A footballer in the UK has been fined 20K for a drink driving offence.
Thats around $50,000 Australian and Canadian. For returning a reading that would be legal in Australia, the US and Canada.
"Footballer Roberto Firmino has been banned from driving for a year and fined £20,000 for drink-driving.
The 25-year-old Brazil international was arrested after his Range Rover was stopped in Liverpool city centre in the early hours of Christmas Eve.
In a statement, the Liverpool FC forward said what he did was wrong and "apologised without reservation".
The club said it had "disciplined" him but the action would remain private and it would not affect his selection.
'Bad example'
Liverpool Magistrates' Court heard Firmino had left a restaurant and was seen to cross into the opposite carriageway on Strand Street when he was stopped by police.
He was taken to a police station and breathalysed.
He had a reading of 46 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath above the legal limit in England of 35 micrograms. "
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-38827722
20 THOUSAND pounds sterling for a MINOR infringement, no accident, no embarrassment and no evidence of impairment.
It seems the UK has a proportional fining system, similar to Sweden and other Scandinavian countries, whereby a fine is calculated based on a proportion of income, rather than fixed fines.
So, an unemployed student (probably a leftie) is fined $100 for speeding.
The CEO of a large corporation is fined $10,000 for the same offence.
Is this fair? Is it justice?
As a side issue, where do these sporting clubs get off adding their own penalties to a civil crime?
Isn't it a cornerstone of our justice system that we are punished only once for the same offence?
What is wrong with a sports club fining players for bad behaviour away from the game?
Ok.
How about your church fining you for not wearing a seat belt?
How about schools fining students for jaywalking?
Employers fining their staff for getting drunk in a bar?
Being paid millions of dollars a year to do something you love is not a right.
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They know that which is why they tolerate it.
DRINK DRIVING in GB is massively clamped down on by the police .
There Right as well .
Drunk Drivers kill 1000s of innocent people a year .
Fuck Him !
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There Right as well .
Drunk Drivers kill 1000s of innocent people a year .
Fuck Him !
It's very serious in every province in Canada too I think.
I got an impaired around twenty years ago on a fly home from Libya. I got three months suspension. I am pretty sure it's a minimum of one year now.
Like any other professional sports team the players sign contracts. I am sure there is plenty of bold print telling them they can fine them for pretty much whatever they want to. Seems fair to me. Get paid that kind of money you should be held to a higher standard. Too many players are looked up to and idolized by kids and adults alike. Doubt seriously a driver and care would have cost that much for a night.
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I agree kiebers.
It's kind of like a sharia law that operates alongside western law except for the sporting fraternity.
What happens when no State laws are broken but the club punishes the player for something they don't like?
Happens sometimes here. A footy player does something not illegal but questionable. The State does nothing. The club doles out punishments.
Seems wrong but they did sign the contract. Seems to me that players need to collectively bargain out of being held to different standards or start a different league and leave the manipulators in the dust.
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What happens when no State laws are broken but the club punishes the player for something they don't like?
Happens sometimes here. A footy player does something not illegal but questionable. The State does nothing. The club doles out punishments.
Seems wrong but they did sign the contract. Seems to me that players need to collectively bargain out of being held to different standards or start a different league and leave the manipulators in the dust.
Oh ffs, I was waiting for someone to use that analogy. Why not call the team owners nazis. Get real, they are living the fucking dream.
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What happens when no State laws are broken but the club punishes the player for something they don't like?
Happens sometimes here. A footy player does something not illegal but questionable. The State does nothing. The club doles out punishments.
Seems wrong but they did sign the contract. Seems to me that players need to collectively bargain out of being held to different standards or start a different league and leave the manipulators in the dust.
Oh ffs, I was waiting for someone to use that analogy. Why not call the team owners nazis. Get real, they are living the fucking dream.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. It's a contract both parties agree to. That it's draconian is another issue.
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What happens when no State laws are broken but the club punishes the player for something they don't like?
Happens sometimes here. A footy player does something not illegal but questionable. The State does nothing. The club doles out punishments.
Seems wrong but they did sign the contract. Seems to me that players need to collectively bargain out of being held to different standards or start a different league and leave the manipulators in the dust.
Oh ffs, I was waiting for someone to use that analogy. Why not call the team owners nazis. Get real, they are living the fucking dream.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. It's a contract both parties agree to. That it's draconian is another issue.
No gun is pointed at their heads when they sign that contract. It seems like not much of a sacrifice for a life of exceptional privilege.
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What happens when no State laws are broken but the club punishes the player for something they don't like?
Happens sometimes here. A footy player does something not illegal but questionable. The State does nothing. The club doles out punishments.
Seems wrong but they did sign the contract. Seems to me that players need to collectively bargain out of being held to different standards or start a different league and leave the manipulators in the dust.
Oh ffs, I was waiting for someone to use that analogy. Why not call the team owners nazis. Get real, they are living the fucking dream.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. It's a contract both parties agree to. That it's draconian is another issue.
No gun is pointed at their heads when they sign that contract. It seems like not much of a sacrifice for a life of exceptional privilege.
It's a sacrifice of free will, whether intended or unintended.
I'd rather not sacrifice one iota of free will for anything but that's just me. Does it make it right though? Two codes working side by side until one code decides to contractually fcuk the persons shit up while the other bigger code does nothing.
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So, you're saying your rights diminish the more money you earn?
So, if a politician gets caught for DUI, should the political party fine them as well?
How about the Law Society or equivalent billing wayward lawyers?
If we ask people who hit, kick or chase balls for a living to set our social standards, we are really not thinking clearly. If sports stars are to be the measure of our behaviour, we are well and truly stupid.
There is another issue here; a contract which binds the signatory to abrogate a lawful right or responsibility cannot be binding.
You have the right to only be penalised ONCE for a crime.
If the matter were resisted and referred to a superior court, I suspect sporting clubs would get a severe lesson in common law.
Of course, sporting professionals would be reticent to claim they were unfairly penalised, because the pay check far outweighs their common law rights.
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So, you're saying your rights diminish the more money you earn?
So, if a politician gets caught for DUI, should the political party fine them as well?
How about the Law Society or equivalent billing wayward lawyers?
If we ask people who hit, kick or chase balls for a living to set our social standards, we are really not thinking clearly. If sports stars are to be the measure of our behaviour, we are well and truly stupid.
There is another issue here; a contract which binds the signatory to abrogate a lawful right or responsibility cannot be binding.
You have the right to only be penalised ONCE for a crime.
If the matter were resisted and referred to a superior court, I suspect sporting clubs would get a severe lesson in common law.
Of course, sporting professionals would be reticent to claim they were unfairly penalised, because the pay check far outweighs their common law rights.
Real Madrid for example is a private organization. If they demand certain public behaviour from their members so be it. They are not the first private club to set standards.
They signed a contract for big money, no one forced them to sign. It is just that simple.
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What happens when no State laws are broken but the club punishes the player for something they don't like?
Happens sometimes here. A footy player does something not illegal but questionable. The State does nothing. The club doles out punishments.
Seems wrong but they did sign the contract. Seems to me that players need to collectively bargain out of being held to different standards or start a different league and leave the manipulators in the dust.
Oh ffs, I was waiting for someone to use that analogy. Why not call the team owners nazis. Get real, they are living the fucking dream.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. It's a contract both parties agree to. That it's draconian is another issue.
No gun is pointed at their heads when they sign that contract. It seems like not much of a sacrifice for a life of exceptional privilege.
It's a sacrifice of free will, whether intended or unintended.
I'd rather not sacrifice one iota of free will for anything but that's just me. Does it make it right though? Two codes working side by side until one code decides to contractually fcuk the persons shit up while the other bigger code does nothing.
Clearly u know nothing .
When a man / Woman signs a Sports contract , there is a Clause that states , They CANNOT NOT bring to club into disrepute .
So when he was arrested for DD ( Pun intended ) he brought the Club / name of said club / Sponsers into disrepute .
So was punished for it .
Just deal with it DD instead of whingin aboot every fuckin Thang that gets posted .
Shush, Kam. Your panty liner is showing.
Whats a panty liner ?
Is its a Man Hating ThAng ?
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Apparently I failed to make myself clear.
The law of contract works thus; if you coerce someone to sign a contract which allows an emloyer to impose corporal punishment, and the employer does indeed assault the employee...it is NO defence to present the contract, because common law disqualifies any contract that facilitates an abrogation of the protection of law.
The charge of assault would stand.
The law is also quite clear; an offender can only be penalised ONCE for the same crime falling from the same set of circumstances.
Penalising a person TWICE is a breach of common law.
Sporting clubs are on thin legal ice imposing a penalty on players after they have been penalised by the State.
If a court determines that the Club is indeed applying a second penalty, the contract is void.
Its, as you say, simple.
There are golf and country clubs that you can be kicked out of for legal infractions. I can't afford to join any of them, so it means nothing to me.
Breaching club rules is a separate issue.
However, if club rules impose a second penalty for a statutory offence, then in my view they are unlawful.
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However, if club rules impose a second penalty for a statutory offence, then in my view they are unlawful.
I say it will not be struck down by the justice system.
I say it will.
How much ya wanna bet?
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How much ya wanna bet?
I won't bet anything, but in North America, it's not unusual for pro sports teams to punish players for bad behaviour away from the game.