Title: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: JOE on October 30, 2016, 01:24:26 PM
Post by: JOE on October 30, 2016, 01:24:26 PM
Or another exampe, if someone goes around committing mass murder, then goes to trial and says, "I've repented. I found God." But of course, his deeds can never be undone. You can't bring back the people he murdered. Even God can't bring back the Dead who didn't deserve to die.
Which begs the question - if people are to believe in Christianity, the Bible or any other faith - shouldn't it at least be practical in order to have meaning in our lives? And logical too? I don't discount that there are some truths in the Bible or there could be a Jesus Christ, but I want it to be real. I find it annoying when people like I've mentioned approach me with unrealistic religious solutions rather than ones which are grounded in reality and actually solve our problems.
Anyways, I'd like to hear what Fashionista, or Dove if she's still around, have to say about this.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on October 30, 2016, 04:54:24 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on October 30, 2016, 04:54:24 PM
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Christians are so intolerant. As Justin Trudeau said " born again Christians are the worst" Nowhere in the bible does it say people should be tolerant.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
I don't get your point. First it seems you are saying Christians(at least the ones you have met) fail in letting their light shine through. And then it seems you are saying that is what they are supposed to do.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Bricktop on October 30, 2016, 07:02:32 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 30, 2016, 07:02:32 PM
Why people who "save" themselves from their own personal demons, whatever they may be, feel the need to allocate responsibility to an illusionary deity defies belief.
People "save" themselves. They make their own decisions. They set their own destiny.
It is remarkable that sensible, intelligent and reasonable people claim that their individual salvation is "proof" that god exists, whilst billions of others live in misery, despair and agony. There is an element of extreme selfishness that fosters such delusions.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 07:14:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 07:14:14 PM
All religion is subversive, illogical and irrational.Quote from: "Oberon"
Why people who "save" themselves from their own personal demons, whatever they may be, feel the need to allocate responsibility to an illusionary deity defies belief.
People "save" themselves. They make their own decisions. They set their own destiny.
It is remarkable that sensible, intelligent and reasonable people claim that their individual salvation is "proof" that god exists, whilst billions of others live in misery, despair and agony. There is an element of extreme selfishness that fosters such delusions.
I agree, but who cares. Islam on the other hand is lethal. A deadly ideology that pretends it is just a silly religion.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 08:04:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 08:04:11 PM
That is because it is not a religion in the first place.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 09:11:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 09:11:02 PM
Recently, I've met a number of people who approach me & ask me if I believe in the Bible and God. So I just tell them "I don't know." One guy told me that God can fix anything in an instant, like "abacadabra". But of course in real life, most everything does not change in an instant. Nor can it be undone. Ie - if a person is in a serious accident, often they carry these injuries for life and usually never completely recover from them. Can this sort of catrastrophe be undone? Well possibly, but not in an instant. It takes medical specialists, several operations, physical rehab and of course money. Yknow, that green stuff that is made by us - humans. That's right, its MAN MADE. Its not a miracle nor magic.Quote from: "JOE"
Or another exampe, if someone goes around committing mass murder, then goes to trial and says, "I've repented. I found God." But of course, his deeds can never be undone. You can't bring back the people he murdered. Even God can't bring back the Dead who didn't deserve to die.
Which begs the question - if people are to believe in Christianity, the Bible or any other faith - shouldn't it at least be practical in order to have meaning in our lives? And logical too? I don't discount that there are some truths in the Bible or there could be a Jesus Christ, but I want it to be real. I find it annoying when people like I've mentioned approach me with unrealistic religious solutions rather than ones which are grounded in reality and actually solve our problems.
Anyways, I'd like to hear what Fashionista, or Dove if she's still around, have to say about this.
I have seen our God work in the lives of people who love him in ways that I cannot explain..
Often not what we want, but what is best for his glory.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Bricktop on October 30, 2016, 09:26:11 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 30, 2016, 09:26:11 PM
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 09:44:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2016, 09:44:17 PM
If you cannot explain it, why do you believe it?Quote from: "Oberon"
I did not say I cannot explain what God has done in my own life..
A relationship with God through Jesus Christ is deeply personal..
I cannot explain or understand what God has done for them, but I know they do.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 03:14:19 AM
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 03:14:19 AM
If God is so benevolent to YOU, why is he such a despotic and cruel overlord to millions of others?
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 07:27:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 07:27:40 AM
So, how do you know God has done anything in your life? Why can't you take responsibility?Quote from: "Oberon"
If God is so benevolent to YOU, why is he such a despotic and cruel overlord to millions of others?
You give credit to man when it is undeserved and blame to God..
It's the other way around...
I grew up in a Christian home, but I was a church kid who road my parents coattails, but I did not really have a relationship with God..
I was in my late teens that I really received Christ as my Lord and savior and there were noticeable changes that followed.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 06:38:51 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 06:38:51 PM
There is no tangible evidence of any such deity, except for that which exists in your own mind. No cosmic entity affected you or your life. You did. And as much as you would like to believe, why not be honest and say you believe in your god because according to his representatives on earth, you will be granted immortality.
Put another way, the fact that death is absolute and the termination of your existence frightens you.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 06:59:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 06:59:11 PM
It all happened in your own mind, Fash.Quote from: "Oberon"
There is no tangible evidence of any such deity, except for that which exists in your own mind. No cosmic entity affected you or your life. You did. And as much as you would like to believe, why not be honest and say you believe in your god because according to his representatives on earth, you will be granted immortality.
Put another way, the fact that death is absolute and the termination of your existence frightens you.
Who the hell cares? If she wants to believe that is what happened, is it any skin off your hide? Religion is harmless. Ideology is the enemy of advanced civilization.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 07:12:37 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 07:12:37 PM
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 07:20:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 07:20:28 PM
Religion is FAR from harmless. ALL religion is subversive and undermines human rights.Quote from: "Oberon"
No, it does not. It is silly superstition and nothing more. Ideology is what drives suicide bombers. It is ideology that puts working Canadians out of good paying natural resource jobs and drives up the cost of living under the guise of saving the frickin planet. It is ideology that is driving our pm being Islam's best friend.
Is Fash or Dove or old Jock doing anything that harms their nation? Hell no, and do you know the reason why? They have a religion, not a frickin ideology.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 11:08:59 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 31, 2016, 11:08:59 PM
What is behind the anti-abortion lunacy in the US? Religion.
What organisation has harboured hundreds of paedophiles and hidden them from justice? Religion.
What organisation receives generous tax subsidies that YOU and I pay for? Religion.
What organisation forbids birth control in countries where birth control will save thousands of lives? Religion.
What organisation is the cause of the current dangerous state of the world? Religion.
What organisation reaps BILLIONS of dollars from its devotees based on lies, deception and fraud? Religion.
What organisation divides families? Religion.
Sorry, sunshine. It is far more seditious that a "silly superstition". It is the cause of enormous social conflict and disharmony.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
A Individual choice and nobody's business if someone chooses to live or die for whatever reason including religion. No church or temple or synagogue around here has made an issue out of it.
Q What is behind the anti-abortion lunacy in the US? Religion.
A Abortion has been legal in the US for 43 years. I am not religious, but I am appalled by late term abortions.
Q What organisation has harboured hundreds of paedophiles and hidden them from justice? Religion.
A The Democratic Party of USA(Barney Frank, Anthony Weiner)
Q What organisation receives generous tax subsidies that YOU and I pay for? Religion.
A Anything that claims to be green and uses the TIDES foundation charity status.
Q What organisation forbids birth control in countries where birth control will save thousands of lives? Religion.
A What Western country forbids birth control? Some Eastern countries don't want it so they can increase their declining birth rates.
Q What organisation is the cause of the current dangerous state of the world? Religion.
A No, that is Islam and as Hermie pointed out, is an ideology not a religion.
Q What organisation reaps BILLIONS of dollars from its devotees based on lies, deception and fraud? Religion.
A Al Gore and Greenpeace.
QWhat organisation divides families? Religion.
A NOW and NAC in Canada
Sorry, but it is but a harmless vice that is nobody's business. Islam excepted of course because it is NOT just a fucking religion.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2016, 06:38:27 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2016, 06:38:27 AM
I don't know about
Politics is where secular people put their faith.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2016, 07:40:23 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2016, 07:40:23 AM
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Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: JOE on November 01, 2016, 09:35:50 AM
Post by: JOE on November 01, 2016, 09:35:50 AM
It has a practical basis in reality.
Ie - Fashionista has a closer bond with her faith. It guides her to get an education. She gets a good job. She meets a guy with similar values and a religious faith. She has kids, whom she and her sigificant other will impart to them. They grow up relatively normal and well adjusted.
.....but at least it is grounded in reality, rather than some guy who condemns me for being agnostic, and then can't explain in a practical way how to solve the world's problems that those in power have created. He just said that according to the bible, its stated in revelations jesus will come back and send all the evildoers to hell, clean up pollution, poverty, wars, income disparity with abacadabra and then doesn't have a practical basis in reality which yields results.
At your worldview has a practical basis in reality and yields positive results that one can see. His doesn't. He just spews out hate, condemns everybody else in order to make himself feel he's better than everybody else. But in the end, he solves nothing, nor does he create anything and above all, he doesn't deliver any results. At least you do. Seems you had a goal, you asked your faith to help you deliver, and it did. It solved the problem, and that's what icall practical as opposed to unrealistic christianity.
So, how do you know God has done anything in your life? Why can't you take responsibility?Quote from: "Oberon"
If God is so benevolent to YOU, why is he such a despotic and cruel overlord to millions of others?
You give credit to man when it is undeserved and blame to God..
It's the other way around...
I grew up in a Christian home, but I was a church kid who road my parents coattails, but I did not really have a relationship with God..
I was in my late teens that I really received Christ as my Lord and savior and there were noticeable changes that followed.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Twenty Dollars on November 01, 2016, 09:45:43 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on November 01, 2016, 09:45:43 AM
All religion is subversive, illogical and irrational.Quote from: "Oberon"
Why people who "save" themselves from their own personal demons, whatever they may be, feel the need to allocate responsibility to an illusionary deity defies belief.
People "save" themselves. They make their own decisions. They set their own destiny.
It is remarkable that sensible, intelligent and reasonable people claim that their individual salvation is "proof" that god exists, whilst billions of others live in misery, despair and agony. There is an element of extreme selfishness that fosters such delusions.
I agree, but who cares. Islam on the other hand is lethal. A deadly ideology that pretends it is just a silly religion.
The subject is Christianity. For me it's smoke, mirrors, and your fair share. The fair share is for atonement part.
Title: Re: Practical vs. Unrealistic Christianity
Post by: Bricktop on November 01, 2016, 05:36:41 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 01, 2016, 05:36:41 PM
A few of the things Oberon wrote, he is under the impression most believers bring their faith into politics..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I don't know aboutreligions, but neither myself nor Dove are overly political..
Politics is where secular people put their faith.
And many muslims will say they are not overtly violent.
Yet, in their name, violence is carried out.
The beast of religion relies heavily on a mass of devotees from which it draws its militant forces. That applies to christianity, islam and judaism.
It is the masses which give the extremists cause to claim they are acting in accordance to their religious beliefs; beliefs created, promulgated and strengthened within the body of the church, mosque or synagogue. Everyone believes it, so it must be true, thus their cause is just. And so we see christianity the basis of anti-gay movements, anti abortion crusaders and anti birth control measures. American presidents ask god to bless the USA as it prosecutes its war crimes. We see judaism and islam justify terrorism.
There are no innocent devotees; each follower is a small component in a larger machine that generates lies and perversion to justify its conduct.
If every brainwashed, mind controlled peon simply turned around and walked away from their false god, the world would be a better place, and war and terrorism would be subdued dramatically.