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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: cc on September 24, 2016, 12:38:32 PM

Title: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 24, 2016, 12:38:32 PM
4 women dead at the scene - the injured male also died - 5 in all - bloody awful



Burlington - Small place abt 20 min south of Bellingham



"Appears Hispanic" they said ... [looks more like an Aussie or Irish to me]



With such clear images, it should not take long for someone to identify him



http://komonews.com/news/local/who-is-the-cascade-mall-shooter



Not your typical shooter - this one killed everyone he shot
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on September 24, 2016, 12:46:18 PM
Not Aussie you shit stirrer.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 24, 2016, 12:47:53 PM
moi  :43(2):
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: "Daisy May"4 women dead at the scene - the injured male also died - 5 in all - bloody awful



Burlington - Small place abt 20 min south of Bellingham



"Appears Hispanic" they said ... [looks more like an Aussie or Irish to me]



With such clear images, it should not take long for someone to identify him



http://komonews.com/news/local/who-is-the-cascade-mall-shooter



Not your typical shooter - this one killed everyone he shot

how terrible
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 24, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
It is - used to frequent that area when lived in Bellingham



Some must know him from the images they have and are displaying on TV, internet  and newspapers



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Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2016, 01:11:15 PM
I have been to the airport in Seattle, and camped in Western Washington, but I have never been there.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 24, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
You would have driven through (or alongside) it. It's  between B'ham and Seattle on the I5 ... not far south of B'ham



It's not far. When the dollar was strong, MANY Canadians shopped there. Just under an hour from the border on the I5
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2016, 03:29:16 PM
Quote from: "Daisy May"4 women dead at the scene - the injured male also died - 5 in all - bloody awful



Burlington - Small place abt 20 min south of Bellingham



"Appears Hispanic" they said ... [looks more like an Aussie or Irish to me]



With such clear images, it should not take long for someone to identify him



http://komonews.com/news/local/who-is-the-cascade-mall-shooter



Not your typical shooter - this one killed everyone he shot

At least the shooter is dead too. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 24, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
Not in this one - He is still on the loose
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2016, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: "Daisy May"Not in this one - He is still on the loose

I just glanced at it. I thought the injured male was the shooter. Got ya now ceec.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 24, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
and the male is now dead = 5



The shooter left his gun behind and so far has gotten away
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 24, 2016, 04:09:44 PM
This puts it into perspective relative to the I5



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Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2016, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: "Daisy May"and the male is now dead = 5



The shooter left his gun behind and so far has gotten away

Holy shit.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 25, 2016, 12:21:13 AM
They got him



and he ain't no Hispanic catholic



Seems not jihad, rather jealousy



New Conf @ 930 -



Edit - Further Report:

According to Cetin's Facebook page (//http), he went to Oak Harbor High School, formerly worked as a bagger at Whidbey Island Commissary and still lives in Oak Harbor, Washington. It also states he is from Adana, Turkey and he is single.



Cetin recently had his 20th birthday on August, 20.



A news conference is set for 9:30 p.m. tonight.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 25, 2016, 12:38:15 AM
"Only one  person"



 Wait Wait - he entered mall with no gun (pictures are clear on that) .. then suddenly had a rifle at the Macy cosmetic counter
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 25, 2016, 12:39:14 AM
Maybe this is a Muslim killing for something other than Allah.



if so its a first from what I've seen.



Either way, time to cut off muslim immigration.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 25, 2016, 12:46:36 AM
Not  a first - happens a lot in fact .. tooo much .. daughters, wives, girlfriends etc etc  .. not for allah, but with his clear blessing



Doesn't look like "ideological"  ... seems more "societal" .. assuming reports his gf was a victim are true....



we'll see but when its an islamic, cops are slow with details ... they suddenly get laryngitis for the "protected group"
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on September 25, 2016, 12:56:56 AM
Like that time you sucked my dick all the way down to ya gastric acid cc



she could still talk
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 25, 2016, 01:30:24 AM
So, when you dream, it's big?



 ac_smile
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on September 25, 2016, 01:40:02 AM
You conjured an image didn't ya 555
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 25, 2016, 01:51:17 AM
Quote from: "Daisy May"Not  a first - happens a lot in fact .. tooo much .. daughters, wives, girlfriends etc etc  .. not for allah, but with his clear blessing



Doesn't look like "ideological"  ... seems more "societal" .. assuming reports his gf was a victim are true....



we'll see but when its an islamic, cops are slow with details ... they suddenly get laryngitis for the "protected group"


I meant first, as in shooting with multiple victims by a Muslim that wasn't for allah. Which, before this possible exception, has been about as common as Christmas in the summer :laugh:



Of course IF there is a jihad component we may never know, as political correctness is having a greater chilling effect on people telling the truth on this stuff all the time.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 25, 2016, 01:45:27 PM
Police not ruling out terror motive



Rumors he was after a specific girl may be true but are not established yet



He did shoot and kill 5  ... and with a 22 that would take slow careful aiming



A 16 yr old girl was a cancer survivor but did not survive this animal's attack
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 25, 2016, 09:05:53 PM
According to this (and several other articles) Cetin had posted a pic on Tumbler of the leader of ISIS with the caption "my main dude"  



There's other info on him too, lots of social media, his criminal history etc.



http://emptylighthouse.com/who-arcan-cetin-all-about-alleged-washington-shooter-2071419399
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
The shooter was a naturalized US citizens born in Turkey.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-24/washington-mall-shooter-caught-suspect-allegedly-turkish-origin
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Bricktop on September 25, 2016, 09:11:47 PM
Another muslim massacre...whilst the "innocent" ones scream THEY are the ones being victimised.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2016, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: "Oberon"Another muslim massacre...whilst the "innocent" ones scream THEY are the ones being victimised.

Was Islam the reason for this massacre? Did he shout allu akbar?



He was born in Turkey, but that is all I know so far.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 25, 2016, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Oberon"Another muslim massacre...whilst the "innocent" ones scream THEY are the ones being victimised.

Was Islam the reason for this massacre? Did he shout allu akbar?



He was born in Turkey, but that is all I know so far.


I think Daisy is right.  It's probably actually that he was mad at some girl.  However, with his tumbler picture of the ISIS leader, and as you say born in Turkey, the terrorist angle is still possible IMO.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 26, 2016, 12:50:13 AM
Ya. I'm not ruling it out - but I sense this one may be an islamic woman / infidel hater gone all the way



Which would to me be the same as the other attacks / just another islam attack on the West
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 26, 2016, 08:12:30 AM
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Oberon"Another muslim massacre...whilst the "innocent" ones scream THEY are the ones being victimised.

Was Islam the reason for this massacre? Did he shout allu akbar?



He was born in Turkey, but that is all I know so far.


I think Daisy is right.  It's probably actually that he was mad at some girl.  However, with his tumbler picture of the ISIS leader, and as you say born in Turkey, the terrorist angle is still possible IMO.

I am not ruling out the jihadi angle.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 26, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 26, 2016, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: JOE on September 26, 2016, 11:08:44 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.


Whatever his motive, he should be put to death like they would in his native Turkey.



Or at least put away for life in Guantanamo.



He's an evil soul.



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Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on September 27, 2016, 01:45:17 AM
I'd cut his ears off, poke his eyes out , chop his head off then use his head as a bowling ball.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2016, 07:49:27 AM
Quote from: "GORDY GAMBINO"I'd cut his ears off, poke his eyes out , chop his head off then use his head as a bowling ball.

That may happen in jail.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 27, 2016, 01:23:22 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.


Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2016, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.


Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.

That will never happen. Western governments don't do common sense.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: cc on September 27, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
As to Turkey, it used to be the great (and only) example touted by the "excusers"



That has blown up in their faces now that voters voted Fundy and their leader is using that to make it into a cruel fundy Kaplipha



Turkey has shown  its true colors and turned out to be a real turkey
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2016, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: "Daisy May"As to Turkey, it used to be the great (and only) example touted by the "excusers"



That has blown up in their faces now that voters voted Fundy and their leader is using that to make it into a cruel fundy Kaplipha



Turkey has shown  its true colors and turned out to be a real turkey

I wouldn't Erdogan a fundy. But, he does exploit it in order to strengthen his own rule.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on September 27, 2016, 06:47:36 PM
Quote from: "Daisy May"As to Turkey, it used to be the great (and only) example touted by the "excusers"



That has blown up in their faces now that voters voted Fundy and their leader is using that to make it into a cruel fundy Kaplipha



Turkey has shown  its true colors and turned out to be a real turkey




gobble gobble  :001_tongue:
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 27, 2016, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.


Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.

That will never happen. Western governments don't do common sense.


true, they haven't yet, but if enough of the people who vote get angry about it, they may have to.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.


Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.

That will never happen. Western governments don't do common sense.


true, they haven't yet, but if enough of the people who vote get angry about it, they may have to.

Yeah Right, my father was a democracy fighter back in Taiwan..



He spent his years as a young man trying to force Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek's regime to democratize..



Now my father has less little faith in either Taiwan or Canada's democracies..



He says it's about getting elected not the best interests of the people..



Do you still have faith in elected leaders?



I am not trying to be smart or judge either.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2016, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.


Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.

That will never happen. Western governments don't do common sense.


true, they haven't yet, but if enough of the people who vote get angry about it, they may have to.

The people will be called bigots and Islamophobes by big money assholes.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 28, 2016, 09:02:28 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.

That will never happen. Western governments don't do common sense.


true, they haven't yet, but if enough of the people who vote get angry about it, they may have to.

Yeah Right, my father was a democracy fighter back in Taiwan..



He spent his years as a young man trying to force Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek's regime to democratize..



Now my father has less little faith in either Taiwan or Canada's democracies..



He says it's about getting elected not the best interests of the people..



Do you still have faith in elected leaders?



I am not trying to be smart or judge either.


Kudos to your father he sounds like a courageous person.  



No, I don't have much faith in elected leaders.  I wish we had more direct democracy.  I wish that the people were allowed to vote up or down on muslim immigration on a yearly basis (and other issues).  I trust the people more than I do the political class.   Unfortunately, in representatiove democracies, the best you get is a chance to elect leaders who will hopefully do what you want.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Yeah Right on September 28, 2016, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Daisy May"He did have some IS stuff on his social media and a pic of El Bad Daddy



Ties or not, the common islamic desire to kill non believers is killing for islam / allah not matter how it is worded or spun ... making it no different than any terrorist



Apparently his gf was not a victim ..... she used to work at Macy's cosmetics, but not at that store ... appears just "bad-to-him" people he killed .. if so making it no different than any terror killing

I have no doubt Islamic commands to kill infidels was a motivating factor.


Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.

That will never happen. Western governments don't do common sense.


true, they haven't yet, but if enough of the people who vote get angry about it, they may have to.

The people will be called bigots and Islamophobes by big money assholes.


No doubt.  It happened all through brexit.  People were called racists, nuts, everything the left could throw at them.  But the measure won out.  



Political correctness is mostly an illusion.  If people would stop giving in to it, it would lose a lot of its ability to coerce.
Title: Re: Close to home - 5 shot dead in Burlington WA Mall
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2016, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Yeah Right"Whatever his motive.  If US immigration policy had been sensible, i.e. no one from Muslim coutries like Turkey allowed in.  This would not have happened.



IMO that's why its critical for all western countries to start putting their citizens first and stop letting Muslims in.  Every murder by a future Muslim immigrant is preventable.

That will never happen. Western governments don't do common sense.


true, they haven't yet, but if enough of the people who vote get angry about it, they may have to.

Yeah Right, my father was a democracy fighter back in Taiwan..



He spent his years as a young man trying to force Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek's regime to democratize..



Now my father has less little faith in either Taiwan or Canada's democracies..



He says it's about getting elected not the best interests of the people..



Do you still have faith in elected leaders?



I am not trying to be smart or judge either.


Kudos to your father he sounds like a courageous person.  



No, I don't have much faith in elected leaders.  I wish we had more direct democracy.  I wish that the people were allowed to vote up or down on muslim immigration on a yearly basis (and other issues).  I trust the people more than I do the political class.   Unfortunately, in representatiove democracies, the best you get is a chance to elect leaders who will hopefully do what you want.

I am also a fan of putting as many issues to the people as possible. :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: