont.-based Research in Motion — continue to be targets.



P.O.V.

Should Ottawa help companies stop cyber attacks? Take our survey.

"Absolutely. Without a doubt. The questions you've got to ask is, is there something of value? Companies, for example, like RIM [are] a huge target. They ought to worry about this stuff. And anybody else that is in technology or oil exploration. This is economic espionage. It truly is."



Corporate espionage is a growing problem for North American companies, with the majority of attacks coming from China.



Last November, a group of U.S. analysts said there were as many as 12 different Chinese groups participating in cyberattacks on U.S. companies and government agencies.



During BHP Billiton's hostile takeover bid for Saskatchewan's PotashCorp, hackers traced to China targeted Bay Street law firms and other companies to get insider information on the $38-billion corporate takeover.



Those same hackers also targeted Canadian government computers in fall 2010, targeting the Finance Department, the Treasury Board, and Defence Research and Development Canada, a civilian agency of the Department of National Defence.



"It's very personal to me because I'm very sad-hearted about what happened to so many of my friends, to this once great Canadian company," Shields told As it Happens.



"I was very proud to work there for so many years. I used to say it was the best job in the world."



[late, but on time, Dave]
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 19, 2012, 11:50:39 AM
[size=200]Beligerant China Continues Naval War Warning[/size]







Terrorism & Security

China's naval exercises in East China Sea send warning to regional rivals

Chinese naval exercises today simulated a conflict in disputed waters. Tensions between China and Japan have been mounting over claims to a set of islands in the East China Sea.




By Ariel Zirulnick, Staff writer / October 19, 2012





 Vessels roam the waters of East China Sea during a naval drill Friday. The Chinese navy conducted a joint exercise with the country's fishery administration and marine surveillance agency in the East China Sea.



China Daily/Reuters



A daily summary of global reports on security issues.



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China held naval exercises in the East China Sea today in a robust show of military force intended to warn regional rivals against escalating territorial disputes.



China regularly holds maritime drills in the fall, but "sources close to the military" said the drills were related to a territorial dispute that has been the source of recent flare-up between China and Japan, the Financial Times reports.



Japan and China have long been at odds over a string of islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, but tensions ratcheted up last month when the Japanese government agreed to buy three of the islands that were privately owned by a Japanese businessman. The incident brought relations between the countries to a 40-year low and prompted the cancellation of celebrations planned for last month to fete the 40th anniversary of diplomatic relations, as The Christian Science Monitor reported in an in-depth report on the dispute last month.



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"Relations are worse than they have ever been in 40 years," Liu Jiangyong, a professor of Japanese politics at Tsinghua University in Beijing, told the Monitor. "I don't see much chance of a war; but I think Japan is preparing for one, and we should, too."



The Japanese government said that the intent was not to challenge China, but to prevent the islands' sale to the governor of Tokyo, a vocal nationalist who might have used them to antagonize China. The explanation did not quiet Chinese anger.



The exercises also come on the heels of visits earlier this week by Japanese opposition leader Shinzo Abe as well as two cabinet ministers to the controversial Yasukuni shrine. The shrine, which honors Japan's war dead – among them 14 class A war criminals convicted after World War II – is seen in China as a "symbol of Japan's military atrocities" during its decades-long occupation of much of the region until Japan's defeat in 1945, Bloomberg reports.



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Chinese news agency Xinhua said the officials' visit "would further poison bilateral ties" and "added insult to injury," according to Bloomberg.



Drills like those held today are a routine event, but military sources told the Financial Times "this drill could only be read as directed at the island crisis."



"This exercise will simulate a situation where foreign law enforcement vessels obstruct and interfere with our maritime surveillance and fisheries administration vessels on a mission to safeguard maritime rights and enforce the law," said state media, referring to a statement from the East Sea Fleet which is participating in the drill.



According to the statement, the simulated scenario includes a collision in which the Chinese ships are damaged and some patrol staff are hurt and fall into the water. The East Sea Fleet then "sends a frigate, a hospital ship, a tugboat, advanced fighters and helicopters for support, cover and emergency rescue."



...



"With this content, this drill must be seen in the context of the Diaoyu Islands," said a source familiar with the military's intentions.



According to Xinhua, the Navy held the exercises with the fishery administration and marine surveillance agency in order to "improve coordination" and their ability to respond to emergencies. Eleven vessels and eight aircraft were involved in the effort.



The Associated Press reports that Japan plans to hold similar drills with the US later this year centered around a theoretical challenge of "taking a remote island back from a foreign intruder."



Multiple experts interviewed by the Monitor said that they don't think either country wants to go to war. The real cause for concern is that it would take little to tip the countries into open conflict with tensions at a slow boil for so long, and both taking steps to intimidate the other.



So far, hostilities have been limited to water-cannon duels, as happened Sept. 24 between Japanese and Taiwanese Coast Guard vessels. But "when you have that many boats sailing around, the potential for mishap is quite high," points out Bonnie Glaser, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.



The danger, adds Valérie Niquet, a China analyst at the Foundation for Strategic Research, a think tank in Paris, is that a collision, a sinking, or a fatality "could start something that would be difficult to stop," especially since China and Japan have no procedures in place to handle maritime crises.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 19, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
[size=150]Beligerant China Report, CTV[/size]



http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/china-holds-military-exercise-amid-island-dispute-with-japan-1.1001958
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 19, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
Obvious may want to check in here> I have been reporting on China's belligerence at sea for some time now. Their economy is on the skids [by design I might add] and yes this is a cover up to some degree, well timed, but it also bolsters Nationalism and Chinese pride. At some point troops will be  engaged [not if-but when] and Canada should do the smart and correct thing declaring its position before its too late. That stalwart courageous Canadian friendship & bravery, much lauded over the decades needs to be presented again for our friends, Japan. Time to drop the swooning, the incessant rhetoric on heroism and parades and show we mean business; China needs to know where our allegiances are right now!



my two cents
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 19, 2012, 03:39:54 PM
http://www.theprovince.com/life/Jobs+commitment+Chinese+mining+firms+hazy/7408248/story.html



Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 19, 2012, 03:41:38 PM
I was just talking to a Vietnamese woman. She told me that the reason why Chinese men are so ignorant when I a white guy speaks chinese is because they are afraid that  I am stealing THEIR women and that Chinese think that we are stupid. I already knew that. They sure want to live with us though. They believe that we are stupid for not understanding how evil they are. I heard a tong member refer to the head tax liek we are so evil but if you understand their oaths and rituals [ FAN QING FU MING ] then obviously our greatgrandparents weren't so stupid. They could see what the Chinese were up to. Many Canadians like Romero can't believe what's happening no matter how well it is explained to them. It is no wonde that the chinese think that we are stupid. They don't call the British stupid
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 19, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
This is interesting. The son of a British Hong Kong police inspector told me a number of years after handover that the post handover HKPD brought in a rule that applicants must be able to read and write Chinese in order to apply successfully to weed out any nonchinese applicants. I see that they are trying to do this here. When they are pulling tactics on us here  it should be quite obvious as to wether these new Canadiscams like us or not. This Naishun Lee who owns the mine ,did he forget to tell our immigration officials how he really feels about Canada and Canadians ?




Quote from: "Securious"http://www.theprovince.com/life/Jobs+commitment+Chinese+mining+firms+hazy/7408248/story.html



Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 19, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
[size=200]All Eyes On NEXEN[/size]

 Energy With Petronas-Progress review set to end, all eyes on CNOOC-Nexen

By Lauren Krugel, Canadian Press | Oct 19, 2012






.At $6-billion, Petronas' offer for natural gas producer Progress is substantial, but it's eclipsed by the $15.1-billion China National Offshore Oil Co. is offering for Nexen.



.CALGARY — With a federal review of a Malaysian state-owned company's takeover of Progress Energy Resources set to end Friday, observers are looking for signals about the government's thinking on a Chinese firm's larger — and more controversial — deal to buy Nexen Inc.



Both takeovers are by Asian state-owned players, are worth billions of dollars and sprung from joint-venture partnerships with Canadian firms, but the Chinese bid has stoked a great deal more political furor than the Malaysian one.



"China comes with more baggage, as befits a great power," said Gordon Houlden, director of the University of Alberta's China Institute.



At $6-billion, Petronas' offer for natural gas producer Progress  is substantial, but it's eclipsed by the $15.1-billion China National Offshore Oil Co. is offering for Nexen.



Political scientist Wenran Jiang says the challenge for Ottawa will be to show consistency in how it applies the Investment Canada Act's key net benefit test to foreign deals.



"They will have to appear that they use the same set of rules to evaluate, rather than using different tailor-made rules," said the senior fellow at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada.



"They will have to show some seriousness as well as consistency."



The review of the Petronas-Progress deal is to run until Friday, unless it's extended again. Industry Minister Christian Paradis has extended the review of the CNOOC-Nexen deal until mid-November. The reviews can be extended by further 30-day increments, with the buyer's consent.



Jiang said the perception of Chinese firms compared with other state-owned counterparts is unfair in many ways.



"The Chinese state-owned companies are considered more menacing in a sense by some people than say a national oil company of Malaysia," he said.



"We need to figure out how do we treat China? Is this potentially treating China as an enemy? Or do you treat China as a business partner?"



While the University of Alberta's Houlden doesn't see a direct relationship between the Progress and Nexen reviews, he said a positive decision by Ottawa tomorrow would be "mildly reassuring" to the Chinese giant.



A year before their acquisition deal was announced, Progress and Petronas formed a partnership to jointly develop shale natural gas in northeastern B.C. and look at exporting the gas off the West Coast in liquid form.



CNOOC and Nexen also had a pre-existing relationship. Last year, CNOOC scooped up Opti Canada, Nexen's beleaguered minority partner in its troubled Long Lake oilsands project. The two firms also worked together in the Gulf of Mexico.



While Nexen's headquarters are in Calgary, its strategic importance to Canada is questionable. Only about 30 per cent of its forecasted daily production in 2012 is from its Canadian operations, with the vast majority coming from offshore platforms in the North Sea and elsewhere around the globe.



"I don't see these companies as being that material to the Canadian landscape," said John Stephenson, portfolio manager at First Asset Investment Management in Toronto.



"The government, I would suspect, would give its blessing to both deals...If you look at our oil and gas industry, we need hundreds of billions of dollars to develop the resource, to do the infrastructure. We just simply don't have the ability to finance all of that here."



Canada's spy agency raised a red flag on foreign investment by state-owned firms in its annual report earlier this year.



Though CSIS didn't name specific countries or companies it said certain state-owned enterprises have pursued what it called opaque agendas or received clandestine intelligence support for their pursuits in Canada.



Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said the Nexen-CNOOC deal "raises a range of difficult policy questions."



At a news conference in Senegal last week, he said there's a national security angle that factors into Canada's relationship with China.



"The relationship with China is important. At the same time it's complex. It's complex because the Chinese have obviously very different systems than we do — economic and political systems," he said.



"Of course, as you know, there's a national-security dimension to this relationship, in fact to all of our activities, that we take very seriously."



While the NDP doesn't have a position specifically on the Petronas-Progress takeover, it has raised a litany of national security, environmental and human rights concerns with the CNOOC deal.



What the two deals have in common, though, is that the federal review process is too secretive and doesn't set out clear enough guidelines on what constitutes a net benefit, said NDP natural resources critic Peter Julian in an interview.



"There is a deplorable process in place. It's a mess," he said.



"It's difficult for Canadians to determine whether it's in the best interest of the country because they haven't put forward that clear definition of net benefit and a process that allows for public consultations."





my opine..[dont make deals with the devil] S
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 19, 2012, 04:22:46 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"I was just talking to a Vietnamese woman. She told me that the reason why Chinese men are so ignorant when I a white guy speaks chinese is because they are afraid that  I am stealing THEIR women and that Chinese think that we are stupid. I already knew that. They sure want to live with us though. They believe that we are stupid for not understanding how evil they are. I heard a tong member refer to the head tax liek we are so evil but if you understand their oaths and rituals [ FAN QING FU MING ] then obvfiously our greatgrandparents weren't so stupid. They could see what the Chinese were up to. Many Canadians like Romero can't believe what's happening no matter how well it is explained to them. It is no wonde that the chinese think that we are stupid. They don't call the British stupid

Quote"On behalf of the people and government of Canada, we offer a full apology to Chinese-Canadians for the head tax and express our deepest sorrow for the subsequent exclusion of Chinese immigrants."



With those words from Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Chinese immigrants who paid a head tax to enter this country, their spouses and their descendants finally heard a long-awaited apology.



"To give substantive meaning to today's apology the government of Canada will offer symbolic payments to living head tax payers and living spouses of deceased payers," Harper announced in the House of Commons.



The government will also fund community projects, he said.



He acknowledged the contributions made by the thousands of Chinese who helped to build the national railway and said Canada turned its back on them when it imposed the head tax.



"We also recognize that our failure to truly acknowledge these historical injustices has prevented many in the community from seeing themselves as fully Canadian," Harper said.



//http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=b902615e-3dfc-4fda-b843-feed3f45514f&k=37539
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 19, 2012, 04:45:11 PM
I think it timely to mention the real Truth regarding the Chinese who came over here to build our railway. They weren't the only peoples who came here BTW, but by and large, the only ones to gain media attention [curious isn't it]. It so happens there was an ulterior motive in gaining a foothold in Canada using the railway building jobs as just an entry point. The real purpose being Gold & Jade. I have traveled extensively along the Gold Trail/Fraser Canyon and talked to the folks there and they exclaim a different tale, far removed from the media drivel we have come to know as the Truth, the story we are told in our schools.

Greed and  selfishness was the real truth. Gold Mountain was well known to the Chinese. BC was the place to be to get rich. Get a job on the railway then jump at the earliest opportunity and search for gold and Jade. All along the trail evidence of this gold digging and jade hauling was found. Old workings still in evidence. So quite with the misty eyed notion of altruism and insensitivity towards our Chinese people when they howled for pity and retribution ....They don't deserve it. And the height of insults was that we Canadians must apologize for their mistreatment...What a joke. They weren't treated any differently than any other ethnic group.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 19, 2012, 06:33:50 PM
I heard a tong member complain briefly about the head tax last week. It is interesting that they don't feel the slightest guilt about at least two states having every single foreigner killed including women and children. That's okay with them.Their genociding the Tibetans that's all okay with them. Our great grandfathers generation were allowed to use common sense. One doesn't need to speak fluent chinese, know their history and have been over their oaths and rituals to know that they hate us and want to take over whichever nation that they have asked to let them immigrate to. Does FAN QING FU MING ring a bell ? What about KILL THING QING, EXTIRMINATE THE QING and DESTROY THE QING ? Yes this same man who mentioned the head tax would have sworn these oaths and 100% knows that the QING in Canada means GWAILO''s or LOFAN
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 19, 2012, 06:42:55 PM
Why would you be hanging around with a tong member?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 19, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
Romero, is it possible for you ever to not be out of this world stupid ? :?:
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 19, 2012, 06:53:50 PM
"Tong members want to take over Canada and they want to kill us! Anyway, I was hanging out with some Tong member and we had a friendly discussion on the head tax."



Bullshit. You've never talked to any Tong members.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on October 19, 2012, 07:38:33 PM
QuoteThe new China investment deal that Prime Minister Stephen Harper inked in Russia and that will become law by Nov 1 could be "a 31-year ball and chain on Canada," without critical changes says Gus Van Harten, a Toronto-based global legal authority on investment trade deals.



Moreover the agreement, part of Harper's aggressive agenda to sell Canadian energy and mining resources to the world's second largest economy, will make it easier for China's powerful state-owned enterprises (SOE's) such as Sinopec, (Asia's largest refiner) the Kailuan Group (a coal conglomerate) and CNOOC (a national oil company) to control the pace and scale of resource development in Canada.



The Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) also gives China's state owned enterprises, already under fire for corruption and inefficiency, the right to contest any Canadian standards that might stipulate the use of Canadian labour and materials in resource projects.



"The deal in effect gives risk insurance to Chinese companies borne by Canadian taxpayers. Taxpayers assume major liability for business losses of Chinese investors due to legal or regulatory changes in Canada," explains Van Harten, who has sent a letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper (published here on The Tyee) and another to British Columbia Premier Christy Clark laying out his critical analysis.



//http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/10/19/Chinese-Trade-Deal/

Thanks, Harper!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 19, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
Geroge Soros!...hahahahaha
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 01:19:37 AM
edit
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 11:58:11 AM
[size=150]Chinese Walmart[/size]

http://www.apunkaweb.com/pictures/crazy-pictures/186-welcome-to-chinese-wal-mart.html



you gotta be kidding me....
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 12:35:28 PM
and all that spitting and coughing!





Darned Drooliscious
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 20, 2012, 12:46:03 PM
Almost at 1000 views ! Where is all this attention coming from  I wonder ? Clearly some enemies of Canada and Canadians are alarmed about Canadians having this knowledge :D
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 20, 2012, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: "Securious"and all that spitting and coughing!





Darned Drooliscious




i know isn't it disgusting......you'll be in some restaurant or cafe and hear someone horking up a loogie, turn around and see some gorgeous babe spit a big goober on the floor........fucking disgusting.....and the table slurping  my my
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
he he



Live! Food!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtrJV0iqkDk
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 03:02:43 PM
lunchtime!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 03:16:13 PM
they seem to like eating animals alive in China while joking that its murder.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=nIJJnabSx_g&NR=1
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 20, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
Having had a friend lose his dog to people in this tiny village who would have gone to there store regularly I have to wonder if during the Great Leap Forward [ the greatest famine of all time ] and other famines in China if as people cannot let their dogs and cats go have fun outside as someone will snatch them for a snack if during famines if saller weaker people also run the risk of getting snatched and cannibalised. If you ask anyone who was in China during 1960-1962 about their experiences then it is my experience that they go quiet and you can see that they are traumatised.  I am certain that this phenomenom must have been  going on everywhere but everybody who survived it doesn't want to talk about it.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 07:59:52 PM
There is a cult of cruelty that exists which goes far back into their history. Examples of this is recounted in the literature. People have been raised to expect it and not to be sensitive over it. Its almost as if there was and stil is a purpose from the states point of view to have a singular collective mind when called to battle, much like other species. Look at the last video clip I've presented and look at the expressions of those people. Thats real,they weren't acting, joking yes!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 09:35:58 PM
I want to make this abundantly clear about the prectise of eating human flesh as cuisine going back centuries in China-"Learned Canabalism". Anyone who says you are full of it can read this which will be a long post. This will be a rare exercise for me as i do like to  cut and paste so her's little argument. In this case I think it is important one gets the truth in its entirity, unbroken.

So please forgive this lengthy submission and understand why. No ore can there be liars that it never or doesnt exist today. Such practises can be rationalised by starvation- shere hunger, but this is a different cult, a learned practise handed down throujgh time, a preferential one whith the wealthy it seems.















From the on-line encyclopedia: Wikipedia

it reads:



Talk:Chinese cannibalism



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Here is a good English source on the subject: Key Ray Chong, Cannibalism in China, Longwood Academic: Wakefield, NH. (1990)



viii: "We need to remind ourselves that the Chinese people are not particularly different from the other races of the world as far as the practice of survival cannibalism is concerned. When it comes to learned cannibalism, however, its practice is quite different. Worthy of note here is the fact that some types of learned cannibalism are found only in China. This study will attempt to examine this unique phenomenon." "Particularly in ancient times, learned cannibalism was often practiced in China for culinary appreciation, and exotic dishes were prepared for jaded upper-class palates in times of health and/or sickness."



ix: "As late as the 19th century, it was not unusual for Chinese executioners to eat the heart and brains of the criminals they disaptch. They also ate a portion of the human meat for health reasons, but when some extra meat was left, they sold it for profit." "Li Shih-chen [DP: 1578] detailed the use of humans many times for medicinal purposes. He noted, for example, that human meat was a good cure for tuberculosis. For the same or similar purposes, he discussed in an equally detailed manner the use of human sweat, urine, sperm, breast milk, tears, dirt, nails and teeth. Even today, in the People's Republic of China, the use of human fingers, toes, nails, dried urine, feces and breast milk are strongly recommended by the government to cure certain diseases."



x: "Apart from this, the Chinese often ate their enemies out of hatred or revenge during wartime." "During World War II, hate-cannibalism is reported to have occurred in China. Later, as the civil war between the Communists and the Nationalists went on for control of China, some Communist soldiers were executed routinely in a far-interior district; and their flesh and bones were eaten out of a spirit of revenge. One American priest told of seeing a Chinese Nationalist officer cut out and eat the heart of a Chinese Communist."



xi: "In short, the Chinese are not necessarily different in any significant way from most other peoples in the world. And yet they are quite unique in the sense that there are so many examples of learned cannibalism throughout their history."



p.54: "The many instances of cannibalism in China throughout antiquity serve as a prelude to the way that the practice of cannibalism later became an integral part of Chinese culture."



pp. 55-62: listings of Chinese surival cannibalism incidents Han to Ming (about one ever 1-2 lines) "... there is little or no doubt about the practice of survival cannibalism in China."



p.79: "Cannibalism was also often involved in the punishmen of criminals in Imperial China. After having been publicly executed, the bodies of the criminals were made available for public exhibition and consumption." "In short the Chinese people used humans not only for food and medicine, but they also expressed their feelings of hatred or revenge by publicly eating the flesh and bones of their fellow men."



p. 88: "In April 882, when the price of one tou (peck of rice went up to 30 min in Chang-an the rebels captured by government troops were sold as food."



p. 105: "According to a more recent study, Chinese soldiers stationed in Taiwan before the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895 used to eat human flesh of the aborigines like pork; they could buy it at the marketplace. Human flesh was considered as a source of protein and a way to increase male sexual stamina."



p. 110: [great drought of 1876-1879] "One Western observer said that the most shocking consequence of famine was the rapid spread of cannibalism... The Roman Catholic Bishop of Shansi, ... reported... "... now they kill the living to have them for food. Husbands eat their wives. Parents eat their sons and daughters, and children eat their parents." This was confirmed by a Chinese district magistrate, who made the following observations: ... a grandson chopped his grandomother to pieces, a niece boiled and ate her own aunt ..."



p. 157: "The most popular methods for preparing human flesh were broiling, roasting, boiling and steaming. Next was pickling in salt, wine, sauce and the like.



p. 166: "We have learned that there were far more instances of learned cannibalism than of survival cannibalism... Although we have reported more instances of learned cannibalism in this book, the actual number of victims caused by survival cannibalism could be far greater."



p. 170: "The major conclusions drawn from this study are the following. Cannibalism can be classified in two categories: survival and learned cannibalism. Learned cannibalism in China is different from cannibalism elsewhere. It is unique in the sense that it is an expression of love and hatred, and a peculiar extension of Confucian doctrine."



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Isolated incidents motivated by unusual hatred and/or committed by desperate lads do not justify the use of indicative adverbs such as "often", "in general", "mostly", "not uncommon". Such over-generalized conclusions based on sporadic events have no foundation and only characterize pathetic attempts to conceive an exotically freaky national character: "Unlike other civilizations, China has a rich history of cannibalism...relatively common in China" [intro].



It's good that people here are trying to evaluate it from an objective viewpoint. However, please review the edits of user Nanshu, as s/he has had a history with articles concerning Nanjing and Unit 731.



"rich history of cannibalism"

"relatively common"

"common cooking methods of human flesh"

"Japanese historian Kuwabara Jitsuzo classified`Chinese cannibalism into the five types"

"It is not just Chinese cliche but the fact"

"The Chinese did not hesitate in humiliating corpses"

"It was not uncommon to practice cannibalism for medical purposes"

-- Fuzheado | Talk 00:40, 25 May 2004 (UTC)





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I just found out Kuwabara Jitsuzo's journal article on cannibalism (the original script in Japanese is here. Unlike other civilizations, China has a rich history of cannibalism (??). It is partly because China is the country of literature but mostly because the practice of cannibalism was relatively common in China.



China does have records of cannibalism. To define records as richer or worse than any other countries, one must research and base arguments on solid grounds.



It's not easy to provide quantitative data, but it is almost apparent. But everyone who read classisal Chinese literature notices that there are numerous records on cannibalism and that their attitude toward cannibalism was unusual.

Kuwabara said:

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????*snip* ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

?????????????? page 204

Now we realize that there are numerous records. Next, we wonder in what proportion these incidents have been reporded so that we can know. We have to consider the wealth of Chinese records. The Chinese documented even minor incidents (again, those I adopted are examples). So we can presume that the abundance of cannibalism on record partially resulted from that of documents. --Nanshu 02:17, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The following was the common cooking methods of human flesh. Note that these were usually used for animals.



1.Fu (? fu3): sliced and dried meat

2.Geng (? geng1): thick soup

3.Hai (? hai3): minced and hashed meat

4.Luan (? luan2): sliced meat

Hai was also a punishment in ancient China.



According to Kuwabara Jitsuzo's article, these are the practices of punishment for three diobeyant nobles during the infamous reign of Shang Zhou of the Shang Dynasty. Kuwabara Jitsuzo's article may have assumed readers' knowledge of Shang Zhou: this wikipedia article has left out that Shang Zhou was a tyrant and also well known for other inhumane punishments. Generalising the tortures of 3 nobles as "common cooking methods" .



 Nanshu initially claimed Kuwabara Jitsuzo's descriptions on Chinese cannibalism. As quality contributors, one should always provide reasoning and evidences for hir statements. I was only presenting what I had found on the net at that time.

This is an encyclopaedia article. Making refernce every time is needless and quite cumbersome. And I fear that English-speaking readers are annoyed by flood of non-English literature.

But it makes me happy if readers are interested in the topics I bring and are encouraged to study more about them. Shall I put reference lists on talk pages? --Nanshu 02:17, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I didn't hide emotions. My sole purpose was to sugguest you a strict way to deal with issues and documents that may have been mixed with social and political defamatory attitudes, especially those written in early and middle 20th century before and during the Sino-Japanese War.

 

The Japanese historian Kuwabara Jitsuzo classified Chinese cannibalism into the five types:



1.cannibalism during famine

2.cannibalism in besieged cities

3.eating human flesh habitually

4.cannibalism driven by animosity

5.eating human flesh as medicine



Contents [hide]

1 Cannibalism driven by animosity

2 Eating human flesh as medicine

3 Corrections

4 Vfd poll result

4.1 Chinese cannibalism

4.2 Translate please

5 Cannibalism in the Dynastic Histories

 



[edit] Cannibalism driven by animosityChinese literature often says that one ate his bitter enemy. It is not just Chinese cliche but the fact.Irate crowds often scrambled to eat executed prisoners. For example, Wang Mang, who took over the Han Dynasty, was sliced by soldiers. People humiliated his head and someone cut and ate his tongue. This practice was recognized lynch. Il Millione also records the pranctice.



Severing of Wang Mang's body was carried out by mobs during chaos.

??/??/????? ???????? --Nanshu 02:42, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I have not denied the civilian's severing of Wang Mang's body: severing of Wang Mang's body was carried out by mobs during chaos.



Confucianism encourages revenge for parents and bothers. Revenge was achieved by killing enemies, but sometimes one ate them (their hearts and livers in most cases). For example, according to the old Tang book, Wang Juncao stabbed Li Junze to avenge his father. He cut open his belly and ate his heart and liver.



The Chinese did not eat those who died naturally in general, but it was not the case when avenging the killing of his parents. Wang Ban joined Sui's expeditionary force to Chen to avenge his father on former Emperor Wu. He broke the emperor's mausoleum, burned his bone, drank it by combining it with water. He is recorded at the section of filial piety and justice in the Book of Sui. The Chinese did not hesitate in humiliating corpses but he is a special case.



[edit] Eating human flesh as medicineIt was not uncommon to practice cannibalism for medical purposes, but the Chinese established it as a filial devotion to parents. Since the middle Tang Dynasty, devoted sons cut out their thighs to let their sick parents eat them. Those sons were classified as "dutiful sons" in official and unofficial records although this practice was banned several times.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 20, 2012, 09:54:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=G0AWWdaTYak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy0UG_r4dtE&feature=related



The Communists practise of canabalism
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 20, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
Well I was just talking to an elderly Chinese woman and I asked her if she was there during 19060-1962 and she said yes.  I had been helping her with her English as she is a nice person and I didn't mind using my Chinese.  The chat eventually went to the famine of 1960-1962 and she said that she didn't experience it in the city but it was very bad in the country. I suspect that she was telling the truth as she did not seem traumatised by it like most others I have asked about this topic though I do suspect that she has experienced some of the having people follow her to snatch her for food but didn't admit it as it would be a loss of face. She said not just a few but many of her friends had experiences people following them to snatch them to kill them for food, not just a few times but lots of times. Imagine always being afraid to go out alone if you are a girl,kid or elderly or just simply small as there were people out there looking to snatch you when nobody was looking to kill you for food. She gave the motion of stabbing for killing. She said parents would threaten their kids "be good or we will eat you" As Jasper Becker wrote in his very informative book Hungry Ghosts that "the entire country was traumatised" Imagine kids couldn't go out to play. I imagine that tens of thousands did did and never were seen again,very possibly hundreds of thousands.  Imagine looking over your shoulder whenever you went out by yourself in case someone was following you. She said it happened to her friends very often.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 21, 2012, 02:11:08 AM
A Chinese  professor of Canadian history is not fully telling the whole truth about his peoples immigration to Canada. He spins a fine tale of their hard work on the railways but conveniently neglects to speak of their interest in Jade and Gold, wining awards for his showmanship, Henry Yu from Vancouver, gets the audience all nodding in unison, mesmerized and enthusiastically wriggling in their seats, when all the while he must be chuckling to himself. Here he is





http://www.jackgin.com/Henry-Yu
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 21, 2012, 07:34:05 AM
does anyone else but me think this thread is getting more than a little bizarre......or maybe it's making me hungry ????
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 21, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
As I pointed out when answering your original question Obvious Li >Miscellany, is the by-word
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 21, 2012, 12:34:59 PM
hey not so heavy on the nuts, K
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 21, 2012, 12:35:57 PM
[size=200]Canadians Wary Of Oil Deal[/size]



http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2012/1021/Study-Canadians-wary-of-Chinese-oil-deal
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 21, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
majority of Canadians say NO! Wont have anything to do with them
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 21, 2012, 01:57:48 PM
pretty hard to see how the Nexen deal can be stopped after Harper went to china, met with the big shots and told them "canada is open for business" he knew when he went he would be dealing with SOE's so it should not come as a surprise when their state owned oil company comes knocking....i think the Petronus ruling was just a smoke screen to soften up the public politically.....let everyone know he is looking after canadian interests...in the end i suspect they will both be approved.....oil cannot be labelled a "stategic interest" when there is so much of it in the world....
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 21, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Well I was just talking to an elderly Chinese woman and I asked her if she was there during 19060-1962 and she said yes.  I had been helping her with her English as she is a nice person and I didn't mind using my Chinese.  The chat eventually went to the famine of 1960-1962 and she said that she didn't experience it in the city but it was very bad in the country. I suspect that she was telling the truth as she did not seem traumatised by it like most others I have asked about this topic though I do suspect that she has experienced some of the having people follow her to snatch her for food but didn't admit it as it would be a loss of face. She said not just a few but many of her friends had experiences people following them to snatch them to kill them for food, not just a few times but lots of times. Imagine always being afraid to go out alone if you are a girl,kid or elderly or just simply small as there were people out there looking to snatch you when nobody was looking to kill you for food. She gave the motion of stabbing for killing. She said parents would threaten their kids "be good or we will eat you" As Jasper Becker wrote in his very informative book Hungry Ghosts that "the entire country was traumatised" Imagine kids couldn't go out to play. I imagine that tens of thousands did did and never were seen again,very possibly hundreds of thousands.  Imagine looking over your shoulder whenever you went out by yourself in case someone was following you. She said it happened to her friends very often.




     How is it that this post doesn't even interest any of you ?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 21, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
mostly because it is either bullshit or if it is true it speaks to a time gone by...china today is so much different to china of the "great revolution" times.....every asian country has a story of terrible things that happened during desperate times.....they are not proud of it, nor ashamed of it...during ww2 European people that were starving did many similar things.....so what....how can you say you would do different until you are in that position...me i can be honest.....i would do anything necessary to survive...period.
Title: The Threat To Canada’s Sovereignty
Post by: Gary Oak on October 21, 2012, 06:58:17 PM
The Threat To Canadian Sovereignty -What We Are Giving To China





http://elizabethmay.ca/in-the-news/island-tides/the-threat-to-canadas-sovereignty-what-we-are-giving-to-china/



   If Harper wasn't so great then I probably would vote for Elizabeth May and her Green Party.
Title: Re: The threat to Canada’s sovereignty — what we are giving
Post by: Obvious Li on October 21, 2012, 07:00:40 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"http://elizabethmay.ca/in-the-news/island-tides/the-threat-to-canadas-sovereignty-what-we-are-giving-to-china/



   If Harper wasn't so great then I probably would vote for Elizabeth May and her Green Party.




WTF gary.....are you on drugs......have you had a stroke...that cunt is the definition of a loser...fat,ugly and stupid
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 21, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
are you going to vote for Trudeau then ?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 21, 2012, 08:16:27 PM
Gary, he likes to razz you..
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 01:03:05 AM
[size=150]Asian Shares Take A Dump[/size]

http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCABRE88901C20121022
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 01:19:13 AM
[size=150]Canada Puts Pressure On Chinese Companies[/size]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203400604578070460656733992.html  this is as stated above a political device to give the Canadian public a little sugar to allow the medicine to be poured down our throats as distatstful as it is. Letting the purchase of one of Canada's premier oil companies to be bought by our enemy, is the way I see it to. Sneaky eh!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 22, 2012, 11:21:32 AM
What say you about this development...??? i think it should be reviewed by somebody beforehand...not sure who though...the opposition in Ottawa is just to stupid and incompetent to analyse it's implications.....maybe the Frazer Institute or CD Howe institute



Michael Den Tandt: Conservative plan would tie Canada to China in hush-hush elopement



Canada and China are about to become, if not economic bedfellows, then a serious courting couple, given to public displays of affection. Are we ready for this?



With a population of 1.4 billion and gross domestic product of $7.2-trillion, the latter growing at nine per cent annually, China is on track to surpass the United States as the world's pre-eminent economic power by 2020. Canadian firms have barely begun to tap the immense Chinese market. The reverse does not apply.



In 2011, according to foreign affairs department data, Canadian firms exported $16.8-billion worth of goods and services to China. Chinese exports to Canada were worth three times that. The lopsidedness extends to investment: Canadian direct investment in China was worth about $4.5-billion in 2011. Chinese investment in Canada was more than twice that, at $10.9-billion.



This explains the Harper government's zeal to ease and secure Canadian business access to the Chinese market. And it's not enough that we be in the market, goes the argument: We need protection from the vagaries of the Chinese system, which, from a governance standpoint, is a horror show.



It's a fair point: whatever one may think of China's politics, its rise is locked in. China requires raw materials and energy and Canada has them in abundance. To ignore this, particularly given the economic quagmire in Europe and fitful growth in the United States, would be foolish.



President Barack Obama's politically motivated decision last January to shelve the Keystone XL pipeline further tipped the scales, giving Prime Minister Stephen Harper all the pretext he needed to finalize an investment pact with China, despite reservations within his party's grass roots. reason one why Obama is a cocksucker



The deal had been in the works, on and off, for 18 years. Negotiations were wrapped up in February. Harper and Chinese President Hu Jintao signed off Sept. 8 in Vladivostok. The Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) has since been tabled in Parliament. After a mere 21 sitting days, it comes into force.



Here's where things get sticky. This deal has not been debated in the House, let alone more broadly across Canada. There has been thus far, a total of one hour of committee time devoted to its study. Yet once in place, it cannot be abrogated for fifteen years. Once notice is given, it expires within one year – in theory. Article 35 states that, as regards any investments made "prior to the date of termination," the agreement remains in place for an additional 15 years – extending its practical span to 31 years, at minimum. (scary shit)



Another clause that jumps out: A signatory "may not require that an enterprise of that Party... appoint individuals of any particular nationality to senior management positions." Forget about requiring Canadian representation, for example, in the executive suite of Calgary-based Nexen Inc., following a proposed $15.1-billion takeover by China's state-owned energy firm China National Offshore Oil Co.



There is a provision in Article 7 to allow for such a requirement, for a corporate board of directors, but with this rather gigantic disclaimer: "provided that the requirement does not materially impair the ability of the investor to exercise control over its investment." Determining this, of course, could be a subject of dispute – which is where this gets trickier still.



For the dispute-resolution process may occur behind closed doors, at the discretion of the "contracting parties." Tribunal awards, reads Article 28, "shall be publicly available, subject to the redaction of confidential information." But "to the extent necessary to ensure the protection of confidential information, including business confidential information, the Tribunal may hold portions of hearings in camera."



Redaction and in-camera hearings are troubling enough, in a system founded on transparency. But these arrangements may presumably involve Chinese state-owned firms – not just Nexen, if that deal is green-lighted next month by Ottawa, but others that my follow. Such companies are, according to former Canadian Security Intelligence Service director Ray Boisvert, not profit-making ventures in any sense Canadians understand. They are strategic organs of the Chinese Communist party.



I remember the great Canada-U.S. Free Trade debate of 1988. The country was transfixed by it for months and an election was fought over it. That deal involved a friendly democracy and our greatest ally. This one, which is potentially as far-reaching, has been concluded with virtually no public debate. It involves the rising strategic adversary of our greatest ally. And it is already creating pressure on the Harper government to approve the Nexen deal, which polls show a majority of Canadians oppose.



The reason is simply this: How can Harper say no to Nexen, and still say he wants China to buy Canadian? For evidence, see reaction to Industry Canada's nixing of Malaysia state-owned Petronas's $5.9-billion bid for Progress Energy, at three minutes to midnight Friday. Already the Harper government is being accused of hypocrisy. And Canada has no FIPA with Malaysia.



Eyes-wide-open economic engagement with China clearly is in Canada's interest. But pushing it through in a ferocious hurry, out of the public eye, clearly is not. That something so far-reaching would be imposed, almost entirely without debate, is mind-boggling.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 22, 2012, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"mostly because it is either bullshit or if it is true it speaks to a time gone by...china today is so much different to china of the "great revolution" times.....every asian country has a story of terrible things that happened during desperate times.....they are not proud of it, nor ashamed of it...during ww2 European people that were starving did many similar things.....so what....how can you say you would do different until you are in that position...me i can be honest.....i would do anything necessary to survive...period.


   "It's either BULLSHIT " That's really cool , I never thought of that. Well Coolio, you go right ahead and not know anything until you are really smart and cool. This is a bit of history that is not known and  as I am sure the coolios that don't need to know anything to be cool don't need to know these things. I find the topic interesting. So Coolio, if you don't like knowing history as it isn't cool enough for you then don't read it at all and be a dumb fuck until you a super cool. I really don't want to hear what coolios who don't want to know anything think anyways as coolios are stupid fucking assholes. You know nothing of Chinese history. I have read Chinese history for many years. History isn't cool for coolios of course. Go play some cool video games, smoke crack and fuck off Coolio
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 01:25:44 PM






 Canada and China, BFFs]



  By Michael Den Tandt,

 Postmedia News October 22, 2012 12:53 PM





Chinese President Hu Jintao (R) shakes hands with Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird (L) as Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper looks on before their meeting at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing. They all kiss for the camera...[joke]



REUTERS/Diego Azubel

Canada and China are about to become, if not economic bedfellows, then a serious courting couple, given to public displays of affection. Are we ready for this?



With a population of 1.4 billion and gross domestic product of $7.2-trillion, the latter growing at nine per cent annually, China is on track to surpass the United States as the world's pre-eminent economic power by 2020. Canadian firms have barely begun to tap the immense Chinese market. The reverse does not apply.



In 2011, according to foreign affairs department data, Canadian firms exported $16.8-billion worth of goods and services to China. Chinese exports to Canada were worth three times that. The lopsidedness extends to investment: Canadian direct investment in China was worth about $4.5-billion in 2011. Chinese investment in Canada was more than twice that, at $10.9-billion.



This explains the Harper government's zeal to ease and secure Canadian business access to the Chinese market. And it's not enough that we be in the market, goes the argument: We need protection from the vagaries of the Chinese system, which, from a governance standpoint, is a horror show.



It's a fair point: whatever one may think of China's politics, its rise is locked in. China requires raw materials and energy and Canada has them in abundance. To ignore this, particularly given the economic quagmire in Europe and fitful growth in the United States, would be foolish.



President Barack Obama's politically motivated decision last January to shelve the Keystone XL pipeline further tipped the scales, giving Prime Minister Stephen Harper all the pretext he needed to finalize an investment pact with China, despite reservations within his party's grass roots.



The deal had been in the works, on and off, for 18 years. Negotiations were wrapped up in February. Harper and Chinese President Hu Jintao signed off Sept. 8 in Vladivostok. The Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) has since been tabled in Parliament. After a mere 21 sitting days, it comes into force.



Here's where things get sticky. This deal has not been debated in the House, let alone more broadly across Canada. There has been thus far, a total of one hour of committee time devoted to its study. Yet once in place, it cannot be abrogated for 15 years. Once notice is given, it expires within one year – in theory. Article 35 states that, as regards any investments made "prior to the date of termination," the agreement remains in place for an additional 15 years – extending its practical span to 31 years, at minimum.



Another clause that jumps out: A signatory "may not require that an enterprise of that party... appoint individuals of any particular nationality to senior management positions." Forget about requiring Canadian representation, for example, in the executive suite of Calgary-based Nexen Inc., following a proposed $15.1-billion takeover by China's state-owned energy firm China National Offshore Oil Co.



There is a provision in Article 7 to allow for such a requirement, for a corporate board of directors, but with this rather gigantic disclaimer: "provided that the requirement does not materially impair the ability of the investor to exercise control over its investment." Determining this, of course, could be a subject of dispute – which is where this gets trickier still.



For the dispute-resolution process may occur behind closed doors, at the discretion of the "contracting parties." Tribunal awards, reads Article 28, "shall be publicly available, subject to the redaction of confidential information." But "to the extent necessary to ensure the protection of confidential information, including business confidential information, the Tribunal may hold portions of hearings in camera."



Redaction and in-camera hearings are troubling enough in a system founded on transparency. But these arrangements may presumably involve Chinese state-owned firms – not just Nexen, if that deal is green-lighted next month by Ottawa, but others that may follow. Such companies are, according to former Canadian Security Intelligence Service director Ray Boisvert, not profit-making ventures in any sense Canadians understand. They are strategic organs of the Chinese Communist party.



I remember the great Canada-U.S. Free Trade debate of 1988. The country was transfixed by it for months and an election was fought over it. That deal involved a friendly democracy and our greatest ally. This one, which is potentially as far-reaching, has been concluded with virtually no public debate. It involves the rising strategic adversary of our greatest ally. And it is already creating pressure on the Harper government to approve the Nexen deal, which polls show a majority of Canadians oppose.



The reason is simply this: How can Harper say no to Nexen, and still say he wants China to buy Canadian? For evidence, see reaction to Industry Canada's nixing of Malaysia state-owned Petronas's $5.9-billion bid for Progress Energy, at three minutes to midnight Friday. Already the Harper government is being accused of hypocrisy. And Canada has no FIPA with Malaysia.



Eyes-wide-open economic engagement with China clearly isn't..[me] in Canada's interest,and pushing it through in a ferocious hurry, out of the public eye, clearly is not either. That something so far-reaching would be imposed, almost entirely without debate, is mind-boggling.



Aren't we in fact, aiding China's "Rise" to dominate us and the world..think about it. [more me]

Harper & The Conservative Party risk losing the next federal election on this one topic: Over-Friendliness to Communist China, the giving away of our most precious resource to our enemy. Establishing a Chinese Communist 5th column on energy [over NEXEN] in Canada.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 01:38:58 PM
Harper hasnt shown the spirited and sincere energy that one with a serious interest in looking for partnerships [diversifying our markets]and building Canada's energy market, would see. One trip here [India] and a little trip there [Brazil] thats it! They exist but it must be reciprocal, and it takes time..so what's he doing about it/NOTHING!

This isnt the leadership I elected to parliament at all, Harper fails for me! On the other hand I will hold my nose and vote the party back in as ther are talented people in that party, all good potential leaders.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 03:08:16 PM




Harper can take a queue and a prod from him
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 07:31:31 PM




The company says it interviewed 100 Canadian miners, but found none qualified. (iStock)The B.C. Federation of Labour is calling for the suspension of temporary foreign worker program permits for a coal mine in northeastern B.C.



The BCFL wants the provincial and federal governments to investigate concerns over the hiring of 200 Chinese workers to work in an underground coal mine near Tumbler Ridge.



Concerns include how the workers were recruited and whether or not Canadian miners were given a fair chance to work at the mine first.



HD Mining International, the company developing the coal mine, received 300 applications and interviewed nearly 100 Canadian workers, but none were qualified to work in the mine, said vice-president Jody Shimkus.



"We require temporary foreign workers because we are introducing a highly mechanized form of long-wall mining to the province. There's currently no active long-wall mining going on in Canada or B.C.," Shimkus said.



Shimkus said all the Chinese workers are employed with their parent company in China.



The BCFL has said it is skeptical of the claim that there are no skilled miners to work underground in Canada. ]
rights of Canadian [/b]and foreign workers are being upheld.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 22, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
This hiring imported Chinese miners reeks of a scam. Why only Chinese miners ? Chinese mining is notorious for avoidable disasters. What are they up to ? Why are they being devious ? They have other motives this is for sure. Why isn't our government pursueing this ? My experience in with Chinese is that whenever you sense they are up to something they are. Whenever you sense that they don't want you to ask something then you ask that something as they will think you are stupid if you don't and if you do ask the question that you feel they don't want you to ask then sure they will hate you but at least they will respect you. As Chris Patton wrote in his superb book East And West  "there is nothing in Chinese culture that says that you can't question them when you feel they are trying to cheat you" It is my experience that when you sense that they are up to something then you are 100% right
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 08:24:33 PM
5th Column, simple!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 22, 2012, 08:36:08 PM
[size=200]Feds Are Committing To Cyber Security BigTime[/size]



...a little late arent they?! [me]



Feds commit $155M to boost cyber security

 By Jessica Murphy, Parliamentary Bureau



Wednesday, October 17, 2012






Vic Toews, Canada's Public Safety Minister, speaks to the media at Algonquin College in Ottawa Oct 17, 2012. (ANDRE FORGET/QMI AGENCY)

 

 related stories




Energy firm hit by cyber attack



Feds pressed over Huawei security risk



Tories call for review of grant to China-owned com



Huawei says it remains committed to Canada



Fed worker accused of hacking



OTTAWA — Public Safety Minister Vic Toews is warning Canadians their cyber security is at risk and is channelling federal money to beef up defences.



But the minister refused to name-and-shame our enemies lurking in cyberspace.



On Wednesday, Toews announced $155-million over five years to shore up the government's IT infrastructure and improve its capability to track and stop cyber attacks.



"Businesses and governments want to ensure critical infrastructure and services in Canada are not disrupted and sensitive commercial information - information that often translates into jobs for Canadians - is fully protected," he said, adding Canada is also expanding its collaboration with the U.S. on the issue.



U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta recently warned his country was at risk of a "cyber-Pearl Harbor" attack on its networks, with his officials later pointing to China, Iran and Russia as major sources of potential danger.



Earlier this month, a U.S. congressional committee singled out Chinese telecom giants Huawei - which operates in Canada - and ZTE as posing cyber espionage threats.



But the Conservative government has kept mum one who is behind recent cyber breaches in Canada.



"There's no question some countries are more of a threat than others," Toews said.



"(But) I don't think that's going to serve any particular purpose for me calling out any particular country at this time. I'm certainly aware of where threats come from and we're constantly being briefed by our allies on developments in that respect."



Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae called on Toews to discuss cyber security in a "transparent" way.



"No one should be shy about identifying these criminals," he said.



Both the Canadian treasury board and finance departments had a massive security breach in 2011 - among the 80 data breaches of its computers reported by the feds last year. The attacks were linked to serves based in China.



Security analysts maintain failed telecom Nortel was the victim of cyber espionage from the Chinese.



Telvent - an energy industry giant in Alberta - also recently admitted to being hacked, an attack linked by some experts to the Chinese.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 02:05:00 AM
[size=200]Presidential Candidates Do 'The China Topic Slither'[/size]

be afraid..[me]



Calm reaction in China to U.S. debate

Calum MacLeod, USA TODAY





Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney speaks about China during the third and final presidential debate at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida. ,



Some said it presented a negative view of China

Live coverage on Chinese-language TV was limited

Both candidates mentioned Chinese theft of U.S. intellectual property

1:28AM EDT October 23. 2012 - BEIJING –In China, some viewers reacted calmly as they listened to Monday night's U.S. presidential debate.



Some said that it presented a negative view of China and dismissed the statements by President Obama and GOP rival Mitt Romney as expected campaign rhetoric.



"No matter who takes office, their policy toward China will be similar to today's, especially in the trade area, because the main theme of the relationship is still cooperation, not confrontation," said Jin Yinsong, a Beijing-based investment adviser for China Jianyin Investment Securities, a large brokerage.



China was the final topic of Monday night's debate, but the timing, about 10:20 a.m. local time, and the lack of full, live coverage on Chinese-language TV channels limited viewers and immediate reaction.



"Chinese officials will be satisfied by the debate, as the China topics were trade and currency, and neither candidate mentioned human rights, so it was quite friendly towards China," said Hu Xingdou, an economist at the Beijing University of Technology, who watched on CNN, available at many hotels but not in private homes.



Given the track record of U.S. presidential candidates, talking tough on China, then acting more moderately once in the White House, the government in Beijing appears to have grown more accustomed to getting bashed in the U.S. election season.



"If Romney wins, he will likely have to change his plan of labeling China a currency manipulator, like previous candidates, or China may react in ways that hurt the U.S. economy too," said Hu, who scored the debate an Obama victory. "The Communist Party has always preferred the Republican Party, as Mao once said, as they focus on free trade, while the Democrats are more likely to raise labor rights, etc."



China should not be labeled a currency manipulator, as "the government has made great efforts on market regulation, and loosens the control day by day," said Jin, the investment adviser.



"I don't think China is a cheater in international trade, it's only an election strategy to contain China," he said. "Made-in-China is not the reason for America's unemployment."



Chinese theft of U.S. intellectual property and counterfeiting of U.S. goods are long-standing problems, mentioned by both candidates.



"But in recent years, China has developed a lot of our own technology. We learned first, then surpassed our opponents," countered Gong Chen, a software engineer at a large local firm in Beijing. "America is the best in software in the world, they also see the progress China has made, so they are afraid of and blame ZTE and Huawei. I don't believe these two companies are spies. They just take a proportion of the U.S. market, and the U.S. is not kind to them because of various complicated reasons," said Gong, who insists China is attaching more importance to intellectual property protection.



On the booming micro-blog service Weibo, Chinese Internet users offered diverse comments. One said that whoever wins will implement sanctions on China, so China must impose countermeasures to achieve greater development, wrote Li Shaochong, an entertainment agent.



Sports anchorman Huang Jianxiang, who live-blogged the debate, was swung by the sound of the candidates. "I like Obama a little more because Romney's voice is a bit dry and shriveled, I feel he was not calm enough," he wrote.



Official reaction is likely to be similar to what was offered after the second debate, which was said to be "a vanity fair for China-bashers competing to flex their muscles on China," said a report last week on state news agency Xinhua, "offering up talking points that have less to do with China than with the continued competitiveness of the world superpower."



U.S. politicians should "embrace China's rise and acknowledge that engaging with China will amplify win-win results, but scapegoating, isolating and vilifying China will hurt both sides," according to the report.



Offering reassurance on Chinese plans, China will not become a "hegemonic power," wrote Chen Xiankui, a professor at Beijing's People's University, in the state-run Global Times newspaper Monday.



Reinforcing comments made by Chinese President Hu Jintao in May, Chen promised China will be "a new kind of great power in the 21st century," one that "doesn't enter into rivalry with other countries, that can create a win-win situation with the West and develop alongside other parts of the world, and that rises peacefully as a developing Asian socialist country with Chinese characteristics
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 23, 2012, 07:22:32 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"mostly because it is either bullshit or if it is true it speaks to a time gone by...china today is so much different to china of the "great revolution" times.....every asian country has a story of terrible things that happened during desperate times.....they are not proud of it, nor ashamed of it...during ww2 European people that were starving did many similar things.....so what....how can you say you would do different until you are in that position...me i can be honest.....i would do anything necessary to survive...period.


   "It's either BULLSHIT " That's really cool , I never thought of that. Well Coolio, you go right ahead and not know anything until you are really smart and cool. This is a bit of history that is not known and  as I am sure the coolios that don't need to know anything to be cool don't need to know these things. I find the topic interesting. So Coolio, if you don't like knowing history as it isn't cool enough for you then don't read it at all and be a dumb fuck until you a super cool. I really don't want to hear what coolios who don't want to know anything think anyways as coolios are stupid fucking assholes. You know nothing of Chinese history. I have read Chinese history for many years. History isn't cool for coolios of course. Go play some cool video games, smoke crack and fuck off Coolio




lol@garyoak.com......now slowly, repeat after me....."i am not an idiot" "i am not an idiot" "i am not an idiot"......there now does that feel better......there's is no doubt that i am cooler than you big guy...but that's not the point here......you made some grand claims, that you secretly heard about third or fourth hand,  about some chinese people, from some time in history, that ate their relatives. Too which i replied it was either bullshit (an old wives tale) or happened in a prior period in chinese history when things were a lot different.......don't know what you see that is coolio about those statements or concepts.....did you here the one about chinese mothers sexually stimulating their sons in school so they could focus better on studying...i've heard that one a million times...now you have another reason to fear the chinese..........they are sexual deviants as well as cannibals............hahahahahahahhaha



freak show....... feak show......freak show....coming to a town near you
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 12:14:13 PM
2012 campaign



[size=200]How the Chinese See China-Bashing[/size]



By Elizabeth Dwoskin and Jasmine Zhao on October 23, 2012



In the final presidential debate Monday night, China was mentioned 35 times. Repeating a line he's used throughout the campaign, Mitt Romney charged China with keeping the value of its currency artificially low. He said he would label the country a "currency manipulator" on his first day in office. "China is both an adversary," Romney said, "but also a potential partner in the international community if it's following the rules." Obama emphasized how he's increased the number of trade cases the U.S. has filed against China at the World Trade Organization. (For a history of tit-for-tat trade cases filed between the U.S. and China, check out this cool graphic.)



So how do the Chinese see all this China-bashing? To find out, we translated a selection of news stories from Chinese state-owned media.



On Sept. 14, Xinhua, the government-owned news agency, lashed out at Romney's currency manipulator remarks in a news analysis piece by Liu Chang:



"Merely aimed at scoring cheap political points in an election season, U.S. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney once again blamed China's currency policy as the root cause for the excruciatingly high jobless rates

in the United States. ... Such blaming-China-on-everything remarks are as false as they are foolish, for it has never been a myth that pushing up the value of China's currency would be of little use to boost the chronically slack job market of the world's sole superpower, not to mention to magically turn the poor U.S. economic performance around."



In late September, Obama used a campaign stop in Ohio to announce a trade case against China. The U.S. accuses China of providing $1 billion in illegal subsidies for exports of cars and car parts. An article in the Global Times, a Chinese state-owned newspaper, ridiculed the case as a political maneuver without merit: "Almost no media believes that Obama will save American jobs by filing WTO complaints. More critics suggest that his primary goal is to keep his own presidential post."



Right after the second presidential debate, CCTV, China's state-owned television network, ran this article on its English-language website. Surprisingly, it takes a negative view of U.S. companies that have outsourced jobs to China: "Romney needs to understand that Apple (AAPL) products being assembled in China is not something that China should take pride in or even appreciate. Foreign companies are able to outsource manufacturing jobs to China because of the country's hard-working and low-paid workforce. This outsourcing maximizes the companies' profit margins, but leaves China with meager profits and massive pollution problems. ... It seems Obama takes a more objective view on the dilemma facing the U.S. manufacturing industry, as he admitted that some low-paid and low-tier jobs will never return to America."



Wang Guan, a correspondent in CCTV's new Washington bureau, says he feels it's his job to remind his audience back home to take U.S. politicians' attacks on China with a grain of salt. "We know that the U.S. presidential candidates often say one thing during the campaign and do another when they become presidents," Guan told CCTV viewers in August.



Reporting on the debate this morning, CCTV took note of how much the candidates talked about Washington's relationship with Beijing: "In order to gain more votes, President Obama and candidate Romney are talking about China again."
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 12:27:31 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"On this rare occasion I agree with Xinhua. Romney's reason for blaming China for American economic woes is purely political.

as much as I hate to say it I do too. Remember though Xinhua is the medium for state lying, its pure and sole purpose is propaganda. That being said these too are scoring points wily nilly,all over the map on China without in depth discussions. If there were horror stories would emerge. Funny that! These two are pussy footing China [the enemy] in the hopes they can regain their ground after. Factor in that these debates are a fraud as they are funded, both parties, by the same group. Corporate elites!!! Did someone say Soros, did someone say Kissinger?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 12:31:46 PM
Obvious Li, I may point out on one point Oak is right on, that cannibalism thrives in today's China.  I have posted dialogue/peer research on this matter.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"Obvious Li, I may point out on one point Oak is right on, that cannibalism thrives in today's China.  I have posted dialogue/peer research on this matter.

Could you post it again please?






by Securious » October 20th, 2012, 5:35 pm



I want to make this abundantly clear about the prectise of eating human flesh as cuisine going back centuries in China-"Learned Canabalism". Anyone who says you are full of it can read this which will be a long post. This will be a rare exercise for me as i do like to cut and paste so her's little argument. In this case I think it is important one gets the truth in its entirity, unbroken.

So please forgive this lengthy submission and understand why. No ore can there be liars that it never or doesnt exist today. Such practises can be rationalised by starvation- shere hunger, but this is a different cult, a learned practise handed down throujgh time, a preferential one whith the wealthy it seems.















From the on-line encyclopedia: Wikipedia

it reads:



Talk:Chinese cannibalism



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Here is a good English source on the subject: Key Ray Chong, Cannibalism in China, Longwood Academic: Wakefield, NH. (1990)



viii: "We need to remind ourselves that the Chinese people are not particularly different from the other races of the world as far as the practice of survival cannibalism is concerned. When it comes to learned cannibalism, however, its practice is quite different. Worthy of note here is the fact that some types of learned cannibalism are found only in China. This study will attempt to examine this unique phenomenon." "Particularly in ancient times, learned cannibalism was often practiced in China for culinary appreciation, and exotic dishes were prepared for jaded upper-class palates in times of health and/or sickness."



ix: "As late as the 19th century, it was not unusual for Chinese executioners to eat the heart and brains of the criminals they disaptch. They also ate a portion of the human meat for health reasons, but when some extra meat was left, they sold it for profit." "Li Shih-chen [DP: 1578] detailed the use of humans many times for medicinal purposes. He noted, for example, that human meat was a good cure for tuberculosis. For the same or similar purposes, he discussed in an equally detailed manner the use of human sweat, urine, sperm, breast milk, tears, dirt, nails and teeth. Even today, in the People's Republic of China, the use of human fingers, toes, nails, dried urine, feces and breast milk are strongly recommended by the government to cure certain diseases."



x: "Apart from this, the Chinese often ate their enemies out of hatred or revenge during wartime." "During World War II, hate-cannibalism is reported to have occurred in China. Later, as the civil war between the Communists and the Nationalists went on for control of China, some Communist soldiers were executed routinely in a far-interior district; and their flesh and bones were eaten out of a spirit of revenge. One American priest told of seeing a Chinese Nationalist officer cut out and eat the heart of a Chinese Communist."



xi: "In short, the Chinese are not necessarily different in any significant way from most other peoples in the world. And yet they are quite unique in the sense that there are so many examples of learned cannibalism throughout their history."



p.54: "The many instances of cannibalism in China throughout antiquity serve as a prelude to the way that the practice of cannibalism later became an integral part of Chinese culture."



pp. 55-62: listings of Chinese surival cannibalism incidents Han to Ming (about one ever 1-2 lines) "... there is little or no doubt about the practice of survival cannibalism in China."



p.79: "Cannibalism was also often involved in the punishmen of criminals in Imperial China. After having been publicly executed, the bodies of the criminals were made available for public exhibition and consumption." "In short the Chinese people used humans not only for food and medicine, but they also expressed their feelings of hatred or revenge by publicly eating the flesh and bones of their fellow men."



p. 88: "In April 882, when the price of one tou (peck of rice went up to 30 min in Chang-an the rebels captured by government troops were sold as food."



p. 105: "According to a more recent study, Chinese soldiers stationed in Taiwan before the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895 used to eat human flesh of the aborigines like pork; they could buy it at the marketplace. Human flesh was considered as a source of protein and a way to increase male sexual stamina."



p. 110: [great drought of 1876-1879] "One Western observer said that the most shocking consequence of famine was the rapid spread of cannibalism... The Roman Catholic Bishop of Shansi, ... reported... "... now they kill the living to have them for food. Husbands eat their wives. Parents eat their sons and daughters, and children eat their parents." This was confirmed by a Chinese district magistrate, who made the following observations: ... a grandson chopped his grandomother to pieces, a niece boiled and ate her own aunt ..."



p. 157: "The most popular methods for preparing human flesh were broiling, roasting, boiling and steaming. Next was pickling in salt, wine, sauce and the like.



p. 166: "We have learned that there were far more instances of learned cannibalism than of survival cannibalism... Although we have reported more instances of learned cannibalism in this book, the actual number of victims caused by survival cannibalism could be far greater."



p. 170: "The major conclusions drawn from this study are the following. Cannibalism can be classified in two categories: survival and learned cannibalism. Learned cannibalism in China is different from cannibalism elsewhere. It is unique in the sense that it is an expression of love and hatred, and a peculiar extension of Confucian doctrine."



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Isolated incidents motivated by unusual hatred and/or committed by desperate lads do not justify the use of indicative adverbs such as "often", "in general", "mostly", "not uncommon". Such over-generalized conclusions based on sporadic events have no foundation and only characterize pathetic attempts to conceive an exotically freaky national character: "Unlike other civilizations, China has a rich history of cannibalism...relatively common in China" [intro].



It's good that people here are trying to evaluate it from an objective viewpoint. However, please review the edits of user Nanshu, as s/he has had a history with articles concerning Nanjing and Unit 731.



"rich history of cannibalism"

"relatively common"

"common cooking methods of human flesh"

"Japanese historian Kuwabara Jitsuzo classified`Chinese cannibalism into the five types"

"It is not just Chinese cliche but the fact"

"The Chinese did not hesitate in humiliating corpses"

"It was not uncommon to practice cannibalism for medical purposes"

-- Fuzheado | Talk 00:40, 25 May 2004 (UTC)





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I just found out Kuwabara Jitsuzo's journal article on cannibalism (the original script in Japanese is here. Unlike other civilizations, China has a rich history of cannibalism (??). It is partly because China is the country of literature but mostly because the practice of cannibalism was relatively common in China.



China does have records of cannibalism. To define records as richer or worse than any other countries, one must research and base arguments on solid grounds.



It's not easy to provide quantitative data, but it is almost apparent. But everyone who read classisal Chinese literature notices that there are numerous records on cannibalism and that their attitude toward cannibalism was unusual.

Kuwabara said:

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????*snip* ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

?????????????? page 204

Now we realize that there are numerous records. Next, we wonder in what proportion these incidents have been reporded so that we can know. We have to consider the wealth of Chinese records. The Chinese documented even minor incidents (again, those I adopted are examples). So we can presume that the abundance of cannibalism on record partially resulted from that of documents. --Nanshu 02:17, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The following was the common cooking methods of human flesh. Note that these were usually used for animals.



1.Fu (? fu3): sliced and dried meat

2.Geng (? geng1): thick soup

3.Hai (? hai3): minced and hashed meat

4.Luan (? luan2): sliced meat

Hai was also a punishment in ancient China.



According to Kuwabara Jitsuzo's article, these are the practices of punishment for three diobeyant nobles during the infamous reign of Shang Zhou of the Shang Dynasty. Kuwabara Jitsuzo's article may have assumed readers' knowledge of Shang Zhou: this wikipedia article has left out that Shang Zhou was a tyrant and also well known for other inhumane punishments. Generalising the tortures of 3 nobles as "common cooking methods" .



Nanshu initially claimed Kuwabara Jitsuzo's descriptions on Chinese cannibalism. As quality contributors, one should always provide reasoning and evidences for hir statements. I was only presenting what I had found on the net at that time.

This is an encyclopaedia article. Making refernce every time is needless and quite cumbersome. And I fear that English-speaking readers are annoyed by flood of non-English literature.

But it makes me happy if readers are interested in the topics I bring and are encouraged to study more about them. Shall I put reference lists on talk pages? --Nanshu 02:17, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I didn't hide emotions. My sole purpose was to sugguest you a strict way to deal with issues and documents that may have been mixed with social and political defamatory attitudes, especially those written in early and middle 20th century before and during the Sino-Japanese War.



The Japanese historian Kuwabara Jitsuzo classified Chinese cannibalism into the five types:



1.cannibalism during famine

2.cannibalism in besieged cities

3.eating human flesh habitually

4.cannibalism driven by animosity

5.eating human flesh as medicine



Contents [hide]

1 Cannibalism driven by animosity

2 Eating human flesh as medicine

3 Corrections

4 Vfd poll result

4.1 Chinese cannibalism

4.2 Translate please

5 Cannibalism in the Dynastic Histories





[edit] Cannibalism driven by animosityChinese literature often says that one ate his bitter enemy. It is not just Chinese cliche but the fact.Irate crowds often scrambled to eat executed prisoners. For example, Wang Mang, who took over the Han Dynasty, was sliced by soldiers. People humiliated his head and someone cut and ate his tongue. This practice was recognized lynch. Il Millione also records the pranctice.



Severing of Wang Mang's body was carried out by mobs during chaos.

??/??/????? ???????? --Nanshu 02:42, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I have not denied the civilian's severing of Wang Mang's body: severing of Wang Mang's body was carried out by mobs during chaos.



Confucianism encourages revenge for parents and bothers. Revenge was achieved by killing enemies, but sometimes one ate them (their hearts and livers in most cases). For example, according to the old Tang book, Wang Juncao stabbed Li Junze to avenge his father. He cut open his belly and ate his heart and liver.



The Chinese did not eat those who died naturally in general, but it was not the case when avenging the killing of his parents. Wang Ban joined Sui's expeditionary force to Chen to avenge his father on former Emperor Wu. He broke the emperor's mausoleum, burned his bone, drank it by combining it with water. He is recorded at the section of filial piety and justice in the Book of Sui. The Chinese did not hesitate in humiliating corpses but he is a special case.



[edit] Eating human flesh as medicineIt was not uncommon to practice cannibalism for medical purposes, but the Chinese established it as a filial devotion to parents. Since the middle Tang Dynasty, devoted sons cut out their thighs to let their sick parents eat them. Those sons were classified as "dutiful sons" in official and unofficial records although this practice was banned several times.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 23, 2012, 12:58:27 PM
securious...well i do not dispute it has happened in china in past times.....i would dispute that it is still practiced (except maybe in some weird cult) in today's modern china...i mean i know the chinese will eat anything that moves, walks or crawls however, i don't believe that actively feasting on human flesh actually exist
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 23, 2012, 01:09:17 PM
i should have concluded....actually exists in todays modern china
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 23, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"mostly because it is either bullshit or if it is true it speaks to a time gone by...china today is so much different to china of the "great revolution" times.....every asian country has a story of terrible things that happened during desperate times.....they are not proud of it, nor ashamed of it...during ww2 European people that were starving did many similar things.....so what....how can you say you would do different until you are in that position...me i can be honest.....i would do anything necessary to survive...period.


   "It's either BULLSHIT " That's really cool , I never thought of that. Well Coolio, you go right ahead and not know anything until you are really smart and cool. This is a bit of history that is not known and  as I am sure the coolios that don't need to know anything to be cool don't need to know these things. I find the topic interesting. So Coolio, if you don't like knowing history as it isn't cool enough for you then don't read it at all and be a dumb fuck until you a super cool. I really don't want to hear what coolios who don't want to know anything think anyways as coolios are stupid fucking assholes. You know nothing of Chinese history. I have read Chinese history for many years. History isn't cool for coolios of course. Go play some cool video games, smoke crack and fuck off Coolio




lol@garyoak.com......now slowly, repeat after me....."i am not an idiot" "i am not an idiot" "i am not an idiot"......there now does that feel better......there's is no doubt that i am cooler than you big guy...but that's not the point here......you made some grand claims, that you secretly heard about third or fourth hand,  about some chinese people, from some time in history, that ate their relatives. Too which i replied it was either bullshit (an old wives tale) or happened in a prior period in chinese history when things were a lot different.......don't know what you see that is coolio about those statements or concepts.....did you here the one about chinese mothers sexually stimulating their sons in school so they could focus better on studying...i've heard that one a million times...now you have another reason to fear the chinese..........they are sexual deviants as well as cannibals............hahahahahahahhaha



freak show....... feak show......freak show....coming to a town near you




    Very interesting comments from Obvious Li  now let's look at his term IDIOT that he is using. I know about the well known topic of Chinese cannibalism in China and Obviously doesn't have a clue. Who is the idiot ? The clueless cunt who knows nothing or the person who has quite a bit of knowledge on the topic ?  Yo Coolio, I have long considered being COOL as merely being who is higher on the pecking order. Those who aren't interested in the pecking order fo course are geeks and those who are ..are cool.....if they are higher on this stupid pecking order. The problem i have with the pecking order is that at the top you usually have stupid pushy assholes who haven't read a book ever. Now what is so COOL about you ? Is it that you don't know what you are talking about ? You don't seem particulary humourous and if I ever decide to step into the stupid pecking order due to my boxing training and being quite good at amatuer wrestling in high school I am almost higher than you in the pecking order. Coolios don't have what it takes to train at anything anways. I have pounded the lights out of loads of coolios. Now clueless wonder, Jasper Becker [ former editor of the South China Morning Post ] is one of the top China experts in the world and he wrote the very interesting book about the Great Leap Forward [ of course you don't know what the great leap forward was ]  Hungry Ghosts. Why don't you read this book so that you don't have to argue about things that you don't know about. You might also try reading Cannibalism in China
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"i should have concluded....actually exists in todays modern china

 The cult of eating human flesh still is entrenched  in the nations cuisine amongst elites as outlined in the study. I think an open mind is required here Obvious Li, these things rarely go away but remain in the cultural fabric of nations for milenia.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 01:38:35 PM
there is a middle ground here without calling out names on either side. It think it behoves the reader to find the acknowleged source and continue to refine the research.  I have provided sufficient material to undertake this. As I have pointed out its currently practised within select obscure groups and does change its nature with trending cultural changes of course, but go away....NO It Hasnt!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 23, 2012, 01:48:45 PM
Gary Oak....indeed i do apologize for calling you an idiot.....i concede you have in fact probably read a book about chinese people eating each other.....next time i visit Shanghai i will be much more careful and on the lookout for local cannibals...thx for the heads up



Securious....i try always to keep an open mind.....i am a libra and unable to look at any information presented to me from just one side.......my judicious nature demands that i examine every proposal from all sides endlessly before deciding what is the right course of action, be it words or deeds....so be assured i thought carefully about the possibly of widespread cannibalism in china and have decided that  after years of living and traveling in Asia i find no evidence that cannibalism is rampant as Mr. Oak espouses. However, i do concede that it probably could have been an issue in the past among certain classes and cults and there may be holdovers from past practices.



Shen Li...i appreciate the support.....Gary Oak is ok.....he is just blinded by a singular obsession with a particular point of view.....i know people that are (very) fearful that the USA will invade Canada at any moment.. i no longer argue with these people, it is futile and usually gets them agitated....so i,ll let the boxer,wrestler who could kill me with one blow maintain his delusions without interference.



i wonder if you can get ecoli from eating your neighbors  ÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉ
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 05:57:20 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"Gary Oak....indeed i do apologize for calling you an idiot.....i concede you have in fact probably read a book about chinese people eating each other.....next time i visit Shanghai i will be much more careful and on the lookout for local cannibals...thx for the heads up



Securious....i try always to keep an open mind.....i am a libra and unable to look at any information presented to me from just one side.......my judicious nature demands that i examine every proposal from all sides endlessly before deciding what is the right course of action, be it words or deeds....so be assured i thought carefully about the possibly of widespread cannibalism in china and have decided that  after years of living and traveling in Asia i find no evidence that cannibalism is rampant as Mr. Oak espouses. However, i do concede that it probably could have been an issue in the past among certain classes and cults and there may be holdovers from past practices.



Shen Li...i appreciate the support.....Gary Oak is ok.....he is just blinded by a singular obsession with a particular point of view.....i know people that are (very) fearful that the USA will invade Canada at any moment.. i no longer argue with these people, it is futile and usually gets them agitated....so i,ll let the boxer,wrestler who could kill me with one blow maintain his delusions without interference.



i wonder if you can get ecoli from eating your neighbors  ÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉ

 Bad Teeth
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 06:08:50 PM
Mr Obvious, I find your response timely and refreshing, thank you. Its always been my pleasure to read your words and I am glad you spend time looking at all sides, I wish more people would. Note that I never said such a practice was rampant [your words]. To achieve a balance [being a Libra] I suggest you not paraphrase its not helpful for the folks,specially when you have the text in front of you, cheers mate..oh and I am an Aquarius.

 The purpose of said post was to give such a topic some airing to clear out any subjectivity and over active imaginary ghosts as such, this practice is still written up as cuisine w/accompanied recipes as outlined even though kept within certain groups [not rampant].



per se Li





 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 06:22:35 PM
[size=200]What does China want?[/size]



By Fareed Zakaria

Monday, June 7, 2010; A17







BEIJING




Over the past few months, foreign diplomats have privately groused to me about a world power's arrogant foreign policy. Except that they're talking about China, not the United States. A senior official from a developing country said, on background, so as not to anger Beijing: "Chinese officials used to meet with us with a great sense of solidarity and warmth. Now they read us a list of demands." Diplomats in Beijing report that Chinese officials now treat them differently than they did just a few years ago. One complained that even getting meetings with senior officials had become difficult. "People I used to see routinely now refuse to give me an appointment," one said to me in Beijing last week.



Some of this is understandable. Success breeds confidence, as Americans well know. And China has been very successful. By common consent, the country has come out on top after the global economic crisis. Its massive fiscal stimulus is building a new generation of infrastructure; its banks are stable; its consumers have high savings rates; and the government keeps piling up reserves, which now total almost $2.5 trillion. But in discussions with people in and out of the Chinese government last week, I was struck less by arrogance than by the doubt, uncertainty and apprehension that seemed to be plaguing the Chinese.



My interlocutors remained confident about the regime's technical ability to handle the economy. While Wall Street frets about an overheating China, most people here seemed sure that the government would be able to adjust to keep growth steady -- as it has in the past. Worried about a frothy real estate market in Beijing? Well, banks have been ordered to stop giving mortgages, and property taxes are set to be raised. Beijingers cannot buy more than one apartment per family. Once the froth subsides, the rules will, in all likelihood, be revoked.



But deeper changes are also underway. China has had dramatic labor protests in recent weeks, from strikes at a Honda factory to grim accounts of suicide at the vast Foxconn complex, where iPhones are assembled. One scholar calls this "the end of the world-factory model," under which China would be the globe's low-wage manufacturer. "Our economy can't keep squeezing labor benefits because workers are unwilling to accept it," says Chang Kai, director of the Renmin University's Labor Institute.



This is a far cry from the government's attitude only a few years ago, when officials warned that if Chinese workers asked for pay raises, businesses would move to Vietnam and Cambodia. In 2003 Zhang Zhixiong, deputy chairman of the labor union for Hyundai in Beijing, said, "Strikes in China jeopardize the country's reputation," and promised there would be none. Now Lee Chang-hee, at Beijing's International Labor Organization, predicts that unions and collective bargaining are inevitably going to become part of China's landscape, driving up wages.



The quotations in the paragraphs above all come from China Daily, an English-language newspaper published by the government. Nothing like this would have appeared in any language five years ago in China, and the debate gets even more honest in private. A Chinese businessman said to me over lunch in Beijing, "In many ways the financial crisis and the discrediting of the American model has been bad for us. You see, we don't really have an ideology anymore. We don't know what we believe in. We used to think it was some version of the American Dream -- liberalize, open up, grow. But then you had your crisis. We can say, it proves we're strong. But where do we go now?"



The angst is being exacerbated by China's ongoing political transition, in which the top leadership will be replaced in two years, and in which for the first time, the new president and premier will have no personal connection with or blessing from Deng Xiaoping, the architect of modern China. This has broader consequences. China knows it is now a great power and demands that it be respected and listened to. But short of protecting its narrow interests, the regime still doesn't seem sure what it wants internationally. What are its broader foreign policy goals? Is it an ally or a rival of the United States? What kind of a world does it hope to shape?



China is entering a new era but seems ideologically and operationally ill prepared for it. That might explain why Beijing has been hesitant and halting in its attitudes on nuclear proliferation, North Korea and Iran. It is less arrogant than ambivalent, something the United States also knows well from its own early history as a great power.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on October 23, 2012, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: "Securious"China is entering a new era but seems ideologically and operationally ill prepared for it. That might explain why Beijing has been hesitant and halting in its attitudes on nuclear proliferation, North Korea and Iran. It is less arrogant than ambivalent, something the United States also knows well from its own early history as a great power.


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True dat... if western democracies had any balls they could easily keep china contained ......merely by refusing to accept cheap, substandard chinese products and encouraging manufacturers to return to north america to set up operations...we have every advantage and if this recession continues for a few more years, hopefully labor will start to be reasonable and realize it`s better to have a job at a reduced salary than have no job at all......as far as consumers are concerned i would gladly pay a small premium for well made, north american made products... if the markets for chinese products suddenly disappear or are markedly reduced then china will be facing a real shitstorm at home......there are ways to make them play fair
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 07:08:55 PM
The emergence of China onto the world stage has been financed well in advance of their  so call "Rise'. They never had this kind of pocket change to make it happen. Lets be realistic here. Now whom would be manipulating  and tweaking this "new player"..Why the Central Bankers of course. Follow the money my friend. All these central banks are connected to "The Old Lady Of Threadneedle Street", London, UK, [BOE]. This has been in the planning for years, decades now, usurping western economies and seeing them fail is the plan. A global system is surreptitiously being developed, bit by bit, increment by increment.



From what I have found [40 years watching this happen]..., Obvious Li



Incidently, I have a first hand accounting of these things unfolding through a family member, who was engaged in seeing unfold, and the very reason I post on the topic.
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Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 07:37:01 PM
[size=200]China, The Biggest Winner In The Iraq War[/size]

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/07/19/china_the_big_winner_in_the_iraq_war
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Post by: Securious on October 23, 2012, 07:51:28 PM
[size=200]"Grow Up Little Comrades" Gates To China[/size]



http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/07/25/gates_to_china_grow_up_little_comrades
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 23, 2012, 08:31:38 PM
For a deeper understanding how the trickery in China's manufacturing works read the fascinating book  Poorly Made In China  by  Paul Midler   you can look it up on google. He has two masters degrees, one in business and one in Asian studies and he has been working in the areas of China for many years that I was in for many years.
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Post by: Gary Oak on October 23, 2012, 11:09:01 PM
I believe that Hu Jintao was a good president. This article gives an idea of how China is run. Obviously this writer knows what he is talking about. Big things are happening at this moment. The economy is in serious trouble .Hu Jintao just has to hold on to power until November 18 and then these problems will be Xi Jinping. Will there be war ? People in China believe that those countries disputing their taking islands from them are actually these nations trying to steal Chinas resources. World war 3 isn't not going to be some Iraq skirmish. Canadians in the first decade of the 1900's were quite content and had no idea that the horrors of WW1 was about to abruptly change their world.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9627671/China-announces-major-reshuffle-of-Peoples-Liberation-Army.html
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Post by: cc on October 23, 2012, 11:30:23 PM
Taking down Saddam did end up helping China, yes. Iran was also a huge winner in the Iraq fiasco, and in so many ways. Instead of a major Sunni enemy as Iraq had been  previously, Iran was handed a Shi'a controlled chattel on a platter.
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Post by: cc on October 24, 2012, 12:53:35 AM
Yes. Saddam was the best thing the West had. A buffer / mortal enemy  between Iran and elsewhere. I cannot understand the stupidity of it all. Shi'a outnumber Sunni 3 / 1 in Iraq. Obviously "democracy" {deep sigh} would mean a Shi'a govt., with some wonky Shi'a religious control = chattel of stronger Shi'a govt., with some wonky Shi'a religious control Iran.



How they could not predict that would happen is beyond my comprehension. "The obvious" usually happens, lol.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 24, 2012, 01:03:07 AM
beaks and feet covered in bacteria and mildew[/b], while hoods have been trimmed with dog and cat fur. Canada Goose uses coyote fur, and goose and duck down obtained as a byproduct of the poultry industry.



Millions



Estimated dollar value of counterfeit Canada Goose goods circulating in any given year. Each day, the firm's marketing chief receives at least two requests-for-approval from European customs agencies to destroy seized fake products.



3000%



Canada Goose's growth since 2002
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Post by: Securious on October 24, 2012, 01:08:54 AM
Stop The Mad Rush Of Coal Mining Workers At The Border[/b]

http://www.cknw.com/news/vancouver/story.aspx/story.aspx?ID=1796373
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 25, 2012, 01:16:33 PM
[size=200]NEXEN Profits Down Again[/size]





Nexen profit drops in third quarter

The Canadian Press


Oct. 25, 2012





CALGARY—Nexen Inc. of Calgary, which is the target of China's largest foreign takeover bid, has posted lower profits for the third quarter.



The company said Thursday its net income fell to $59 million, or 11 cents per share in the third quarter from $109 million, or 20 cents per share in the second quarter.



In the third quarter of 2011, Nexen (TSX: NXY) had a net income of $200 million, or 38 cents per share.



The company attributed the fall in profits to lower cash flow and the impact of several non-recurring items.



At the same time, net debt dropped to $2.36 billion in the third quarter of 2012. It stood at $3.13 billion in the second quarter and $3.4 billion in the third quarter of 2011.



The oil and gas producer has agreed to be taken over by state-owned China National Offshore Oil Co. for $15.1 billion.



The federal government is in the process of studying whether the deal represents a "net benefit" to Canada.



The review process is expected to last until mid-November, after which it may be extended by further 30-day increments with the buyer's consent.



The prospect of a Chinese state-run enterprise taking control of a Canadian energy company has stoked much political furor.



The NDP has raised a litany of national security, environmental and human rights concerns with the CNOOC deal.



Opposition natural resources critic Peter Julian also calls the federal review process to secretive and says it doesn't set up clear enough guidelines on what constitutes a net benefit to Canada.



"There is a deplorable process in place. It's a mess," he said recently.



"It's difficult for Canadians to determine whether it's in the best interest of the country because they haven't put forward that clear definition of net benefit and a process that allows for public consultations."



Canada's spy agency raised a red flag on foreign investment by state-owned firms in its annual report earlier this year.



Though CSIS didn't name specific countries or companies it said certain state-owned enterprises have pursued what it called opaque agendas or received clandestine intelligence support for their pursuits in Canada.



Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said the Nexen-CNOOC deal "raises a range of difficult policy questions."



At a news conference in Senegal earlier this month, he said there's a national security angle that factors into Canada's relationship with China.



CNOOC and Nexen weren't strangers when the deal was announced.



Last year, CNOOC scooped up Opti Canada, Nexen's beleaguered minority partner in its troubled Long Lake oilsands project. The two firms also worked together in the Gulf of Mexico.



While Nexen's headquarters are in Calgary, its strategic importance to Canada is questionable. Only about 30 per cent of its forecasted daily production in 2012 is from its Canadian operations, with the vast majority coming from offshore platforms in the North Sea and elsewhere around the globe.



Both Nexen and CNOOC have sought to allay concerns about the deal.



CNOOC is to keep the Nexen name and expand the role of the company's Calgary headquarters to manage not just Nexen's operations, but also some $8 billion of the Chinese company's other assets in North and Central America.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 25, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
[size=150]Albertan's Wary Of China Investment[/size]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/redford-skeptical-of-poll-showing-albertans-wary-of-china-investment-1.1009877
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 25, 2012, 02:16:05 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 25, 2012, 06:07:35 PM
The article at the top of the page is very interesting in that the Chinese so desperately want to buy this losing big money company. Well how are the Chinese going to make this company work then ? Are they better oilmen than Nexen ? Now if you go to any casino in Vancouver you will notice these very high stakes gambling games that are full of Chinese guys. Don't these guys have jobs that they have to go to in the morning ? I have heard that these games you need 50,000$ dollars just to enter. That's alot of money for these guys who don't have a job isn't it. I believe that China has alot of dirty money to throw in there. Now this is all fine and dandy. OUr real extate market has been taking advantage of this for a long time already. It's money into our economy. However it's our land that we are letting them take and our resources. They see us as their enemy . They don't see us as their friend. There is scheming going on and as the author of The Tartan Dragon said " whenever you do business with the Chinese you get a bloody nose" This also is the experience of those who have done extensive business in China. My instincts say that this is a very risky move. They need our oil, they will buy it without even if we don't let them take it over.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 26, 2012, 11:37:07 AM
Quote from: "Securious"




Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 26, 2012, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"
Yep, I read that yesterday.


I think Albertan's are a bellwether for the rest of us Canadians on this one Shen
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Post by: Securious on October 26, 2012, 02:01:09 PM
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Post by: Securious on October 26, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
[size=200]Third US Aircraft Carrier Stennis" Arrives In The Gulf[/size]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/us-aircraft-carrier-stennis-now-en-route-join-enterprise-and-eisenhower-just-iranian-coast
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 26, 2012, 03:46:15 PM
they[/i] know!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 26, 2012, 05:22:58 PM
[size=150]Corruption And The Chinese[/size]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinas-complicated-relationship-with-political-corruption/article4679876/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 27, 2012, 12:27:21 PM
[size=150]Canada/China Are Not In Direct Talks Over NEXEN Bid..[/size]

http://business.financialpost.com/2012/10/24/no-direct-talks-between-china-canada-concerning-cnoocs-nexen-bid-flaherty/



Statistically over 60% of Canadian shudder at the notion of China buying out our resources/THE NEXEN DEAL..for example. China  represents our enemies to a majority of sane and educated Canadians, hopefully sanity will reign and this deal wont happen, The Conservatives will then be assured of being re- elected under Harper again. If Harper allows this to go forward then he is falling on his sword and throwing to the wind the next election and making Canadians very angry. Did anyone say Trudeau...LOL. This is exactly what Trudeau would do, give Canada way to China.

Remember Trudeau was a closet Communist folks...is Harper/hmmm.







Anyone say "Desmarais", PowerCorp!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 27, 2012, 12:46:58 PM
but also] to satisfy its own population and growing needs.



Kilgour and others point out that the government has an obligation to prevent control of its resources being in the hands or another country.



Cooperate, sure, if it is in Canada's interests, but to cede control to a regime like China's is not only folly, but verges on treason



[me]
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[size=200]Anna Strong[/size]

http://www.stourwater.com/ALSindex.html
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Post by: Securious on October 29, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
[size=200]China Makes Strong Threats Against Japan[/size]



China warns of strong steps in Japan island spat



BEIJING | Fri Oct 26, 2012

BEIJING (Reuters) - China reserves the right to take strong countermeasures if Japan "creates incidents" in the waters around a group of disputed uninhabited islands in the East China Sea, a Chinese vice foreign minister said on Friday.



"We are watching very closely what action Japan might take regarding the Diaoyu islands and their adjacent waters," Zhang Zhijun said at an unusual late night news briefing. "The action that Japan might take will shape China's countermeasures."



Sino-Japanese relations took a dive after the Japanese government bought the islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, from a private Japanese owner in September, triggering violent protests and calls for boycotts of Japanese products across China.



"If Japan continues down its current wrong path and takes more erroneous actions and creates incidents regarding the Diaoyu Islands and challenges China, China will definitely take strong measures to respond to that," Zhang said.



"There is no lack of countermeasures China might take in response," he added.



"We have the confidence and the ability to uphold the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity. No amount of foreign threats or pressure will shake the resolve of the Chinese government and people."



Following Japan's purchase of the islands, China sent fishery patrol and marine surveillance vessels to waters near the islets, raising concern that confrontation with Japanese patrol ships could escalate into a broader conflict.



Senior Japanese and Chinese diplomats have met to discuss a dispute over East China Sea islets that both countries claim, the Japanese government said on Wednesday, underscoring willingness to talk despite a sharp deterioration in ties.



Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura confirmed talks between Tokyo and Beijing after domestic media reported that Japanese Vice Foreign Minister Chikao Kawai secretly met senior Chinese officials, including his counterpart, Zhang Zhijun, in Shanghai last week to discuss the dispute.



Zhang did not indicate that those talks had made any progress.



"In all levels of contact with the Japanese side, the Chinese side presented China's stern position and steely resolve to uphold China's sovereignty. We urge the Japanese side to give up its illusions and correct its mistakes," he said.



"Only this way can we return to normal relations."



China says the islands have been part of the country since ancient times. Taiwan also claims them.



The row with China, the world's second-largest economy and Japan's largest trading partner, has prompted the Bank of Japan to cut its outlook for economies in the region.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 29, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
belligerent China again!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 29, 2012, 06:35:51 PM
When is China going to claim Canada I wonder ? The chinese government wants a war with Japan. They want to take their massive populations minds distracted by a war so that they will forget that China is collapsing as post about this. Will WW3 be started by China or an attack on Iran ?  or possible something that we haven't imagined
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 29, 2012, 08:24:13 PM
inter-related
Title: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 12:03:16 PM
http://www.leadnow.ca/canada-not-for-sale



fill this out and send it NOW!!



 :evil:
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Romero on October 30, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
Done! Thank you!



Nearly 63,000 so far!
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 12:36:37 PM
I think Harper has [been bought] turned his back on Canadians personally and is marching to a different drummer [The Bilderburg comes to mind..he is a member]...I'll still vote for the party though, just sayin.
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Gary Oak on October 30, 2012, 12:41:26 PM
I signed up. Could it be that Harper was just following orders ?
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Romero on October 30, 2012, 12:49:58 PM
Orders from whom? Harper's in charge.
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Gary Oak on October 30, 2012, 12:50:55 PM
You Romero are too stupid to explain anything too as it is a proven fact that  you are incapable of understanding anything
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Romero on October 30, 2012, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"You Romero are too stupid to explain anything too as it is a proven fact that  you are incapable of understanding anything

Harper's the Prime Minister. He doesn't take orders, he gives them.



This trade agreement is wanted by Harper and is being pushed through by Harper.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 06:48:12 PM




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When Steven Dean stepped down in 2002 as president of Teck Cominco, now Teck Resources (TCK-T, TCK-N), his motivation was simple: he wanted to spend more time with his family after spending years on the road, a fact of life in the mining business.

But Dean didn't completely opt out during his time off from the industry. Among other things, he co-founded a copper company in Chile and got involved with a fertilizer play in China. But as soon as his kids headed off to university, he decided he should "probably get a little more serious about doing something."

That something turned out to be putting together a team to fast track the development of an iron ore project in the Labrador Trough of Quebec called Hopes Advance, and launching Oceanic Iron Ore (FEO-V, FEOVF-O) in late 2010. The team included Dean, chief financial officer Irfan Shariff, and more recently, Alan Gorman as president and chief operating officer.

The project had been tangled up in arbitration between hard-driving Toronto-based mining entrepreneur Pat Sheridan and a group of Middle Eastern partners. The dispute started five or six years ago, Dean says, when Sheridan thought he had sold the property to partners in the Middle East. The disagreement ended up in the hands of lawyers.

"The resource was locked up in international arbitration in London for a long time, so we said to the feuding parties, 'Stop — the project is not advancing while it is locked up in court. Let's settle the arbitration dispute and add some real value to the project.'"

Last week Oceanic Iron Ore completed a prefeasibility, demonstrating the project has a base-case, after-tax net present value of $3.2 billion, an after-tax internal rate of return of 16.8% unlevered (19.2% levered) and life-of-mine operating costs of just $30 per tonne.

"There are very few assets like this left in the world," Dean says, explaining how the project, which sits just 20 km from the coast, lured him out of retirement. "When it comes to bulk assets like this one, being on the coast is a huge advantage. There's not another project like it, not in Brazil, not in Australia, not in West Africa. They all have railway lines to build."

As a footnote, Dean calculates that building a 1,000 km railway line is typically a $2.5-billion to $3.5-billion capital project, if you can get it approved, and if you don't have to string it across multiple country borders in places like West Africa, or through different aboriginal communities in Quebec.

In the iron ore business in Canada, he continues, having to rail product adds costs of $15 to $20 per tonne. "That doesn't exist in our scheme of things," he says. "So almost by itself, that rail component makes us one of the lowest cost producers in Canada — and in fact, anywhere."

The large-scale deposit has a 2-billion-tonne iron ore resource, which translates to proven and probable reserves of 1.36 billion tonnes grading 32.2% iron, and a mine life of about 31 years. The concentrate grade would be 66.5%.

Construction capex is expected to come in at US$2.85 billion, with expansion capital costs of US$1.61 billion. In the first 15 years the project's strip ratio would be 0.5 to 1, and over the life of the mine it would run at 1.17 to 1.

Production could get underway in 2017 at a rate of 10 million tonnes per year, and expand to 20 million tonnes per year in 2027. At full production Hopes Advance could be the largest iron ore mine in North America, Dean says.

The company expects to provide its own power generation in the first eight years using a low-cost generating facility run on heavy fuel similar to bunker fuel, after which the project is expected to be connected to the Hydro Quebec power grid.

Oceanic believes it can complete an environmental impact study and a feasibility study next year, and start construction between 2014 and 2016.  

Dean and his management team are focused on tying up a deal with potential strategic partners that are primarily in China. Oceanic envisions structuring a transaction, probably an offtake agreement with an Asian steel company, and selling a piece of the project to the partner for a value based on its economics.

"We would sell thirty percent, forty percent, maybe as high as fifty percent to them, and they would pay us an amount over time that matches various milestones," Dean explains. "The third piece of a transaction, and we're not pioneering this model, is that you would bring a financing component — a debt-financing component. If you get a Chinese partner, you'd typically bring, say, an export-development bank, like Exim, or the China Development Bank, and they do it because they see the potential for trade."

Dean estimates that of the $2.8 billion, for instance, as much as $1 billion of the capital could be supplied by China. In that way, he explains, it's a trade deal and a bank-financing deal, as well as a deal that sources raw materials and participates in project profits.

At press time Oceanic was trading at 18¢ within a 52-week range of 13¢ to 45¢. The company has about 174.7 million shares outstanding and 229.2 million fully diluted.

Daniel Greenspan of Macquarie Capital Markets in Toronto has an "outperform" rating on the stock and a 12-month price target of 50¢ per share.

"Oceanic remains a compelling, early stage iron-ore development story," Greenspan writes in a note to clients. "The positive prefeasibility study is an important milestone . . . which helps de-risk the technical aspects of development. We continue to believe that over the medium to long-term, production in the Labrador Trough will migrate further north. And with its low operating expenditure estimate reflecting the location close to tidewater and the low strip ratio, we believe Oceanic is in a good position to develop Hopes Advance relative to its northern peers."

Gary Lampard of Canaccord Genuity also has a target price of 50¢ on Oceanic, and holds a "speculative buy" rating on the stock.



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Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 06:51:49 PM
you may consider applying this 'on-going theme' to the other thread-this one will merge
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Obvious Li on October 30, 2012, 06:54:48 PM
listen..the bottom line is that demand for oil in the USA has flatlined and will be so for the foreseeable future.....we now are held hostage to US crude prices for our oil which includes a significant discount to market......this affect EVERYONE in canada......so we MUST get our energy to other markets, primarily in Asia and specifically to China....we have NO choice...so get used to having to deal with china and all it's foibles.....or face having your welfare payments drastically reduced in the near future.....
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"You Romero are too stupid to explain anything too as it is a proven fact that  you are incapable of understanding anything

Harper's the Prime Minister. He doesn't take orders, he gives them.



This trade agreement is wanted by Harper and is being pushed through by Harper.


Dear Dear, there is much you need to understand about modern politics my son. You are living in a pink world boy.
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"listen..the bottom line is that demand for oil in the USA has flatlined and will be so for the foreseeable future.....we now are held hostage to US crude prices for our oil which includes a significant discount to market......this affect EVERYONE in canada......so we MUST get our energy to other markets, primarily in Asia and specifically to China....we have NO choice...so get used to having to deal with china and all it's foibles.....or face having your welfare payments drastically reduced in the near future.....




Its our resources, specifically Oil & Gas that makes this nation sovereign..to sell it off to our enemies is madness. What's more important this urgency of becoming someone else's plaything or the selling of our freedom and independence, sovreingty trumps everything..got that straight. Sure economic matters effect everyone..DUH! We need to industrialize this nation finally, not toy at it, and in the meantime broaden our market base. Too many eggs are being placed into one nightmarish cage..this is such foolishness I cant begin to explain the minutia surrounding why its not prudent or intelligent period.



If they want it that badly they will buy it on our terms..so dont sell the baby w/the bath water. Let them stew awhile.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
[size=200]The Government [Selling Off Canada/WHY?][/size]

   Government is selling off the very best of Canada

By June Ross, The Daily NewsOctober 30, 2012  



I am writing to raise the alarm bells for everyone and anyone who reads your paper. Canada is being stripped of everything that is precious to us. Our democracy, the rule of law, our environment, our natural resources are all being given away at fire sale prices through omnibus bills and extremely flawed trade agreements. It must be stopped or there will be nothing left of our country for us or our children.



The government is the seller of our country. Among the many issues of FIPA are the following: In one week Prime Minister Harper could commit Canada to the most sweeping trade deal in a generation without a single debate or vote.



If the Canada-China FIPA passes, it will pave the way for China's massive companies to spend billions buying out Canada's natural resource companies.



Under FIPA, China's companies can sue Canadian governments, federal, provincial or municipal, in secret tribunals outside the Canadian court system if those governments do anything that would limit the companies' profits in Canada. Why are we allowing this to happen?



The latest omnibus bill is also a travesty against all that we, as Canadians, hold dear, particularly in terms of the environment. Yes, this is happening once again.



The Navigable Waters Protection Act and the government's commitment to consulting Canadians to review its effectiveness was first adopted in 1882, and triggered federal environmental reviews of projects that threatened to disrupt bodies of water. The words are being changed in the Act from 'navigable waters' to 'navigation'. Anyone who reads this change knows what it means! Thousands of our lakes, rivers and streams will no longer be protected.



Final huge change? The Department of Transport's website appears to have deleted lines from its website that suggested "future opportunities for consultation."



Please, Canadians. I beg you to wake up and end this slaughter!



June Ross Nanaimo
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 08:39:24 PM
CITIC Group[/b]

People's Republic of China

 

The CITIC Group is the state owned conglomerate that oversees the Chinese government's international investments.  It was founded by Li Ka Shing and Henry Fok.   Li Ka-shing one of the world's richest men, is the owner of Hutchison Whampoa Limited and has been involved in such business activities as the Panama Canal, Suez Canal, and various other business deals of a global nature.  The relationship between his communications companies like Hutchison Telecommunications and their part in Internet censorship in China is at this time a question.   CITIC Pacific is part of this CITIC group and Paul Desmarais is a board member and is reported to have 4% of the shares.  CITIC is one of the 5 companies along with Minmetals that bid for Noranda.  The parent company of Noranda is Brascan, owned by the Bronfmans.  Charles R. Bronfman (see listing above) is also part of this advisory council. The chairman of Noranda is Trevor Eyton, Conservative Senator, appointed by Brian Mulroney (see listing above).



Wei Ming Yi also sits on the International Advisory Board of MMC: Marsh & McLennan Companies, Inc  along with John R. Evans, the Chairman of Torstar Corporation who own the Toronto Star among other newspapers and media and part of Sing Tao Daily the pro communists Chinese newspaper.  John R. Evans is also the chair of Canada Foundation for Innovation (CFI).
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Romero on October 30, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: "Securious"Dear Dear, there is much you need to understand about modern politics my son. You are living in a pink world boy.

Harper isn't controlled by Jesuits, the Black Pope, aliens or whatever. But even if he was, why would you support such a man?



You and Gary are just looking for silly excuses. Harper and the Conservatives are pushing through this agreement. It's that simple.



Remember what I told you before the last election? Harper is going to make us China's bitch. You and Gary voted for it. I didn't.
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 08:49:34 PM
so so much you will never know, your little pink world clouds your judgment little one. You have no appreciation for the reality of the halls of power, it never rests on one man, a party is behind that man..and there are "others".  Wag the finger all you wish [and we all laugh BTW] but your myopic view of the world stunts your thinking..little one.
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 30, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
you know I am right, boy
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Obvious Li on October 30, 2012, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Securious"Dear Dear, there is much you need to understand about modern politics my son. You are living in a pink world boy.

Harper isn't controlled by Jesuits, the Black Pope, aliens or whatever. But even if he was, why would you support such a man?



You and Gary are just looking for silly excuses. Harper and the Conservatives are pushing through this agreement. It's that simple.



Remember what I told you before the last election? Harper is going to make us China's bitch. You and Gary voted for it. I didn't.




holy shit never thought i would see the day i would agree with homer...all except the bitch part...this is Harpers baby..he knows how important it is...especially when we have an unreliable retard in the white house...........
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Obvious Li on October 30, 2012, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Securious"Dear Dear, there is much you need to understand about modern politics my son. You are living in a pink world boy.

Harper isn't controlled by Jesuits, the Black Pope, aliens or whatever. But even if he was, why would you support such a man?



You and Gary are just looking for silly excuses. Harper and the Conservatives are pushing through this agreement. It's that simple.



Remember what I told you before the last election? Harper is going to make us China's bitch. You and Gary voted for it. I didn't.




holy shit never thought i would see the day i would agree with homer...all except the bitch part...this is Harpers baby..he knows how important it is...especially when we have an unreliable retard in the white house...........
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Obvious Li on October 30, 2012, 09:08:45 PM
double double post post
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Romero on October 30, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
Quote from: "Securious"so so much you will never know, your little pink world clouds your judgment little one. You have no appreciation for the reality of the halls of power, it never rests on one man, a party is behind that man..and there are "others".  Wag the finger all you wish [and we all laugh BTW] but your myopic view of the world stunts your thinking..little one.

Spin it all you want but the fact is Harper and the Conservatives are the only ones pushing for this agreement and ramming it through. They've being doing China's bidding since the day you helped them become the majority government.



The opposition parties oppose the agreement and have been sounding the alarm. Exactly what you're doing, by the way. Yet Harper and the Conservatives won't even let Parliament and Canadians discuss it!



This agreement wouldn't have happened with a minority or any other government.
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Gary Oak on October 30, 2012, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: "Securious"so so much you will never know, your little pink world clouds your judgment little one. You have no appreciation for the reality of the halls of power, it never rests on one man, a party is behind that man..and there are "others".  Wag the finger all you wish [and we all laugh BTW] but your myopic view of the world stunts your thinking..little one.


   Romero is incapable of grasping anything that isn't in his fantasy pink world dream state of mind. I have given up trying to explain anything. It doesn't matter how correct or obvious the truth is ...if it doesn't fit with Homo-ero's fantasy pink world mindset then it won't register.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on October 30, 2012, 11:43:37 PM
What the HELL IS GOING ON HERE ! There is more to this story than we know. I just don't know what. Was Harper bought ? if so  then how much ? What does the CIA say about all of this. They are keeping an eye on this as well you can be sure. There is something going on here that we don't understand ...yet.
Title: Re: URGENT/CANADA NOT FOR SALE!!
Post by: Securious on October 31, 2012, 01:35:49 AM
Sadly it would
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 31, 2012, 02:12:59 AM
All the worlds major intel-agencies are part of the problem [Knights of Malta, in other words 'gatekeepers'] You wont find help from them Gary.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 31, 2012, 11:48:19 AM
this is no brinkmanship maneuver BTW...this is real



How convenient that 3 war class vessels [US Aircraft carriers] are at the ready in the Gulf..the, USS Kennedy,USS Eisenhower and the USS Stennis just sitting pretty. Just imagine if 3 situations occur, that the  Iranians start something, the Chinese and the Pakistanis, all at the same time. hmmm



Do you think Canada will chip in to help out our friends the Japanese, what with this [FIPA] deal and all?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 31, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
China Described As Fascist?











BEIJING — Chinese politics is controlled by the Communist Party and its powerful families and factions, so when the son of a former party chief says the state is virtually "fascist," it's worth listening.



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.That's what Hu Deping, son of the late Hu Yaobang, the party general secretary forced to resign in 1987 for being too reform-minded, said to a group of mostly Chinese businesspeople and environmentalists in late 2005, in the Great Hall of the People on Tiananmen Square. (Because of his father's fall, Mr. Hu is outside the mainstream of power, dubbed a "nonprinceling," but his pedigree still makes him a party aristocrat.)



Seven years later, with pressure for political reform mounting and a new generation of leaders to be announced in that same Great Hall of the People at the 18th Party Congress, which starts next Thursday, Mr. Hu's words continue to reverberate. What is China today, and where is it headed?



Here's what Mr. Hu said, according to my notes: "No matter how authoritarian this society is, even fascist, the people of this country still want justice. One thing they seek is profit, and the other is justice."



Is today's China fascist?



To cite a few characteristics, starting with the one-party state: Since the economic reforms that followed the death of Mao Zedong, it has grown immensely wealthy through its state-owned companies, some of which rank among the world's richest. What was once a poor, authoritarian state has become a rich, authoritarian state.



The rights to speak and associate freely remain tightly hobbled despite some relaxation, and some top officials openly scorn democracy. The courts obey the party's directives.



Official slogans increasingly exhort nationalism and "national rejuvenation," a concept rooted in a mystical sense of nationhood popular with fascist thinkers in the last century.



"The signs have long been there," said Wang Lixiong, a prominent writer and scholar. "I feel there is a very clear trend toward fascism, and the source of fascism comes from the ever-growing power of the power holders." China is "a police state," he said, where power rules for power's sake.



The passing of Mao did not lead to power-sharing, it just stripped China of its Communist ideology, and no convincing value system has filled the gap, he said.



"Power has become an interest group," Mr. Wang said.



"Today the interest groups have no ideology," he said. "Their goal is to protect their own profit and power. They can only rely on power to rule, because they have no goal that convinces the people. So the state relies on power to suppress society and attain its objectives. I think there's no other route the power holders can go."



These are large issues. On a more human scale, I was reminded of Mr. Hu's words on Monday when five men, several of whom said they were police officers, came to our Beijing apartment to check our passports, visas and residence permits, almost certainly part of the stepped-up security before the Party Congress.



Seconds after they left, a loud argument erupted in the corridor outside. Through the spy hole I watched a Chinese neighbor loudly berate the police for meddling. The checks are intimidating and resented — and people increasingly are not afraid to say so.



For sure, terms other than "fascism" are also used to describe what's going on. Xu Jilin, a leading intellectual and history professor at East China Normal University, in Shanghai, for example, writes that "statism" has grown dominant in the past decade.



In an essay last year, Mr. Xu warned that in an atmosphere where the Communist Party and the state claim the sole right to represent the "universal interest," China may "re-tread the broken road of 20th-century Germany and Japan."



For John Delury, a professor at Yonsei University, in South Korea, there are important differences between classic fascism, such as Nazi Germany's, and what is happening in China today.



"Absolutely the critical thing is how to define fascism," he said by telephone from Seoul.



"One of the strongest objections to using the word fascism is that a central element of fascism was mass mobilization," which included the symbolism and choreography associated with, for example, Hitler's rallies at Nuremberg, Mr. Delury said. While Mao did that, the current leadership does not, he said, a sign that the term does not exactly fit.



"I think still this leadership is very post-Mao, if not anti-Mao," said Mr. Delury.



Yet for Mr. Wang, fascism is a threat, even without Mao's charismatic leadership. He points to rising nationalism at home, increasingly directed overseas.



Does it surprise him to hear what was once a taboo word, an epithet to be hurled at the enemies of Communism, used by a member of China's elite — even if a critical member — to describe China's political direction?



"I'm not surprised to hear it, because they know, the people in these ruling circles, they don't think it's strange, they know what's happening," he said
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on October 31, 2012, 02:24:32 PM
[size=200]Here are the FIPPA Petitions[/size]



http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/sumofus-and-leadnow-deliver-petition-60000-anti-canada-china-fippa-signatures-ottawa
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 02, 2012, 09:58:53 AM
[size=200]NEXEN-CNOOC 8 questions[/size]

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1281332--nexen-cnooc-deal-eight-questions
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 02, 2012, 06:14:15 PM
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By Christopher Majka| November 2, 2012





It's now Halloween in Canada all year round. At every unexpected turn another grim apparition appears. The scream from one shock has barely faded when another ghastly spectre rises from the neo-conservative crypt of horrors to stalk the land, a headless, brainless zombie intent on political terrorism.



The faults of FIPPA



Today's abomination is called the China-Canada Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPPA). This investment agreement, which many commentators feel is at least as important as NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement signed in 1993) in terms of its impact on Canadian trade, locks the country into a 31-year long pas de deux with a system that Andrew Nikiforuk calls "gangster capitalism." FIPPA has suddenly leapt like a full-fledged baroque horror out of the Machiavellian political backrooms onto the front stage of Canadian politics.



Writing in the Ottawa Citizen, Terry Glavin calls this "protection agreement" a "protection racket" that works like this:



"Beijing promises that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) will regularize its bribe system and put the boots to China's subnational, provincial, county and municipal governments on behalf of Canadian companies, in the same way that the CCP's enforcers put the boots to everyone on behalf of Beijing's state-owned enterprises. So long as Canadian investors do as they're told, everybody gets along.



"To reciprocate, Ottawa promises that China's state-owned companies will be similarly exempt from any impertinence from the Canadian courts, from the provinces and from municipalities. Any backchat -- say, a law sensibly requiring that Alberta bitumen be upgraded and refined in Canada rather than pumped through Beijing-financed pipelines to awaiting tankers on the west coast -- and the upstarts can be punished with penalties assigned by special, closed arbitration tribunals in decisions beyond the reach of judicial review."



Although the NDP, Liberals, and Green Party are aghast at how this treaty is being railroaded through the House of Commons at breakneck speed, with virtually no parliamentary oversight, opportunity for examination by committees, expert analysis and testimony, or input from citizens, the real horror is a government that conducts itself in this way. In Stephen Harper and the triumph of the corporation state Frances Russell writes about the "open disdain for Canada's system of Parliamentary democracy" displayed by Prime Minister Stephen Harper who has thrown the country's democratic system "under the bus."



"The Harper government has turned parliamentary democracy upside down. The government doesn't answer to parliament, it requires Parliament to answer to the government. ... This led the director of the Constitution Unit at University College, London, to write: 'Canada's Parliament is more dysfunctional than any of the other Westminster Parliaments. No prime minister in any Commonwealth country with a governor general, until Harper, has ever sought prorogation to avoid a vote of confidence.'"



Missing the boat or selling the store?



This chamber of horrors provides a fitting backdrop for another lesson from The nine habits of highly effective resource economies: Lessons for Canada, published by the Canadian International Council (CIC) and written by Madeline Drohan. The fifth habit selected by Drohan is what she calls "Get on the global boat and cast wide trade nets." It provides a penetrating analysis of why trade is vital for Canada, and what kind of trade agreements are good -- and bad -- for the country. All trade agreements were not created equal and Canada can either be enriched and empowered, or sold down the river and swindled blind.



Canada has some natural advantages when it comes to trade. Our large reserves of natural resources, and our history of hewing wood and drawing water, place Canada 13th globally in goods exports (with a global market share of 2.5 per cent) and 18th in service exports (with a share of 1.8 per cent). This isn't insubstantial, but it's not stellar either given that the majority of Canadian exports (73 per cent) end up in just one market: the USA (in comparison, 34 per cent of American exports go to Canada).







However, our market share has been slipping badly over the past decade. The figure above illustrates the percentage change in export performance amongst the G-20 nations between 2000-2010. During that time Canada's market share has declined 40 per cent, the second worst amongst the G-20 nations (trailing only that of the United Kingdom, whose share has slipped 44 per cent). This decline is at the expense of the BRIC nations; Brazil (+ 45 per cent), Russia (+ 55 per cent), India (+ 125 per cent), and China (+ 173 per cent); and Turkey (+76 per cent) and Australia (+ 42 per cent).



The CIC report notes that there are several factors responsible for this dramatic decline:



1. The inflated value of the Canadian dollar (a.k.a., Dutch Disease), an economic phenomenon that the Harper Conservatives continue to deny exists (see Dutch Disease denial: Inflation, politics and tar);



2. Declining Canadian productivity; and



3. Most importantly from the perspective of the report, that Canadian trade is concentrated in slow growing economies.



Indeed, 85 per cent of Canadian exports go to the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, France, Belgium, and Italy -- all economies with average annual growth rates of under 2 per cent. Compare this with the BRIC nations: Brazil (3.5 per cent), Russia (5.5 per cent), India (7.5 per cent), and China (10.5 per cent). It would clearly benefit Canada to diversify its trade so as to be able to better connect to a wider variety of countries, and in particular, some of the economies where activity is currently strong. However, this is no panacea, and there are downsides (economic and social) in developing trade with nations where there is corruption, political repression, instability, or other problems. Canadian interests risk propping up un-popular or anti-democratic regimes.



However, as the CIC report makes clear, what is more important than whom Canada trades with, are the details of the trade agreements that it operates through, and how those agreements were concluded.



Not all trade agreements are created equal



In addition to NAFTA (with the USA and Mexico), Canada already has Free Trade Agreements (FTAs) with Columbia, Peru, Costa Rica, Chile, and the European Free Trade Association in place and the implementation of agreements with Honduras, Panama, and Jordan expected soon. A dozen others are in negotiation including the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) with the 27 member European Union. There are 24 Foreign Investment Protection Agreements (FIPAs). However, devils always dwell in details.



The CIC report focuses on a critical distinction that differentiates successes from sellouts:



"The interests of a small, open country like Canada are best served by the broadest possible agreement with the largest number of partners. This is true because in large negotiations Canada is more likely to achieve results that would probably elude it in one-on-one negotiations; because a multilateral deal opens many markets at once instead of one at a time; and because it sets global ground rules for trade instead of creating a patchwork of sometimes conflicting obligations."



With a global export market share of 2.5 per cent, Canada is not a trade superpower. In one-on-one negotiations with the United States, China -- or for that matter the European Union (Canada is negotiating CETA not as one nation amongst a club of 28, but as one very junior partner with the entire EU) -- Canada is a bit player with little leverage for its genuine interests to be accommodated, or to achieve reciprocity. In other words, we get steamrollered. Those countries with which Canada can negotiate equitable, reciprocal terms -- such as the recent free trade agreements with Columbia, Chile, Costa Rica, and Peru -- tend to be equally small players on the global trade scene. Thus, the CIC report recommends that Canada eschew developing an overlapping patchwork of bilateral trade deals, and focus on multilateral or regional agreements that bring greater coherence to the market, open up larger areas of the globe, and put Canada on an equal footing with its trade partners.



The report's other main conclusion is that Canadian firms understand the changing nature of trade. Increasingly, it is not the case that companies produce a product "lock, stock, and barrel," but rather that they assemble goods and services in complex ways through what are know as value chains or value grids (also known as distributive or integrative trade). Companies can position themselves at the top of a chain (as Canadian manufacturers such as Research in Motion and Bombardier, or cultural producer Cirque du Soleil, have done) and/or plug specific goods or services into the value chains being assembled by others. If Canada wants to step beyond the traditional "hewer of wood and drawer of water" role that it has cast itself in, government and business need to understand the global value chains of their sectors, pro-actively take advantage of these, and be prepared to create imaginative new ones of their own.



Further FIPPA fibs



It's worth underscoring that little of the above good advice holds true in relation to the China-Canada FIPPA, an investment agreement, which it appears will have Canadians over a bitumen barrel. In recent days the debate on this FIPPA has reached the boiling point. Spearheaded by LeadNow.ca, almost 67,000 Canadians have petitioned Stephen Harper to reject the treaty. New Democratic Party leader Thomas Mulcair has been adamant that "The Conservatives will not tie the hands of the NDP. We will revoke this agreement if it is not in the best interests of Canadians." Green Party leader Elizabeth May said that the treaty "threatens our security, our sovereignty and our democracy" and will turn Canada into a "resource colony" of China. Meanwhile, interim Liberal leader Bob Rae is protesting the lack of transparency surrounding the agreement and why it requires 15 years advance notice to withdraw from it when the term specified in most trade agreements is a year or less. Such secrecy, he said, "creates suspicion in the public that there's something to hide."



And FIPPA, doesn't only look like a rotten investment deal for Canada; it's principle function will be to even further enrich the über-elites of the Chinese Communist Party that control its web of mammoth State Owned Enterprises (SOEs). Back to Terry Glavin's article The Canada-China investment protection racket:



"While China's per-capita income hovers around that of sand-rich Turkmenistan, last year the net worth of the wealthiest 70 members of China's laughably named National People's Congress, by Bloomberg News' calculations, was $89.8 billion. China's nouveau riche know very well that the jig is up. Two surveys carried out in 2011 by China's Merchant Bank and by Shanghai's Hurun Institute found that roughly 60 per cent of China's millionaires are already preparing for emigration or are planning to leave the minute a chance arises.



"The Communist Party's princelings have been plundering the country so ravenously that China's financial institutions are starting to feel the shocks of capital flight. The China Economic Weekly reports that over the past 12 years more than 18,000 executives and officers of Chinese state-owned enterprises have been caught trying to flee with plundered funds. According to a study published just last week by the Washington, D.C.-based organization Global Financial Integrity, China's elites squirrelled $472 billion out of the country last year alone. This isn't socialism with Chinese characteristics. This is the Sopranos with Chinese characteristics."



If Canada is not to become complicit in the resource plunder of our own country, as well as the corruption and economic plunder of other states, we need to have a political administration that understands there are ethical dimensions to trade. That equitable and fair trade can enrich people and their societies and bring prosperity and stability, but that poorly conceived, unfairly structured, inadequately regulated, and inequitably distributed trade can ruin the environment, squander resources, destabilize the climate, undermine social structures, and enrich the power elites and transnational corporations at the expense of the other 99 per cent of humanity. Back to Winnipeg-based freelance writer Frances Russell who captures this perfectly:



"[Harper's] fixation with control and secrecy drives his government's relationship with the provinces, with whom he largely refuses to meet, as well as the negotiation and conclusion of trade treaties, which he signs with abandon, and with virtually no parliamentary oversight, consultation or debate allowed. In fact, elevating corporate rights over the rights of citizens and their democratic institutions seems to be the Harper government's core agenda."
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 01:20:38 AM






TOKYO — Chinese patrol ships entered waters around a disputed island group in the East China Sea for a 14th straight day on Friday, in what analysts here called a sign that China had embarked on what appeared to be a new, long-term strategy for challenging Japan's control of the islands.





.While Chinese ships have sailed near the islands before, this is the first time since a recent flare-up began that they have plied the waters so consistently. Analysts say that suggests China is trying to wear down Japan's resolve in the dispute, and possibly even trying to chip away at Japan's claim of having effective control over the uninhabited islands established in part by its own maritime patrols.



"This is the beginning of a war of patience, a war of attrition," said Kunihiko Miyake, research director at the Canon Institute for Global Studies in Tokyo. "This promises to be a long, long showdown in which China tries not to provoke Japan, but instead to discourage Japan from continuing to try to control those islands."



The Japanese Coast Guard said that on Friday six Chinese ships — four belonging to a maritime surveillance agency and two fisheries patrol ships — had entered waters claimed by Japan near the islands, known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in Chinese. The coast guard said Japanese cutters intercepted the vessels, warning them by radio to leave.



The Chinese ships responded via radio that they were "carrying out valid operations in Chinese waters," according to the coast guard. It said the Chinese ships stayed for about two hours, coming as close as 14 miles to the largest island, Uotsuri, just outside the 12-mile territorial limit but well within the broader zone of economic control claimed by Japan.



Tensions over the islands intensified in recent months as the Japanese government announced it planned to buy three of the islands still owned by a Japanese citizen. While Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda of Japan said he had made the purchase to prevent the islands from falling into the hands of Tokyo's nationalist governor, China reacted with anger at the move, which it viewed as upsetting an uneasy status quo in which each side had avoided provoking the other.



The Japanese government's decision touched off angry street demonstrations in China in which Japanese businesses were ransacked and burned, and a continuing informal boycott of Japanese goods has helped depress Japan's overall trade performance and its gross domestic product numbers. While the Chinese government eventually clamped down on the protests, it has kept up the ship visits. Japan has responded by dispatching dozens of coast guard vessels to waters near the islands, where they are on the lookout for paramilitary ships and fishing boats from China as well as from Taiwan, which also claims the islands.



An economic stimulus package approved by Parliament last week will strengthen the coast guard by speeding up procurement of helicopters and seven more patrol ships.



Such a show of resolve has been uncharacteristic for confrontation-averse Japan, and taken in combination with the latest dispatch of Chinese ships has led some analysts and former diplomats to warn that the current standoff could drag on for some time.



A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hong Lei, refused to say how long China would send its ships into waters around the islands. However, he said the Chinese surveillance ships were "completely justified," describing their maneuvers as "a normal part of their duty" in overseeing China's sovereign interests.



China also appears to be ratcheting up pressure by broadening its effort to use current and former senior officials to make China's case to the world. In a speech in Hong Kong this week, Chen Jian, China's former ambassador to Japan, took aim at the United States, saying its support of its ally Japan was encouraging what he called a return of Japanese militarism.



Other Chinese officials and news media have taken a similar view, blaming a swing in Japan to the nationalist right for the tensions. However, analysts in Tokyo, and some in the United States, say China has seized upon Japan's purchase of the islands as a pretext for pressing its longstanding claims.



They said that the continuing Chinese pressure has seemed to confirm a growing sense of Japanese insecurity over China's rising economic and military presence in the region, as well as the relative decline of both itself and its longtime protector, the United States. That nervousness has made Japan more willing to push back. "It is disingenuous to claim the Japanese caused this problem," said Kevin Maher, a former United States diplomat in Japan who is now a senior adviser at NMV Consulting, based in New York. "But this has been an eye-opening experience for people in Japan to see that the security environment in East Asia can be a dangerous place."



Japan's anxieties have also provided at least some opportunity for a small but vocal group of nationalists like Tokyo's governor, Shintaro Ishihara, whom many in Japan blame for starting the current flare-up with China by proclaiming in the spring that he would buy the islands.



Analysts said it was unlikely that China would go as far as attempting a forceful takeover of the islands. Rather, said Mr. Maher, the goal may be to try to undermine Japan's claims under international law that it wields effective control over them, while building a legal basis for making similar claims of its own.



China's motives appear to be partly economic: the Chinese economy's hunger for the petroleum and natural gas that scientists believe lie under the ocean floor surrounding the islands. Analysts also cited a Chinese desire for payback for Japan's brutal World War II-era invasion of China. China says Japan seized the islands from China in 1895 as a first step toward Japan's empire-building in Asia. Japan says it annexed islands that were not claimed by any nation.



The analysts said China may also have a military motive in claiming the islands, which sit in waters between China and Okinawa that the Chinese military would seek to control in the event of any conflict.



By deploying paramilitary ships, analysts said, both nations were being careful not to call in their navies, in order to avoid a dangerous escalation. Still, Japanese Coast Guard ships and many of China's surveillance ships are armed, leading to concerns that a miscalculation or human error by a single sailor could touch off a violent confrontation.



The United States has so far taken a neutral position on sovereignty over the islands, though it has said any Chinese attack on the islands would fall under the treaty under which it is bound to defend Japan. Mr. Maher said the United States should take a more active role by telling China to stop the pressure tactics.



"The Chinese are using intimidation and threat of force against our closest ally in the region," Mr. Maher said, "and this is not something that the U.S. should be neutral about."





Jane Perlez contributed reporting from Hong Kong.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 02:02:45 AM
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LeadNow.ca's Matthew Carroll and SumOfUs' Emma Pullman. Two young Canadians delivered a petition with over 60,000 signatures to Ottawa this morning.  The petition was signed by Canadians who oppose a Canada-China investment treaty and a major takeover bid by a Chinese state-owned company of a Canadian energy firm.



The Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Act (FIPPA) is slated to be ratified within the next two weeks, though the Ministry of International Trade did not confirm a specific date as of today.



"FIPPA has gone from obscurity to national prominence in just a couple of weeks," said Emma Pullman, a campaigner with SumOfUs. SumOfUs is an advocacy group for sustainable business.





Canadians of all ages across Canada signed the petition, Pullman said. She recounted an email from a 78-year-old man who lived in Canada his whole life.



He wrote] Ed Fast, and I said, 'Is there going to be a technical briefing for MPs?' He said no. I said, 'Can I get a technical briefing for myself?' And he said 'Oh, sure, anytime.' It took a month to set up," May said.



"I think this whole thing is a travesty of democracy. I can't tell you how angry I am."



May spoke at a press conference in Ottawa this morning to present a petition with over 60,000 signatures from Canadians opposed to the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Act (FIPPA).



A Ministry of International Trade spokesman maintained that the federal government has introduced an "unprecedented approach to bringing international treaties to the scrutiny of the House of Commons."



"Contrary to their rhetoric, the Opposition had four opportunities so far to debate this treaty in Parliament. Each time they've chosen not to," he wrote.



He also maintained that the Canada-China investment agreement is "similar to the 24 other investment treaties Canada has signed with key trade and investment partners."



"We join countries such as New Zealand, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Japan, who have all signed investment treaties with China on terms that are similar to or in most cases less favourable than the terms we have negotiated with China," he wrote.



But opposition MPs, international treaty experts and Canadian citizens have expressed increasing alarm at the potential implications of signing a major investment agreement with China, which has billions of dollars in natural resource investments.



Belgium is currently facing a $2 billion arbitration claim from China under a foreign investment protection treaty clause. The claim is filed by China's second-largest insurer, Ping An Insurance Group, against the Belgian government over the expropriation of a Belgian-Dutch bank.





The Canada-China FIPPA will be ratified after an Order in Council, which, according to the Government of Canada, is a "royal prerogative" requiring the Governor General's signing off on the treaty.



The Ministry of International Trade spokesman did not confirm a specific date the Canada-China FIPPA will be ratified.



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Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 12:28:53 PM
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[size=200]NDP Questions Extension


NDP criticizes Nexen review extension



NDP MP for Burnaby-New Westminster, Peter Julian speaks to reporters after Minister of Fisheries and Oceans Keith Ashfield spoke about the planned closure of Vancouver's Kitsilano Coast Guard station during a news conference in Vancouver, B.C., on Tuesday, June 26, 2012. (Darryl Dyck/THE CANADIAN PRESS)



 Ottawa on Tuesday, Oct. 30, 2012. (Fred Chartrand / THE CANADIAN PRESS)



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The New Democrats are criticizing the Conservative government's surprise announcement Friday to extend the review of a Chinese company's bid to take over Canadian oil producer Nexen.



Industry Minister Christian Paradis issued a news release Friday night saying the government was extending its review. until Dec. 10.



Under the Investment Canada Act, the federal government has to review the bid to determine whether the takeover would bring a "net benefit" to Canada. The initial 45-day review period has been set to end Nov. 10.



"Extensions to the review period are not unusual. In general terms, the Act provides an initial 45 days for the review, which can be extended for an additional 30 days," Paradis said in his release.



New Democrat MP Peter Julian laughed at the timing of the release. He tells The Canadian Press when politicians make announcements on a Friday night it's because they're scared of the public's reaction.



Julian says it appears the government wants to approve the controversial $15.1-billion deal, but is trying to buy time because of growing public opposition.



The New Democrats say the federal review process has already been too secretive. Julian suggested that with the review now slated to run until mid-December, the plan may be to quietly announce approval for the deal sometime during the Christmas holidays.



"I think the way this government works and its lack of respect for the public means that they're going to be looking to rubber stamp it sometime during the Christmas season, hoping that public reaction will blow over," he told CP in an interview.



State-owned China National Offshore Oil Co. (CNOOC) announced in July that it wanted to buy Calgary-based Nexen, which owns oil sands and shale gas. But immediately, concerns were raised about the idea of turning over Canada's precious natural resources to a Chinese state-owned company.



The NDP has said the proposed deal raises many questions, including whether CNOOC will protect jobs and keep Nexen's head office in Canada. As well, they say it's unclear how Canada's environmental standards will be enforced.



The NDP is also concerned about what the deal might mean for national security. Canada's spy agency CSIS warned in its annual report this year that foreign investment by state-owned firms can pose security concerns, though it didn't mention China specifically.



Prime Minister Stephen Harper has acknowledged the Nexen bid "raises a range of difficult policy questions."



CNOOC has already publicly pledged to keep Nexen's head office in Calgary, seek a listing on the Toronto Stock Exchange and place $8 billion of its assets under the control of Nexen's management in Canada.



It has also promised to carry on Nexen's social responsibility programs in Canada and around the world.



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Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-criticizes-nexen-review-extension-1.1023137#ixzz2BB3gAADc
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Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
More from Environmentalist nutbar, Elizabeth May talking about Harpers sneaky Canada/China trade deal!



Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
these peeps are making hay while the Conservative Government goes under over China. This is the party that will take over in Canada unless harper smartens up fast!, it senses victory. Harper needs to say no to China right NOW!

The MAI was in her speech..I was a witness in parliament when it was tabled. She is right on that one. And is on track to win over this isssue abut China too.
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Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 01:35:33 PM
the message that he will send to the rest of the world is China cant be trusted nor should they capture Canada's resources for themselves. This will have a positive repercussion in that any other deal will be welcomed as it will be a fair trade deal with countries that reciprocate in kind...not a state owned conglomerate from a totalitarian communist system. See the difference!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: "Securious"More from Environmentalist nutbar, Elizabeth May talking about Harpers sneaky Canada/China trade deal!



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Post by: Securious on November 03, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 04, 2012, 06:20:55 PM
QuoteMiners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily



If you don't think Chinese miners should be coming to British Columbia as temporary foreign workers in new coal mines, get ready to be really angry.



That's because the federal Conservative government will ratify a foreign investment agreement this week, ensuring even more Chinese takeovers of Canada's natural resources -- and jobs.



And if you doubt that China-owned coal companies had no choice but to import their own workers to B.C. because no trained, experienced miners are available, prepare to get downright furious.



The reason is simple. Neither the coal companies nor the federal or B.C. governments wanted to train Canadian workers -- even though it's nowhere near as hard as they claim.



Is longwall mining that rare and complicated? No. Is China the only source of longwall miners? No. Just the cheapest.



There's no excuse for importing temporary foreign workers given that it has been well known since 2007 that Chinese coal companies were planning on developing mines in northeast B.C.



And in 2008 a provincial task force recommended creating a new underground miner-training program to deal with an expected shortage.



But unlike in the U.S., absolutely nothing was done in B.C. to meet that need.



Instead, the governments of both B.C. and Canada and have abdicated their responsibilities.



And now the Conservative federal government is about to ratify the Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) with China that will make such travesties even more common.



//http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/10/30/BC-Chinese-Miners/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 04, 2012, 06:22:32 PM
on it already boy
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 04, 2012, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: "Securious"




[size=200]CSIS Warns Canada About China!![/size]



http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/21/pol-parry-csis-nexen-warnings.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 04, 2012, 06:30:54 PM
Quote from: "Securious"on it already boy

Oh, I'm terribly sorry for agreeing with you on this issue and posting information you would appreciate. I didn't mean to get in the way of you posting the same thing twice for no reason.
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Post by: Securious on November 04, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 05, 2012, 05:00:11 PM
I found Martin Jaques book  When China Rules The World  very interesting and I recommend it
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Post by: Securious on November 05, 2012, 08:48:48 PM
[size=200]Chinese Mine Workers To Be Imported, A Grotesque Human Travesty Needs Overturning[/size]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/overturn-foreign-workers-ruling-for-bc-coal-mine-unions-ask-judge/article4917539/
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Post by: Securious on November 05, 2012, 09:06:11 PM
[size=150]Strange Case Of A Chinese Warren Buffet[/size]



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/strange-trial-of-chinese-warren-buffett-gets-even-stranger/article4613960/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 05, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
This Chinese Warren Buffet is dirty. Canada won't allow former KGB agents to immigrate yet they let Chinese in who spy for China noooo problem. Do we really have to give our country away to those who hate us ? Chinese like to think they are entitled to this country. I dno't agree with this
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Post by: Gary Oak on November 05, 2012, 11:16:48 PM
If Chinas economic woes get really bad they have their population waiting for a chance to get revenge against Japan. They also can't bear it that Japan is higher then them on their racial heirarchal mentality.As chinese man told me once "it is the secret dream of all chinese that we can invade Japan and do to them what they did to us" This is something Japan must be concerned with as losing to China would be beyond tyrannical.



   Now look at how China is trying to steal these tiny islands from Japan , the Philippines and the other Southeast Asian nations. Is anybody [ besides Homo-ero of course ] really stupid enough to not believe that they want to take Canada over ?
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Post by: Securious on November 06, 2012, 02:11:36 AM
[size=200]Chinese nationals facing 16 years for importing drugs[/size]

 

By Martin van den Hemel - Richmond Review

Published: October 26, 2012 4:00 PM

 



Yiu Tim Kwok and Wing Kee Ng were wearing prison-issued red coveralls and headphones over their ears as they sat in the prisoner's docket at Richmond provincial court on Friday morning.



The sentencing hearing for the Chinese nationals—following a conviction for smuggling the largest quantity of the date-rape drug ketamine hydrochloride in Canadian history—wasn't originally scheduled to begin until January.



But as fortune would have it, this window of time opened up in Richmond court, enabling the Crown and defence to begin making their sentencing arguments before Judge Jane McKinnon.



Federal Crown counsel John Walker said he'll be seeking 16-year sentences for the pair—who followed the court proceedings thanks to a Chinese interpreter—for their importation and drug possession convictions.



And for Vancouver's Hin Cheung Lau, who was found guilty of drug possession for the purposes of trafficking, Walker said he'll be seeking a 12-year sentence.



The trio conspired to smuggle 1,000 kilograms of ketamine, known on the street as Special K and Vitamin, Walker told the court.



"It is an enormous amount that is greater than the local market can ever come close to absorbing," he said, adding the drugs were likely destined for cities to the east and perhaps even south of the border.



The 1,000 kilograms were hidden in a shipment of coffee mugs on Dec. 7, 2010 that was intercepted by Canada Border Services at the Port of Vancouver.



The shipment contained 402 cartons of coffee mugs, but X-ray images revealed discrepancies that prompted a fuller examination.



While 318 of the cartons contained coffee mugs, another 84 boxes contained coffee mugs and vacuum-sealed bags holding a white crystaline power later confirmed as ketamine.



The seizure represents $5 to $8 million worth of ketamine at the wholesale level or 10 million pure doses, or perhaps as much as $50 million worth on the streets.



Walker said ketamine is a schedule 1 substance under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, and an importation conviction is punishable by up to life in prison.



Walker said Ng and Kwok were principles in the importation scheme.



"They were more than so-called mere couriers."



And while Lau's role was "less significant", he was "still essential" in the large scale drug distribution scheme.



Ketamine is not the most serious of the schedule 1 drugs, he said. It creates the illusion of an "out of body experience", and is used as a date rape drug. Legitimately, it's used as a horse tranquilizer.



Because of a lack of court time, the sentencing hearing isn't scheduled to continue until some time in November.



Judge McKinnon noted her concern about Lau's status as he's free on bail.



And considering that his lawyer won't be arguing for a sentence shorter than two years, McKinnon wondered whether the court should revisit his custodial status, as he now remains free in the community despite the conviction and the prospect of facing 12 years in prison.



Also arrested in the case was Vancouver's Hoi Sing Lai who has been ordered to stand trial. The status of another arrested Chinese national, Tak Ming Chan, wasn't clear as of Friday afternoon.
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Post by: Securious on November 06, 2012, 02:14:39 AM
[size=200]Lau Sentenced![/size]

http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/riotor+lau+sentenced/video.html?v=2300933412#stories



video
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Post by: Securious on November 06, 2012, 02:22:46 AM
[size=200]Chinese Gangs And Latin America[/size]

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=39422&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=13&cHash=16e6ece1b609dc4cf2287f32439089dc
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 06, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
The model minority always reveals it's true colours when they can get away with it.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 06, 2012, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"The model minority always reveals it's true colours when they can get away with it.

See how Lau's father behaves when asked questions about his disobedient son..total condescending indignity---------CAUGHT ON CAMERA
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 06, 2012, 06:17:34 PM




http://www.vancouversun.com/videos/recommended/video.html?embedCode=FnaWVvNjrjTtTlEyM09ZWUgf1akmkH8M



all this over soup... :shock:









S   L   U   R   P
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 06, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
Title: Re: China's Eco-City
Post by: Gary Oak on November 07, 2012, 05:42:07 PM
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/11/03/china-is-building-a-huge-eco-city-where-no-one-will-need-to-drive/



    I am sure that this sounds like a great idea to many people and if I believed it to be so I would agree too however it appears to me to merely be a gigantic make work program to make another vacant ghost town.
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Post by: Securious on November 07, 2012, 08:05:32 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"If Chinas economic woes get really bad they have their population waiting for a chance to get revenge against Japan. They also can't bear it that Japan is higher then them on their racial heirarchal mentality.As chinese man told me once "it is the secret dream of all chinese that we can invade Japan and do to them what they did to us" This is something Japan must be concerned with as losing to China would be beyond tyrannical.



   Now look at how China is trying to steal these tiny islands from Japan , the Philippines and the other Southeast Asian nations. Is anybody [ besides Homo-ero of course ] really stupid enough to not believe that they want to take Canada over ?

That is just one person. I believe cooler heads will prevail. Asian nations are nothing if not pragmatic.


I think Garys' got something here. Cooler heads but same dream,yes.
Title: Re: China's Eco-City
Post by: Securious on November 07, 2012, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"http://business.financialpost.com/2012/11/03/china-is-building-a-huge-eco-city-where-no-one-will-need-to-drive/



    I am sure that this sounds like a great idea to many people and if I believed it to be so I would agree too however it appears to me to merely be a gigantic make work program to make another vacant ghost town.


My view is they intend to fill these towns when the time is rikght, after economic chaos when the world is on its knees. China will survive and these towns will be filled with happy Card-Carrying Han'Communists and their families. Many of their other ethnic groups expected to die during such hard times.
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Post by: Rand on November 09, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"The Chinese government thinks pretentious displays impress foreign nations..



The Olympics was proof of that.


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Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 09, 2012, 11:50:36 AM
Probably the worst Olympics in its history, they never deserved such an honour as a host antion.
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Post by: Securious on November 09, 2012, 05:02:10 PM
   



Human Resources and Skills Development Canada Minister Diane Finley speaks to the media in Ottawa in this Sept. 20, 2012  



Related Stories

Kenney steps up for Canadian workers





The government announced it will review how the Temporary Foreign Work Program operates after it approved permits for a B.C. mining company to hire Chinese miners even though Canadians are supposed to get first dibs on jobs.



Human Resources and Skills Development Canada is already investigating why the work permits were granted to 201 mine workers at HD Mining International Ltd., located west of Grand Prairie, Alta.



"We are not satisfied that sufficient efforts were made to recruit or train Canadians interested in these jobs," HRSDC Minister Diane Finley said.



Employers who want to hire temporary foreign workers must apply for a "labour market opinion" from Service Canada that assesses "the impact the foreign worker would have on Canada's labour market."



"Concerns have come to light, subsequent to these labour market opinions being approved for that particular mine, that Mandarin was listed as a work requirement," Immigration Minister Jason Kenney said in an October interview with QMI Agency. "I understand HRSDC is taking a look at that to see if that was a valid work requirement."



The NDP, however, wants to see an "immediate suspension" of these permits and has demanded a full investigation to see if Canadian workers were given an opportunity to apply for the positions at the B.C. mine.



NDP immigration critic Jinny Sims also worries about how Canada's temporary foreign worker system operates overall and says a review is "long overdue."



"Companies used to have to search for six months in Canada before they could go look for overseas workers. And now...it is just six days before being allowed to hire workers from overseas.... The system is being abused," she said.



Sims also criticizes the government for allowing temporary foreign workers to be paid 15% less than other employees.



"They're helping their business friends to bring in cheap labour," Sims said. "That also suppresses the wages for Canadians here."



The Canadian Labour Congress and other unions have also hammered the feds for approving the work permits, saying Canadian workers need long-term employment.



The employment standards arm of the B.C. Ministry of Jobs and Tourism announced on Oct. 19 it would investigate HD Mining
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 09, 2012, 05:20:48 PM
Canada has two official languages. Requiring Canadian workers to speak manderin reeks of how the Hong Kong Police Department used requiring recruits to have to be able to read and write Chinese to be on the force to effectively rid the force of non chinese. I would apply but it would be too easy for the chinese to arrange an accident in the mine and yes they would laugh about it too.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 09, 2012, 06:17:06 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 09, 2012, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Canada has two official languages. Requiring Canadian workers to speak manderin reeks of how the Hong Kong Police Department used requiring recruits to have to be able to read and write Chinese to be on the force to effectively rid the force of non chinese. I would apply but it would be too easy for the chinese to arrange an accident in the mine and yes they would laugh about it too.

The part in bold is an insult to people in Canada. The rest is um Garyisms.


Actually that principal is being used in the hiring of Canadian Snivel Serpents..French Speaking or else there's the door.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 09, 2012, 06:24:43 PM




[size=150]There goes the next fed election to the opposition folks.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 10, 2012, 08:41:28 PM
Its called a [5th column] my friend and stares one right in the face! Most peeps are startled at such behavior, take a breath and calmly see with eyes fully open. I will point out I use the term judiciously.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 10, 2012, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: "Securious"Its called a [5th column] my friend and stares one right in the face! Most peeps are startled at such behavior, take a breath and calmly see with eyes fully open. I will point out I use the term judiciously.


I refer to the Chinese workers much in the news..just look at what is happening in the States! Whole cities are being constructed for this invasion/Canada NEXT! Mark my words. Ive said it years before now its a reality/wake up Canada.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 10, 2012, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: "Securious"
Quote from: "Securious"Its called a [5th column] my friend and stares one right in the face! Most peeps are startled at such behavior, take a breath and calmly see with eyes fully open. I will point out I use the term judiciously.


I refer to the Chinese workers much in the news..just look at what is happening in the States! Whole cities are being constructed for this invasion/Canada NEXT! Mark my words. Ive said it years before now its a reality/wake up Canada.

I saw this on the horizon when they brought their military [yes a military entourage/when HU made his first visit], their first state visit to see Chretien. All along the procession down Toronto streets there were Chinese Military cops with their weapons. Canada doesn't allow countries to bring their military so I knew this was breaking protocol for a significant reason/a show of force is what they wanted..they got it thanks to Chretien. From that point on I was looking for clues as to why, so here we are today. Take it for what it is,taring you right in the face.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 10, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: "Securious"
Quote from: "Securious"Its called a [5th column] my friend and stares one right in the face! Most peeps are startled at such behavior, take a breath and calmly see with eyes fully open. I will point out I use the term judiciously.


I refer to the Chinese workers much in the news..just look at what is happening in the States! Whole cities are being constructed for this invasion/Canada NEXT! Mark my words. Ive said it years before now its a reality/wake up Canada.

I'll step in here because it makes me sad seeing you talk to yourself.



Chinese cities are being constructed in the States, are they? Where? Only in your mind. There are no Chinese cities being constructed in the US and there are no plans to.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 10, 2012, 09:35:45 PM
You are the sad one pink'Boy, you never have anything to say but tedious droll and oh ......... such terrible  whining, you should have been born a woman/are you gay?...Wake Up Canada!



[size=200]China Wants To Construct A 50 Square Mile Self-Sustaining City South Of Boise, Idaho[/size]

 By Michael, on June 8th, 2011



Thanks to the trillions of dollars that the Chinese have made flooding our shores with cheap products, China is now in a position of tremendous economic power.  So what is China going to do with all of that money?  One thing that they have decided to do is to buy up pieces of the United States and set up "special economic zones" inside our country from which they can continue to extend their economic domination.  One of these "special economic zones" would be just south of Boise, Idaho and the Idaho government is eager to give it to them.  China National Machinery Industry Corporation (Sinomach for short) plans to construct a "technology zone" south of Boise Airport which would ultimately be up to 50 square miles in size.  The Chinese Communist Party is the majority owner of Sinomach, so the 10,000 to 30,000 acre "self-sustaining city" that is being planned would essentially belong to the Chinese government. The planned "self-sustaining city" in Idaho would include manufacturing facilities, warehouses, retail centers and large numbers of homes for Chinese workers.  Basically it would be a slice of communist China dropped right into the middle of the United States.



According to the Idaho Statesman, the idea would be to build a self-contained city with all services included.  It would be modeled after the "special economic zones" that currently exist in China.



Perhaps the most famous of these "special economic zones" is Shenzhen.  Back in the 1970s, Shenzhen was just a very small fishing village.  Today it is a sprawling metropolis of over 14 million people.



If the Chinese have their way, we will soon be seeing these "special economic zones" pop up all over the United States.



So exactly who is "Sinomach"?



The following description of the company comes directly from the website of Sinomach....



With approval of the State Council, China National Machinery Industry Corporation (SINOMACH) was established in January 1997. SINO-MACH is a large scale, state-owned enterprise group under the supervision of the State Assets Supervision and Administration Commission.

As you can see, Sinomach is basically an arm of the Chinese government.



The borrower is always the servant of the lender, and now China is buying up America.



The reality is that Sinomach is not looking only at Idaho.  Sinomach is in discussions to develop "special economic zones" all over the United States.



Sinomach has recently dispatched delegations to Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania to explore the possibility of establishing "special economic zones" in those states.



Will such "self-contained communities" soon start appearing from coast to coast?



According to Dr. Jerome Corsi, the U.S. government has already set up 257 "foreign trade zones" across America.  These "foreign trade zones" will apparently be given "special U.S. customs treatment" and will be used to promote global free trade....



"The FTZs tend to be located near airports, with easy access into the continental NAFTA and WTO multi-modal transportation systems being created to move free-trade goods cheaply, quickly and efficiently throughout the continent of North America."

So what do our politicians think about all of this?



Most of them are greatly in favor of it.



"Idaho's the last state that should say we don't want to do business with Asia," Idaho Lt. Gov. Brad Little said last year. "Asia's where the money is."



So will all of this "foreign investment" really bring jobs back to the American people?



Perhaps a few, but the truth is that these "special economic zones" that the Chinese are setting up are designed to be self-contained communist Chinese communities.  Some Americans will likely be employed in these areas, but not nearly as many as our politicians would have you to believe.



In addition, these "special economic zones" represent a massive national security threat.  The communist Chinese could potentially be able to bring in and store massive amounts of military equipment virtually undetected.



In the days of the Cold War, we would have never dreamed of giving the Russians a 50 square mile city in the middle of Idaho.



But today we have become convinced that the communist Chinese want to be our great friends.



The following quote originally appeared in the Idaho Statesman, but has since apparently been taken down....



"The Chinese are looking for a beachhead in the United States," said Idaho Commerce Secretary Don Dietrich. "Idaho is ready to give them one."

Indeed.



If relations between the U.S. and China go south someday, we will deeply regret giving China so many open doors.



The truth is that you can never fully trust the communist Chinese.  Their top military officers talk about a coming conflict with the United States all the time.  China is extremely interested in North America.  In fact, the Chinese and the Mexicans have even been holding talks on military cooperation.



But even if you don't consider the communist Chinese to be a military threat, you should be deeply concerned about the economic implications of what is happening.



Today, tens of millions of Americans are wondering why the economy is so bad.



Well, there are a lot of reasons, but the fact that we have sent China thousands of our factories, millions of our jobs and trillions of dollars of our national wealth is a major contributing factor.



If you do not know the truth about how badly the Chinese economy is wiping the floor with the Americen economy then you need to read this article: "40 Signs The Chinese Economy Is Beating The Living Daylights Out Of The U.S. Economy".



Beautiful new infrastructure is going up all over China today, and meanwhile many of our once great manufacturing cities are turning into rotted-out war zones.



China would not be what they are today if we had insisted that they abandon the communist system and respect basic human rights before we ever opened up trade with them.



But that did not happen.  Instead we enthusiastically welcomed China into the WTO and we let the predatory Chinese system run wild.



In 2010, China had a "current account balance" of over 272 billion dollars, which was the largest in the world.



In 2010, the United States had a "current account balance" of negative 561 billion dollars.  According to the CIA world factbook, that put us in last place in the entire world. In fact, our negative current account balance was more than 9 times larger than anyone else in the world.  If you go check out this chart it will give you a really good idea of how nightmarish our trade situation has become.



The world is changing and nothing is ever going to be the same again.



Just ask the residents of Boise, Idaho - they are about to have a 50 square mile self-contained communist Chinese city plopped right into their backyard.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 10, 2012, 09:38:50 PM
as I say this is what will be hapenning to Canada shortly...pay attention pink'Boy.



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Post by: Securious on November 10, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 11:29:46 AM
[size=200]China's Newest Vassal State Once Known As Canada-on this auspicious date 11.11.12[/size]

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/christophermajka/2012/11/resource-capitulation-fippa-fibs-and-canadian-sellouts-part-
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 12:20:27 PM
Some Canadian Comments:



Jeffrey Forsythe · Top Commenter

It is about time that the people of the Free World learned the truth about the brutal Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Never since the beginning of recorded history has there been a more vicious, inhuman, cruel group of heartless gangsters on this planet. It was not that long ago that the evil of the Party was so strong that an average citizen was afraid even to have a bad thought about the Party. Now the Party is being cursed openly in the streets. There are hundreds if not thousands of slaves camps hidden all over Mainland China where millions of people, including many children, sleep on cold floors, in their own excrement, churning out the silly items such as place mats, chopsticks, dishtowels, etc., to be purchased by naive Westerners who repeatedly ask the same question, how do they do it? The monstrous CCP also practices organ harvesting. One doctor who just immigrated to the West, confessed that he had performed hundreds of cornea removal operations on living children. This is where the cornea of children are removed and sold to rich Chinese and Westerners, leaving the children blind. The past leader of the CCP, Jiang Zemin, unofficially declared genocide in 1999 against the one hundred million Falun Gong practitioners who live in Mainland China. He spread cruel lies about Falun Gong using his total control of all the media in China. He did this because of his paranoia and jealousy towards the practitioners, who practice truthfulness, goodness and tolerance, qualities that he despises.

The truth of this evil regime is never mentioned by the Governments and media of the West because of one thing, corporate greed. Now, any reader of this comment should have gained  insight into the true nature of the CCP. Thank you for your consideration.



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..Becky Catts Knutson · Owner at Becca's Beans Coffee Roasterie

We don't want the Chinese Communist Party ruling anything in Canada. If Harper continues to cater to these folks it is time for him not to be part of our gov't.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 11, 2012, 01:53:03 PM
Quote from: "Securious"You are the sad one pink'Boy, you never have anything to say but tedious droll and oh ......... such terrible  whining, you should have been born a woman/are you gay?...Wake Up Canada!



Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 11, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
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Post by: Romero on November 11, 2012, 01:55:46 PM
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Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
You know absolutely nothing, never did.... notice the word "Wants" above. You are a cut and paste-up sham, a complete idiot pink'Boy. China is still in negotiations and Idaho is running scared having been  caught with their pants down, putting out dis-info silly'boy.



ignorant twit
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 02:49:23 PM
[size=200]Chinese company eyes Boise[/size]

December 31, 2010



 

ROCKY BARKER  

Pacific Northwest Newspaper Association

       

 As economic power shifts to Asia, Idaho's location makes it a prime site for an industrial foothold.

By ROCKY BARKER — rbarker@idahostatesman.com



A Chinese national company is interested in developing a 10,000- to 30,000-acre technology zone for industry, retail centers and homes south of the Boise Airport. Officials of the China National Machinery Industry Corp. have broached the idea — based on a concept popular in China today — to city and state leaders.They are also interested in helping build and finance a fertilizer plant near American Falls, an idea company officials returned to Idaho this month to pursue.This ambitious, long-term proposal would start with a manufacturing and warehouse zone tied to the airport, and could signify a shift in the economic relationship between the two superpowers — a relationship once defined by U.S. companies like the J.R. Simplot Co., Hewlett-Packard and Morrison-Knudsen that would head to China to build and develop."I think China's coming over here shows they are willing to collaborate on the reinvigoration of the American industrial base," said Jeff Don, CEO of Eagle-based C3, which is acting as an Idaho representative for the Chinese company, called Sinomach for short.Sinomach is just one of an increasing number of companies and investors showing interest in Idaho. Hoku Materials Inc., a subsidiary of a Chinese energy firm, already has 500 people building its $400 million plant to make polysilicon for solar panels in Pocatello. It expects to begin production in 2011, employing 250 people, said Scott Paul, Hoku's president and CEO.China surpassed Japan as the second largest economy in the world in 2010. And in June, Gov. Butch Otter traveled there to tell anyone who would listen that Idaho is open for business.EAST IDAHO PROJECT COULD COME FIRSTSinomach is China's third-largest contractor, with more than $14 billion in sales last year. It has been active in more than 130 countries in Asia, Africa, Latin America, Russia and Eastern Europe as general contractor for large infrastructure and building projects.Sinomach executives told Southeast Idaho Energy, which is planning to build a $2 billion fertilizer plant in Power County, they want the contract for engineering, procurement and construction. Their access to financing is their deal sweetener.Southeast Idaho Energy hopes to turn coal into gas to produce nitrogen fertilizer and sulfur. The company expects to hire 700 to 1,000 people during construction with 150 permanent workers.The company also would separate the carbon dioxide that contributes to climate change and ship it to Wyoming, where it can be pumped underground to enhance the extraction of natural gas.While Otter was in Beijing in June, he spoke about the project with Jin Kening, chairman of the China National Chemical Engineering Corp. — a different government-owned company. Don said Chinese national companies do compete with each other, but won't let their own competition get in the way."Whatever makes the deal go forward," Don said.Doug Sayer, president and CEO of Premier Technology, worked with Otter in Beijing to build long-term relationships with China National. His company could bid on some of the work to build the fertilizer plant."Anything we can do to work toward having good industry opportunities for investment is important whether we get a piece of that work," Sayer said.The state's efforts have been critical to the discussions, said Pat Sullivan, a Boise lobbyist who works with Southeast Idaho Energy."One thing these Chinese see is we have a governor here who has a great big open-door policy, and I think that's making a difference in this Sinomach project," he said.AN UNUSUAL IDEA THAT MAY BECOME COMMONSinomach is not looking only at Idaho. The company sent delegations to Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania this year to talk about setting up research and development bases and industrial parks. It has an interest in electric transmission projects and alternative energy as well. The technology zone proposal follows a model of science, technology and industrial parks in China — often fully contained cities with all services included.But Don and other local supporters have recommended fitting the idea into the kind of planned unit development used for local approval here.Sinomach officials met with Boise city and airport officials — including Mayor Dave Bieter — to discuss developing a first phase for the technology zone that would set up a base of operations for Chinese companies doing business in the United States. City officials were cautious, since the idea is at an early stage."We understand they are at a preliminary stage. We are waiting to hear back from them with a proposal for where they want to go from here," said Cece Gassner, assistant to the mayor for economic development.The proposal could get a boost from this year's voter-approved constitutional amendment that allows the airport to borrow money to build facilities that can be leased to companies on a long-term basis. The airport commission also has the authority to grant long-term leases and landing rights to air carriers, including those from China.Sinomach is not the only Asian company looking at Boise, Gassner said."We're getting calls from investors from all across Asia who are interested in Idaho," she said.Idaho's location, only another 45 minutes farther by air than Seattle from Asia, will open many opportunities, state and local officials said. The state's low cost for doing business will help, too.Sinomach is attracted to Idaho, in part, because of the lack of infrastructure here, which means it has more opportunity."Idaho's the last state that should say we don't want to do business with Asia," said Lt. Gov. Brad Little. "Asia's where the money is."Yeh Ling-Ling, executive director of the Alliance for a Sustainable USA, said U.S. businesses should be cautious about making contracts that give Chinese companies the best jobs — though she is more worried about investment programs that encourage immigration, which Idaho also has jumped into this year. "I believe that Idaho or other American companies should first seek investments from America and employ American engineers first," said Ling-Ling, a naturalized citizen from Orinda, Calif., who was born in Vietnam of Chinese parents.Little, who met with Zhang Chun, director general of Sinomach, and other company officials, said he thinks the state and the company are a good fit. But that doesn't mean the state won't stick up for its own interests."We're sure not going to favor a Chinese company over an Idaho company," Little said.



Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/12/31/1472023/chinese-company-eyes-boise.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 11, 2012, 02:53:57 PM
Quote from: "Securious"You know absolutely nothing, never did.... notice the word "Wants" above. You are a cut and paste-up sham, a complete idiot pink'Boy. China is still in negotiations and Idaho is running scared having been  caught with their pants down, putting out dis-info silly'boy.



ignorant twit

Here's some more cut and paste for ya:


Quote from: "Securious"Whole cities are being constructed for this invasion/Canada NEXT!

You claimed cities are being constructed but you're wrong. No cities are being constructed. No cities are being planned.



The development project south of Boise isn't happening. No land has been bought, nothing is being constructed, and there hasn't even been any discussion or negotiations in two years.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
Thats what you said 2 years ago when I warned everyone about Chinese foreign workers being sent over to take Canadian jobs in the rfesource sector, now who was right-you nope'a'dope, you or me!....you are soo naive fluffy'pinkness. Of course there are talks continuing silly boy. The Boise bunch simply are running scared right now as any politician might now they are in the headlights and its hurting their public image. You do buy crap don't you. Live in your pink fluffy world/don't worry be happy...The Chinese don't lie do they...LOL





Look what's going to happen with our TV Broadcasting next! In ur face pink'Boy.







," he said, referring to a longstanding practice on CCTV of allotting screen time to officials according to their standing in the Party. The more airtime officials receive the more in favor they're seen to be. The young journalists would then trek out to the border between Hong Kong and China and look longingly across. "I remember thinking," said Laurie, "'shit, why can't I be in there?'"



A few years after winning a Peabody Award for his reporting for NBC in Vietnam in 1975, Laurie landed in Beijing as one of the city's first Western correspondents in decades. In 1989, when students began gathering in Tiananmen Square, ABC sent Laurie, who was then chief of its Moscow bureau, back to Beijing to cover the protests.



In the late morning hours of June 5, 1989, after witnessing soldiers shoot at dozens of civilians as they fled for safety in and around Tiananmen Square, Laurie and a camerawoman turned down a side street. In the crowd they spotted a tall man in a sport coat named Xiao Bin, frantically ranting about what he had witnessed and overheard from others. "The bastards killed thousands!" said the man, a factory worker from the northern city of Dalian, when they interviewed him. "Tanks ran over people. Crushing them." While no official death tally exists, estimates of the dead, including soldiers, now range from the hundreds to the thousands. Laurie told his camerawoman he thought Xiao was exaggerating. "She said, 'yes, but it's awfully good television.' I said 'you're right,'" Laurie recounted.



As Chinese officials rushed to cover up the events of the previous night, Laurie and his colleague managed to send their footage to Hong Kong for transmission by satellite to ABC's studios in New York. But somehow, someone in Beijing was watching.



"The Chinese -- and its unclear to me this day how they actually did it -- intercepted the outgoing signal," said Laurie. The unencrypted signal from Hong Kong had been hijacked. Around the time that ABC's audiences in New York listened to Xiao Bin's testimony, so did 200 million Chinese viewers of CCTV, with a subtitle underneath], adopt some and not adopt others."



* * *



Despite the challenges, a tough economy with dwindling prospects for television journalists can make the attraction of a job at a place like CCTV hard to resist. Western staff at CCTV like Laurie and Makori have been lured by the promise of highly competitive salaries, bigger responsibilities, and ample resources for travel and production. And it's a chance to be on the ground floor of China's first big foray into Western media.



"China is the emerging/emerged superpower, so it was a no-brainer for me," Makori explained after a taping of her show in April at the NASDAQ site in Times Square. A few blocks away, the square's tallest billboard was cycling through a bucolic slideshow of Chinese landscapes -- an advertisement for Xinhua, the state-owned wire service that's another beneficiary of Beijing's media push.





"It's like getting on the ground floor of Facebook or Google. You already know that China's going to be a huge player," she said. "It's exciting, it's innovative. China's obviously pegged to be one of the global leaders, if not the global leader. So for me as a journalist to develop expertise in China, that's not a bad career move."



Makori told me that even though Chinese editors in Washington and Beijing vetted all stories, censorship was not an explicit policy, and said she was surprised that her reporting on more sensitive issues, like trade disputes, hadn't been a problem.



"Honestly, a part of me thought that these would be taboo topics, but on the contrary, we highlight them," said Makori, in her light South African accent. "We really try to have a balanced view of both sides, but we make sure to also show the Chinese side of the story." Asked if there were omissions, she said that editorial freedom was greater at CCTV than at a previous employer, SABC, South Africa's state broadcaster. "I can tell you that CCTV, in my experience, has not been controlling at all from an editorial point of view, from a content point of view -- certainly not more so than any other news channel that I've worked at."



Nina Donaghy, who left her job as a reporter at the BBC to work as the network's Washington correspondent, insisted that her coverage was not done "in coordination" with Beijing. "Otherwise I wouldn't be here, frankly. With my kind of background, I wouldn't."



Censorship isn't the network's only challenge. Distribution remains a hurdle. While CCTV already has greater reach in the United States than Al Jazeera, finding the channel on your television can be difficult, and the network hasn't generated much buzz among viewers or critics. Like some other foreign broadcasters in the United States, there are no public ratings for CCTV America. Its clunky, often poorly translated website occasionally descends into accidental comedy ("Egypt's Mubarak in comma, but 'not clinically dead'" [sic]), and its live stream is often broken. It was only after Barbara Dury's lobbying, she said, that CCTV agreed in June to launch its first channel on YouTube -- a service, she noted with a chuckle, that's banned in China.



Laurie is hoping to solve CCTV's distribution problem in the United States by getting the channel into hotel rooms, a tactic that helped CNN gained traction among business travelers during the 1990s. For now, the hopes of CCTV America's journalists are pinned on emulating the success of that upstart from Qatar. "I remember when Al Jazeera started, people called it 'the terror network,''' said Walter. "But now, years later, they're producing really quality stuff that's being recognized. That's what I hope for CCTV. I think it will just get better."



Still, CCTV's Western employees are taking their new jobs in stride. Donaghy complained that the CCTV label can be an annoying liability. "You get some comments. Running from, 'I'm sure you're paid a fortune!' to 'Do you speak Chinese?'" When The Heat host Mike Walter, a former anchor at the CBS affiliate in Washington, interviewed for his CCTV job, the station's chief Ma began by reading him a newspaper report skeptical of the new network. "The argument was, it's basically going to be a puppet for the Chinese government, basically a propaganda instrument, and she said, 'what do you think of that?'" recounted Walter. "I said, 'obviously it was a concern of mine. I don't want me working for CCTV to change the circuitry in my brain.'"



"Personally, I think their mission is to learn as much as they can," said Donaghy. "And to open up, and to look to the United States to see how to run an international cable network. They're very open. It's very early days yet."





Being on the ground floor also means the chance to do good reporting on topics that can't offend government sensibilities -- and, perhaps, on topics that might. "The wall is always shifting," said Walter, whose TV anchor affability seems to belie an eagerness to probe some boundaries. "It's always good to bump up against a wall and see how strong it is, and whether there's some softness. I think we are going to chart new territories."





With broader distribution, the network may have a chance to woo audiences in Latin America and Africa, where television reporting has dwindled in recent years. To make inroads in the United States, CCTV will continue to focus on business stories, coupled with a greater emphasis on cultural documentaries about Chinese history, culture, and nature -- programming that projects a "cute" image of the country, says Ying, the media scholar. As for its news content, "CCTV won't change until the government changes."



Marash, Al Jazeera English's first American anchor, cautioned against writing off the network just yet. If it can manage to loose itself of Beijing's grip, gain wider distribution, and sway audiences with marquee interviews and exclusive coverage of the Chinese economy, for instance, it might find a foothold on Wall Street, if not on Capitol Hill. "And it's almost certainly going to get better."



But Walter said that pushing the envelope, even a little bit, was a challenge for the network's newest journalists, and for the Chinese producers who serve as a middleman with Beijing.

"You got all these Western journalists who want to push this further, and then you work with the other side which says, 'wait, don't push too much.' They have to find a happy balance and operate within these confines. That's not easy."



"American journalists have the attitude that it's better to ask forgiveness rather than permission," added Walter. "In China, it's better to ask permission than forgiveness. We've run headlong into that. The approach is very different. It's something that will be a struggle here."
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 03:12:25 PM
no platform is left unturned to gain access to our shores/5th column you say/of course silly.Wake Up Canada
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 03:15:17 PM
The CRTC are presently dealing with such [claims] for broadcasting from China within Canada. Now tell everyone this is incorrect too......boy



You say it wont happen....LOL



http://peoplesprovincechina.wordpress.com/future/



..now run back and cry your eyes out on the "other" so called "forum"...piss off
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 11, 2012, 08:44:29 PM
QWERTY, you queer duck, if your mooching about here with ur tail between ur legs here's more insult to injury. Take this and shove it.









The New American

4/10/2012

Joe Wolverton II


Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

7:35:10 AM, by IbJensen



Disregarding the concerns of many in his party and many of the citizens who elected him, Idaho Governor Butch Otter is headed back to China to continue courting the world's largest communist regime and second largest economy.



The Republican Governor's junket scheduled for April 14-21 comes on the heels of a resolution passed by the Idaho Republican Party casting doubt on the true purpose behind Otter's cozying up to the Chinese government.



Schmoozing with communists is nothing new for Governor Otter. In June 2010, he attended meetings in Beijing and Shanghai, extolling the economic virtues of his state and enticing the wealthy Chinese businessmen (agents of the government that owns the majority of those businesses) to invest in his state. He assured his comrades that Idaho stood ready to give them carte blanche to import men and money to the state.



The Governor made the Chinese government an offer it couldn't refuse. A coalition of representatives of the Department of Commerce and influential Idaho businessmen allowed the Chinese to invest $500,000 in a gold mine and another $500,000 in a resort. The payoff? Green cards for the Chinese officials and their families.



Flush from the success of this transaction, 120 Chinese millionaires pooled their money and placed $60 million in an escrow account to be used to create jobs for their families (along with the highly valued immigration documents). As soon as the jobs and green cards are ready, the Chinese will release the money and head to Idaho.



Apparently, Governor Otter likes the taste of the water he draws from the Chinese well. So, bucket in hand, he's heading back. Otter's April itinerary includes a return visit to his friends in Shanghai and Beijing, as well as a trip to Chengdu, a city of 11 million people situated over 1,000 miles inland.



What can Idahoans expect to gain from this latest trip to China? Let's review what happened last time, beyond the deals already described.



After the trip to Shanghai last year, Otter initiated a plan to facilitate Chinese investment in the Gem State called Project 60. The details of the scheme reveal that in a very real, though indirect, manner Governor Butch Otter is opening the door to the gradual invasion of his state by undocumented Chinese "workers."



In very unclear terms, one of the principal planks of the Project 60 platform is known as "Inward Foreign Direct Investment." As laid out on the Project 60 website, this portion of the plan will increase Idaho's role "in global business" by providing foreign industry with "a strong impetus to economic development."



The "impetus" is a two-pronged attack on Idaho's domestic workforce (read: the middle class). First, through Project 60, foreign business interests are encouraged to take advantage of favorable national immigration laws.



Specifically, "The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service administers an immigrant investor visa program called EB-5. The program grants foreigners permanent U.S. residency in exchange for helping create U.S. jobs." This prong will facilitate the immigration of Chinese nationals into the United States for the purpose of establishing a Chinese industrial beachhead in Idaho, under the guise of creating U.S. jobs.



The second phase involves the granting of tax breaks to the foreign companies. In exchange for an investment of between $500,000 and $1 million (depending on whether the target zone is rural or urban, respectively), the foreign investor receives tax incentives.



All of this, when read in the context of Chinese divestment of 97 percent of its U.S. Treasury bills over the past two years, paints a very vulgar picture of a Governor of one of the sovereign states sacrificing the freedom of his citizens on the altar of "foreign investment." Whether he understands the full implications of his pecuniary policies is immaterial. The irrefutable fact is that the Chinese understand them perfectly well and are all too pleased to take advantage of the Governor's greed.



As for the full effect of these relations, only time will tell. Consider though, that the oppressive Chinese regime, by wisely divesting itself of American Treasury securities, can take advantage of our federal system (the co-existence of two equal sovereignties) and keep its fingers in American pies by establishing powerful outposts in the 50 states, thus bypassing the chokehold held over the national economy by the bust/boom cycle perpetuated by the Federal Reserve.



Put simply, Idaho (and reportedly other states, as well) are offering the Chinese a way to dump their useless Treasury bonds without sacrificing the strength of their clamp on the economic pipeline of American industry.



The specifics of the wheeling and dealing between Idaho's state government and their Chinese counterparts are unclear with a few exceptions. What is known is that "top Idaho officials have been traveling to China and entertaining the Chinese here, in order to help facilitate this."



The result of these junkets? American Falls, Idaho, may soon be home to a Chinese-owned fertilizer plant. A significant swathe of land south of Boise (about 30,000 acres) was bought by China, a purchase Idaho's Governor promises will "reinvigorate our American industrial base."



Regarding the purpose of his upcoming Chinese mission, the Governor did not return the call made to his office by The New American, but his Press Secretary, Jon Hanian, has made his boss's intentions very clear. "The Governor is a staunch advocate of growing our business relationships with all of our current international trading partners and in cultivating relationships with new ones," Hanian said. "That is one of the ways we create more jobs in Idaho."



The Director of the Idaho Department of Commerce, Jeff Sayer, echoes Hanian's sentiments. "Increasing international exports and attracting investment capital remain top priorities for the Department of Commerce," he said. "Each of these steps are critical strategies to advance Idaho's economy to $60 billion."



As reported above, the Governor is so committed to courting communists that he is ignoring the express wishes of his own party that he "cease further foreign-based corporate development of a 'Free Trade Zone' and approximately 60,000 acres in Idaho."



In response to the resolution, Otter chided his constituency for their naiveté, observing, "Given what they're reading, they are rightfully concerned. But what they are reading is in some cases nonsense."



Some of that "nonsense" was an article written last year by this reporter exposing Otter's questionable dealings with China.



"Nobody is a stronger, more consistent defender of our Idaho sovereignty than me, from all threats, whether it's a foreign influence or a federal agency here at home," Otter continued.



Despite the Governor's reassurances of his patriotism, some state Republican lawmakers are not persuaded. "People are still concerned about the China issue," said State Senator Sheryl Nuxoll (R- Cottonwood). Senator Nuxoll prefers that Idaho accept no investment by Chinese companies in her state. "They do not share the same principles and values we do," she explained.



According to those supporting Otter's latest mission to China, on this latest mission to China the Governor is "selling groceries," something that comes easily to the former international executive for J.R. Simplot Company, a frozen food processing firm based in Boise.



Critics of the plan hope that this time, for the sake of the citizens of Idaho, Governor Otter really is selling the Chinese groceries rather than green cards.



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To: IbJensen

Crap. I think half of Idaho is over here in North Dakota working now.



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To: IbJensen

Specifically, "The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service administers an immigrant investor visa program called EB-5. The program grants foreigners permanent U.S. residency in exchange for helping create U.S. jobs." This prong will facilitate the immigration of Chinese nationals into the United States for the purpose of establishing a Chinese industrial beachhead in Idaho, under the guise of creating U.S. jobs. The second phase involves the granting of tax breaks to the foreign companies. In exchange for an investment of between $500,000 and $1 million (depending on whether the target zone is rural or urban, respectively), the foreign investor receives tax incentives.

This "business opportunity" is courtesy of the federal government.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Vancouver on November 11, 2012, 10:41:24 PM
Never forget the brave Chinese men and soldiers who fought for their country against the Japanese.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 12, 2012, 12:39:10 AM
Quote from: "Securious"QWERTY, you queer duck, if your mooching about here with ur tail between ur legs here's more insult to injury. Take this and shove it.









Disregarding the concerns of many in his party and many of the citizens who elected him, Idaho Governor Butch Otter is headed back to China to continue courting the world's largest communist regime and second largest economy.

Just like Prime Minister Harper.



There still aren't any Chinese cities being constructed or planned.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 12, 2012, 12:39:26 AM
Quote from: "TheVancouverGuy"Never forget the brave Chinese men and soldiers who fought for their country against the Japanese.

QuotePrime Minister Stephen Harper marks Remembrance Day in Hong Kong



Among the veterans and other dignitaries who attended the ceremony was the family of Lt. Cmdr. William Lore.



Lore, born in Victoria, B.C., in 1909, was the first Canadian of Chinese heritage to serve in the Royal Canadian Navy and also the first Chinese officer any any Commonwealth navy.



As a sub-lieutenant, he led the liberation of Japanese prisoner-of-war camp here in 1945.



Lore recently passed away in Hong Kong at the age of 103.



"It is especially appropriate that we should remember his service to Canada today," Harper said.



//http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/11/11/stephen-harper-marks-remembrance-day-in-hong-kong
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
Hi, Romero :)
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 12, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Hi, Fashionista!  :D
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 12, 2012, 12:35:05 PM
Silly boy





[size=150]China Wants To Construct A 50 Square Mile Self-Sustaining City South Of Boise, Idaho[/size]





Thanks to the trillions of dollars that the Chinese have made flooding our shores with cheap products, China is now in a position of tremendous economic power. So what is China going to do with all of that money? One thing that they have decided to do is to buy up pieces of the United States and set up "special economic zones" inside our country from which they can continue to extend their economic domination. One of these "special economic zones" would be just south of Boise, Idaho and the Idaho government is eager to give it to them. China National Machinery Industry Corporation (Sinomach for short) plans to construct a "technology zone" south of Boise Airport which would ultimately be up to 50 square miles in size. The Chinese Communist Party is the majority owner of Sinomach, so the 10,000 to 30,000 acre "self-sustaining city" that is being planned would essentially belong to the Chinese government. The planned "self-sustaining city" in Idaho would include manufacturing facilities, warehouses, retail centers and large numbers of homes for Chinese workers. Basically it would be a slice of communist China dropped right into the middle of the United States.



According to the Idaho Statesman, the idea would be to build a self-contained city with all services included. It would be modeled after the "special economic zones" that currently exist in China.



Perhaps the most famous of these "special economic zones" is Shenzhen. Back in the 1970s, Shenzhen was just a very small fishing village. Today it is a sprawling metropolis of over 14 million people.



If the Chinese have their way, we will soon be seeing these "special economic zones" pop up all over the United States
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 12, 2012, 12:38:42 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 12, 2012, 01:33:07 PM
[size=200]Sinomach[/size]

 ^ here little one..

From Wikipedia



Sinomach [Type] State Owned Enterprise ..or SOE

Industry manufacturing conglomerate

Founded 1997

Headquarters Beijing, China

Key people Ren Hongbin (Chairman)

Products machinery, automobiles, tractors

Employees 80,000

Website Sinomach site (English)



China National Machinery Industry Corp (Sinomach) is the largest machinery manufacturer in China.



In March 2011, the company acquired McCormick France SAS, a French manufacturer of tractors, as part of strategy for entering the European tractor market.[1]



The company expressed interest in building a 10,000 to 30,000 acre complex of industry, retail, and residential properties in the Boise area. The plan is billed as a collaboration "on the reinvigoration of the American industrial base."[2]











it's not gone away pink'boy..only in your mind
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 12, 2012, 09:06:49 PM
They are currently buying up large areas of Canadian farmland in the prairies the same way that they are buying million or more dollar houses here in Vancouver and elsewhere in Canada by simply just plunking a miilion dollars down. Do these people even have a job ? Our government must know that the money is dirty and if the money is coming from the Chinese government simply using it's citizens as frontmen and frontwomen to make it legal. If all the land is owned by chinese Candiscams loyal to China then isn't this country theirs ? I believe that the Chinese see it th is way. Another tactic that is being used is buying all the hotels in all the small towns all over Canada.I suspect that the Koreans though they as a rule don't mix with chinese at the lower levels at the higher levels are unitied much like Tibetans had much higher status in China during the Mongol and Manchurian occupations of China. The Tibetans allied themselves with the Mongols and then the Manchurians and then enjoyed being significantly higher class than they chinese subjects. These are also the only two times that Tibet was a part of China, in actuality they were almost rulers over the chinese in these two eras
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 12, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Or for China's attempts to buy this country from us
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 12, 2012, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"That is shocking Securious.

His videos usually are! And they're usually unfounded.


QuoteA big idea that would transform 300 acres near Milan into a housing development for Chinese immigrants faces some major roadblocks.



A group of Chinese investors who bought property, presold housing units and began making plans to build a housing complex for other Chinese businesspeople said they are rethinking their plans after further researching U.S. immigration rules, an adviser to the group said last week.



Tongqing "Joe" Zhou of North-ville Township, an adviser to Sino Michigan Properties LLC, said, for now, "that project has been stopped."



Sino Michigan Properties representatives have discussed the project with Michigan Economic Development Corp. officials, but it's uncertain that the state would offer any financial assistance to the proposed development.



"We're not actively working on this project," MEDC spokesman Michael Shore said last week.



//http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20120513/FREE/305139986/investors-plan-for-chinese-housing-development-hits-snag#

Securious and Gary's fear mongering aside, I do agree that it has been foolish to send manufacturing and jobs over to China only to require its investment in getting manufacturing and jobs back.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 02:08:08 AM
Truth is sometimes hard to deal with specially when it rocks ones world from its sleepy state to know that unless something is done re-mediate developments that world will be irrevocably altered. Yes, Gary and I tell the truth and you pink'Boy are worried to the point of distraction as you world is on short shrift. rather than throw mud and sling arrows...look at the evidence. Its obvious to the the average Canadian that we are under invasion. I don't use the word lightly either. The tactics are very sneaky and by stealth they have entered the Canadian domain by the thousands , here do gather as much information as they c an for the purpose of claiming this country. Not satisfied with stealing and hacking literally taking us over. Gary is right on the money and I concur.

Pink'Boy isn't untested in hearing this but rather tries to mock and throw the reader off this trail. He tries maliciously but f ails all the time, providing nothing substantive but relying on personal attacks such as he just made above. Fear is from one who is afraid . I show that pink'Boy here is the one who is afraid and indeed wants denial. I'd go so far as saying cowardly.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
I hear that Taiwan is a beautiful country, maybe Fashionista you could post something along those lines.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 13, 2012, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: "Securious"Truth is sometimes hard to deal with specially when it rocks ones world from its sleepy state to know that unless something is done re-mediate developments that world will be irrevocably altered. Yes, Gary and I tell the truth and you pink'Boy are worried to the point of distraction as you world is on short shrift. rather than throw mud and sling arrows...look at the evidence. Its obvious to the the average Canadian that we are under invasion. I don't use the word lightly either. The tactics are very sneaky and by stealth they have entered the Canadian domain by the thousands , here do gather as much information as they c an for the purpose of claiming this country. Not satisfied with stealing and hacking literally taking us over. Gary is right on the money and I concur.

Pink'Boy isn't untested in hearing this but rather tries to mock and throw the reader off this trail. He tries maliciously but f ails all the time, providing nothing substantive but relying on personal attacks such as he just made above. Fear is from one who is afraid . I show that pink'Boy here is the one who is afraid and indeed wants denial. I'd go so far as saying cowardly.

We agree that we shouldn't be giving our jobs and resources away to China, and Harper shouldn't be signing trade deals like FIPA. But the truth is, Chinese cities are not being constructed, there is no invasion and we're not being taken over.



"They have entered the Canadian domain by the thousands".



You're talking about decent Chinese Canadian citizens. You sound like some Vancouver yahoo from the early 1900's.


QuoteIn 1907, an anti-immigration rally exploded into violence and vandalism in both Chinatown and Japantown in Vancouver. What began as riots in Bellingham as a movement to drive Punjabi Sikhs out of the lumber industry had eventually spread to white supremacist marches to Vancouver city with demands for a "White Canada."



The riots were not only a landmark in the rise of racism in Canada, they signified the commencement of systematic federal intervention to prohibit Asian immigration to Canada through the imposition of quotas on Japanese emigration, continuous voyage regulations those from India, and the enforcement of laws against the Chinese.



The 1907 Riots were advertised in news reports, and by the time the parade arrived at city hall, a huge crowd had gathered. Crowd estimates vary between four thousand and eight thousand people. As rioters attacked Chinatown, the angry mob eventually turned toward Japantown or Nihon Bachi, around the Powell Street grounds in what is now Oppenheimer Park.



(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://themainlander.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/japanese_1907.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://themainlander.com/wp-content/upl%20...%20e_1907.jpg%22%3Ehttp://themainlander.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/japanese_1907.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)



//http://www.library.ubc.ca/chineseinbc/riots.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 13, 2012, 02:11:26 PM
QuoteChairman Harper's Weakness



(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://thetyee.cachefly.net/Opinion/2012/11/12/Stephen-Harper-China-Superman.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://thetyee.cachefly.net/Opinion/201%20...%20perman.jpg%22%3Ehttp://thetyee.cachefly.net/Opinion/2012/11/12/Stephen-Harper-China-Superman.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)



The Conservative Party (CP) of Canada will likely ratify a promotion and investment treaty (FIPPA) with the Communist Party (CP) of China any day now. It will do so largely to accelerate the production of bitumen.



Yet China Inc has outplayed and outgunned the Canadian government and its political class. Harper's Conservatives have not only failed to do their due diligence but betrayed their own basic principles (most claim to support free markets and democracy). They've also sold out ordinary Canadians for the dubious prospects of bitumen expansion.



Prime Minister Stephen Harper says it's just another trade deal with an emerging economy, and that prosperity hides behind the great dragon's capital investments. But as every Beijing propagandist knows, the best lies are always the biggest ones.



For starters China is not an emerging economy. Nor is it a trading partner like the United States. It is a global economic warrior ruled by one party for 60 years and that totalitarian party is now on an aggressive shopping spree. This is a warrior that avoids the strong and strikes at the weak. And Canada, a nation without firm investment policy or strategy, makes a convenient target.



China's true economic warriors are largely 100 State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs) that practice "authoritarian capitalism." These complex organizations perform for China Inc and dutifully obey the dictates of the Party. They don't care about human rights and aren't shy about dealing with unethical rulers or failing states either. They offer little if any transparency. They don't like unions. They control half of China's GDP and grow in strength everyday. Period.



According to Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs this ugly global dragon has increased investment in Canada by 177 per cent between 2007 and 2010. If this expansion continues, (and FIPPA just opens wide the doors) then Chinese capital controlled by the Communist Party could surpass U.S. investment in Canada by as early as 2017.



Chinese capital doesn't play by ordinary markets and certainly won't behave like U.S. dollars. Wherever the Chinese SOEs invest, they largely employ Chinese workers. These companies don't tolerate dissent. They say one thing to the public and do another behind closed doors. Nor do they invest in the local community. They work first and foremost for China Inc.



//http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/11/13/Chairman-Harper/

That's the invasion. Not Chinese immigrants. So don't vote for Harper and the Conservatives next time.



Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on November 13, 2012, 02:51:57 PM
i guess i take the contrarian view, at least to this extent.......it is now predicted that by 2025 due to technological advances in oil and gas recovery (ie: fracking) developed by Canada, the USA will be or should be self sufficient in energy......this means it is imperative that we develop more markets in which to ship our oil. Those markets will be primarily to China and must be developed quickly and efficiently before middle eastern suppliers who will lose the US market fill China's demand.......this is just simple economics 101. So i say get over it, china is here asking Canada to supply raw materials and we should fall all over ourselves to get a deal done.....the USA under obongo has proven that it does not respect it's friends (canada) and alternative trade destinations MUST be found quickly......forget all this China bashing .........support freer trade with all nations.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
China doesnt support Freer Trade, so why should we.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 06:21:20 PM
Obama Administration Letting Brazil Bid On Defense Contracts

Project 60, The Global Agenda ?

Project 60: China Buying Idaho?

Posted on June 1, 2011 by admin



The following excerpts are from an article in the Boise (Idaho) Examiner will not make it to the mainstream media. The article details how Idaho's Governor, Butch Otter, has teamed up with the Obama agenda of globalization. This article is most likely just a first peek at what's in our future. You may as well kiss the good 'ole' USA good bye.  Just my opinion....William McCullough



Fifth Column – Definition: a group of people who act traitorously and subversively out of a secret sympathy with an enemy of their country....Dictionary.com



[size=150]Idaho To Be First Chinese State[/size]

Bill Turner – Boise Examiner, May 31, 2011





Governor Butch Otter, in league with....(Barack) Obama, has hatched a plan to make Idaho the first Chinese owned state in America. Otter and company have named this Project 60. Sounds innocent enough, until you realize that Otter and his minions are afraid to call it what it is, globalization of America and surrender of sovereignty. If it were called that someone may want to charge Otter with sedition. Under....Obama it has become increasingly difficult to do business in America, unless you are from a foreign nation. Idaho, under the stewardship of Governor Butch Otter, has opened the door for a Chinese invasion wherein the sovereignty of Idaho and America will be sodomized by all parties involved.

Project 60 takes advantage of a federal program that grants permanent residency to foreign nationals, in this case, Chinese. This program comes with special tax exemptions to the foreign firms moving here. American companies do not get the tax exemptions; So much for the Constitution and equal protection. Idaho is struggling financially and it is widely known that America is broke, so why tax breaks for the Chinese?



China wants to limit its exposure to America's debt. China needs to maintain its trade deficits, so it does not collapse like a house of cards. In order to accomplish this, China must unload currency and excess dollars. Buying Idaho is a good way to accomplish this. But, do not worry, China is looking at buying Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania as well. China will not allow its currency to become stronger, so it must eliminate some of America's IOU's. What better way to do this than buy America?



Top Idaho officials have been traveling to China and entertaining the Chinese here, in order to help facilitate this. Idaho is a resource rich state and the Chinese know it, as does Obama, who keeps snatching Idaho land. Otter, Obama and the attack on business in America paves the way for China to own us. A Chinese firm is building a fertilizer plant in American Falls Idaho. Ironic. China has bought fifty square miles of land south of Boise, thirty thousand acres of Idaho gone to foreign nationals. Governor Otter says this will help reinvigorate our American industrial base. Just how this will do it, since the plants will be staffed with foreign nationals is a question that remains unanswered.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Securious"Truth is sometimes hard to deal with specially when it rocks ones world from its sleepy state to know that unless something is done re-mediate developments that world will be irrevocably altered. Yes, Gary and I tell the truth and you pink'Boy are worried to the point of distraction as you world is on short shrift. rather than throw mud and sling arrows...look at the evidence. Its obvious to the the average Canadian that we are under invasion. I don't use the word lightly either. The tactics are very sneaky and by stealth they have entered the Canadian domain by the thousands , here do gather as much information as they c an for the purpose of claiming this country. Not satisfied with stealing and hacking literally taking us over. Gary is right on the money and I concur.

Pink'Boy isn't untested in hearing this but rather tries to mock and throw the reader off this trail. He tries maliciously but f ails all the time, providing nothing substantive but relying on personal attacks such as he just made above. Fear is from one who is afraid . I show that pink'Boy here is the one who is afraid and indeed wants denial. I'd go so far as saying cowardly.

We agree that we shouldn't be giving our jobs and resources away to China, and Harper shouldn't be signing trade deals like FIPA. But the truth is, Chinese cities are not being constructed, there is no invasion and we're not being taken over.



"They have entered the Canadian domain by the thousands".



You're talking about decent Chinese Canadian citizens. You sound like some Vancouver yahoo from the early 1900's.



[I sound like a concered BC citizen who cares about our country..S]

Just a little different, however non dare call it war...






QuoteIn 1907, an anti-immigration rally exploded into violence and vandalism in both Chinatown and Japantown in Vancouver. What began as riots in Bellingham as a movement to drive Punjabi Sikhs out of the lumber industry had eventually spread to white supremacist marches to Vancouver city with demands for a "White Canada."



The riots were not only a landmark in the rise of racism in Canada, they signified the commencement of systematic federal intervention to prohibit Asian immigration to Canada through the imposition of quotas on Japanese emigration, continuous voyage regulations those from India, and the enforcement of laws against the Chinese.



The 1907 Riots were advertised in news reports, and by the time the parade arrived at city hall, a huge crowd had gathered. Crowd estimates vary between four thousand and eight thousand people. As rioters attacked Chinatown, the angry mob eventually turned toward Japantown or Nihon Bachi, around the Powell Street grounds in what is now Oppenheimer Park.



http://themainlander.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/japanese_1907.jpg[/img]



//http://www.library.ubc.ca/chineseinbc/riots.html




Quote: Securious



"Truth is sometimes hard to deal with specially when it rocks ones world from its sleepy state to know that unless something is done re-mediate developments that world will be irrevocably altered. Yes, Gary and I tell the truth and you pink'Boy are worried to the point of distraction as you world is on short shrift. rather than throw mud and sling arrows...look at the evidence. Its obvious to the the average Canadian that we are under invasion. I don't use the word lightly either. The tactics are very sneaky and by stealth they have entered the Canadian domain by the thousands , here to gather as much information as they can for the purpose of claiming this country. Not satisfied with stealing and hacking literally taking us over. Gary is right on the money and I concur.

Pink'Boy isn't untested in hearing this but rather tries to mock and throw the reader off this trail. He tries maliciously but f ails all the time, providing nothing substantive but relying on personal attacks such as he just made above. Fear is from one who is afraid . I show that pink'Boy here is the one who is afraid and indeed wants denial. I'd go so far as saying cowardly."
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 06:39:48 PM
Quote from: "Securious"Obama Administration Letting Brazil Bid On Defense Contracts

Project 60, The Global Agenda ?

Project 60: China Buying Idaho?

Posted on June 1, 2011 by admin



The following excerpts are from an article in the Boise (Idaho) Examiner will not make it to the mainstream media. The article details how Idaho's Governor, Butch Otter, has teamed up with the Obama agenda of globalization. This article is most likely just a first peek at what's in our future. You may as well kiss the good 'ole' USA good bye.  Just my opinion....William McCullough



Fifth Column – Definition: a group of people who act traitorously and subversively out of a secret sympathy with an enemy of their country....Dictionary.com





 

2011-06-21

By ROCKY BARKER — rbarker@idahostatesman.com



A Chinese national company is interested in developing a 10,000- to 30,000-acre technology zone for industry, retail centers and homes south of the Boise Airport. Officials of the China National Machinery Industry Corp. have broached the idea — based on a concept popular in China today — to city and state leaders.They are also interested in helping build and finance a fertilizer plant near American Falls, an idea company officials returned to Idaho this month to pursue.This ambitious, long-term proposal would start with a manufacturing and warehouse zone tied to the airport, and could signify a shift in the economic relationship between the two superpowers — a relationship once defined by U.S. companies like the J.R. Simplot Co., Hewlett-Packard and Morrison-Knudsen that would head to China to build and develop."I think China's coming over here shows they are willing to collaborate on the reinvigoration of the American industrial base," said Jeff Don, CEO of Eagle-based C3, which is acting as an Idaho representative for the Chinese company, called Sinomach for short.Sinomach is just one of an increasing number of companies and investors showing interest in Idaho. Hoku Materials Inc., a subsidiary of a Chinese energy firm, already has 500 people building its $400 million plant to make polysilicon for solar panels in Pocatello. It expects to begin production in 2011, employing 250 people, said Scott Paul, Hoku's president and CEO.China surpassed Japan as the second largest economy in the world in 2010. And in June, Gov. Butch Otter traveled there to tell anyone who would listen that Idaho is open for business.EAST IDAHO PROJECT COULD COME FIRSTSinomach is China's third-largest contractor, with more than $14 billion in sales last year. It has been active in more than 130 countries in Asia, Africa, Latin America, Russia and Eastern Europe as general contractor for large infrastructure and building projects.Sinomach executives told Southeast Idaho Energy, which is planning to build a $2 billion fertilizer plant in Power County, they want the contract for engineering, procurement and construction. Their access to financing is their deal sweetener.Southeast Idaho Energy hopes to turn coal into gas to produce nitrogen fertilizer and sulfur. The company expects to hire 700 to 1,000 people during construction with 150 permanent workers.The company also would separate the carbon dioxide that contributes to climate change and ship it to Wyoming, where it can be pumped underground to enhance the extraction of natural gas.While Otter was in Beijing in June, he spoke about the project with Jin Kening, chairman of the China National Chemical Engineering Corp. — a different government-owned company. Don said Chinese national companies do compete with each other, but won't let their own competition get in the way."Whatever makes the deal go forward," Don said.Doug Sayer, president and CEO of Premier Technology, worked with Otter in Beijing to build long-term relationships with China National. His company could bid on some of the work to build the fertilizer plant."Anything we can do to work toward having good industry opportunities for investment is important whether we get a piece of that work," Sayer said.The state's efforts have been critical to the discussions, said Pat Sullivan, a Boise lobbyist who works with Southeast Idaho Energy."One thing these Chinese see is we have a governor here who has a great big open-door policy, and I think that's making a difference in this Sinomach project," he said.AN UNUSUAL IDEA THAT MAY BECOME COMMONSinomach is not looking only at Idaho. The company sent delegations to Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania this year to talk about setting up research and development bases and industrial parks. It has an interest in electric transmission projects and alternative energy as well. The technology zone proposal follows a model of science, technology and industrial parks in China — often fully contained cities with all services included.But Don and other local supporters have recommended fitting the idea into the kind of planned unit development used for local approval here.Sinomach officials met with Boise city and airport officials — including Mayor Dave Bieter — to discuss developing a first phase for the technology zone that would set up a base of operations for Chinese companies doing business in the United States. City officials were cautious, since the idea is at an early stage."We understand they are at a preliminary stage. We are waiting to hear back from them with a proposal for where they want to go from here," said Cece Gassner, assistant to the mayor for economic development.The proposal could get a boost from this year's voter-approved constitutional amendment that allows the airport to borrow money to build facilities that can be leased to companies on a long-term basis. The airport commission also has the authority to grant long-term leases and landing rights to air carriers, including those from China.Sinomach is not the only Asian company looking at Boise, Gassner said."We're getting calls from investors from all across Asia who are interested in Idaho," she said.Idaho's location, only another 45 minutes farther by air than Seattle from Asia, will open many opportunities, state and local officials said. The state's low cost for doing business will help, too.Sinomach is attracted to Idaho, in part, because of the lack of infrastructure here, which means it has more opportunity."Idaho's the last state that should say we don't want to do business with Asia," said Lt. Gov. Brad Little. "Asia's where the money is."Yeh Ling-Ling, executive director of the Alliance for a Sustainable USA, said U.S. businesses should be cautious about making contracts that give Chinese companies the best jobs — though she is more worried about investment programs that encourage immigration, which Idaho also has jumped into this year. "I believe that Idaho or other American companies should first seek investments from America and employ American engineers first," said Ling-Ling, a naturalized citizen from Orinda, Calif., who was born in Vietnam of Chinese parents.Little, who met with Zhang Chun, director general of Sinomach, and other company officials, said he thinks the state and the company are a good fit. But that doesn't mean the state won't stick up for its own interests."We're sure not going to favor a Chinese company over an Idaho company," Little said.Rocky Barker: 377-6484 Copyright 2012 . All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/12/31/1472023/chinese-company-eyes-boise.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 06:46:25 PM
[size=200]Genetically Modified Athletes, Is This Fair?

 --->NO!
[/size]




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181873/Genetically-modified-athletes-Forget-drugs-There-suggestions-Chinese-athletes-genes-altered-make-stronger.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 13, 2012, 06:55:30 PM




Wake Up Canada
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 14, 2012, 01:49:40 AM
[size=200]CNNOC Pleased With Itself-That NEXEN Deal Will Be Snatched Up

[Prime Minister Harper Is In The Bag]
[/size]




[size=150]CNOOC says confident Nexen deal will go through[/size]

Thu Nov 8, 2012  





 BEIJING (Reuters) - CNOOC Ltd (0883.HK: Quote), China's top offshore oil and gas producer, said on Friday it is confident of winning regulatory approval from Canada this year for its $15.1 billion bid for Nexen Inc (NXY.TO: Quote)(NXY.N: Quote).

State-controlled CNOOC launched China's richest foreign takeover bid in July when it agreed to buy Nexen. But the success of its bid began to look shaky after Canada held up Malaysian state oil company Petronas' $5.2 billion bid for Progress Energy Resources Corp (PRQ.TO: Quote).



Canada has extended its review for the CNOOC-Nexen deal by a month to December 10 to determine whether the takeover would bring a "net benefit" to the country.



CNOOC Chairman Wang Yilin said it was "normal" for the Canadian government to extend its review, adding that he expects the deal to be completed by year-end.



Wang was speaking to reporters on the sidelines of the Communist Party congress in Beijing.



Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper said on Thursday that his government will make decisions very soon on foreign investment proposals it is considering and on the broader framework for dealing with such investments.



Nexen's portfolio includes operations in oil sands and shale gas in the province of British Columbia, among assets around the globe.



Industry sources have said CNOOC's bid might have a better chance of success compared to the Petronas deal as only about a quarter of Nexen's assets are in Canada, while Progress Energy's operations are centered in Canada.



CNOOC is pressing on in its search for overseas assets as it has only nine years worth of reserves based on current production levels - one of the lowest ratios among global oil majors.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 14, 2012, 01:52:54 AM
[size=150]Yet Another Canadian Company Being Bought Up By China[/size]

http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCABRE8AC0ZE20121113
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 14, 2012, 01:58:15 AM




 Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been courting the powerhouse economies of Asia, including a trip to China in February when he met with President Hu Jintao. Ottawa extends review of Chinese bid for Nexen



Stephen Harper's long, uphill slog in India As a former deputy minister at Industry Canada, there was no one in government who knew the Investment Canada Act more intimately than Paul Boothe.



The top-tier bureaucrat, who has since migrated to academia, was instrumental in guiding a relatively young Conservative government when it surprisingly blocked the sale of domestic space technology, including the Radarsat-2 satellite, to an American firm in 2008.



After recently poring over the pros and cons of the $15.1-billion energy deal between Chinese-controlled CNOOC and Calgary's Nexen, Boothe can't see any good reason for turning down the deal. He's also well aware the answer may not be yes ....well Duh!..me/S



Despite attempts over the years to make approvals of foreign investment as clinical as possible, the CNOOC-Nexen decision comes down to pure politics.



Harper's legacy

If Prime Minister Stephen Harper selected legacy items to be hallmarks of his first seven years in office, diversifying Canada's trade and investment away from the United States towards the burgeoning economies of Asia and securing the prosperity of our resource economy would be near the top of the list.



But the CNOOC-Nexen proposal is making him confront a deeply embedded Conservative queasiness about state involvement in business, and a long-standing mistrust of China.



Even though CNOOC — controlled by the state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corporation — may pass the net-benefits test, it may not pass the smell test.



"People are afraid of the unknown," said Conservative MP Merv Tweed of Brandon, Man. — one of many politicians who has been lobbied in CNOOC's highly orchestrated campaign.



The CNOOC offer is a neat fit for so much of the Conservative rhetoric these days. It's the natural manifestation of Harper's aggressive campaign to court Asia, bring foreign investment to Canada and have global recognition of the value of the oilsands.



Opposition to the deal

But the NDP opposition is against the deal. Public opinion is not on side. The business community is split.



And the Conservative caucus has a history of being leery of China, with Harper ignoring the rising power for his first few years in office. His first visit to the country was in 2009, five years after the previous official trip by a Canadian prime minister.



Conservative MPs have been targeted by anti-CNOOC letter-writing campaigns. And they say they're hearing about it on doorsteps in their ridings.



"On paper it looks like a good exchange that will bring wealth and growth to this area," said one Conservative MP whose views echoed those of many Conservatives who spoke with The Canadian Press.



"However, the other side of the coin is the fact that it is a state-run enterprise, a government-owned company," the MP said, speaking frankly in return for anonymity. "That's what's causing the apprehension."



That such simple observations must be cloaked in anonymity shows just how politically sensitive the CNOOC deal has become for Conservatives.



So Harper's looming decision is not merely one of looking at the economic benefits, or deciding how to handle state-owned enterprises. It also has to pre-empt a public backlash.



The complexity of that task was made clear late Friday when the government announced a second extension to Dec. 10 for reviewing the deal.



CNOOC's efforts

CNOOC has taken great pains to make sure its case looks air-tight. The company has laid out an offer, both publicly and in private discussions with regulators, that caters directly to the Investment Canada Act. It has committed to keeping management in Canada, listing on the Toronto Stock Exchange, maintaining Nexen's corporate social responsibility program, sticking with its capital investment plan and making Calgary the head office of its North American interests.



That was widely viewed as just the company's opening offer, and negotiations with Ottawa will no doubt see it pressured for more.



"When you look at what they've said about their plans in terms of investment, in terms of employment, in terms of governance, in terms of social things like corporate responsibility — all of those things are consistent with the criteria in the Investment Canada Act," said Boothe, who cautions that he does not know what is happening behind closed doors and bases his analysis on information in the public realm.



There's no doubt, however, the deal is forcing Harper and a very tight group of confidantes to address some larger, uncomfortable issues.



"There are some bigger questions: About should we have state-owned enterprises investing in Canada? How much from a certain country? How much from China?" Boothe said.



"In my view, those are discussions about the rules themselves rather than discussions about the application of the current rules for this particular deal."
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 14, 2012, 02:03:42 AM
Harper Government will sacrifice everything over the NEXEN deal..Canada TOO! Foolishness of the first order/madness! Expect this to happen at the end of this year. Nice closing eh folks. China's political occupation has commenced. So what were we honouring just a few days ago/Rememberance Day. Can we reflect upon that. Wasnt that Hypocritical/Treasonous in fact.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 15, 2012, 12:23:53 PM
[size=200]China's  Selected  Leader Takes Hold[/size]



http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/xi-takes-helm-china-powers-problems-grow-17723022













and what a state its in too!



 :mrgreen:







the populace writhes with resentment over state corruption by the Han Rilling Elites. Revolution is in the air...
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 15, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Beautiful COUNTRY of Taiwan

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pics 2& 2..F, is there any seascape pics?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 15, 2012, 09:00:58 PM
Taiwanese are usually very nice towards foreign travellers
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 16, 2012, 10:59:24 AM
er not so good there F on the last one.."seascape".....?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 16, 2012, 11:01:23 AM
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Michael Den Tandt | Nov 16, 2012



 The economic cognoscenti in this country — the ecognoscenti? — including senior figures in both the Liberal and Conservative parties and virtually all my columnist colleagues, believe Canada's freshly minted foreign investment protection agreement with China (FIPA) is a no-brainer. Opposition to the FIPA, we are led to believe, is populist twaddle.



Likewise the related $15.1-billion bid by China's state-owned oil company CNOOC Ltd. for Calgary-based Nexen Inc. is a slam dunk, or it should be. Nexen isn't a major player; many of its assets are overseas. The booty is rich – $27.50 share, a 60-per-cent premium over the pre-bid price. It's not as though incoming Chinese Communist Party General Secretary Xi Jinping – who, by the way, gave a peppy little speech at his formal unveiling in Beijing Thursday — will be camping out on the new Alberta cottage's front lawn. This man has better things to do, such as managing the tiny, insular oligarchy that rules a fifth of the people on earth.



Canada, everyone with sense knows, must get in on the China gold rush while there's still time. The United States is mired in $16-trillion of public debt; Europe is, as of Thursday, in recession for the second time in four years. Canada's natural resources — 600 projects worth $650-billion ready to go — are the single ray of light. China will become the world's largest economy by 2020. And because much of its territory is still relatively undeveloped, the raw-material need curve is just beginning.



All true. Now, however, I must interrupt this column with a nagging, impolitic passage from the U.S. Department of State's human rights report on China, for 2011.



"As in previous years, citizens did not have the right to change their government. Other human rights problems during the year included: extrajudicial killings, including executions without due process; enforced disappearance and incommunicado detention, including prolonged illegal detentions at unofficial holding facilities known as 'black jails'; torture and coerced confessions of prisoners; detention and harassment of lawyers, journalists, writers, dissidents, petitioners, and others who sought to peacefully exercise their rights under the law; a lack of due process in judicial proceedings; political control of courts and judges; closed trials..."



There's more – much more. Well, yes, sigh our world-weary ecognoscenti, there are a few glitches over there. But how will the People's Republic ever modernize if we don't deepen mutual ties? China's despotic, opaque institutions themselves are the best argument in favour of the FIPA, its proponents insist. "The main purpose of a FIPA," declares a federal government backgrounder, "is to ensure greater protection to foreign investors against discriminatory and wholly arbitrary practices... "



Japan, it may surprise some to learn, has a FIPA with China. It was signed in 1989. Among other things, the agreement commits each party to protect the business interests and properties of the other. China is Japan's largest trading partner and has been since 2007. In 2011, total two-way trade between the two Asian giants was worth US$344.9-billion – a new high.



Just weeks ago, amid a territorial dispute over miniscule, uninhabited islands in the East China Sea between Okinawa and Taiwan, there were mass protests in 50 eastern Chinese cities. Violent mobs trashed or burned Japanese-owned supermarkets, factories and car dealerships, while police stood by. The damage has since been estimated by the Japanese government at more than US$100-million. Japan's FIPA with China, as you may have guessed, was of little use during the riots, or in their aftermath. Japanese businesses have been left to fend for themselves, seeking compensation in Chinese courts.



Incidentally, Japan has held the disputed islands since 1895. They are considered by the United States to be a part of Japanese territory and are explicitly covered under The United States' Mutual Co-operation and Security Pact with Japan, signed in 1960.



At a little-reported forum in Ottawa last month North American security experts were asked to comment on how Chinese state-owned enterprises are different from, say, Canadian corporations. Ray Boisvert, formerly deputy director of Canada's spy agency, CSIS, summed up the consensus view, as I have written before: They operate as organs of the communist party. This, of course, is why the Nexen deal has become such a hot potato: CNOOC is not just a company. It's an arm of the Beijing ruling clique. Rejection of the bid therefore means rejection of the clique. Because the clique utterly controls the country, that in turn will be taken to mean a rejection of China itself.



Is this not, to use the precise economic jargon, seriously messed up? The Conservative government blundered into this on the assumption that dealing with China is just like dealing with any other trading nation. It isn't. In attempting to rush the FIPA through with no discussion or study, let alone a credible plan of engagement, the government guaranteed it would become controversial. It now finds itself in a Catch-22. Extrication will not be easy.



Twitter.com/mdentandt



National Post
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 16, 2012, 11:07:01 AM
yes Shen Li hysterical country indeed...

look at little horrorNutz
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 16, 2012, 11:07:53 AM
Lose Lose on FIPA..Comment

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/OPINION+Chinese+FIPA+lose+lose+proposition/7545141/story.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 16, 2012, 11:23:45 AM
[size=150]More Comments Over NEXEN..deal now is being rushed through Parliament as I type this all at our sovereignty's expense..Did I hear anyone shout Treason![/size]





 SAY NO TO NEXEN DEAL and NO TO FIPA you have seen who they put in power in China more old conservatives who want to expand stealing information from countries like Canada only a fool would approve this agreement



"Just weeks ago, amid a territorial dispute over miniscule, uninhabited islands in the East China Sea between Okinawa and Taiwan, there were mass protests in 50 eastern Chinese cities. Violent mobs trashed or burned Japanese-owned supermarkets, factories and car dealerships, while police stood by. The damage has since been estimated by the Japanese government at more than $100-million US. Japan's FIPA with China, as you may have guessed, was of little use during the riots, or in their aftermath. Japanese businesses have been left to fend for themselves, seeking compensation in Chinese courts."



Japs wont get their money, and you think Canada would do better! LOL



 Read more: http://www.canada.com/China+ju...





 Falun Dafa is a heart and mind cultivation practice with

practitioners all over the world and most of them are in China. They

practice truthfulness, goodness and tolerance. In 1999, the brutal

paranoid Chinese Communist Party believed them to be a political threat,

they were not, and began an attempted genocide using torture, slavery,

organ harvesting and murder. Every time the ruthless CNOOC finds a

practitioner working for them, it has turned him or her into the police

and these gentle people have been sent to slave camps and brainwashing

facilities to be tortured and or murdered. This is the kind of company

that the Government of Canada is allowing to invest in our country. It

is about time that Mr. Harper started representing all Canadians, not

just the rich ones. Thank you for your

consideration.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 16, 2012, 11:36:26 AM
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by The Canadian Press on Friday, November 2, 2012



OTTAWA – The Harper government bought itself some more time to deal with a political hot potato, extending a review of the controversial $15.1-billion bid by a Chinese state-owned company to acquire Calgary-based oil and gas producer Nexen Inc (TSX:NXY).



Industry Minister Christian Paradis said in a news release issued Friday evening that the Investment Canada Act review of the proposed purchase has been extended by 30 days until Dec. 10.



Extensions under the Act are not unusual, Paradis noted and can again be prolonged with the consent of the acquiring company, in this case China National Offshore Oil Co.



Because it's the second time the Nexen-CNOOC review has been extended, the latest delay couldn't have taken place without CNOOC's permission.



Another extension was widely expected by market players and political observers, but nonetheless it suggests the political ramifications of the proposed takeover have the Conservatives bewildered on how to proceed, said Peter Julian, the NDP's natural resources critic.



"Anytime in politics when people are making decisions on a late Friday night it's because they're scared of public reaction," he said in a phone interview.



"They desperately want to rubber stamp it, and because they know that public opposition is growing they're just trying to buy more and more time."



The Nexen deal has generated direct and indirect concerns from a number of quarters and even Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said the takeover bid "raises a range of difficult policy questions," indicating there's a national security angle that factors into Canada's relationship with China.



The Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Canada's spy agency, raised a red flag on foreign investment by state-owned firms in general in its annual report this year, although it didn't name specific countries.



The NDP has raised a wide range of concerns specifically regarding Nexen, including concerns over national security, environmental and human rights. The New Democrats have also called the federal review process too secretive.



Harper is even dealing with members of his own caucus, such as Alberta MP Rob Anders, who have voiced displeasure.



Ottawa sources say the Harper government is torn between its eagerness to court foreign investment and new markets in Asia, and its distaste for government-run companies.



"One of the most pointed concerns is, this country spent the better part of a generation moving away from the Crown or the state-owned enterprises because we recognized it's simply not an efficient way to run an economy," one Conservative MP told The Canadian Press on condition of anonymity. "So there is some hesitation to allow a state-owned enterprise from a foreign acquisition come in and buy a sizeable Canadian asset."



A source close to the matter said CNOOC was prepared for a lengthy review when it made its move in July, given the size and significance of the transaction. The person added the Chinese company still expects the deal to close by year-end.



Industry Canada took 103 days to approve Swiss-based Glencore's $6.1-billion deal to buy Viterra earlier this year. That transaction still hasn't closed because it's waiting on Chinese government approval.



Under the Investment Canada Act, deals involving WTO member countries valued at more than $330 million must be a "net benefit" to Canada.



Just what constitutes a "net benefit" exactly is unclear, but Harper has said clarifications are coming soon.



U.S. politicians on both sides of the aisle have cautioned Ottawa against turning over natural resources to a Chinese state-owned company. Critics fear that CNOOC may answer more to Beijing than it does the market.



And the deal involves a Canadian national treasure, oil.



In an apparent bid to ease Ottawa's concerns, CNOOC has pledged to keep the head office in Calgary, seek a listing on the Toronto Stock Exchange and place some $8 billion of its assets under the control of Nexen's management in Canada. It has also promised to carry on Nexen's social responsibility programs in Canada and around the world.



"The proposed transaction is undergoing a rigorous review under the Investment Canada Act," Paradis said in a statement. "A determination will be made based on the six clear factors that are laid out in detail in section 20 of the Act and the Guidelines on Investment by State-Owned Enterprises.



"The required time will be taken to conduct a thorough and careful review of this proposed investment."



Now that the government has until early December to complete its review, the plan may be to quietly announce approval of the deal sometime during the Christmas holidays, suggested Julian.



"I think the way this government works and its lack of respect for the public means that they're going to be looking to rubber stamp it sometime during the Christmas season, hoping that public reaction will blow over."
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 16, 2012, 11:51:23 AM
[size=150]Rash of immolations in Tibet around China's[selected] state leader [figurehead] for the Hans[/size]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tibet/9639035/Seven-Tibetan-self-immolations-hit-China-in-a-week.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 11:32:47 AM
"I can assure you that our companies working in other countries are strictly doing business according to the local laws."[/b]"

If you really have the evidence, come [out] with it. If not... shut up," Zhang says  belligerently.



The Chinese ambassador's comments come on the heels of a scathing report released by a U.S. intelligence committee last month, warning of the security risks associated with doing business with two of China's leading telecommunications firms, Huawei and ZTE.



The ambassador said "even the United States could not give out evidence."



However, as CBC's Greg Weston reported days after the report was made public, that same U.S. intelligence committee has turned over to the FBI evidence of possible bribery and corruption by Huawei, one of the largest telecom companies in the world.



In an interview with CBC News after the U.S. report was released, the chairman of the committee, House Representative Mike Rogers, warned that Canada's national security was equally at risk.



Zhang said the "so-called security concerns" are "so far, groundless."



China's ambassador blamed the allegations of espionage against Chinese firms on "a Cold War mentality."



CNOOC's bid for Nexen

But a controversial bid by a Chinese state-owned company has raised concerns about growing Chinese investment in Canada's natural resources.



And while the federal government is reviewing a $15-billion proposed takeover by China National Offshore Oil Corp. of Calgary's Nexen Inc. under the Investment Canada Act, the Chinese ambassador told Solomon there's nothing to fear.



"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate," Zhang said, pointing to the fact that no oil or gas has been shipped from Canada to China yet.



The Chinese ambassador said Canada was "one of the best destination" for Chinese companies to invest partly because of our "transparent policies."



Official Opposition Leader Tom Mulcair has come out swinging against the deal, saying his New Democrats do not believe it's in Canada's best interest.



Members of the Conservative caucus are also said to be grappling with the bid, as are a majority of Canadians, who recent surveys suggest are uncomfortable with a major domestic oil company being sold to a Chinese government enterprise.



The federal government, however, is apparently facing pressure from industry to approve the bid in exchange for further reciprocity from China.



The review period has been extended to Dec. 10.



Investment treaty with China

The Conservatives have also come under heavy scrutiny from opposition parties and critics who have sounded the alarm over an investment treaty Prime Minister Stephen Harper recently signed with China, saying Canada will come out on the losing end of the deal.



Zhang brushed off the concerns, saying that China has signed similar investment treaties with more than a hundred countries and describing it as an "international standard agreement."



The treaty, formally known as a Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement, could have been ratified via a cabinet decree as early as 21 sitting days after it was tabled in Parliament on Sept. 26. But so far there's no indication on the federal government's website of orders-in-council that it has come into law.



Zhang said building "mutual trust" between the two countries is a priority, adding that the economic and trading relations between the two countries are "very important."



This week, Chinese Vice-President Xi Jinping succeeded outgoing President Hu Jintao as the country's new leader, assuming the top posts in the Communist Party.



Zhang said political reform is "high" on the government and party's agenda.



And [we] our [corrupt] politicians want trade relations with these ignorant people! NO THANKS!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 11:53:40 AM
Ignorant actually to think that they can bully Canada and that we don't know what we are doing...On the last point its true, we are allowing the enemy to dictate to us. Check out his statement...

 





"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate"

 :lol:  8-)  :mrgreen:



Oh good: They just want to "participate". They don't want to own our natural resources so they can exploit them for themselves and exclude Canadians. And those nasty rumours about counterfeiting and espionage. All false. Nothing to be concerned about there either.



It's time to stop pandering to these people..
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: "Securious"Ignorant actually to think that they can bully Canada and that we don't know what we are doing...On the last point its true, we are allowing the enemy to dictate to us. Check out his statement...

 





"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate"

 ]





Mr. Ambassador:

This is not China! Don't tell us to keep quiet!

One thing Canadians don't have to do, and will never do, is "keep quiet".



[the last thing this country wants is to be a Totalitarian Fascist Communist Regime, look at the Chinese bureaucracy, its huge! So we wont shut up. so shove it mate! ]..me S
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 12:05:14 PM
[size=150]The American Viewpoint[/size]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-telecom-tiff-a-wake-up-call-for-china-us-relations/article4600525/?from=5403572
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
our "transparent' policies..in New Age double'speak means EASY, Shen. We [Canadian politicians-bought I may say] are pushovers on this China arrangement and he is exploiting that.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
They know they can get boots on the ground over NEXEN and then a signing of their FIPA deal. Its so transparent to me and so many others , why cant you see this?



Look how they deal with other international issues they don't like









Here's another



here we go again, another
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 12:39:54 PM
[size=200]So[/size]............ [size=200]"Saw seng"[/size] [size=200]&[/size] [size=200]" Dew Ney"[/size] [size=200]China!!!![/size]
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 17, 2012, 08:30:01 PM
I have posted many times. When a chinese guy asks indignantly ? Do you have proof ?" this as a rule means that they know it's true and are smugly trying to be clever in a decietful way to win. He knows that CSIS isn't going to be so stupid as to reveal what they know.It also makes for him getting alot of face from his fellow Chinese everywhere including Canada.




Quote from: "Securious"
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 08:35:19 PM
So true Gary.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 08:44:37 PM
[size=200]Chinese envoy to Canada denies company spying[/size]



(AFP) MONTREAL — Beijing's envoy to Canada on Saturday denied that Chinese companies were involved in industrial espionage, and challenged anyone to prove the contrary.



"I can assure you that our companies working in other countries are strictly doing business according to the local laws," Ambassador Zhang Junsai told CBC radio.



"If you really have the evidence, come (out) with it. If not... shut up," he told CBC.



The diplomat blamed the allegations on "a Cold War mentality."



According to the ambassador, "even the United States could not give out evidence."



The comments come after a US House of Representatives panel in October concluded that Chinese telecom giants Huawei and ZTE pose a security threat and should be barred from US contracts and acquisitions.



The US House Intelligence Committee panel launched its probe over concerns that China could use the fast-growing firms for economic or military espionage, or cyber attacks.



Both Huawei and ZTE have denied any ties with the Chinese government. Top firm executives appeared at a Capitol Hill in September, stressing that they were focused on business, not politics.



The ambassador's statement comes as Canada's Conservative Party government has extended a probe into the proposed $15.1 billion takeover of Calgary-based oil and gas company Nexen by China's state-owned CNOOC.



"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate," the ambassador told CBC.



A mid-October poll showed that nearly 60 percent of all Canadians fear that CNOOC, the China National Offshore Oil Corporation, would have a competitive advantage over public companies or believe foreign governments should not be able to control resources on Canadian soil.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 17, 2012, 08:56:51 PM




will anyone help us fight corruption because no one in Uganda will?[/b] China need not apply, not after President Jintao warned on Thursday at the opening of the Communist Party congress that corruption "could prove fatal to the party" and potentially lead to the "fall of the state".



Hello Mr. Obama
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 01:29:20 AM
[size=150]Feds Caught Between A Rock And A Hard Place; They're Dithering[/size]

[size=200]Feds won't be pushed into fast decision on Nexen... [/size]



VANCOUVER, CALGARY — The Globe and Mail



Published Friday, Nov. 16 2012    




The federal government is not rushing to rule on whether state-owned foreign companies can buy Canadian resources without comprehensive examinations, even with a key deadline on the horizon.



Ed Fast, Minister for International Trade and for the Asia-Pacific Gateway, said he expects Ottawa to clarify the so-called net benefit test "very soon." Foreign companies must prove their acquisitions will benefit Canada to obtain approval for proposed takeovers of domestic companies with assets of more than $312-million. Industry Minister Christian Paradis is currently reviewing two major deals involving state-controlled companies out of Asia.



 Motorists pump natural gas at a Petronas station in Kuala Lumpur. By far the largest shareholder in Progress Energy Resources Corp. is the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, which own 37.5 million shares - so this deal costs the CPP $375-million. REUTERS

Market View

Video: Market View: Petronas block raises questions about another energy takeover: Nexen



"I would say this: With respect to the Chinese, Canadians expect us to exercise a high level of due diligence in our dealings with our trade partners, especially where state-owned enterprises are concerned. I would hope that the Chinese also understand how important this is to Canada that we get it right," Mr. Fast said in an interview Thursday. "I'm committed to getting it right and I know that the Industry Minister is committed to getting it right. ... Our government is committed to getting it right. But we will not be pushed or hurried into making these kinds of decisions."



China's CNOOC Ltd. wants to buy Nexen Inc. for $15.1-billion (U.S.), while Malaysia's Petronas has struck a $6-billion takeover deal with Progress Energy Resources Corp. Both deals are in limbo as Ottawa refines its net benefit rules, although the government's forthcoming clarifications will affect far more than the two deals.



State-owned companies in Asia, which have the cash to fund growth in Canada's energy sector in a way domestic companies cannot, are hungry for assets in western Canada. If the rules are too restrictive, however, they may stay away. This could chill international trade, as well as slow growth in the oil sands and expensive unconventional gas plays. North American natural gas prices are stagnant, but Canada has the potential to develop a liquefied natural gas market if the capital is available.



Mr. Fast said the timing for clarifying the net benefit rules depends "solely" on Mr. Paradis, although he expects an announcement soon. "Our government will be coming out with clarifications on the guidelines we apply and I expect that is going to happen very soon," Mr. Fast said.



Asked whether details could come next week, he added: "Maybe." The government, however, has been promising to clarify the rules for months. On Oct. 22, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, for example, said there would be news in the "not-too-distant" future.



Petronas and Progress had expected the government to approve their union without difficulty. Mr. Paradis, however, rejected the deal when the review period ended on Oct. 19, although sources say he was left no option after Petronas refused to extend the deadline. Petronas's executives then quickly went to Ottawa to negotiate – they had another 30 days to sway Mr. Paradis – and Reuters and the Wall Street Journal reported Friday the Malaysian company submitted a modified bid about two weeks ago. The review period can be extended again should both sides agree. The current examination period expires around Monday. (Investment Canada will not clarify when the 30-day clock started ticking and what happens if the expiration date falls on the weekend, as it appears to. Progress said that is confidential.)



Greg Kist, Progress's vice-president of marketing, corporate and government relations, would not say whether Petronas has submitted a revised offer to Ottawa, noting the company does not have standing on the file.



"I could certainly point you to back to what Petronas indicated before – in their last news release – that it would be making additional submissions after having met with Industry Canada officials and obviously meetings have happened," he said.



CNOOC and Nexen's next review deadline is Monday, Dec. 10, although that can be extended, too.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 01:36:03 AM
[size=200]Coal Mine Looked For Cheaper Workers[/size]



http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/coal-mine-looked-for-chinese-workers-at-lower-pay-union-tells-court-1.1042253
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 01:24:52 PM
BF][size=150]These concerns are all reasonable. The Chinese cannot be trusted, prima facie, to act in any manner other than the one that feeds their self-interest, which is the interest of the Communist regime.[/size]

The largest albeit "temporary economy" [its going down too] can and must be ignored, to do otherwise would be at our peril......S
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"Lorne Gunter is hardly some anti-oilsands, anti-Alberta asshole that wants to tank the nation's economy. If he expresses reservations about some of these deals, we might be wise to take heed.


I see hes a little nervous Shen. Here is someone who takes heed. Lets all do the same.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 01:36:56 PM
we have an envious position in the world simply because we have large oil and gas reserves!!!! We have the power to be the greatest nation on earth if we don't heed the likes of that wise gent, Shen.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 01:41:51 PM
when I say great... it's based on how we use that treasure for ourselves first and foremost. To be that desperate that we are giving up our birthrights is simply stupid and reckless for national security. Richard Fadden must be allowed to give his two cents over these Chinese oligarchs. Let the man speak I say, tell all of Canada what he was going to say before being muzzled.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 01:46:25 PM
The head of CSIS - Canadian Security Intelligence Service,

revealed details about foreign government espionage

right here on Canadian soil involving Canadian politicians.






Fadden's testimony speaks for itself. During the CBC interview, Fadden also said the agency [CSIS] was in the process of discussing with the Privy Council Office the best way to inform the provinces of concern that there may be a problem. The Prime Minister's Office [Stephen Harper] later issued a statement saying it had "no knowledge of these matters"....



Since that time spy-chief Fadden has seemingly become a "refs unperson" as in Orwell's "1984" where: "People who had incurred the displeasure of the Party simply disappeared and were never heard of again. Their name was removed from the registers. Every record of everything they had ever done was wiped out, their one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. They were abolished, annihilated: vaporized was the usual word. One never had the smallest clue as to what had happened to them. The only real clue lay in the words 'refs unperson', which indicated that the person was dead. He did not exist: he had never existed".



Then a couple of weeks ago a Chinese municipal politician in Vancouver - who calls himself "Chairman Chow" (after China's Chairman Mao) got cocky while sitting in for the absentee mayor (a descendent of Norman Bethune a Canadian communist honoured by Chairman Mao) and got some laughs from fellow councillors while mocking Canada's CSIS spy-chief:



City Hall's Chairman Chow, Vancouver Courier, Oct 13, 2010 (Vision Vancouver Councillor George Chow seemingly relished his duties chairing a special city hall meeting last week, dispatching one councillor to fill his mug and telling another he didn't need a break. As faithful readers will recall, Chow and his Chowisms have filled up many a column of your dedicated city hall watcher. A summary: He loves K-cars, enjoys showing reporters photographs of himself doing roof repairs, knows an interesting urinal when he sees one (and supplied this scribe with a photograph), uses his excess water from his bath to flush his toilet, revealed he would walk on hot coals in Chinatown for a fundraiser (not sure if he did), is able to recite poetry from his childhood ("A pen and a man. A man and a pen. This is a pen. This is a man"), has a life-sized photograph of himself and claims he was named after King George. More recently, he sought inspiration from Confucius in a "prayer" he delivered at a July council meeting that poked fun at CSIS boss Richard Fadden and his allegations that unnamed municipal politicians in B.C. are on the take from foreign governments. So it was with great enthusiasm that I watched Chow as he chaired the Oct. 5 meeting of the transportation and traffic committee at city hall. Chairman Chow, anybody? The similarity of his title to the leader of the Chinese revolution -- some guy named Mao -- brought a smile to his face. It also brought giggles from some of his colleagues and those who showed up in the gallery to hear council's eventual decision to approve a separated bike lane on Hornby Street. Sitting at an elevated desk normally occupied by Mayor Gregor Robertson, which is flanked by large photographs of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, Chow presided over the meeting like, well, an autocratic leader. In no particular order, he told Vision Vancouver Coun. Raymond Louie that he didn't need a break because he just had supper, he shook his empty cup at Vision Vancouver Councillor Tim Stevenson to fetch him some more hot water and was merciless in cutting off politicians and the public at the microphone. At one point, when the talk turned to lack of new road space available, Chow suggested a motion be introduced to find the engineer who designed the city's streets and subject that person to a public flogging. More laughs. He also mused out loud that if he dropped the C from his surname that he would be known as "Chairman How". I'm not sure anybody in the chambers understood what he meant, but there was laughter. But as Chairman Chow's old buddy Confucius once said, "Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." More teachings and comedy to come from Chairman Chow at the next transportation and traffic meeting, scheduled for November 2nd. A book of his quotations will be available in the lobby for signing. Just kidding... I think.



"Isn't it amazing?" laugh the Chinese hysterically in the statues down at English Bay in Vancouver, and now in the flesh at Vancouver's City Hall. See A-MAZE-ING LAUGHTER
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 02:26:38 PM
Don't be surprised to see Obamalamadingdong get all gushy, mushy and cuddly with the Communist Chinese in the next 12 months.Same for Harper too I'd imagine. Now that he's been selected in albeit a divided nation.More Chinese workers on the horizon folks just in a nick of time to drive the mean standard of living down even more amongst the dwindling middle classes.



A Middle Class, What's That!

.....arent I the cheery one today.





http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/obama-affirms-strategic-importance-of-asia-pacific-315513.html
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Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 07:35:31 PM
[/b]



coming up..





http://ca.china-embassy.org/eng/gdxw/t947454.htm



you should see all the furor over this guys arrogant statement yesterday..its gone viral.

comments coming..
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 07:42:41 PM




This is great. China - a highly centralized communist country - tells us how we ought to keep our democracy in check. Between China advising us on domestic matters and Israel dictating our foreign policy, Stephen Harper has pretty much outsourced his own government.

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Yul Nevano

10:38 AM on November 17, 2012





Who do those Chinese think they are, treating us like Americans treat us, ... you know, ... like they own us?



^That's^ not even the worst part of this story. The worst part is, ... we will 'shut up' about it.



Pfffft!

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rog2010

10:53 AM on November 17, 2012





Maybe it's time to send the ambassador back to that beacon of

virtue, China (sarcasm intended!)

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10:10 AM on November 17, 2012





Conservatives love to call Liberals and NDP socialist communists, but when they encounter real communists they bow down and say there is nothing to fear. To pretend that CHina isn't spying on other countries and is to pretend the moon doesn't cause the tides.

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Antipro

2:37 PM on November 17, 2012





Our new Owner has spoken, Shut up Canada

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Mr William Stephenson

12:07 PM on November 17, 2012





Total propaganda, and menacing propaganda at that.



Consider the facts:



Shawn Henry, retired executive assistant director of the F.B.I. (and its lead agent on cybercrime), told Congress of an American company that had all of its data from a 10-year, $1 billion research program copied by Chinese hackers in one night. Gen. Keith B. Alexander, head of the military's Cyber Command, called the continuing, rampant cybertheft "the greatest transfer of wealth in history."



The current espionage and active measures currently being waged against North Americans far exceeds anything the Soviets tried. We SHOULD have a cold war mentality because this IS a cold war.



If we do not act now, we can only expect the total suppression, even genocide of the 'gui lao.'

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Can't believe it

10:40 AM on November 17, 2012



 



China's ambassador to Canada tells critics to 'shut up' over espionage claims



And the Ruskies don't spy either ....right??? That's ALL cold war stuff too??

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Eel'sLaker

10:50 AM on November 17, 2012





Some ambassador trained in diplomacy! Probably a party appointee whose has not lived in a freer society where we can listen to dissenting voices and act if we wish. His tact and manner are from the imperial age. No desire to question here.

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doggysnoopy

10:20 AM on November 17, 2012





Yeah, Right. It is public knowledge that they have an army of hackers who are involved in industrial espionage and the theft of sensitive information. Case in point Nortel.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/02/15/nortel-hacking-shields-as-it-happens.html

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Boom Boom Pow

11:54 AM on November 17, 2012





I thought there was plenty of proof. Wasn't it proven that Nortel was a victim of corporate espionage stemming from China for years!?

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MVP10

1:06 PM on November 17, 2012





Telling us to shut up. This is a representative of the totalitarian regime Harper is selling Canada out to.

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HJK

10:22 AM on November 17, 2012





The arrogance of the Chinese ( the country ) is breathtaking, and dangerous.

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hanginright

11:52 AM on November 17, 2012





Bye-bye now CNOOC/Nexen deal.

and the Gateway is Closed.



how to kill a deal,

Ambassador style,

mouth off and tell others to shut up.



Not good for relations and business .



China may want to recall this mouthy embarrassing undiplomatic ambassador.

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6:18 PM on November 17, 2012





Does this fool think we are going to believe his BS. Minute by minute they steal trade secrets, they are great at copying, but haven't had an original idea since the Great Wall!

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Bill Foonman

2:27 PM on November 17, 2012





Message to China's ambassador to Canada?



Watch your mouth! You still represent a sleazy, duplicitous country with one of the world's worst records of human rights' abuse.



We tolerate and are forced to do business with China, which would not be our choice if we had one.



At least you have the right to criticize in the West. Your citizens would "disappear" for doing that.

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hanginright

3:47 PM on November 17, 2012





memo for the Ambassssador,

you do need to remember you are visiting us,

you do "NOT" own us.



Therefore you need to shut up and mind yur manners and mouth.

Who do you think you are Mr. Ambassador?

You do "NOT" be coming into our country and be telling us to shut up.

like seriously,

honestly.



this is Canada ,

"Not" China.



We have Rights and Freedoms here in Canada.

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Jadotsam

2:37 PM on November 17, 2012





This idiot thinks that he's still in China - despite the countless evidence of Chinese

espionage, over many years, in Western society, in all sectors.

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tedwilson2

4:53 PM on November 17, 2012





Be afraid. Be very afraid.



Hey, Ambassador, Goofball, c'mere and say that.........

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canuck_1812

10:49 AM on November 17, 2012





To Mr.ambassador, who was behind your "high tech" companies who stolen technologies from the high tech western countries? There is no away in a short time those companies can grow that fast unless stealing. Is that enough for Canadian to concern and should be about "you"? We will be having a WWIII and that will come from China. The world should be worry that now rather than too late

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Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 18, 2012, 08:33:31 PM
[size=150]Military Drills South China Sea[/size]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9632972/Chinese-naval-fleets-conduct-joint-military-drills-in-the-South-China-Sea.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 19, 2012, 11:20:37 AM
[size=200]Total Sells Nigeria Offshore Oil Stake for $2.5B[/size]

 LAGOS, Nigeria November 19, 2012 (AP)





French oil firm Total SA says it has sold a stake in an offshore oil field in Nigeria for $2.5 billion to Chinese state oil company Sinopec Corp.



Total made the announcement Monday in a statement posted to its corporate website. Sinopec officials were not immediately available for comment.



Officials with Total have said they plan to sell off some stakes in oil fields around the world to raise cash for new ventures.



Total said the deal, done for cash, must be approved by Nigerian authorities.



The state-run Nigerian National Petroleum Corp. is the concession holder on the field. Other partners include Chevron Corp, Esso E&P Nigeria Ltd. and Nexen Petroleum Nigeria Ltd.



China has been interested in expanding its oil holdings in Nigeria for some time.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 19, 2012, 12:02:05 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"Don't be surprised to see Obamalamadingdong get all gushy, mushy and cuddly with the Communist Chinese in the next 12 months.Same for Harper too I'd imagine. Now that he's been selected in albeit a divided nation.More Chinese workers on the horizon folks just in a nick of time to drive the mean standard of living down even more amongst the dwindling middle classes.



A Middle Class, What's That!

.....arent I the cheery one today.





http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/obama-affirms-strategic-importance-of-asia-pacific-315513.html

I can understand Harper eying the floor because Obama is not the most reliable dance partner. That trip to India waas not just because he wanted a phot-op in front of the Taj Mahal. We really, really need to wean ourselves off total reliance on the US market and that is exactly what we are doing.




We really really don't need the Chinese either, we need to diversify totally. China is a Communist Totalitarian fascist State. Do you really want to let China buy us out, thats what they  want with FIPA. You do know this don't you.Canada is being sold down the river. Look at whats happening in Africa.Take chickens for example. China is sending million of émigrés to colonize Africa to interfere with local economies with inferior goods. Chickens in this case. Colonialism is alive and well with the Chinese concerning Africa!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12364078
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 19, 2012, 12:16:23 PM
Wherever the Chinese go they assuredly destroy local economies with cheap/nasty/worthless crap. Before the locals know it the damage has been done, too late mate.

Brazil is experiencing this now too...not just Africa but all of Latin America.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/9348299.stm
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 19, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Someone has been reading my posts: Take Note!











by David J. Climenhaga| October 25, 2012





Is it only me that sees a certain irony in the fact a naval officer who sold military secrets to the now-thoroughly-capitalist Russians for a few thousand dollars has been tossed in the slammer as a traitor by a government that would sign away our country's sovereignty in an all-but secret treaty with the still-Communist Chinese?



It certainly shows the difference a big impact on the right people's bottom lines can have on how the world sees you and your deeds!



As Sir John Harington, the first Queen Elizabeth's "saucy godson" and the inventor of the flush toilet, so famously observed]
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 19, 2012, 06:50:57 PM
[size=200]Triad Structutre[/size]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Triad_structure.svg
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Securious on November 20, 2012, 02:22:40 PM
[size=200]NEXEN Deal At Hand[/size]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/ottawa-pushes-cnooc-on-nexen-vows/article5455231/
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2012, 12:15:37 AM
Quote from: "Securious"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"Don't be surprised to see Obamalamadingdong get all gushy, mushy and cuddly with the Communist Chinese in the next 12 months.Same for Harper too I'd imagine. Now that he's been selected in albeit a divided nation.More Chinese workers on the horizon folks just in a nick of time to drive the mean standard of living down even more amongst the dwindling middle classes.



A Middle Class, What's That!

.....arent I the cheery one today.





http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/obama-affirms-strategic-importance-of-asia-pacific-315513.html

I can understand Harper eying the floor because Obama is not the most reliable dance partner. That trip to India waas not just because he wanted a phot-op in front of the Taj Mahal. We really, really need to wean ourselves off total reliance on the US market and that is exactly what we are doing.




We really really don't need the Chinese either, we need to diversify totally. China is a Communist Totalitarian fascist State. Do you really want to let China buy us out, thats what they  want with FIPA. You do know this don't you.Canada is being sold down the river. Look at whats happening in Africa.Take chickens for example. China is sending million of émigrés to colonize Africa to interfere with local economies with inferior goods. Chickens in this case. Colonialism is alive and well with the Chinese concerning Africa!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12364078

You cannot trust China's intentions.



Once you start to negotiate with them you've already lost.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on November 27, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
Want to know how loyal Richmond Chinese are to Canada?



In D.M. North's March 4 letter ("Lessons on integration"), the letter-writer once again brought up the assimilation topic. While the letter-writer did present some valid reasons of why the Chinese in Richmond would not practice English, unfortunately the biggest reason was left out in his article.







The truth may be shocking for some, but I feel a frank but honest discussion is more healthy than being polite but hypocritical: For many of the Chinese in Vancouver, becoming Canadian was never a reason why we moved here, nor do we have the desire to do so. Rather, we see ourselves as Chinese expatriates, living in Canada for a short-term purpose, be it providing our kids to an easier education environment, setting up a business, or even just taking a long vacation.







Much like many Canadians who spend some years living overseas and eventually return to their homeland, a lot of us would just spend several years in Canada and eventually return to Asia. With that mindset in mind, it would be silly to think that many expatriates would actually take the effort and learn a foreign language, in this case English.







Furthermore, many Chinese simply see Canada as a vacation home, allowing them to come for a couple of months every year and enjoy Canada's great outdoors after a year of hard work in China. Much like many Americans who have a vacation home in Mexico, would anyone actually expect these Americans to take learning Spanish seriously? Rather, the Americans would expect the area where his Mexican vacation home is located to be an English friendly environment, and the same goes for us Chinese expatriates, and this has made Richmond the way it is today, catering to Chinese expatriates like me and many others.







I really do hope the Canadians can come to the realization that we are here not because we wanted to be Canadian, but simply because we like the resource this country provides to us. Much like many of your ancestors who came to this land, not because of they wanted to become natives, but because they desire the resources and opportunities in this land.







So please, my friends, set your expectations right.







Ray Lin







Richmond


http://www.richmondreview.com/opinion/letters/118685289.html
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 27, 2012, 07:24:16 PM
Sure, many Chinese see Canada as a vacation home like many Canadians see Mexico and other countries as vacation homes, but ending up saying "we are here not because we wanted to be Canadian" is a false generalization. It's pretty obvious that nearly all Chinese who come to Canada want to be Canadian. They want to come here, they like it here, they stay here and they become good Canadian citizens. Only a small percentage of Chinese immigrants go back home.



The author of that letter doesn't know what he's talking about. He certainly doesn't speak for most Chinese Canadians.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 27, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
I don't see a problem with people from another nation buying holiday homes in Canada even if it is done with money that they can't account for. It does alarm me when large scale immigration is done from a nationality who support the enjoy living here while they support taking over this nation and believe we deserve being subjugated would laugh if we they succeed.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
I don't like the idea of foreign money pricing Canadian families out of the housing market.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on November 27, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
and how do these people have a million dollars to plunk down when their wages are about as much as my EI or less ? all while they support their families ?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"and how do these people have a million dollars to plunk down when their wages are about as much as my EI or less ? all whiloe they support their families ?

Those people that buy three million dollar homes were not on low wages in China.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on November 28, 2012, 05:36:02 PM
Quote from: "Romero"Sure, many Chinese see Canada as a vacation home like many Canadians see Mexico and other countries as vacation homes, but ending up saying "we are here not because we wanted to be Canadian" is a false generalization. It's pretty obvious that nearly all Chinese who come to Canada want to be Canadian. They want to come here, they like it here, they stay here and they become good Canadian citizens. Only a small percentage of Chinese immigrants go back home.



The author of that letter doesn't know what he's talking about. He certainly doesn't speak for most Chinese Canadians.

Chinese don't want to become Canadians, they want Canadians to become like them.



Chinese immigrants have flocked to Canada's west coast and transformed Vancouver into Canada's very own Asian metropolis. The days of concern over the city being turned into 'Hongcouver' have gone. What does the future hold for Canada's Asian population?



Shoppers stroll casually past a Lamborghini store in Richmond's Aberdeen Centre - a major Asian mall in this once sleepy Vancouver suburb known for its farmland and fishing village.



Outside the shopping centre, people are queuing at the many Chinese restaurants. In the local supermarkets, butchers are picking live seafood out of fish tanks, chopping off the heads, then gutting and packaging them up under the watchful eye of customers, almost exclusively Chinese-Canadian.



Richmond is North America's most Asian city - 50% of residents here identify themselves as Chinese. But it's not just here that the Chinese community in British Columbia (BC) - some 407,000 strong - has left its mark. All across Vancouver, Chinese-Canadians have helped shape the local landscape.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-radio-and-tv-18149316#
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on November 28, 2012, 05:47:43 PM
Scary stuff. The next thing we know there will be a Chinatown right in the city of Vancouver.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on November 28, 2012, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: "Romero"Scary stuff. The next thing we know there will be a Chinatown right in the city of Vancouver.






lol...keep an eye out for that homy and report back if you see any asians downtown.....sneaky litle bastards.. :lol:





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Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on November 28, 2012, 06:15:14 PM
Make all the jokes you want while Canada is being colonized. China gets the last laugh.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: heinzy on November 30, 2012, 06:28:07 AM
Quote from: "Securious"[///]




I stopped reading right there :"Between China advising us on domestic matters and Israel dictating our foreign policy, "



The usual dross & dreck  from the indefatigable  Chinaphobe   aka 'Doc Watson'; Sherlock' etc



Gosh, does this poor individual ever unglue himself from the computer and his fixations and goes out into the real world , actually pursueing healthy interaction  with real people?   Too long alone and  one gets kookoo ...
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on November 30, 2012, 06:49:46 PM
Quote from: "heinzy"
Quote from: "Securious"[///]




I stopped reading right there :"Between China advising us on domestic matters and Israel dictating our foreign policy, "



The usual dross & dreck  from the indefatigable  Chinaphobe   aka 'Doc Watson'; Sherlock' etc



Gosh, does this poor individual ever unglue himself from the computer and his fixations and goes out into the real world , actually pursueing healthy interaction  with real people?   Too long alone and  one gets kookoo ...

You cannot deny that there are a lot of Chinese in Canada. You cannot deny their loyalty is not divided. They are 100% to China.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2012, 11:35:58 PM
Quote from: "Lotus Leaf"Make all the jokes you want while Canada is being colonized. China gets the last laugh.

Sure Gary, sure.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2012, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Gary Oak, Securious and Fashionista are twirly brained, racist, nutbar, sinophobic, anti-semitic, crap n' drool conspiracy theorists.

Excuse me??
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 03, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
http://youtu.be/q7iDZnkn1xo



  Here Rambo, what do you think of this ?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2012, 11:48:26 PM
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Gary Oak/Fashionista/Securius is nothing but a racist sinophobic anticatholic antisemitic racist nutbar stupid moron twirlybrain  choking the chicken crap'n drool who thinks that AIDS is a manmade disease and that 9/11 of a conspiracy because Gary Oak/Fashionista/Securius is a stupid moron racist antisemitic,anticatholic sinophobic nutcase twirlybrain choking the chicken crap'n drool.

You cannot be serious or you have me confused with someone else.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 03, 2012, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Gary Oak/Fashionista/Securius is nothing but a racist sinophobic anticatholic antisemitic racist nutbar stupid moron twirlybrain  choking the chicken crap'n drool who thinks that AIDS is a manmade disease and that 9/11 of a conspiracy because Gary Oak/Fashionista/Securius is a stupid moron racist antisemitic,anticatholic sinophobic nutcase twirlybrain choking the chicken crap'n drool.

You cannot be serious or you have me confused with someone else.


You might not know but Rambo Wong is Gary's alternate handle, Romero founded through his writing style.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2012, 11:57:20 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Gary Oak/Fashionista/Securius is nothing but a racist sinophobic anticatholic antisemitic racist nutbar stupid moron twirlybrain  choking the chicken crap'n drool who thinks that AIDS is a manmade disease and that 9/11 of a conspiracy because Gary Oak/Fashionista/Securius is a stupid moron racist antisemitic,anticatholic sinophobic nutcase twirlybrain choking the chicken crap'n drool.

You cannot be serious or you have me confused with someone else.


You might not know but Rambo Wong is Gary's alternate handle, Romero founded through his writing style.

Are you sure Zetsu?



It doesn't look like Gary's posts..



It doesn't look like anything I've ever seen before.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 04, 2012, 12:03:11 AM
Zetsu is an idiot
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 04, 2012, 12:04:32 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
You cannot be serious or you have me confused with someone else.


You might not know but Rambo Wong is Gary's alternate handle, Romero founded through his writing style.

Are you sure Zetsu?



It doesn't look like Gary's posts..



It doesn't look like anything I've ever seen before.


Gary got busted by Romero in the other forum memebee before, once he left so did Rambo dissappeared, now Gary joined Rambo wong magically appeared too.  Can't you do a IP check on them as a mod here?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 04, 2012, 12:04:56 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Zetsu is an idiot


That's rich coming from a dumbass loser.  :lol:
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2012, 12:06:44 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Zetsu is an idiot

No, he's not, but I do believe he's made a mistake about you being Rambo Wong.



Your posts are nothing like his.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 04, 2012, 12:10:03 AM
ANy follower of Romero..the fag... is an idiot and Zetsu is real dumb
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 04, 2012, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Zetsu is an idiot

No, he's not, but I do believe he's made a mistake about you being Rambo Wong.



Your posts are nothing like his.


TBH I'm kind of suprised, considering Rambo only appears in forums where Gary is.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2012, 12:11:38 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"ANy follower of Romero..the fag... is an idiot and Zetsu is real dumb

Romero is not gay, but even if he was I don't see how that is your business.



Zetsu is not dumb, he just disagrees with you.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"


You might not know but Rambo Wong is Gary's alternate handle, Romero founded through his writing style.

Are you sure Zetsu?



It doesn't look like Gary's posts..



It doesn't look like anything I've ever seen before.


Gary got busted by Romero in the other forum memebee before, once he left so did Rambo dissappeared, now Gary joined Rambo wong magically appeared too.  Can't you do a IP check on them as a mod here?

I can, but I won't do that.



I consider that to be panel abuse.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 04, 2012, 12:16:40 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Are you sure Zetsu?



It doesn't look like Gary's posts..



It doesn't look like anything I've ever seen before.


Gary got busted by Romero in the other forum memebee before, once he left so did Rambo dissappeared, now Gary joined Rambo wong magically appeared too.  Can't you do a IP check on them as a mod here?

I can, but I won't do that.



I consider that to be panel abuse.


What do you mean by panel abuse?  I don't see how is it bad to find out if people are trolling under multiple handles.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 04, 2012, 12:17:25 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"ANy follower of Romero..the fag... is an idiot and Zetsu is real dumb


Come back little boy when you've learned to talk with your mouth, rather than your asshole.  :lol:
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2012, 12:20:38 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"


Gary got busted by Romero in the other forum memebee before, once he left so did Rambo dissappeared, now Gary joined Rambo wong magically appeared too.  Can't you do a IP check on them as a mod here?

I can, but I won't do that.



I consider that to be panel abuse.


What do you mean by panel abuse?  I don't see how is it bad to find out if people are trolling under multiple handles.

Abusing my mod privileges.



Even if it is true Zetsu, why would I check something like that?



Having more than one handle is not a rule violation.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 04, 2012, 12:23:03 AM
Let little Zetsu believe what he wants to believe. He'll probably grow up one day .
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2012, 12:25:21 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Let little Zetsu believe what he wants to believe. He'll probably grow up one day .

There's nothing wrong with Zetsu..



He just has different opinions than you.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 04, 2012, 12:27:30 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can, but I won't do that.



I consider that to be panel abuse.


What do you mean by panel abuse?  I don't see how is it bad to find out if people are trolling under multiple handles.

Absuiong my mod privileges.



Even if it is true Zetsu, why would I check something like that?



Having more than one handle is not a rule violation.


I don't see how is that considered as an abuse of mod privilege, there's nothing wrong seeing if the IP maches as long as you don't post it publicly for everyone to see.  I respect you for being considerate but you don't have to put such high standards on yourself.  But if you don't see it as right I don't want to push you.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Zetsu on December 04, 2012, 12:29:03 AM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"Let little Zetsu believe what he wants to believe. He'll probably grow up one day .


Aww Polly wants a cracker?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2012, 12:41:54 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"


What do you mean by panel abuse?  I don't see how is it bad to find out if people are trolling under multiple handles.

Absuiong my mod privileges.



Even if it is true Zetsu, why would I check something like that?



Having more than one handle is not a rule violation.


I don't see how is that considered as an abuse of mod privilege, there's nothing wrong seeing if the IP maches as long as you don't post it publicly for everyone to see.  I respect you for being considerate but you don't have to put such high standards on yourself.  But if you don't see it as right I don't want to push you.

Thanks Zetsu, I will respect everyone's privacy.



If a rule has been broken then and only then will I check IP's.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 04, 2012, 11:31:20 AM
giving Zetsu information on a Canadian is  FAN QING FU MING but it wouldn't surprise me that you would do such a thing as what you did to Shen Li you know..your friend  after she made you a mod to help while she's indisposed and then you ban her and take over the forum. This is truely a victory against Canadians that I am sure all chinese especially Zetsu are applauding.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2012, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"giving Zetsu information on a Canadian is  FAN QING FU MING but it wouldn't surprise me that you would do such a thing as what you did to Shen Li you know..your friend  after she made you a mod to help while she's indisposed and then you ban her and take over the forum. This is truely a victory against Canadians that I am sure all chinese especially Zetsu are applauding.

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Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2012, 09:51:58 PM
I don't think this is good for Canada.



http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/national/Government+approves+CNOOC+Nexen+Petronas+bids/7668195/story.html

OTTAWA — Canada is open for business and foreign investment — but is not for sale — the Harper government declared Friday in approving CNOOC's $15.1-billion takeover of Nexen, while warning that state-owned enterprise takeovers of oilsands companies will only be permitted on "an exceptional basis only."

 

In announcing its approval of the CNOOC-Nexen transaction, the Conservative government introduced a series of grittier rules for acquisitions of Canadian companies by state-owned enterprises.

 

Ottawa also approved a $6-billion takeover bid by Malaysian national energy company Petronas for Calgary-based natural gas producer Progress Energy Resources.

 

With its decision, the Conservative government signalled it welcomes foreign investment, but state-owned enterprises must answer to a different set of rules and that Canada's natural resources — especially the lucrative oilsands — won't be raided by so-called SOEs that may have interests beyond commercial objectives.

 

The government says new rules for state-owned firms are necessary because it does not want to see Canadian industries — including those in the oilsands and other sectors — transformed from operating on a commercial basis to under the control of a foreign state.

 

"When we say that Canada is open for business, we do not mean that Canada is for sale to foreign governments," Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Friday.

 

"Canadians generally, and investors specifically, should understand that these decisions are not the beginning of a trend, but rather the end of a trend," he added.

 

The Harper government spent months reviewing China National Offshore Oil Corporation's (CNOOC) $15.1-billion proposed takeover of Calgary-based petroleum producer Nexen, and whether the deal offered a "net benefit" to Canada — a broadly defined test under the Investment Canada Act.

 

The takeover bid sparked heated debate, including within the Conservative cabinet and caucus, about how much foreign investment Canada should allow when it comes to strategic natural resources such as oil and gas.

 

As part of the overhaul of its foreign investment rules, the Conservative government introduced a series of stricter new criteria for takeovers by state-owned enterprises such as CNOOC and Petronas.

 

Going forward, foreign takeovers of a Canadian oilsands business by a state-owned firm will be found to be of net benefit "on an exceptional basis only," the government announced.

 

"In light of growing trends, and following the decisions made today, the government of Canada has determined that foreign state control of oilsands development has reached the point at which further such foreign state control would not be of net benefit to Canada," Harper said.

 

"The government's concern and discomfort for some time has been that very quickly a series of large-scale controlling transactions by foreign state-owned companies could rapidly transform this industry from one that is essentially a free-market industry to one that is effectively under control of a foreign government."

 

Moreover, the federal industry minister will now closely examine SOE transactions on three key fronts:

 

- the degree of control or influence a state-owned enterprise would likely exert on the Canadian business being acquired;

 

- the degree of control or influence an SOE would likely exert on the industry in which the Canadian company operates; and

 

- the extent to which a foreign state is likely to exercise control or influence over the SOE acquiring the Canadian business.

 

The federal government is also introducing new measures that will allow the industry minister to extend the timelines for national security reviews, while keeping the net benefit threshold for SOE investments at $330 million in asset value.

 

The current review criteria for foreign investments by private companies will remain in place, as will plans to increase the review threshold to $1 billion over the next four years.

 

"Canadians have not spent years reducing the ownership of sectors of the economy by our own governments, only to see them bought and controlled by foreign governments instead," Harper said.

 

The decision to approve the two takeover bids — especially CNOOC's acquisition of Nexen — will undoubtedly be controversial, including inside the Conservative government.

 

At least a couple of cabinet ministers, as well as a number of other Tories in the wider caucus, were believed to have opposed the acquisition, the largest foreign takeover by a Chinese firm. Some Conservative MPs are worried about letting Chinese state-owned companies acquire such a large stake in Canada's resource sector.

 

Opposition parties had mixed reactions to the decision and new set of investment rules.

 

NDP natural resources critic Peter Julian described it as a "badly botched file," saying it is sad the decision doesn't appear to protect Canadian interests or provide clarity on foreign investment rules.

 

"The reality is what this government is trying to do is sugarcoat a decision that I think many Canadians will find very bitter to swallow," said Julian, during a conference call with reporters.

 

He also criticized the government for not staging public consultations on the decision.

 

The federal Liberals said Friday's announcement is problematic because the Conservatives gave few details of the Nexen takeover, including whether Canada will be able to have increased access to Chinese markets and companies.

 

There doesn't need to be 100 per cent reciprocity, but Canada should receive some level of give from the Chinese, said Liberal MP John McCallum.

 

"I think there should be a number of conditions (on CNOOC) and we don't know what the government has agreed on," McCallum said.

 

The Liberals are also concerned the new rules focusing on the oilsands could almost block other state-owned firms from investing in Canada, when they have the capital Canada needs.

 

Nexen shareholders voted overwhelmingly in September to approve the takeover, along with its 61-per-cent premium on the price of the company's shares.

 

The Conservative government initially blocked the $6-billion Petronas takeover of Progress because the acquisition didn't meet the "net benefit" test under the Investment Canada Act, although Petronas tweaked its proposal to get Friday's federal approval.

 

Opposition parties and some political observers argued that allowing Chinese state-owned companies like CNOOC to acquire a major Canadian energy company — and a valuable stake in the oilsands — would set a dangerous precedent and open the floodgates to more foreign investment that could "nationalize" Canada's natural resources.

 

The Alberta government provided Ottawa a list of conditions it wanted attached to any federal approval of the CNOOC-Nexen transaction. Those conditions reportedly included guarantees that at least half of Nexen's board and management positions would be held by Canadians; for CNOOC to maintain current staffing levels for at least five years; and a commitment to maintain planned capital spending.

 

As part of the proposed acquisition, CNOOC promised to make Calgary its North and Central American headquarters, retain Nexen's current management team and employees, and list CNOOC shares on the Toronto Stock Exchange.

 

Excluding the initial Petronas rejection, only two proposed foreign takeovers have been blocked since the Investment Canada Act was introduced in 1985 — both by the Conservative government amid heavy political pressure.

 

The first involved the proposed takeover of satellite producer MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd.'s space division in 2008, and the second involved Australian giant BHP Billiton Ltd.'s attempt to buy Saskatchewan's Potash Corp. in 2010





Read more: http://www.canada.com/Government+approves+CNOOC+Nexen+Petronas+Progress+takeover+bids/7668195/story.html#ixzz2EQPXyWoT
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on December 07, 2012, 11:11:10 PM
I don't think so either. There's nothing wrong with foreign investment and ownership, but this is basically selling off our companies and resources to foreign governments. Where's the free market capitalism? State-owned companies are socialist.



We privatized successful and profitable Petro-Canada only to end up giving a helping hand to these foreign, socialist, nationalized government-owned enterprises. Hey, let's just bring Petro-Can back and we'll let it start buying up their stuff.



People will say that we need the money and jobs. Well, Canada is more than capable of making even more money and jobs with our resources. Our oil is like gold right now and it's only becoming more precious. We should be calling the shots and we should be reaping the benefits.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on December 08, 2012, 06:30:43 AM
once again, Stephan Harper, the greatest PM in canadian history, got it just right.....he seems to do a lot of that for a guy with a 'hidden agenda".....fucking silly leftards
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on December 08, 2012, 05:44:20 PM
This is just horrible for Canada. China will not be happy until they own this country lock, stock and barrel.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on December 09, 2012, 04:57:56 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Romero"I don't think so either. There's nothing wrong with foreign investment and ownership, but this is basically selling off our companies and resources to foreign governments. Where's the free market capitalism? State-owned companies are socialist.



We privatized successful and profitable Petro-Canada only to end up giving a helping hand to these foreign, socialist, nationalized government-owned enterprises. Hey, let's just bring Petro-Can back and we'll let it start buying up their stuff.



People will say that we need the money and jobs. Well, Canada is more than capable of making even more money and jobs with our resources. Our oil is like gold right now and it's only becoming more precious. We should be calling the shots and we should be reaping the benefits.

We need $600 billion of investment in the oilsands and we are not going to raise that domestically. Hence, foreign investment.


sorry SL.......you were out by a zero.....but your premise is right...we need massive amounts of foreign capital to develop canada's main growth engine for the next 50 years...the Nexen deal is peanuts.....
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2012, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"once again, Stephan Harper, the greatest PM in canadian history, got it just right.....he seems to do a lot of that for a guy with a 'hidden agenda".....fucking silly leftards

I don't trust China, so I am opposed to the sale of Nexen to CNOOC.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on December 10, 2012, 05:55:35 PM
I think we all knew this decision was coming, but we should still show our outrage.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 19, 2012, 10:08:21 AM
If one reads the book   Gold Warriors  by Sterling Seagrave  it details how Japan actually was able to keep the gold that it looted in war of liberation Japan had to pay off the Americans with billions of dollars and with the help of the Americans it was able to bullshiite the world into believing that Japan was broke and the Americans had an ally against communism and billions to use for black projects. There are other books covering this topic but that is the one that I read. Japan had to endure a three year occupation and then they got to enjoy the spoils of their robberies boosting their economy into being the second largest in the world for decades and they didn't even have to pay any war reparations.[ though admittedly the under the table deal with the Americans was a massive reparation payment ]



     It is also interesting that all over China Japan had study groups that were actually on the sly searching for where the wealth was much like all over Canada now China has restaraunts,stores etc... in every town no matter how remote keeping the towns under surveillance. China is doing this all over the world as well.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2012, 02:07:22 PM
^^Do you have any thoughts of your own or do you only know how to plagiarize from the 3 or 4 books you've read?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 19, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
Here's a thought of my own Seoulfag,      STFU and go back to the gaybar you came from
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2012, 09:32:20 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/20/wrd-china-tibet-self-immolation.html

People setting fire to themselves in Tibet has become an almost daily occurrence, a dire form of protest against what many in the autonomous territory call an oppressive Chinese influence.

 

In this video report, CBC News Beijing correspondent Catherine Mercier travelled undercover into the picturesque Himalayan, and mainly Buddhist, area which borders with China to the north. The disputed traditional Tibetan homeland stretches 2.5 million square kilometres and has been claimed by the Chinese for centuries.

 

According to advocacy groups, since 2009 almost a hundred people have set themselves on fire in protest of the Chinese administration in Tibet, and are reported to have government informants heavily monitoring monasteries.

 

The rate of people choosing self-immolation was almost daily last month. The Chinese government blames the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibet's government-in-exile in India.

 

The Tibetan government has denied any claims of its involvement, saying the Chinese forced the confessions.



In a monastery where self-immolation had occurred, Mercier spoke to several people who agreed only to speak off camera, saying they would continue to protest. Punishment for anyone caught denouncing the Chinese can be severe.

 

Reports say that monks are being forced into re-education sessions where they must pledge loyalty to the Communist Party. Mandarin has also crept its way into the school system in place of the Tibetan language.



But the people of Tibet are resistant to the changes, fighting to preserve their culture, and willing to sacrifice their lives to do it.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on December 20, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
It's just terrible. And the Chinese government is totally getting away with it.



"The Chinese government blames the Dalai Lama..."



Oh sure, there's no way it could China's oppression of the Tibetan people and the destruction of their culture.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2012, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: "Romero"It's just terrible. And the Chinese government is totally getting away with it.



"The Chinese government blames the Dalai Lama..."



Oh sure, there's no way it could China's oppression of the Tibetan people and the destruction of their culture.

China claims to have "liberated" Tibet from serfdom..



They want to "liberate" Taiwan next.

 :?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on December 22, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/20/wrd-china-tibet-self-immolation.html

People setting fire to themselves in Tibet has become an almost daily occurrence, a dire form of protest against what many in the autonomous territory call an oppressive Chinese influence.

 

In this video report, CBC News Beijing correspondent Catherine Mercier travelled undercover into the picturesque Himalayan, and mainly Buddhist, area which borders with China to the north. The disputed traditional Tibetan homeland stretches 2.5 million square kilometres and has been claimed by the Chinese for centuries.

 

According to advocacy groups, since 2009 almost a hundred people have set themselves on fire in protest of the Chinese administration in Tibet, and are reported to have government informants heavily monitoring monasteries.

 

The rate of people choosing self-immolation was almost daily last month. The Chinese government blames the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibet's government-in-exile in India.

 

The Tibetan government has denied any claims of its involvement, saying the Chinese forced the confessions.



In a monastery where self-immolation had occurred, Mercier spoke to several people who agreed only to speak off camera, saying they would continue to protest. Punishment for anyone caught denouncing the Chinese can be severe.

 

Reports say that monks are being forced into re-education sessions where they must pledge loyalty to the Communist Party. Mandarin has also crept its way into the school system in place of the Tibetan language.



But the people of Tibet are resistant to the changes, fighting to preserve their culture, and willing to sacrifice their lives to do it.

You will see this in Canada too once the fifth columnists here sell us out to the commies.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on December 22, 2012, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Romero"It's just terrible. And the Chinese government is totally getting away with it.



"The Chinese government blames the Dalai Lama..."



Oh sure, there's no way it could China's oppression of the Tibetan people and the destruction of their culture.

China claims to have "liberated" Tibet from serfdom..



They want to "liberate" Taiwan next.

 :?




the way it looks..they want to liberate JAPAN next.....i hope they leave Roppongi alone....i love that place
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on December 22, 2012, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
China claims to have "liberated" Tibet from serfdom..



They want to "liberate" Taiwan next.

 :?




the way it looks..they want to liberate JAPAN next.....i hope they leave Roppongi alone....i love that place

I have been to Rappongi Mr Obvious Li. Care to explain to the uninformed why you love it sooooo much???




OMG where to begin.....if you have been there then you know it is impossible to describe from a guys point of view (as in no one would believe you)......i have also spent a few evenings in Ginza....it is a lot more expensive....more formal and by invitation only for round eyes......just thinking about my times in Japan takes my breath away......

This is me in Roppongi..........[attachment=0]r7p3k4.jpg[/attachment]
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on December 22, 2012, 08:49:47 PM
lol..what you cannot see (by design) are my companions to the right and left......oh the memories
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Obvious Li on December 22, 2012, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"lol..what you cannot see (by design) are my companions to the right and left......oh the memories

I am not a man, but I do understand SEX trust me.




yes to be sure.....i suspect you are somewhat more enlightened then my wife.....who is a searcher and a checker and a hunter and a looker......... :D
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: heinzy on December 23, 2012, 04:47:13 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"......


China's involvement , oppression and interference in and with a sovereign Tibet,  renders it vulnerable to the accusation of breaking a slew of International Laws,  incl. the Charter of the U.N. . The fact, that China, a UNSC P5 member, keeps on doing that with impunity, is just an other demonstration for the redundancy , impotence and structural failings of the U.N.O. which is so much driven by quid pro quos .
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: heinzy on December 23, 2012, 05:08:23 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
We need $60 billion of investment in the oilsands and we are not going to raise that domestically. Hence, foreign investment.


True.

Title to the resources in,on and above Canadian soil remains naturally with the Crown.

The right to harvest and possibly to market the harvested products has been assigned by the Crown to a foreign country.

This method of economic development has been practiced all over the world since over a hundred years. Canada simply does not have the financial muscle to do it alone ; furthermore , the opening and development and most of all guarding and protecting her northern territories - as large as entire Europe with only a handful people in it - will cost hundreds of billions ....paid with...royalties etc.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"lol..what you cannot see (by design) are my companions to the right and left......oh the memories

The best part you leave out.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 24, 2012, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"lol..what you cannot see (by design) are my companions to the right and left......oh the memories

The best part you leave out.

You want to see their brothers Seoulfag.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on December 24, 2012, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"As far as that goes, the UN does not consider the Republic of China sovereign either.

Yes it does. China is a full member and is a permanent member of the Security Council.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on December 24, 2012, 05:05:57 PM
Ah, I see. That explains why they don't recognize it.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on December 26, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Shen Li"As far as that goes, the UN does not consider the Republic of China sovereign either.

Yes it does. China is a full member and is a permanent member of the Security Council.


  Romero is always clueless, at least he is consistant :lol:
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on December 28, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
Rich Chinese want to emigrate as their government restricts the internet even further. We can expect even more fen qing arriving on our shores in the near future. Fifth columinists turning Canada into a vassal state of China. When people like Richard Fadden try exposing this treason from both within and sabotage from abroad they are silenced.
Title: Smuggled Plea for Help
Post by: Gary Oak on December 28, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/12/halloween_decorations_carry_ha.html



    Slavery operations have always existed in China and now and again still places are being found using forced slave labour
Title: Re: Smuggled Plea for Help
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2012, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/12/halloween_decorations_carry_ha.html



    Slavery operations have always existed in China and now and again still places are being found using forced slave labour

I have heard that Gary..



It's illegal, but China does not have the rule of law yet.
Title: Fake Chinese Medicine for Africa
Post by: Gary Oak on December 28, 2012, 08:31:38 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/28/china-rejects-fake-medicine-africa



   There has to be better ways to earn money than making fake medicines.This must sometimes be life threatening...   This is very FAN QING FU MING.   African nations allow them to come in and then they do this. This could almost be considered murder in cases involving fake medicines that are needed to save a life/lives
Title: Re: Fake Chinese Medicine for Africa
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2012, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: "Gary Oak"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/28/china-rejects-fake-medicine-africa



   There has to be better ways to earn money than making fake medicines.This must sometimes be life threatening...   This is very FAN QING FU MING.   African nations allow them to come in and then they do this. This could almost be considered murder in cases involving fake medicines that are needed to save a life/lives

That is so sad for the people of Africa, but that continent is very corrupt.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on December 30, 2012, 03:30:04 PM
QuoteChina requires Internet users to register names



China's government tightened Internet controls Friday with approval of a law that requires users to register their names after a flood of online complaints about official abuses rattled Communist Party leaders.



Authorities say the law will strengthen protections for personal information. But it also is likely to curtail the Internet's status as a forum to complain about the government or publicize corruption.



"Their intention is very clear: It is to take back that bit of space for public opinion, that freedom of speech hundreds of millions of Chinese Internet users have strived for," said Murong Xuecun, a prominent Chinese writer.



The rules approved by China's national legislature highlight the chronic tension between the ruling Communist Party's desire to reap technology's benefits and its insistence on controlling information.



Beijing encourages Web use for business and education but tries to block material deemed subversive or obscene. It has steadily stepped up censorship, especially after social media played a role in protests that brought down governments in Egypt and Tunisia.



The latest measure requires users to provide their real names and other identifying information when they register with access providers or post information publicly.



The government has given no indication how it will deal with the technical challenge of registering the more than 500 million Chinese who use the Internet.



//http://news.yahoo.com/china-requires-internet-users-register-names-141101231--finance.html

They can try but they will ultimately fail.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Romero on December 30, 2012, 03:53:04 PM
There's that good ol' British influence again!
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on January 08, 2013, 06:50:38 PM
China will reform its controversial system of forced labor camps this year, state media reported on Monday, which would mark a first step toward legal reform promised by new Communist Party chief Xi Jinping.

 

China's "re-education through labor" system, in place since 1957, empowers police to sentence petty criminals to up to four years' confinement without going through the courts, a system that critics say undermines the rule of law and is used against political activists.



The announcement by state news agency Xinhua contradicted earlier media reports that cited domestic security head Meng Jianzhu as saying China would scrap the system. Those reports were removed from media websites without an explanation.



"The Chinese government will this year push the reform of its controversial re-education through labor system, according to a national political and legal work conference on Monday," Xinhua reported.



State broadcaster CCTV had said earlier on its microblog site, citing the party's newly appointed Political and Legal Affairs Committee head, Meng, as saying: "Use of the re-education through labor system will end this year, after approval from the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress."



The National People's Congress refers to China's largely rubberstamp parliament session held annually in March.



The Justice Ministry did not respond to a faxed inquiry by Reuters.



The labor camp system has come under fire from intellectuals, rights lawyers and activists, and even state media.



"If it can be abolished this year, I think it's an extremely important step toward rule of law," He Weifang, a law professor at Peking University, told Reuters.



"XI MEANS BUSINESS"



China has 350 labor camps throughout the country, housing about 160,000 inmates, according to Xinhua, which cited the bureau of "re-education through labor" under the Ministry of Justice.



Nicholas Bequelin, a researcher at Human Rights Watch, a New York-based advocacy group, said there has been a precedent for a new leadership to take a symbolic step of reforming problematic systems.



"It has been my sense that Xi Jinping means business and that there would be a departure from the caretaking years of Hu and Wen," he said, referring to outgoing President Hu Jintao and outgoing Premier Wen Jiabao.



But Bequelin cautioned that reform, rather than the outright abolishment of the system, may only mean procedural improvements such as "a somewhat milder form of administrative detention".



He said a system could be introduced with some procedural protection, such as a hearing and the ability of a defendant to get legal counsel.



State media has taken up the case of people it believes have suffered miscarriages of justice under the system such as Ren Jianyu, a village official sentenced to a labor camp after he criticized the government.



Media also rallied to the defense of Tang Hui, a woman who was sent to a labor camp in August for demanding that the men who had raped her daughter be given harsher punishment. She was later released.



Whether China reforms the system hinges on the power of security agencies, which are responsible for reining in social unrest that threatens the party's efforts to maintain stability.



Meng, also public security minister, took over as head of the body that oversees law-and-order policy after November's party congress from Zhou Yongkang, who critics say had accumulated too much power.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/07/us-china-camps-idUSBRE90609S20130107



This is a rather meaningless gesture. Arbitrary arrest and detention will not end. These are tools required to keep a despotic regime in power.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2013, 09:02:05 AM
China's "re-education through labor" system, in place since 1957, empowers police to sentence petty criminals to up to four years' confinement without going through the courts, a system that critics say undermines the rule of law and is used against political activists.



Who are some of these petty criminals? Whistleblowers
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Gary Oak on January 09, 2013, 09:35:14 AM
I knew a scholar who had to go learn from the peasants   [ meaning live like a peasant and do peasant work....actually of course punishment ]
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Laughing Out Loud on March 14, 2013, 06:13:22 PM
By Rod Nickel

    March 13 (Reuters) - Canada's Cameco Corp has begun

shipping uranium concentrate to China, the company said, tapping

into what could become a lucrative market for years to come.

    Saskatchewan-based Cameco signed an agreement in 2010 to

supply China Nuclear Energy Industry Corp, a unit of China

National Nuclear Corp, with 23 million pounds of uranium

concentrate through 2020. The same year, it also signed a deal

to supply China Guangdong Nuclear Power Holding Co Ltd with 29

million pounds of uranium concentrate through 2025.

    Cameco has made shipments under both deals, with more

deliveries to come later this year, company spokesman Rob

Gereghty said on Wednesday.

    Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall told reporters on Tuesday the

Canadian and Chinese governments have an agreement on nuclear

cooperation. That pact ensures monitoring to verify that

Canadian uranium is used for civilian purposes, such as

generating power.

    "Basically, every hurdle has been cleared," Wall said, in

comments to reporters that were recorded by his office.

    The uranium deal with CNNC is worth C$1 billion ($971

million) at current prices, and could lead to mine expansions in

Saskatchewan, Wall said.

    Prior to the most recent supply deals, Cameco has delivered

to China uranium hexafluoride (UF6), a chemical compound of

uranium, and finished fuel bundles, Gereghty said.

    The company's shares were down nearly 2 percent in afternoon

trading in New York and Toronto.

    CNNC is China's largest generator of nuclear power, while

Canada is the world's second-biggest uranium producer, after

Kazakhstan. A CNNC delegation visited Saskatchewan on Tuesday.

    Wall said uranium mining will be a theme in Saskatchewan's

2013-14 budget, which his Saskatchewan Party government will

unveil next Wednesday.




China's take-over of Canada continues with Chinese-Canadians working as agents for the "motherland".
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2013, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: "Lotus Leaf"By Rod Nickel

    March 13 (Reuters) - Canada's Cameco Corp has begun

shipping uranium concentrate to China, the company said, tapping

into what could become a lucrative market for years to come.

    Saskatchewan-based Cameco signed an agreement in 2010 to

supply China Nuclear Energy Industry Corp, a unit of China

National Nuclear Corp, with 23 million pounds of uranium

concentrate through 2020. The same year, it also signed a deal

to supply China Guangdong Nuclear Power Holding Co Ltd with 29

million pounds of uranium concentrate through 2025.

    Cameco has made shipments under both deals, with more

deliveries to come later this year, company spokesman Rob

Gereghty said on Wednesday.

    Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall told reporters on Tuesday the

Canadian and Chinese governments have an agreement on nuclear

cooperation. That pact ensures monitoring to verify that

Canadian uranium is used for civilian purposes, such as

generating power.

    "Basically, every hurdle has been cleared," Wall said, in

comments to reporters that were recorded by his office.

    The uranium deal with CNNC is worth C$1 billion ($971

million) at current prices, and could lead to mine expansions in

Saskatchewan, Wall said.

    Prior to the most recent supply deals, Cameco has delivered

to China uranium hexafluoride (UF6), a chemical compound of

uranium, and finished fuel bundles, Gereghty said.

    The company's shares were down nearly 2 percent in afternoon

trading in New York and Toronto.

    CNNC is China's largest generator of nuclear power, while

Canada is the world's second-biggest uranium producer, after

Kazakhstan. A CNNC delegation visited Saskatchewan on Tuesday.

    Wall said uranium mining will be a theme in Saskatchewan's

2013-14 budget, which his Saskatchewan Party government will

unveil next Wednesday.




China's take-over of Canada continues with Chinese-Canadians working as agents for the "motherland".

I am concerned about China's control of key resources too, but it is unfair to blame Chinese in Canada for this problem.
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2013, 01:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Lotus Leaf"By Rod Nickel

    March 13 (Reuters) - Canada's Cameco Corp has begun

shipping uranium concentrate to China, the company said, tapping

into what could become a lucrative market for years to come.

    Saskatchewan-based Cameco signed an agreement in 2010 to

supply China Nuclear Energy Industry Corp, a unit of China

National Nuclear Corp, with 23 million pounds of uranium

concentrate through 2020. The same year, it also signed a deal

to supply China Guangdong Nuclear Power Holding Co Ltd with 29

million pounds of uranium concentrate through 2025.

    Cameco has made shipments under both deals, with more

deliveries to come later this year, company spokesman Rob

Gereghty said on Wednesday.

    Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall told reporters on Tuesday the

Canadian and Chinese governments have an agreement on nuclear

cooperation. That pact ensures monitoring to verify that

Canadian uranium is used for civilian purposes, such as

generating power.

    "Basically, every hurdle has been cleared," Wall said, in

comments to reporters that were recorded by his office.

    The uranium deal with CNNC is worth C$1 billion ($971

million) at current prices, and could lead to mine expansions in

Saskatchewan, Wall said.

    Prior to the most recent supply deals, Cameco has delivered

to China uranium hexafluoride (UF6), a chemical compound of

uranium, and finished fuel bundles, Gereghty said.

    The company's shares were down nearly 2 percent in afternoon

trading in New York and Toronto.

    CNNC is China's largest generator of nuclear power, while

Canada is the world's second-biggest uranium producer, after

Kazakhstan. A CNNC delegation visited Saskatchewan on Tuesday.

    Wall said uranium mining will be a theme in Saskatchewan's

2013-14 budget, which his Saskatchewan Party government will

unveil next Wednesday.




China's take-over of Canada continues with Chinese-Canadians working as agents for the "motherland".

You mean there is more than one person as paranoid as Gary Oak :shock: ? Hey, do you act like an asshole in Chinese owned cooffee shops?
Title: Re: China'BOXED
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2013, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Lotus Leaf"By Rod Nickel

    March 13 (Reuters) - Canada's Cameco Corp has begun

shipping uranium concentrate to China, the company said, tapping

into what could become a lucrative market for years to come.

    Saskatchewan-based Cameco signed an agreement in 2010 to

supply China Nuclear Energy Industry Corp, a unit of China

National Nuclear Corp, with 23 million pounds of uranium

concentrate through 2020. The same year, it also signed a deal

to supply China Guangdong Nuclear Power Holding Co Ltd with 29

million pounds of uranium concentrate through 2025.

    Cameco has made shipments under both deals, with more

deliveries to come later this year, company spokesman Rob

Gereghty said on Wednesday.

    Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall told reporters on Tuesday the

Canadian and Chinese governments have an agreement on nuclear

cooperation. That pact ensures monitoring to verify that

Canadian uranium is used for civilian purposes, such as

generating power.

    "Basically, every hurdle has been cleared," Wall said, in

comments to reporters that were recorded by his office.

    The uranium deal with CNNC is worth C$1 billion ($971

million) at current prices, and could lead to mine expansions in

Saskatchewan, Wall said.

    Prior to the most recent supply deals, Cameco has delivered

to China uranium hexafluoride (UF6), a chemical compound of

uranium, and finished fuel bundles, Gereghty said.

    The company's shares were down nearly 2 percent in afternoon

trading in New York and Toronto.

    CNNC is China's largest generator of nuclear power, while

Canada is the world's second-biggest uranium producer, after

Kazakhstan. A CNNC delegation visited Saskatchewan on Tuesday.

    Wall said uranium mining will be a theme in Saskatchewan's

2013-14 budget, which his Saskatchewan Party government will

unveil next Wednesday.




China's take-over of Canada continues with Chinese-Canadians working as agents for the "motherland".

Resources that remain in the ground are of no use to anyone. You leftards want your governments to have all kinds of cash, but you want to block wealth producing industries. Fuck off!! :x

I do not trust China and don't want to sell them our resources.