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Quote from: "shin"I have a friend on another forum who recently got out of an almost decade long relationship, and now he tells me rhetoric about how girls aren't worth the trouble anymore. I think he's just depressed, but that's another story.



He brought up the notion that because of our old standards of traditional courting, the man often gets the shorter end of the stick in unsuccessful attempts at dating. He then went on to mention a group or movement called Men Going Their Own Way (//https). It seems he wholeheartedly agrees with much of their ideas.



"According to columnist Martin Daubney, members of the MGTOW community believe that legal and romantic entanglements with women fail a cost–benefit analysis and risk–benefit analysis. Jeremy Nicholson writing for Psychology Today similarly described MGTOW as men frustrated with the lack of incentives to date who choose to opt out of dating and focus on taking care of themselves. Kay Hymowitz has stated that some self-identified MGTOW express discontent because they see women as hypergamous and manipulative. Business Insider reporter Dylan Love wrote a "fully-realized MGTOW (there are levels to it) is someone who shuns all relationships with women, short-term, long-term, romantic, and otherwise. He eventually shuns society as a whole." MGTOW use the word "gynocentric" to describe conditions that favor women to the detriment of men, and are opposed to such circumstances."



I think I see the relevance of their general argument, but does it seem to you guys that they might have taken being a spoil-sport to the extreme? What do you think of these self-described men going their own way?

Quote from: "Wulf"There is certain level of merit to the frame of mind that says women aren't worth the trouble. BUT taking it to the extreme makes for a dull lonely life and the purchase of a lot of hand lotion and tissues I might add.



For the most part I agree with Chief Inspector on this. If you, as a guy "got it going on", the problems that women bring to the table are diminished.  The high maintenance, manipulative type of women simply doesn't fly with guys who are confident and well adjusted. They are only a problem for suckers and geeks. I could point to examples on this forum but why waste time on the obvious.

Quote from: "RW"Same.  I have found those guys to be really high on themselves though.



Personally I think it's great for men to focus on taking care of themselves rather than expecting women to do it for them.

Quote from: "RW"So did mine.  I don't think men get the same lecture.

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "RW"So did mine.  I don't think men get the same lecture.

My sons will have it drilled into their minds that anything less than superior is unacceptable. The roar of the tiger mommy.

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Quote from: "RW"So did mine.  I don't think men get the same lecture.

My sons will have it drilled into their minds that anything less than superior is unacceptable. The roar of the tiger mommy.

My parents said nothing and I still bagged a hot genius haha

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Quote from: "shin"I have a friend on another forum who recently got out of an almost decade long relationship, and now he tells me rhetoric about how girls aren't worth the trouble anymore. I think he's just depressed, but that's another story.



He brought up the notion that because of our old standards of traditional courting, the man often gets the shorter end of the stick in unsuccessful attempts at dating. He then went on to mention a group or movement called Men Going Their Own Way (//https). It seems he wholeheartedly agrees with much of their ideas.



"According to columnist Martin Daubney, members of the MGTOW community believe that legal and romantic entanglements with women fail a cost–benefit analysis and risk–benefit analysis. Jeremy Nicholson writing for Psychology Today similarly described MGTOW as men frustrated with the lack of incentives to date who choose to opt out of dating and focus on taking care of themselves. Kay Hymowitz has stated that some self-identified MGTOW express discontent because they see women as hypergamous and manipulative. Business Insider reporter Dylan Love wrote a "fully-realized MGTOW (there are levels to it) is someone who shuns all relationships with women, short-term, long-term, romantic, and otherwise. He eventually shuns society as a whole." MGTOW use the word "gynocentric" to describe conditions that favor women to the detriment of men, and are opposed to such circumstances."



I think I see the relevance of their general argument, but does it seem to you guys that they might have taken being a spoil-sport to the extreme? What do you think of these self-described men going their own way?

Sounds like a bunch of frustrated wankers. A good support group for Joe.

Quote from: "Blurt"It's a good thing women aren't choosing to go their own way; civilization would crumble.

Quote from: "Blurt"It's a good thing women aren't choosing to go their own way; civilization would crumble.

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Blurt"It's a good thing women aren't choosing to go their own way; civilization would crumble.

Didn't YOUR woman choose to go her own way?

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Quote from: "Blurt"It's a good thing women aren't choosing to go their own way; civilization would crumble.

Didn't YOUR woman choose to go her own way?

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Quote from: "Blurt"It's a good thing women aren't choosing to go their own way; civilization would crumble.

Didn't YOUR woman choose to go her own way?

What way is Blurt choosing to go? :confused1:

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Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Blurt"It's a good thing women aren't choosing to go their own way; civilization would crumble.

Didn't YOUR woman choose to go her own way?

No.



She got married last fall.



Sort of the opposite of "going your own way."



She was never the type to endure being alone

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Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Blurt"It's a good thing women aren't choosing to go their own way; civilization would crumble.

Didn't YOUR woman choose to go her own way?

No.



She got married last fall.



Sort of the opposite of "going your own way."



She was never the type to endure being alone.



I realize you were trying to make a funny, Leo, but I seriously found her inability conceive of a life without a partner detrimental to our own happiness. It made her clingy as all hell.

Quote from: "Blurt"I guess she did, and I'm sure I would.

Quote from: "shin"I almost forgot about this thread.



I wonder how people who live in cultures where arranged marriage is the norm treat "sexual individuality".



On a side note, I haven't had a girlfriend in a few years... but I don't feel like I want one at the moment. I've become quite driven in trying to "get my shit together" for when that time comes.

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Quote from: "shin"I almost forgot about this thread.



I wonder how people who live in cultures where arranged marriage is the norm treat "sexual individuality".



On a side note, I haven't had a girlfriend in a few years... but I don't feel like I want one at the moment. I've become quite driven in trying to "get my shit together" for when that time comes.

I doubt there is any concept of that in such cultures shin.

Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "shin"I almost forgot about this thread.



I wonder how people who live in cultures where arranged marriage is the norm treat "sexual individuality".



On a side note, I haven't had a girlfriend in a few years... but I don't feel like I want one at the moment. I've become quite driven in trying to "get my shit together" for when that time comes.

I doubt there is any concept of that in such cultures shin.

I assumed sex before marriage is discouraged in such cultures, but does it happen with any regularity?