I wish i was young and single again....
By Mary Kay Magistad PRI's The World, Beijing
Over 27? Unmarried? Female? In China, you could be labelled a "leftover woman" by the state - but some professional Chinese women these days are happy being single.
Huang Yuanyuan is working late at her job in a Beijing radio newsroom. She's also stressing out about the fact that the next day, she'll turn 29.
"Scary. I'm one year older," she says. "I'm nervous."
Why?
"Because I'm still single. I have no boyfriend. I'm under big pressure to get married."
Huang is a confident, personable young woman with a good salary, her own apartment, an MA from one of China's top universities, and a wealth of friends.
Still, she knows that these days, single, urban, educated women like her in China are called "sheng nu" or "leftover women" - and it stings.
Huang Yuanyuan (front right) and a fellow "leftover" colleague, Wang Tingting, at their radio station in Beijing Who are you calling "leftover"? Huang Yuanyuan (front) and her colleague Wang Tingting
She feels pressure from her friends and her family, and the message gets hammered in by China's state-run media too.
Even the website of the government's supposedly feminist All-China Women's Federation featured articles about "leftover women" - until enough women complained.
State-run media started using the term "sheng nu" in 2007. That same year the government warned that China's gender imbalance - caused by selective abortions because of the one-child policy - was a serious problem.
National Bureau of Statistics data shows there are now about 20 million more men under 30 than women under 30.
"Ever since 2007, the state media have aggressively disseminated this term in surveys, and news reports, and columns, and cartoons and pictures, basically stigmatising educated women over the age of 27 or 30 who are still single," says Leta Hong-Fincher, an American doing a sociology PhD at Tsinghua University in Beijing.
Census figures for China show that around one in five women aged 25-29 is unmarried.
The proportion of unmarried men that age is higher - over a third. But that doesn't mean they will easily match up, since Chinese men tend to "marry down", both in terms of age and educational attainment.
"There is an opinion that A-quality guys will find B-quality women, B-quality guys will find C-quality women, and C-quality men will find D-quality women," says Huang Yuanyuan. "The people left are A-quality women and D-quality men.
Thank you for posting that article Obvious Li..
The social norms in East Asia would leve many Canadians speechless..
Taiwan's social development is decades ahead of China, but still this pressure for both men and women to get married..
I would assume Korea is like that too?
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The one-child policy I believe was needed at one time, but it should have been scrapped by now. Educated women over the age of 27 are being shamed because of short-sighted government policy.
I am definitely an A-quality woman. The chances of me ever agreeing to meeting a D-quality man for coffee let alone marrying one is about as likely as
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wow..those are pretty big odds.....always thought you were A quality...... nothing less allowed on here......
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The social norms in East Asia would leve many Canadians speechless..
Taiwan's social development is decades ahead of China, but still this pressure for both men and women to get married..
I would assume Korea is like that too?
I have a friend from South Korea who came here in part because of that kind of pressure. Her family insisted that she got a certain education, a certain job... then get married, have kids and become a good housewife right away!
She still loves home but doesn't want to go back because of all the bugging. She much prefers living here as she gets to decide how to live her life.
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The social norms in East Asia would leve many Canadians speechless..
Taiwan's social development is decades ahead of China, but still this pressure for both men and women to get married..
I would assume Korea is like that too?
I have a friend from South Korea who came here in part because of that kind of pressure. Her family insisted that she got a certain education, a certain job... then get married, have kids and become a good housewife right away!
She still loves home but doesn't want to go back because of all the bugging. She much prefers living here as she gets to decide how to live her life.
I know several people in that same boat. Even for me I am under pressure to get married and have an heir. It's tough because I will be 34 this year and I do want to have a family, but when I am ready.
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The one-child policy I believe was needed at one time, but it should have been scrapped by now. Educated women over the age of 27 are being shamed because of short-sighted government policy.
I am definitely an A-quality woman. The chances of me ever agreeing to meeting a D-quality man for coffee let alone marrying one is about as likely as
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wow..those are pretty big odds.....always thought you were A quality...... nothing less allowed on here......
CC and Fash are exceptional and have been assigned the grade of A++. Azhya Aryola and Pinay I don't know very well, but they seem like upper echelon women. Shen Li has improved to a solid A-.
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The social norms in East Asia would leve many Canadians speechless..
Taiwan's social development is decades ahead of China, but still this pressure for both men and women to get married..
I would assume Korea is like that too?
I have a friend from South Korea who came here in part because of that kind of pressure. Her family insisted that she got a certain education, a certain job... then get married, have kids and become a good housewife right away!
She still loves home but doesn't want to go back because of all the bugging.
I can certainly understand her feelings Romero.
Non-european men seem to be scared of educated women.
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I respectfully disagree with you Odinson..
Educated men in Asia do not prefer uneducated women.
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Educated men in Asia do not prefer uneducated women.
I hear a lot of talk and the fact that europeanwomen have more rights than any other women on the globe.
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Educated men in Asia do not prefer uneducated women.
I hear a lot of talk and the fact that europeanwomen have more rights than any other women on the globe.
Europe and North America are very different from Asian countries though.
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Educated men in Asia do not prefer uneducated women.
I hear a lot of talk and the fact that europeanwomen have more rights than any other women on the globe.
Europe and North America are very different from Asian countries though.
True.
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I hear a lot of talk and the fact that europeanwomen have more rights than any other women on the globe.
Europe and North America are very different from Asian countries though.
True.
All three continents have good and bad points, but I could not imagine living anywhere else than where I am now.
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Europe and North America are very different from Asian countries though.
True.
All three continents have good and bad points, but I could not imagine living anywhere else than where I am now.
I sometimes get pissed at the climate here but home sweet home.
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True.
All three continents have good and bad points, but I could not imagine living anywhere else than where I am now.
I sometimes get pissed at the climate here but home sweet home.
I have to go pick up my husband at the airport now Odinson..
Have a good evening.
:)
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All three continents have good and bad points, but I could not imagine living anywhere else than where I am now.
I sometimes get pissed at the climate here but home sweet home.
I have to go pick up my husband at the airport now Odinson..
Have a good evening.
:)
You have a nice day/night/evening/morning too.
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I sometimes get pissed at the climate here but home sweet home.
I have to go pick up my husband at the airport now Odinson..
Have a good evening.
:)
You have a nice day/night/evening/morning too.
Thank you Odinson, it is so good to have my husband home again.
:)
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I have to go pick up my husband at the airport now Odinson..
Have a good evening.
:)
You have a nice day/night/evening/morning too.
Thank you Odinson, it is so good to have my husband home again.
:)
:)
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You must mean Middle Eastern men.
I hope you wouldn´t mind me being one? :)
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You must mean Middle Eastern men.
I hope you wouldn´t mind me being one? :)
A horny pig in the bedroom is fine by me.
Hmph.
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I hope you wouldn´t mind me being one? :)
A horny pig in the bedroom is fine by me.
Hmph.
Still hmph.
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Hmph.
Still hmph.
Back to what you were saying, Middle Eastern men are the biggest sexist pigs IMO.
African men are the biggest sexist pigs...
Odinson and Shen Li are the biggest racist pigs...
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Denying the fucking rape-stats of these monkeys would be a crime.
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Denying the fucking rape-stats of these monkeys would be a crime.
They are monkeys are they? Why would I have thought you were a racist? What was I thinking. :roll:
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Denying the fucking rape-stats of these monkeys would be a crime.
They are monkeys are they? Why would I have thought you were a racist? What was I thinking. :roll:
Oh yes, a fucking asshole trying to describe to me how to think about these fucking animals...
Have you served in africa? Ummmm NO! Do not tell me how to describe these animals, you fucking asshole!
A U.N. convoy attacked by oogalaboogalas... Exceptional cruelty shown towards women. Raped and mutilated... I know since I was sent to investigate.
These things are never reported in the media.
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Denying the fucking rape-stats of these monkeys would be a crime.
They are monkeys are they? Why would I have thought you were a racist? What was I thinking. :roll:
I would have used a lot harsher language than "monkey" to describe a rapist.
A monkey is an apt description of these primitives.
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Denying the fucking rape-stats of these monkeys would be a crime.
They are monkeys are they? Why would I have thought you were a racist? What was I thinking. :roll:
Oh yes, a fucking asshole trying to describe to me how to think about these fucking animals...
Have you served in africa? Ummmm NO! Do not tell me how to describe these animals, you fucking asshole!
A U.N. convoy attacked by oogalaboogalas... Exceptional cruelty shown towards women. Raped and mutilated... I know since I was sent to investigate.
These things are never reported in the media.
No, I have not served in the army and I have not been to Africa. I do know racism when I see it though.
Just so you know, I have heard every fucking excuse there is for racism so spare me your reasons. Shen Li might buy your racist bullshit, but I will not.
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They are monkeys are they? Why would I have thought you were a racist? What was I thinking. :roll:
Oh yes, a fucking asshole trying to describe to me how to think about these fucking animals...
Have you served in africa? Ummmm NO! Do not tell me how to describe these animals, you fucking asshole!
A U.N. convoy attacked by oogalaboogalas... Exceptional cruelty shown towards women. Raped and mutilated... I know since I was sent to investigate.
These things are never reported in the media.
Odie, I can totally understand your feelings after what you have seen. Seoulbro needs to get off his high horse and just back the fuck off.
I know you do, gorgeous. :D
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I would have used a lot harsher language than "monkey" to describe a rapist.
A monkey is an apt description of these primitives.
Some cultures are indeed primitive and I don't doubt many in Sub-Saharan Africa meet the definition of the word.
I know that many places around the world women are second class citizens. Even in some democratic countries like India women all too often face discrimination and abuse. What I object to is when you and Odinson put labels on the men from the Middle East or Africa. There are lots of people from those two parts of the world here in Ontario that have never raped or assaulted a woman.
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They are monkeys are they? Why would I have thought you were a racist? What was I thinking. :roll:
Oh yes, a fucking asshole trying to describe to me how to think about these fucking animals...
Have you served in africa? Ummmm NO! Do not tell me how to describe these animals, you fucking asshole!
A U.N. convoy attacked by oogalaboogalas... Exceptional cruelty shown towards women. Raped and mutilated... I know since I was sent to investigate.
These things are never reported in the media.
No, I have not served in the army and I have not been to Africa. I do know racism when I see it though.
Just so you know, I have heard every fucking excuse there is for racism so spare me your reasons. Shen Li might buy your racist bullshit, but I will not.
Oh yeah, I´m a big fucking racist.
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What's up with him all of a sudden? I criticize certain things in Western culture, I am critical of certain aspects of East Asian culture. Why are ME and African culture off limits? What makes those two so f*cking special nobody is allowed to criticize them? I don't f*cking get the double standards.
Well, we aren´t supposed to criticize jews because of the holocaust and we are not supposed to criticize blacks because that´s just shear racism.
The fact is that our sex-crimes peaked when we took these motherfuckers in. The majority of sex-crimes in Finland are done by foreign-men.
Our prisons are full of middle-eastern and african men.
The crime-rate is so high that our media stopped mentioning enthnicity of the culprit.
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A monkey is an apt description of these primitives.
Some cultures are indeed primitive and I don't doubt many in Sub-Saharan Africa meet the definition of the word.
I know that many places around the world women are second class citizens. Even in some democratic countries like India women all too often face discrimination and abuse. What I object to is when you and Odinson put labels on the men from the Middle East or Africa. There are lots of people from those two parts of the world here in Ontario that have never raped or assaulted a woman.
There was an African family in my church and they were very nice people..
One of my girlfriends was born in Tanzania and she has a very hardworking husband.
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What's up with him all of a sudden? I criticize certain things in Western culture, I am critical of certain aspects of East Asian culture. Why are ME and African culture off limits? What makes those two so f*cking special nobody is allowed to criticize them? I don't f*cking get the double standards.
Well, we aren´t supposed to criticize jews because of the holocaust and we are not supposed to criticize blacks because that´s just shear racism.
The fact is that our sex-crimes peaked when we took these motherfuckers in. The majority of sex-crimes in Finland are done by foreign-men.
Our prisons are full of middle-eastern and african men.
The crime-rate is so high that our media stopped mentioning enthnicity of the culprit.
Aboriginal communities in Canada have high rates of domestic violence and sexual abuse. Some people would prefer to sweep it under the carpet and not talk about it. Some Aboriginals(mostly women) have come forward about it though.
True. Their culture is from the other side of the galaxy.
But I´m going to have some fun with my woman for the rest of the night and morning.
Good night and morning Fashionista and sexy thing Shen Li.
I fucked up. :D
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Good night and morning Fashionista and sexy thing Shen Li.
Have a good sleep Mr Odinson.
:)
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Almost all of the africans here are muslims.
Sub-saharan behaviour enhanced with Islam = Kind and loving people. :)
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Almost all of the africans here are muslims.
Sub-saharan behaviour enhanced with Islam = Kind and loving people. :)
Peace be upon the prophet Mohammed.
"Who says we are violent!? DEATH TO THE INFIDEL LIARS!"
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Peace be upon the prophet Mohammed.
"Who says we are violent!? DEATH TO THE INFIDEL LIARS!"
Allah loves you so much he will command others to behead you if you ever question him.
They have this odd thinking that we require them.
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Allah loves you so much he will command others to behead you if you ever question him.
They have this odd thinking that we require them.
Yes, Finland needs their expertise on...on...hmmm that dark ages ideology isn't good for anything.
They sometimes think that they are superior. :D
This one turkish dude claimed that he equals 7 nordicmen only to hear from females that he doesn´t even equal half a nordicman. :lol:
It was an embarrasing scene for the poor man.
^^In other words he had an unrealistic view of his own self worth. Lots of Finnish guys are like that too.
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I don´t think so. We are of course proud of what we have done.
Foreign-politicians just think that we have this highly-inflated sense of our importance because we tell them to bite the big one.
I do walk the walk.
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I don´t think so. We are of course proud of what we have done.
Foreign-politicians just think that we have this highly-inflated sense of our importance because we tell them to bite the big one.
I do walk the walk.
Finland is not the only country that has men with balls. There are strong men everywhere that don't take guff from anyone.
leftovers here are called m*ongrels or foreign horndog prey.
you know the type.
seoogay will never have a family unless it's a gay one adopting a gay child apprentice.
children raised by gays are in the same league as m*ongrel
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children raised by gays are in the same league as m*ongrel
Still fantasizing about gay men you little Vietnamese twit? You and Gary Oak should get a room.
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you know the type.
The vietcong here are called milk-cartons.
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you know the type.
The vietcong here are called milk-cartons.
milk cartons?
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you know the type.
The vietcong here are called milk-cartons.
milk cartons?
Meaning small sized.
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milk cartons?
Meaning small sized.
They don't get any smaller than constipator.
True that.
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They don't get any smaller than constipator.
True that.
Could he get a woman in Finland?
I doubt it. Other than finnishmen, finnishwomen mostly go for swedish or norwegianmen.
And Instigator is not really a flagship of asianmen.
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The vietcong here are called milk-cartons.
milk cartons?
Meaning small sized.
That is most Asian men.
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By Mary Kay Magistad PRI's The World, Beijing
Over 27? Unmarried? Female? In China, you could be labelled a "leftover woman" by the state - but some professional Chinese women these days are happy being single.
Huang Yuanyuan is working late at her job in a Beijing radio newsroom. She's also stressing out about the fact that the next day, she'll turn 29.
"Scary. I'm one year older," she says. "I'm nervous."
Why?
"Because I'm still single. I have no boyfriend. I'm under big pressure to get married."
Huang is a confident, personable young woman with a good salary, her own apartment, an MA from one of China's top universities, and a wealth of friends.
Still, she knows that these days, single, urban, educated women like her in China are called "sheng nu" or "leftover women" - and it stings.
Huang Yuanyuan (front right) and a fellow "leftover" colleague, Wang Tingting, at their radio station in Beijing Who are you calling "leftover"? Huang Yuanyuan (front) and her colleague Wang Tingting
She feels pressure from her friends and her family, and the message gets hammered in by China's state-run media too.
Even the website of the government's supposedly feminist All-China Women's Federation featured articles about "leftover women" - until enough women complained.
State-run media started using the term "sheng nu" in 2007. That same year the government warned that China's gender imbalance - caused by selective abortions because of the one-child policy - was a serious problem.
National Bureau of Statistics data shows there are now about 20 million more men under 30 than women under 30.
"Ever since 2007, the state media have aggressively disseminated this term in surveys, and news reports, and columns, and cartoons and pictures, basically stigmatising educated women over the age of 27 or 30 who are still single," says Leta Hong-Fincher, an American doing a sociology PhD at Tsinghua University in Beijing.
Census figures for China show that around one in five women aged 25-29 is unmarried.
The proportion of unmarried men that age is higher - over a third. But that doesn't mean they will easily match up, since Chinese men tend to "marry down", both in terms of age and educational attainment.
"There is an opinion that A-quality guys will find B-quality women, B-quality guys will find C-quality women, and C-quality men will find D-quality women," says Huang Yuanyuan. "The people left are A-quality women and D-quality men.
If you are in the market for a quality 30 year old woman China is a good place to be. Compare that to the overweight, thin-lipped headcases in Canada?
nah dave.....i stopped comparing 20 years ago.......
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Is it just me or does Dave strike you as a real jerk?
dave may or not be a jerk...but he is definitly portraying him self as a jerk.....he sounds like a lot of fob whities that land in asian countries without the proper respect and appreciation of what the culture offers....
Dave is a fine catch.
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Is it just me or does Dave strike you as a real jerk?
dave may or not be a jerk...but he is definitly portraying him self as a jerk.....he sounds like a lot of fob whities that land in asian countries without
Women?
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Is it just me or does Dave strike you as a real jerk?
dave may or not be a jerk...but he is definitly portraying him self as a jerk.....he sounds like a lot of fob whities that land in asian countries without
Women?
no......women with certain traits, skills, goals, attributes, body type, looks, hair style, skin color, understanding, abilities and aspirations.....you find no where else on the planet......if you do not know this you are a boy
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dave may or not be a jerk...but he is definitly portraying him self as a jerk.....he sounds like a lot of fob whities that land in asian countries without
Women?
no......women with certain traits, skills, goals, attributes, body type, looks, hair style, skin color, understanding, abilities and aspirations.....you find no where else on the planet......if you do not know this you are a boy
So, women...
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Women?
no......women with certain traits, skills, goals, attributes, body type, looks, hair style, skin color, understanding, abilities and aspirations.....you find no where else on the planet......if you do not know this you are a boy
So, women...
of course...................
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Is it just me or does Dave strike you as a real jerk?
You are some prissy jealous white chick right? What do you have against adults having fun? I bet you haven't been laid in 10 years.
Shen Li is chinese.
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Is it just me or does Dave strike you as a real jerk?
You are some prissy jealous white chick right? What do you have against adults having fun? I bet you haven't been laid in 10 years.
White?? I have never been so offended in all my life. :x I would prefer to be called the "c" word than white. YUCK!!
i gather if someone called you a "white cunt" you would probably explode.....
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You are some prissy jealous white chick right? What do you have against adults having fun? I bet you haven't been laid in 10 years.
White?? I have never been so offended in all my life. :x I would prefer to be called the "c" word than white. YUCK!!
i gather if someone called you a "white cunt" you would probably explode.....
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Shenli should care about her Chinese heritage and stay away from the big caucs
i heard that Rambo Wong was also liking the big black cauk.....if fact i heard he is a knob gobbler......much like EU
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EU is so stupid it's difficult to read his posts. On top of that he's an asshole to boot.