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QuoteThe man who killed and mutilated a man on a Greyhound bus in 2008 has been granted his freedom, his victim's mother confirmed in a Facebook post late Friday afternoon.



Will Baker, who previously went by the name Vince Li and was found not criminally responsible in 2009 in the death of Tim McLean, was granted an absolute discharge by the Criminal Code Review Board of Manitoba on Friday.



McLean's mother, Carol de Delley, confirmed the verdict on her personal social media account.



"This just in....Vince Li/Will Baker was granted an absolute discharge today by the Manitoba review board. I have no comment today. I have no words," de Delley wrote.



As opposed to a criminal court that decides guilt, the review board was tasked with deciding if Baker would pose a significant threat to the public. After hearing from Baker's treatment team and arguments from both side's lawyers, the board deemed he would not.



Baker's lawyer, Alan Libman, said Baker remains "committed to taking his medication and working with his treatment team."



"I was confident based on the evidence that was presented to them," Libman told the Winnipeg Sun on Friday. "There was no contrary point of view provided. No one who has worked with him believes he's a danger to anyone, no one who has worked with him has anything negative to say. He's been hard-working, compliant, and has done everything that's been asked of him."



Libman said he can't change the opinions of those in the public who may feel uneasy with Baker now free.



"I can't adjust that. That's just not the way we operate in a free and democratic society," Libman said. "We don't punish people who didn't intend the consequences of their actions. It's a mental health issue, not a legal one."



Libman said Baker intends to maintain residence in Winnipeg in the short term, continue his education and plans to visit his family in China in the fall.



In her summation on Monday, Crown lawyer Mary Goska argued Baker remains a threat to the public if off his medication regimen.



"We should not lose sight of what occurred because it does speak to the threat," she said. "... It's clear that he can be a danger in certain circumstances."

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2017/02/10/baker-vince-li-given-absolute-discharge

Quote from: "RW"Um...if this mentally ill person can go off his meds and behead someone, he needs to be institutionalised.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "RW"Um...if this mentally ill person can go off his meds and behead someone, he needs to be institutionalised.

But, the review said he will not do that.



Hey, does anyone want to fall asleep on a bus and have him sit down beside them?

Quote from: "Bricktop"Public be damned, as long as this psychopath is treated with compassion and leniency.

Quote from: "Bricktop"Public be damned, as long as this psychopath is treated with compassion and leniency.

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"If he has been on forced medication, the odds are in favour of him stopping them ..... seen too much of that  .... Take meds, feel better, "I don't need them now because I feel OK" .. stop ... disaster

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"If he has been on forced medication, the odds are in favour of him stopping them ..... seen too much of that  .... Take meds, feel better, "I don't need them now because I feel OK" .. stop ... disaster

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Quote from: "cc la mata hari"If he has been on forced medication, the odds are in favour of him stopping them ..... seen too much of that  .... Take meds, feel better, "I don't need them now because I feel OK" .. stop ... disaster

So, that's not unusual cc?

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"If he has been on forced medication, the odds are in favour of him stopping them ..... seen too much of that  .... Take meds, feel better, "I don't need them now because I feel OK" .. stop ... disaster

So, that's not unusual cc?

It's virtually guaranteed. Only those who understand how it all  works AND  really really want to stay OK will do so.



Because he was forced to take them it is very unlikely he will continue without force



I do know this area, mate having a boy with the same illness ..... off and on meds ... several suicide tries, often because he felt he was a danger ... then finally, he scared himself so badly and he is pretty smart and "ethical" (does not want to hurt others) so he now fears not taking them. Without that, he'd not be alive today

QuoteIf this animal doesn't take his meds and commits a violent crime the victims(including the McLean family) should be held criminally responsible.

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"

QuoteIf this animal doesn't take his meds and commits a violent crime the victims(including the McLean family) should be held criminally responsible.

I must be reading this wrong. The victim's  mom was horrified he would get out

Quote from: "Wambo Rong"This guy has been a campaign of yours for years Shen Li. What's up with that? We don't kill sick people in Canada. Maybe we could import a few execution vans or have some mock trials and public hangings.

Quote from: "Wambo Rong"This guy has been a campaign of yours for years Shen Li. What's up with that? We don't kill sick people in Canada. Maybe we could import a few execution vans or have some mock trials and public hangings.

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"

Quote from: "Wambo Rong"This guy has been a campaign of yours for years Shen Li. What's up with that? We don't kill sick people in Canada. Maybe we could import a few execution vans or have some mock trials and public hangings.

I can vouch for Shen. To my knowledge of all  those she has executed,  none of them were ill

Quote from: "Shen Li"If this animal doesn't take his meds and commits a violent crime the victims(including the McLean family) should be able to hold the review board criminally responsible.

QuoteThe man who killed and mutilated a man on a Greyhound bus in 2008 has been granted his freedom, his victim's mother confirmed in a Facebook post late Friday afternoon.



Will Baker, who previously went by the name Vince Li and was found not criminally responsible in 2009 in the death of Tim McLean, was granted an absolute discharge by the Criminal Code Review Board of Manitoba on Friday.



McLean's mother, Carol de Delley, confirmed the verdict on her personal social media account.



"This just in....Vince Li/Will Baker was granted an absolute discharge today by the Manitoba review board. I have no comment today. I have no words," de Delley wrote.



As opposed to a criminal court that decides guilt, the review board was tasked with deciding if Baker would pose a significant threat to the public. After hearing from Baker's treatment team and arguments from both side's lawyers, the board deemed he would not.



Baker's lawyer, Alan Libman, said Baker remains "committed to taking his medication and working with his treatment team."



"I was confident based on the evidence that was presented to them," Libman told the Winnipeg Sun on Friday. "There was no contrary point of view provided. No one who has worked with him believes he's a danger to anyone, no one who has worked with him has anything negative to say. He's been hard-working, compliant, and has done everything that's been asked of him."



Libman said he can't change the opinions of those in the public who may feel uneasy with Baker now free.



"I can't adjust that. That's just not the way we operate in a free and democratic society," Libman said. "We don't punish people who didn't intend the consequences of their actions. It's a mental health issue, not a legal one."



Libman said Baker intends to maintain residence in Winnipeg in the short term, continue his education and plans to visit his family in China in the fall.



In her summation on Monday, Crown lawyer Mary Goska argued Baker remains a threat to the public if off his medication regimen.



"We should not lose sight of what occurred because it does speak to the threat," she said. "... It's clear that he can be a danger in certain circumstances."

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2017/02/10/baker-vince-li-given-absolute-discharge

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"If he has been on forced medication, the odds are in favour of him stopping them ..... seen too much of that  .... Take meds, feel better, "I don't need them now because I feel OK" .. stop ... disaster

So, that's not unusual cc?

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"Hi Berry & Fash. We are mainly fortunate with our lad in that he has stayed on his meds for over 15 yrs now (scared himself so bad he swore he's never miss his meds and hasn't ... many, maybe most  do not stay on meds consistently



however,  in December, out of the blue a bad dream ordering him to do himself in ...  so he took 3 1/2 weeks worth of meds  ... resulted in a huge scare and a waaaaaay too close call (thot almost certain that we had lost him - did not expect him to show signs of life when mate went to his place and nudged him on the floor, but he did .. barely .. after 911, and a cpl of days of not knowing if he would survive  .... he beat the odds by surviving at all and also with no after-effects



After surviving he asked his doc to make meds be given weekly instead of monthly .. . and he's back to OK, and VERY happy to even be alive



NOTE: Joe's post, made thinking he actually  had any clue as to cause / motive, is sickening.



That said, this guy should not be on the streets and will likely go off meds

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"I have initiated action on your behalf that clearly  is long overdue



Your psychiatry phd degree and hero badge are "in the mail"

Quote from: "cc la mata hari"No. He has been able to live on his own for several years now

Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"I had not read all the posts here. Glad your stepson is doing better, cc.



I am not an expert on this but I've heard from others that not only is it important to take the meds regularly. Talk therapy must continue also with the designated professional.

Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"That should cure anyone from riding a Greyhound bus and sleeping with their headphones on. I've never done it and will not do it ever now. It's really true what they say, "There are crazy people running around out there."