Title: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:05:03 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:05:03 PM
This is about China, and it's terrible ways of rising to the top.
Most of our countries have done the same, and still have issues, but doing this bigger isn't better.
The toll of people, and future people is abominable, and I hope they can change soon, and learn from others mistakes where they can.
The US, USSR, UK, and many others have done stuff similar decades ago, and we are just learning really, but China needs to look at better ways not just for them, but everyone.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:12:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:12:37 PM
OK got your attention, but it's not about this forum, this place is sweet :DQuote from: "Blue"
This is about China, and it's terrible ways of rising to the top.
Most of our countries have done the same, and still have issues, but doing this bigger isn't better.
The toll of people, and future people is abominable, and I hope they can change soon, and learn from others mistakes where they can.
The US, USSR, UK, and many others have done stuff similar decades ago, and we are just learning really, but China needs to look at better ways not just for them, but everyone.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://oi54.tinypic.com/2ynjrtc.jpg%22%3Ehttp://oi54.tinypic.com/2ynjrtc.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Hello Blue, you did get my attention..
I do not like China, it's government and especially the way China intimidates Taiwan..
China has something like 1000 missiles aimed at Taiwan in the event the island does something that causes Beijing to lose face..
Taiwan is a country and China uses it's economic strength to strongarm other countries not to have any official relations with Taiwan..
It is not right.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
I think with the internet maybe one day all nations will be free without the bullies of the world trying to take control, it's our next move away from being barbarians.
Maybe I'm dreaming.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:22:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:22:31 PM
The reason I am so cynical is corruption...it doesn't matter how many laws the central government brings in they will not be carried out..
Provincial cadres will be pressured to show results which encourages them to fudge results..
The other issues is bribery...just pay a government official and you suddenly are complying with regulations.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
It happens way to much doesn't it ?
To bad that these bad people don't look ahead for their children.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
Yeah I know, and they just dump on the little guy because he is just a number.Quote from: "Blue"
It happens way to much doesn't it ?
To bad that these bad people don't look ahead for their children.
China holds show trials and executions of corrupt provincial cadres, but it has little meaning..
The people of China are aware of widespread corruption, so the central government gives them a token fall guy from time to time..
I am not sure how China's many problems will be solved..
There isn't the will within the CCP for the kind of change needed.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:34:20 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:34:20 PM
To bad when Nixon made his dealings with them a guiding hand didn't follow.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:38:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:38:08 PM
I think the world doesn't help either, the more China tries to emulate the worse it gets.Quote from: "Blue"
To bad when Nixon made his dealings with them a guiding hand didn't follow.
What can the world do though Blue?
China makes a fuss about "interference" in their domestic affairs if any country, but especially a Western one says anything negative.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:42:12 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:42:12 PM
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:43:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:43:56 PM
It could have done something years ago, but I doubt it now since the west is so stupid giving it's industry away.Quote from: "Blue"
China knows how to use it's economic strength.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:46:27 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:46:27 PM
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
Well I cant blame them for that, I blame the ones dealing with them since the money flow comes from outside.Quote from: "Blue"
A lot of that money has come from Taiwan..
It is too late now to make much of an impression on China.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:56:28 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 08:56:28 PM
It tickles me to find something made n America, that's rear anymore.
sad part he quality isn't as good as it was when I was a kid.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Well if we had a choice it would be not to buy fro China, but there is little choice now.Quote from: "Blue"
It tickles me to find something made n America, that's rear anymore.
sad part he quality isn't as good as it was when I was a kid.
Do you mean the quality of products actually produced in the USA is not as good as when you were a child?
I have heard people say this before..
Maybe it's not only China, maybe the quality of goods going down is worldwide.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:07:42 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:07:42 PM
It's called designed obsolescent items.
Frigidaire, TV, what ever is only designed to last so many years now, where before they was designed to last.
Now stuff gets made cheap as they can so you will but the newer one later.
China gets away with it so why not here, people will buy it.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:13:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:13:18 PM
We have a new way in the world, and it gives the green nuts something to complain about.Quote from: "Blue"
It's called designed obsolescent items.
Frigidaire, TV, what ever is only designed to last so many years now, where before they was designed to last.
Now stuff gets made cheap as they can so you will but the newer one later.
China gets away with it so why not here, people will buy it.
Yes, I remember my parents had an old tv for over ten years and got rid of it in 2005 I think..
They have had three new flat screens since then.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:16:56 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:16:56 PM
The first was still working well, and I bought it used with my grass cutting money.
I have a freezer that's old, or older than me, and will likely be here when I'm gone, the fridge lasted 5 years, and the new one seems cheaper.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:18:53 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:18:53 PM
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:19:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:19:46 PM
Hey :-) hope your well, trying to survive here, been a rough day.Quote from: "Blue"
What is wrong Mr Blue?
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
I spent most the day in bed, and just trying to get over it.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:24:13 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:24:13 PM
It pulls, and tightens making my head feel something awful.
Sinus is another thing, they are making it worse.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:26:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:26:12 PM
Yeah, it has been a mess, I think the weather change.Quote from: "Blue"
It pulls, and tightens making my head feel something awful.
Sinus is another thing, they are making it worse.
I am so sorry to hear that Mr Blue.
:(
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:27:53 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:27:53 PM
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
It's alright, part of life for me. Yesterday was good, and maybe tomorrow :)Quote from: "Blue"
I hope you feel better Mr Blue..
You seem like such a nice boy.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:31:53 PM
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2013, 09:31:53 PM
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2013, 09:02:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2013, 09:02:19 AM
It could have done something years ago, but I doubt it now since the west is so stupid giving it's industry away.Quote from: "Blue"
China knows how to use it's economic strength.
You better believe they do. Despite all their problems the West needs them to maintain strong economic growth because the West sure can't do it anymore. Beijing has maintained a low debt to GDP ratio and the people save about 40% of their incomes while their Western counterparts are drowning in debt.
Ten years ago it was stupid to criricize China's internal affairs. Ten years from now it will be suicidal to do that.
As Obvious Li said though, something needs to be done about China's industrial theft.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Odinson on February 27, 2013, 10:42:32 AM
Post by: Odinson on February 27, 2013, 10:42:32 AM
It could have done something years ago, but I doubt it now since the west is so stupid giving it's industry away.Quote from: "Blue"
China knows how to use it's economic strength.
You better believe they do. Despite all their problems the West needs them to maintain strong economic growth because the West sure can't do it anymore. Beijing has maintained a low debt to GDP ratio and the people save about 40% of their incomes while their Western counterparts are drowning in debt.
Ten years ago it was stupid to criricize China's internal affairs.Ten years from now it will be suicidal to do that.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
It could have done something years ago, but I doubt it now since the west is so stupid giving it's industry away.Quote from: "Blue"
China knows how to use it's economic strength.
You better believe they do. Despite all their problems the West needs them to maintain strong economic growth because the West sure can't do it anymore. Beijing has maintained a low debt to GDP ratio and the people save about 40% of their incomes while their Western counterparts are drowning in debt.
Ten years ago it was stupid to criricize China's internal affairs. Ten years from now it will be suicidal to do that.
I don't believe countries should back down from China's bullying even if they do threaten economic retaliation.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Zetsu on February 28, 2013, 12:20:45 PM
Post by: Zetsu on February 28, 2013, 12:20:45 PM
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2013, 12:20:54 PM
Post by: Odinson on February 28, 2013, 12:20:54 PM
China knows how to use it's economic strength.
You better believe they do. Despite all their problems the West needs them to maintain strong economic growth because the West sure can't do it anymore. Beijing has maintained a low debt to GDP ratio and the people save about 40% of their incomes while their Western counterparts are drowning in debt.
Ten years ago it was stupid to criricize China's internal affairs. Ten years from now it will be suicidal to do that.
I don't believe countries should back down from China's bullying even if they do threaten economic retaliation.
Don´t worry about that. The west has enough nukes to blow this solar-system to smithereens.
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Zetsu on February 28, 2013, 12:41:18 PM
Post by: Zetsu on February 28, 2013, 12:41:18 PM
I really hate accusing others without any logical evidence, but when it comes to the Chinese government,Quote from: "Zetsu"most of the time they'll only admit a small fraction of the truth when they have no choice.
That is true and the worst thing the West could do is try and back them into a corner. Westerners need to understand that China is not like any other country and they cannot be approached in the same way.
Both sides are only making things worst, but most of the time the US at least admit they do things only for national interests, while CCP just labels everyone as an enemy when they don't agree or defend their opinions(Tibet).
Title: Re: This place stinks
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2013, 09:18:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2013, 09:18:03 AM
That is true and the worst thing the West could do is try and back them into a corner. Westerners need to understand that China is not like any other country and they cannot be approached in the same way.
Both sides are only making things worst, but most of the time the US at least admit they do things only for national interests, whileCCP just labels everyone as an enemy when they don't agree or defend their opinions(Tibet). [size=200]BULLSEYE!![/size]
They do that all the time.