Title: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2016, 09:19:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2016, 09:19:50 PM
Donald Trump risks China rift with Taiwan call
First US-Taiwanese presidential contact since diplomatic relations were cut in 1979
Donald Trump risks opening up a major diplomatic dispute with China before he has even been inaugurated after speaking on the telephone on Friday with Tsai Ing-wen, the president of Taiwan.
The call, confirmed by four people, is believed to be the first between a US president or president-elect and a leader of Taiwan since diplomatic relations between the two were cut in 1979.
Although it is not clear if the Trump transition team intended the conversation to signal a broader change in US policy towards Taiwan, the call is likely to infuriate Beijing which regards the island as a renegade province.
The US has adopted the so-called One China policy since 1972 after the Nixon-Mao meetings and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter formally recognised Beijing as the sole government of China, with the US embassy closing in Taipei the year after.
The Trump team did not initially respond to multiple requests for comment but, after the Financial Times first published news of the call, confirmed that the president-elect had spoken with Ms Tsai and "noted the close economic, political, and security ties" between Taiwan and the United States
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2016, 09:40:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2016, 09:40:39 PM
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2016, 10:21:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2016, 10:21:34 PM
She said she looked forward to meeting me.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: priscilla1961 on December 02, 2016, 10:46:01 PM
Post by: priscilla1961 on December 02, 2016, 10:46:01 PM
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: cc on December 02, 2016, 11:03:11 PM
Post by: cc on December 02, 2016, 11:03:11 PM
I tried calling Trump, but only got his wife.Quote from: "Oberon"
She said she looked forward to meeting me.
Jus a lil tip from a friend that luvsya ... Wear your back-brace. She's big and looks pretty hot stuff
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Yeah Right on December 02, 2016, 11:38:51 PM
Post by: Yeah Right on December 02, 2016, 11:38:51 PM
I tried calling Trump, but only got his wife.Quote from: "Oberon"
She said she looked forward to meeting me.
Jus a lil tip from a friend that luvsya ... Wear your back-brace. She's big and looks pretty hot stuff
I hear she likes it when you...
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2016, 11:54:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2016, 11:54:46 PM
I tried calling Trump, but only got his wife.Quote from: "Oberon"
She said she looked forward to meeting me.
Jus a lil tip from a friend that luvsya ... Wear your back-brace. She's big and looks pretty hot stuff
I can handle it.
But I'm going to need full body armour when a certain member here catches me.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: cc on December 03, 2016, 12:19:47 AM
Post by: cc on December 03, 2016, 12:19:47 AM
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2016, 12:27:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2016, 12:27:47 AM
Fash might be happy about this, but China will not.Quote from: "Herman"https://www.ft.com/content/fd19907e-b8d4-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d
Donald Trump risks China rift with Taiwan call
First US-Taiwanese presidential contact since diplomatic relations were cut in 1979
Donald Trump risks opening up a major diplomatic dispute with China before he has even been inaugurated after speaking on the telephone on Friday with Tsai Ing-wen, the president of Taiwan.
The call, confirmed by four people, is believed to be the first between a US president or president-elect and a leader of Taiwan since diplomatic relations between the two were cut in 1979.
Although it is not clear if the Trump transition team intended the conversation to signal a broader change in US policy towards Taiwan, the call is likely to infuriate Beijing which regards the island as a renegade province.
The US has adopted the so-called One China policy since 1972 after the Nixon-Mao meetings and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter formally recognised Beijing as the sole government of China, with the US embassy closing in Taipei the year after.
The Trump team did not initially respond to multiple requests for comment but, after the Financial Times first published news of the call, confirmed that the president-elect had spoken with Ms Tsai and "noted the close economic, political, and security ties" between Taiwan and the United States
This is not fucking funny Herm. Fuck ups like this will have consequences if they are not quickly rectified.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
Fash might be happy about this, but China will not.Quote from: "Herman"https://www.ft.com/content/fd19907e-b8d4-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d
Donald Trump risks China rift with Taiwan call
First US-Taiwanese presidential contact since diplomatic relations were cut in 1979
Donald Trump risks opening up a major diplomatic dispute with China before he has even been inaugurated after speaking on the telephone on Friday with Tsai Ing-wen, the president of Taiwan.
The call, confirmed by four people, is believed to be the first between a US president or president-elect and a leader of Taiwan since diplomatic relations between the two were cut in 1979.
Although it is not clear if the Trump transition team intended the conversation to signal a broader change in US policy towards Taiwan, the call is likely to infuriate Beijing which regards the island as a renegade province.
The US has adopted the so-called One China policy since 1972 after the Nixon-Mao meetings and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter formally recognised Beijing as the sole government of China, with the US embassy closing in Taipei the year after.
The Trump team did not initially respond to multiple requests for comment but, after the Financial Times first published news of the call, confirmed that the president-elect had spoken with Ms Tsai and "noted the close economic, political, and security ties" between Taiwan and the United States
Taiwan is a de facto nation.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Thiel on December 03, 2016, 12:04:26 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 03, 2016, 12:04:26 PM
Fash might be happy about this, but China will not.Quote from: "Herman"https://www.ft.com/content/fd19907e-b8d4-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d
Donald Trump risks China rift with Taiwan call
First US-Taiwanese presidential contact since diplomatic relations were cut in 1979
Donald Trump risks opening up a major diplomatic dispute with China before he has even been inaugurated after speaking on the telephone on Friday with Tsai Ing-wen, the president of Taiwan.
The call, confirmed by four people, is believed to be the first between a US president or president-elect and a leader of Taiwan since diplomatic relations between the two were cut in 1979.
Although it is not clear if the Trump transition team intended the conversation to signal a broader change in US policy towards Taiwan, the call is likely to infuriate Beijing which regards the island as a renegade province.
The US has adopted the so-called One China policy since 1972 after the Nixon-Mao meetings and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter formally recognised Beijing as the sole government of China, with the US embassy closing in Taipei the year after.
The Trump team did not initially respond to multiple requests for comment but, after the Financial Times first published news of the call, confirmed that the president-elect had spoken with Ms Tsai and "noted the close economic, political, and security ties" between Taiwan and the United States
Taiwan is a de facto nation.
It would be de jure too, but China bullies the world into denying that Taiwan is a country.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
This is not fucking funny Herm. Fuck ups like this will have consequences if they are not quickly rectified.
Such as?
What will China do?
Close all Western factories?
China is now reliant on the west for its revenue. It needs to STFU.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 12:58:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 12:58:52 PM
This is not fucking funny Herm. Fuck ups like this will have consequences if they are not quickly rectified.
Such as?
What will China do?
Close all Western factories?
China is now reliant on the west for its revenue. It needs to STFU.
The US does need China's cooperation with North Korea.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on December 04, 2016, 02:42:45 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on December 04, 2016, 02:42:45 PM
Such as?
What will China do?
Close all Western factories?
China is now reliant on the west for its revenue. It needs to STFU.
Exactly. The centuries' old mindset needs to get on with the times. Let Taiwan go. It is its own country period.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
Such as?
What will China do?
Close all Western factories?
China is now reliant on the west for its revenue. It needs to STFU.
Exactly. The centuries' old mindset needs to get on with the times. Let Taiwan go. It is its own country period.
I am not opposed to Taiwan making it's separation official. But, do we really want China to use it's vast influence in hot spots around the world against us? Do we want them aiding jihadi cells in the West? I am not saying they will, but if we recognize an independent Taiwan, we have to be prepared for an angry and irrational China.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 02:52:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 02:52:48 PM
Such as?
What will China do?
Close all Western factories?
China is now reliant on the west for its revenue. It needs to STFU.
Exactly. The centuries' old mindset needs to get on with the times. Let Taiwan go. It is its own country period.
I am not opposed to Taiwan making it's separation official. But, do we really want China to use it's vast influence in hot spots around the world against us? Do we want them aiding jihadi cells in the West? I am not saying they will, but if we recognize an independent Taiwan, we have to be prepared for an angry and irrational China.
Seoul Brother, you worry too much. You are worse than a woman.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on December 04, 2016, 02:56:30 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on December 04, 2016, 02:56:30 PM
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 03:15:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 03:15:53 PM
I want my president to stand up against China even if no one else agrees with me. I don't want my country to kowtow to any other nations.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
I can certainly appreciate that AA. But, a cowboy who does not think of possible consequences before acting is dangerous. I am not saying Trump will govern like that. In fact, I expect him to become rather mainstream as he grows into the job.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on December 04, 2016, 03:23:51 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on December 04, 2016, 03:23:51 PM
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 04:43:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 04:43:03 PM
Fash might be happy about this, but China will not.Quote from: "Herman"https://www.ft.com/content/fd19907e-b8d4-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d
Donald Trump risks China rift with Taiwan call
First US-Taiwanese presidential contact since diplomatic relations were cut in 1979
Donald Trump risks opening up a major diplomatic dispute with China before he has even been inaugurated after speaking on the telephone on Friday with Tsai Ing-wen, the president of Taiwan.
The call, confirmed by four people, is believed to be the first between a US president or president-elect and a leader of Taiwan since diplomatic relations between the two were cut in 1979.
Although it is not clear if the Trump transition team intended the conversation to signal a broader change in US policy towards Taiwan, the call is likely to infuriate Beijing which regards the island as a renegade province.
The US has adopted the so-called One China policy since 1972 after the Nixon-Mao meetings and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter formally recognised Beijing as the sole government of China, with the US embassy closing in Taipei the year after.
The Trump team did not initially respond to multiple requests for comment but, after the Financial Times first published news of the call, confirmed that the president-elect had spoken with Ms Tsai and "noted the close economic, political, and security ties" between Taiwan and the United States
Taiwan is a de facto nation.
It would be de jure too, but China bullies the world into denying that Taiwan is a country.
We all know Taiwan would have a seat at the UN if not for China.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2016, 08:30:29 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2016, 08:30:29 PM
Such as?
What will China do?
Close all Western factories?
China is now reliant on the west for its revenue. It needs to STFU.
Exactly. The centuries' old mindset needs to get on with the times. Let Taiwan go. It is its own country period.
I am not opposed to Taiwan making it's separation official. But, do we really want China to use it's vast influence in hot spots around the world against us? Do we want them aiding jihadi cells in the West? I am not saying they will, but if we recognize an independent Taiwan, we have to be prepared for an angry and irrational China.
China needs to learn some respect for the West.
It is neither militarily nor economically strong enough to intimidate us. It has been allowed to snub its nose in our direction for years now. It needs to learn some manners.
It has tied its economy to the West, which has improved its economy exponentially. But that is a double edged sword. It is now reliant on the West to maintain its economy.
It is NOT a matter for China who the US President speaks to.
History also tells us China is big on talk...but not so strong when push comes to shove. It is more noise than substance.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 08:37:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2016, 08:37:06 PM
Good for Trump. I hope there are more calls to Taipei.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2016, 12:35:42 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2016, 12:35:42 AM
Its all talk...but little action.
And I cannot help but wonder, who are China's allies?
North Korea. Period.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
Offending China is FAR from the global crisis some are suggesting.Quote from: "Oberon"
Its all talk...but little action.
And I cannot help but wonder, who are China's allies?
North Korea. Period.
One of their allies died last week.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2016, 04:32:15 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2016, 04:32:15 AM
90 miles from US air power is a good reason to.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: JOE on December 05, 2016, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: JOE on December 05, 2016, 11:58:00 AM
Why can't there be two?
Aren't there two Sudans now after the country split in two?
Same with CzechoSlovakia also split, as did the former Yugoslavia.
It seems all this single recognition of one China has done, is make the West poorer and poorer. Not only is the US and its allies becoming indebted to Mainland China, they are sucking all the jobs out of North America and the West. They don't really play by the same rules & have a protected economy.
Seems the West and its citizens were far better off when they recognized Taiwan as the real China. Maybe if the corporations had poured all this money into Taiwan, let them act as the Middleman to deal with Mainland China, we'd all be better off today.
Anyways, Trump's a Nationalist and Taiwan the same, so they should get along just fine.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2016, 02:28:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2016, 02:28:14 PM
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2016, 05:32:22 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2016, 05:32:22 PM
Well played, sir.
Title: Re: China Will be Pissed Off; Trump Makes a Phone Call to Taiwan's President
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2016, 09:09:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2016, 09:09:44 PM
He was urged by the government of Japan in the early 1960's to officially change the name of the ROC to the Chinese Republic of Taiwan, but dictator Chiang would have nothing of it..
Once resolution 2758 that expelled the ROC and recognized the PRC as only legitimate representative of China, the PRC adopted the one China policy..
I want Taiwan to be called Republic of Taiwan and shed our ROC legacy that Chiang Kai Shek forced on us.