For literature...
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/13/entertainment/dylan-songs-history-trnd/index.html
Is this award justified?
Much more so than Obama.
That is a really tough one. Part of me sees it as almost demeaning to Dylan. Part thinks is pretty cool and justified. Like I said, a tough one for me. Got me on this one, can't decide which side of the fence to fall on.
I shooda won for my world famous fucken posts.
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I shooda won for my world famous fucken posts.
I agree...no one is a better peace ambassador than you.
ac_toofunny :roll: ac_lmfao
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For literature...
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/13/entertainment/dylan-songs-history-trnd/index.html
Is this award justified?
Hell no. But, like kiebers posted, Obama did not deserve a Nobel award either.
Regardless of your own political perspective as compared to his, its interesting that a songwriter has been awarded a prize for his contribution to literature, via the medium of music.
Does this open up a whole new vista of Nobel prizes...how about comics?
The Beatles were the heart of the rise of music as a social force, and Dylan its soul. But is it literature?
Perhaps they would have been better to offer a Nobel Prize for Art.
Well, the entire Nobel thing is a ultra-prog heaven crapper .. a bunch of inbred elitist dolts ... dolts, with serious agenda similar to the EU govt. and UN inbred elitist dolts.
They chose people based on what serves their agenda ... an agenda that is light years away from the minds yer regular folk who actually do real things and make the real world run
The world has not had 1 fucken day of piece since the end of WW2.
The UN has 1 job to do and has no balls.
Someone should bomb them.
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For literature...
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/13/entertainment/dylan-songs-history-trnd/index.html
Is this award justified?
Although Bob Dylan (Zimmerman) wrote some great songs/poetery, he has written just one book.
His rival/contemporary,Canadian Leonard Cohen, is a Poet/Author with critically acclaimed works which have been reviewed and housed in the best universities in the world.

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Dylan...1 book...Cohen...dozens of novels and poetry anthologies.
Cohen has also sold millions of books and CDs/Records.
He is possibly the greatest novellist/literary talent Canada has ever produced.
Certainly one of the best North America has in modern times.
I think Cohen was better rounded than Dylan and was a better fit for the definition of a literary specialist.
Bob Dylan is not really a writer of serious literature.
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Well, the entire Nobel thing is a ultra-prog heaven crapper .. a bunch of inbred elitist dolts ... dolts, with serious agenda similar to the EU govt. and UN inbred elitist dolts.
They chose people based on what serves their agenda ... an agenda that is light years away from the minds yer regular folk who actually do real things and make the real world run
This post proves you are a Zionist. :laugh3:
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Well, the entire Nobel thing is a ultra-prog heaven crapper .. a bunch of inbred elitist dolts ... dolts, with serious agenda similar to the EU govt. and UN inbred elitist dolts.
They chose people based on what serves their agenda ... an agenda that is light years away from the minds yer regular folk who actually do real things and make the real world run
This post proves you are a Zionist. :laugh3:
I am in favour of Syrian refugee resettlement in Canada, maybe SCOUSE thinks I am a Taiwanese Jew..
After all, Chiang Kai Shek gave aid to European Jews fleeing persecution in Europe.
WTF has this to do with Dylan's Nobel prize???
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Well, the entire Nobel thing is a ultra-prog heaven crapper .. a bunch of inbred elitist dolts ... dolts, with serious agenda similar to the EU govt. and UN inbred elitist dolts.
They chose people based on what serves their agenda ... an agenda that is light years away from the minds yer regular folk who actually do real things and make the real world run
This post proves you are a Zionist. :laugh3:
Didn't outsmart you, eh?
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WTF has this to do with Dylan's Nobel prize???
Absolutely Nothing. But how much more is there to say on such a thing?
The answer my friend
Is blowing up her arse
The answer is blowing up her arse
Right wheres me fucken Nobels ??
pretty clever
for a roo fooker
ac_smile
And heres me sayen oh sorry anyone can get the wrong hole
or whoops I slipped
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WTF has this to do with Dylan's Nobel prize???
Absolutely Nothing. But how much more is there to say on such a thing?
Well, I know that its a distraction for the far more compelling discussions on extremism (yawn) or islam (yawn).
However, being given the Nobel prize, it implies that Dylan had a profound and lasting impact on the world as we know it, and even now shapes YOUR attitude and behaviour, thoughts and persective.
Music, circa 1960 to 1980 had a lasting and indelible impact on society and our culture, particularly in the West. Music became the blitzkreig of a generation that demanded change from the status quo; imperialism, conformity, total subjugation to government and its bureaucracy, and obesiance.
Who you are now, what you believe, how you articulate those beliefs and why can all be in some way attributed to the impact of popular music of that period.
Thus, does the absence of a popular cultural movement in the modern age make us weaker and more vulnerable to Government excess?
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Quote from: "Daisy May"
Well, the entire Nobel thing is a ultra-prog heaven crapper .. a bunch of inbred elitist dolts ... dolts, with serious agenda similar to the EU govt. and UN inbred elitist dolts.
They chose people based on what serves their agenda ... an agenda that is light years away from the minds yer regular folk who actually do real things and make the real world run
This post proves you are a Zionist. :laugh3:
Ha. I'm stoked he received the reward. Nothing more.
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WTF has this to do with Dylan's Nobel prize???
Absolutely Nothing. But how much more is there to say on such a thing?
Well, I know that its a distraction for the far more compelling discussions on extremism (yawn) or islam (yawn).
However, being given the Nobel prize, it implies that Dylan had a profound and lasting impact on the world as we know it, and even now shapes YOUR attitude and behaviour, thoughts and persective.
Music, circa 1960 to 1980 had a lasting and indelible impact on society and our culture, particularly in the West. Music became the blitzkreig of a generation that demanded change from the status quo; imperialism, conformity, total subjugation to government and its bureaucracy, and obesiance.
Who you are now, what you believe, how you articulate those beliefs and why can all be in some way attributed to the impact of popular music of that period.
Thus, does the absence of a popular cultural movement in the modern age make us weaker and more vulnerable to Government excess?
There is no popular cultural movement today?
There are plenty of artists who would disagree with you..
But, anyway the change of that era came before the artist..
The artists merely capitalized on the winds of change and therefore not deserving of credit for the movement of that time.
There is always popular culture. Always has been, always will be. Totalitarian states even use it to their advantage by censorship and imposing strict guidelines.
However, the movement of the 60's, driven by music, was a profound and momentous turn in human cultural history. Perhaps unique, even.
It was driven by the youth of the West. People under thirty need not have applied. It was a counter-culture event, in that it challenged the prevailing cultural standards, such as fashion, language, conformity and obeisance, and freedom of speech. However, it was the first time in human history that the spear tip was popular music driven by working class performers and supported by youth all over the world.
Cultural movement in this era seems more entrenched in technology. Facebook, Playstation, Twitter, global television networks and of course a level of communication never before experienced.
In 1968, to say you were a big supporter of Apple implied that you were a Beatles fan. Now it defines your phone and technological preference.
I still think the Nobel committee erred by awarding the Nobel Prize to Bob Dylan, Leopardsocks. Outside of his music poetry, Bob Dylan has not produced a notable literary work. He should not be considered as a serious author.
Perhaps Nobel should create another category under popular entertainment. This would not diminish the significance of the award, but place the recipient in a category where they more appropriately belong.
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There is always popular culture. Always has been, always will be. Totalitarian states even use it to their advantage by censorship and imposing strict guidelines.
However, the movement of the 60's, driven by music, was a profound and momentous turn in human cultural history. Perhaps unique, even.
It was driven by the youth of the West. People under thirty need not have applied. It was a counter-culture event, in that it challenged the prevailing cultural standards, such as fashion, language, conformity and obeisance, and freedom of speech. However, it was the first time in human history that the spear tip was popular music driven by working class performers and supported by youth all over the world.
Cultural movement in this era seems more entrenched in technology. Facebook, Playstation, Twitter, global television networks and of course a level of communication never before experienced.
In 1968, to say you were a big supporter of Apple implied that you were a Beatles fan. Now it defines your phone and technological preference.
Totalitarian states decide who the popular artists will be..
The music of the sixties reflected the changing culture of the time.
No, I disagree with respect.
And I was THERE, Fash.
The music was the driving force.
No drugs was.
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No, I disagree with respect.
And I was THERE, Fash.
The music was the driving force.
Well, she's partially right, LS.
In fact I'd say she's mostly right.
Actually, all those new musical sounds which appeared in the late 60s early 70s owe much of their success to technology and the electronic medium. Otherwise thered haved been no Jimi Hendrix, acid rock, stairway to heaven, dark side of the moon or woodstock.
Thanks to nikola tesla and his alternating current machines disguised as electronic guitars and instruments. He was light years ahead of his time and his genius a half a century before would make possuble and spawn the rock music revoltion
We're talking culture, Joe, not technology.
There is a substantial difference.
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But, anyway the change of that era came before the artist..
The artists merely capitalized on the winds of change and therefore not deserving of credit for the movement of that time.
I haven't give it much thought, but of course there would have been copycats for sure who jumped on the counter culture bandwagon.
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We're talking culture, Joe, not technology.
There is a substantial difference.
Music was prominent around that time and influenced the youth of that era. The expression of the Youth gained precdedence while the wisdom of elders was supplanted. The social hierarchical pyramid became inverted, turned upside down
But the music was also influenced by external factors as well. Technology being one of them. 4 guys on a stage playing before 100,000 people or more replaced Tommy Dorsey's Big Band of 40 musicians playing in a confined radio studio of your father's time just 20 years before.
And not all the performers came from working class backgrounds. The Beatles certainly did, but Mick Jagger was from a well off family and he attended the London School of Economics. Jim Morrison of the Doors came from an established military family & his dad was an Admiral in the US Navy. So some were evidently the kids of privilege.
True enough...but the popularity of the music was very much focussed on working class people.
It was anti-cultural, in the sense that it overturned the conventions of the previous generations; opera, classic, middle of the road crooners. Pop music was a working class phenomenon in its early days, despite some of its purveyors being "posh" as you have stated. Jagger may have come from a upper class background, but the Stones were regarded as unrefined, scruffy and repulsive to that class.
Playing live was not reliant on technology. Musicians have been doing live gigs for thousands of years. Amplified music was not an innovation of the 60's. Vocalists had been using microphones and PA systems for decades.
What tore the heart out of the established musical scene was guitars as the primary instrument. Guitars could be played loud and were limited only by the power of the amplifiers. Neither of these items were new. But guitar players developed louder and wilder techniques. Brass and strings were largely abandoned, especially for live events, and volume was the new god.
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What tore the heart out of the established musical scene was guitars as the primary instrument. Guitars could be played loud and were limited only by the power of the amplifiers. Neither of these items were new. But guitar players developed louder and wilder techniques. Brass and strings were largely abandoned, especially for live events, and volume was the new god.
I thought this guy was the precursor to the above you've mentioned.
...dick dale almost used his guitar like a weapon to hack through his audiences. If you grow his hair out, give him a funkier costume, add more blues notes, you have acid rock. He may be considered a major influence. He was really quite ahead of his time because he didn't just use it as background instrumental, but as the primary instrument. I think the future rock stars borrowed from him, took his idea and refined it for the purposes further.
Quote from: "Oberon"
True enough...but the popularity of the music was very much focussed on working class people.
It was anti-cultural, in the sense that it overturned the conventions of the previous generations; opera, classic, middle of the road crooners. Pop music was a working class phenomenon in its early days, despite some of its purveyors being "posh" as you have stated. Jagger may have come from a upper class background, but the Stones were regarded as unrefined, scruffy and repulsive to that class.
Playing live was not reliant on technology. Musicians have been doing live gigs for thousands of years. Amplified music was not an innovation of the 60's. Vocalists had been using microphones and PA systems for decades.
What tore the heart out of the established musical scene was guitars as the primary instrument. Guitars could be played loud and were limited only by the power of the amplifiers. Neither of these items were new. But guitar players developed louder and wilder techniques. Brass and strings were largely abandoned, especially for live events, and volume was the new god.
That was the biggest change.
He sparked change. Like the change or not? I'm glad he won the award.
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He sparked change. Like the change or not? I'm glad he won the award.
I think there are more deserving people than Bob Dylan, but I don't care either who receives Nobel awards.
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He sparked change. Like the change or not? I'm glad he won the award.
I think there are more deserving people than Bob Dylan, but I don't care either who receives Nobel awards.
Maybe there were. Regarding Bob Dylan. In the late 50s and into the 70s the US was a fairly racist country. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, anyone different was looked down upon. It's true. Bob Dylan called attention, along with many other ills in his songs, poetry, etc. I believe this changed a lot for the good in Merica.
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Much more so than Obama.
What a fucking joke that was. I wonder how long it will be before True Dope wins one of these cereal box prizes.
... BOB DYLAN shouldn't win this award. he isn't a literary figure. he's a musician, not an author ...
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... BOB DYLAN shouldn't win this award. he isn't a literary figure. he's a musician, not an author ...
He's not even a good fucking musician.
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... BOB DYLAN shouldn't win this award. he isn't a literary figure. he's a musician, not an author ...
But isn't music literature you listen to?
... didn't OBAMA get awarded the nobel PEACE prize? the guy who uses drones to assassinate people in foreign countries and bombs hospitals? if that doesn't destroy the credibility of the award nothing will ...
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... didn't OBAMA get awarded the nobel PEACE prize? the guy who uses drones to assassinate people in foreign countries and bombs hospitals? if that doesn't destroy the credibility of the award nothing will ...
Hello the shark hunter, it's so nice to see you here again.
ac_hithere
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... didn't OBAMA get awarded the nobel PEACE prize? the guy who uses drones to assassinate people in foreign countries and bombs hospitals? if that doesn't destroy the credibility of the award nothing will ...
Hello the shark hunter, it's so nice to see you here again.
ac_hithere
... thank you beautiful lady of Alberta! ac_smile
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... didn't OBAMA get awarded the nobel PEACE prize?
Yes, he did. What a joke.
Nobel awards no longer have the prestige they once did. Obama winning the peace prize was a joke.
Bob Dylan himself was likely more surprised than anyone by this announcement.
Good point...although recipients are advised that they are on a short list, and if they prefer not to be granted the award they can advise the committee to remove their names from consideration.
Fuck Nobel and fuck that muslime fucking shithole Sweden.
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
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He sparked change. Like the change or not? I'm glad he won the award.
I think there are more deserving people than Bob Dylan, but I don't care either who receives Nobel awards.
Maybe there were. Regarding Bob Dylan. In the late 50s and into the 70s the US was a fairly racist country. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, anyone different was looked down upon. It's true. Bob Dylan called attention, along with many other ills in his songs, poetry, etc. I believe this changed a lot for the good in Merica.
Not sure why you folks here refuse to acknowledge this fact. Maybe some never had to experience real discrimination and racsism like in the 1950s and 60s? Remember my family on a driving trip to Los Angles, before the Watts riots. Late 50s most bars, restaurants, some retail businesses had seperate enterences for people of color. Look at the stigma attached to all Asians during and after WW2? Maybe these things are forgettable you you here. Not to me. Thanks to people like Bob Dylan, and some other not so famous sure did their best to make it better for many. Funny Bob has chosen not to accept the award, as if to say, I only did my part. I believe this 100%
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... didn't OBAMA get awarded the nobel PEACE prize?
Yes, he did. What a joke.
Funny you'd cop this attitude. 25 years ago you would be strung up for being a Gay man in the South. The answer my friend is blowing in the wind. Racism...... BAD.
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Fuck Nobel and fuck that muslime fucking shithole Sweden.
How can I say this in a understanding, nurchering, non racsist way? Go back to where your families came from. Any different than the tac you choose to take regarding Bob Dylan, Obama, and anyone else who tried to make it better in North America for all folks.
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Thiel"
Quote from: "the shark hunter"
... didn't OBAMA get awarded the nobel PEACE prize?
Yes, he did. What a joke.
Funny you'd cop this attitude. 25 years ago you would be strung up for being a Gay man in the South. The answer my friend is blowing in the wind. Racism...... BAD.
I don't think Thiel meant the situation in the USA fifty years ago..
I believe he was only giving an opinion of the artist Bob Dylan.
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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
He sparked change. Like the change or not? I'm glad he won the award.
I think there are more deserving people than Bob Dylan, but I don't care either who receives Nobel awards.
Maybe there were. Regarding Bob Dylan. In the late 50s and into the 70s the US was a fairly racist country. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, anyone different was looked down upon. It's true. Bob Dylan called attention, along with many other ills in his songs, poetry, etc. I believe this changed a lot for the good in Merica.
Not sure why you folks here refuse to acknowledge this fact. Maybe some never had to experience real discrimination and racsism like in the 1950s and 60s? Remember my family on a driving trip to Los Angles, before the Watts riots. Late 50s most bars, restaurants, some retail businesses had seperate enterences for people of color. Look at the stigma attached to all Asians during and after WW2? Maybe these things are forgettable you you here. Not to me. Thanks to people like Bob Dylan, and some other not so famous sure did their best to make it better for many. Funny Bob has chosen not to accept the award, as if to say, I only did my part. I believe this 100%
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
There was a funny parody of the Bob Dylan saga featured in the now defunct National Lampoon publications several years ago.
It was part of an anthology of underground comic book artists and their stories.

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Bob Dylan only got his Nobel Peace prize because of white privilege unlike Barak Obama who has been a great statesman.
Barak Obama who has been a great statesman....yes we whiteys let him be the n1gger puppet and we still have all the money so we're all set to go blacky ?? And you howzit goin my n1ggerz you fucken right or what ya wallet thieving black cunt. Now you behave little a nice porch monkey or I'm gonna have to machine gun yo fucken smelly black ass Holmes. I stab you momma in da ass.
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Bob Dylan only got his Nobel Peace prize because of white privilege unlike Barak Obama who has been a great statesman.
ac_toofunny ac_lmfao
Here's the 2nd National Lampoon Parody of Bob Dylan:

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lol JOE.
That crap is neither sense nor satire.
Who comes up with that incoherent bollocks?
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Here's the 2nd National Lampoon Parody of Bob Dylan:

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Go Bob.
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That crap is neither sense nor satire.
Who comes up with that incoherent bollocks?
Lighten up, it's a cartoon. No need to go Charlie Hebdo.
But it makes no sense.
Quote from: "Oberon"
But it makes no sense.
Oh well, it is a cartoon.
So is "Peanuts", but I can understand that!!!
Joe digs cartoons, and comic books. Worse things exist.
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So is "Peanuts", but I can understand that!!!
Like TD said, Joe likes his comics. That is all I need to know or care to know.