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Title: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: RW on February 22, 2017, 04:04:18 PM
QuoteNASA Telescope Reveals Largest Batch of Earth-Size, Habitable-Zone Planets Around Single Star



NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has revealed the first known system of seven Earth-size planets around a single star. Three of these planets are firmly located in the habitable zone, the area around the parent star where a rocky planet is most likely to have liquid water.



The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.



"This discovery could be a significant piece in the puzzle of finding habitable environments, places that are conducive to life," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. "Answering the question 'are we alone' is a top science priority and finding so many planets like these for the first time in the habitable zone is a remarkable step forward toward that goal."


I have no doubt we are not the only life in this universe but I wonder if we will actually be able to find any in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Aryan on February 22, 2017, 04:08:44 PM
You could try going beyond the ice wall in Antarctica but you probably wouldn't like it, too many Nordic, Aryan types live there.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2017, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: "RW"
QuoteNASA Telescope Reveals Largest Batch of Earth-Size, Habitable-Zone Planets Around Single Star



NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has revealed the first known system of seven Earth-size planets around a single star. Three of these planets are firmly located in the habitable zone, the area around the parent star where a rocky planet is most likely to have liquid water.



The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.



"This discovery could be a significant piece in the puzzle of finding habitable environments, places that are conducive to life," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. "Answering the question 'are we alone' is a top science priority and finding so many planets like these for the first time in the habitable zone is a remarkable step forward toward that goal."


I have no doubt we are not the only life in this universe but I wonder if we will actually be able to find any in our lifetimes.

I have no doubt there is other life in the universe too. Is it intelligent or primitive. Maybe we will find out.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2017, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: "RW"
QuoteNASA Telescope Reveals Largest Batch of Earth-Size, Habitable-Zone Planets Around Single Star



NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has revealed the first known system of seven Earth-size planets around a single star. Three of these planets are firmly located in the habitable zone, the area around the parent star where a rocky planet is most likely to have liquid water.



The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.



"This discovery could be a significant piece in the puzzle of finding habitable environments, places that are conducive to life," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. "Answering the question 'are we alone' is a top science priority and finding so many planets like these for the first time in the habitable zone is a remarkable step forward toward that goal."


I have no doubt we are not the only life in this universe but I wonder if we will actually be able to find any in our lifetimes.

I hope so. The entire West can send refugee claimants to these planets.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: RW on February 22, 2017, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "RW"
QuoteNASA Telescope Reveals Largest Batch of Earth-Size, Habitable-Zone Planets Around Single Star



NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has revealed the first known system of seven Earth-size planets around a single star. Three of these planets are firmly located in the habitable zone, the area around the parent star where a rocky planet is most likely to have liquid water.



The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.



"This discovery could be a significant piece in the puzzle of finding habitable environments, places that are conducive to life," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. "Answering the question 'are we alone' is a top science priority and finding so many planets like these for the first time in the habitable zone is a remarkable step forward toward that goal."


I have no doubt we are not the only life in this universe but I wonder if we will actually be able to find any in our lifetimes.

I have no doubt there is other life in the universe too. Is it intelligent or primitive. Maybe we will find out.

I just wonder if our current space travel impediments will make answering that question impossible.  Like do you think we will ever possess the technology to truly find out?  I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2017, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: "RW"
QuoteNASA Telescope Reveals Largest Batch of Earth-Size, Habitable-Zone Planets Around Single Star



NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has revealed the first known system of seven Earth-size planets around a single star. Three of these planets are firmly located in the habitable zone, the area around the parent star where a rocky planet is most likely to have liquid water.



The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.



"This discovery could be a significant piece in the puzzle of finding habitable environments, places that are conducive to life," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. "Answering the question 'are we alone' is a top science priority and finding so many planets like these for the first time in the habitable zone is a remarkable step forward toward that goal."


I have no doubt we are not the only life in this universe but I wonder if we will actually be able to find any in our lifetimes.


It is deceptive to consider that simply finding a planet that resembles our own assumes life exists on that planet.



It ignores the extremely high degree of chance that led to life being formed here on Earth.



You do not just require a planet with water. Mars had water. So, I believe, does Europa. You need the ingredients and incredibly tight environment for life to initiate. Our life emerged from a chemical process that took place deep in the ocean, near volcanic outlets.



The odds of that occurring are mathematically astounding. Yet here we are.



The odds that this will happen TWICE in the universe contains so many zeroes you'd need a telescope to see the last from the first.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on February 22, 2017, 08:46:06 PM
What about oxygen ya need that for life as well as fucken trees who make the oxygen.



These scientist cunts know fuck all except to get govt grant for their bullshit.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: "GORDY GAMBINO"What about oxygen ya need that for life as well as fucken trees who make the oxygen.



These scientist cunts know fuck all except to get govt grant for their bullshit.

If there is life there, we'll charge them a carbon tax.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Renee on February 22, 2017, 09:32:41 PM
It's kind of interesting to see that most people can only think in terms of intelligent life as carbon based earth bound biology.



Carl Sagan was of the opinion that it's very difficult to be certain of statements that apply to life on Earth will apply to all life in the universe. The concept that all life in the universe must be carbon based is called "carbon chauvinism". Various non carbon based biochemistries, which are indeed possible, will require a somewhat different set of rules and circumstances for existence. This increases however slightly the odds that we are not alone in the universe.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2017, 09:42:16 PM
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Blurt on February 22, 2017, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"It is deceptive to consider that simply finding a planet that resembles our own assumes life exists on that planet.



It ignores the extremely high degree of chance that led to life being formed here on Earth.



You do not just require a planet with water. Mars had water. So, I believe, does Europa. You need the ingredients and incredibly tight environment for life to initiate. Our life emerged from a chemical process that took place deep in the ocean, near volcanic outlets.



The odds of that occurring are mathematically astounding. Yet here we are.



The odds that this will happen TWICE in the universe contains so many zeroes you'd need a telescope to see the last from the first.

Source?
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2017, 07:19:22 PM
Quote from: "Blurt"
Quote from: "Bricktop"It is deceptive to consider that simply finding a planet that resembles our own assumes life exists on that planet.



It ignores the extremely high degree of chance that led to life being formed here on Earth.



You do not just require a planet with water. Mars had water. So, I believe, does Europa. You need the ingredients and incredibly tight environment for life to initiate. Our life emerged from a chemical process that took place deep in the ocean, near volcanic outlets.



The odds of that occurring are mathematically astounding. Yet here we are.



The odds that this will happen TWICE in the universe contains so many zeroes you'd need a telescope to see the last from the first.

Source?


http://www.space.com/33374-odds-of-life-emerging-new-equation.html



Amongst many.



Your Google broken, cupcake?
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Blurt on February 24, 2017, 12:53:43 AM
Interesting article, Leo.



But it in no way supports your claim (the claim I was referencing was this one: The odds that this will happen TWICE in the universe contains so many zeroes you'd need a telescope to see the last from the first.)



In fact, the article comes to a conclusion very much the opposite of yours.



The value Pa, which is the probability that life will assemble out of those particular building blocks [that are part of the planet's composition] over a given time, is murkier — and much more interesting. If the value of Pa is very low, it's extremely unlikely that life will form even when the ingredients are there — potentially explaining why humans haven't yet happened to create life in the lab, even if scientists have used the right ingredients, [Columbia University astrophysicist Caleb] Scharf said. But a planet-wide "lab" would increase the odds that life-creating events will occur.



"We might have to wait 100 million years for [a life-creating event] to fall into place just in a test tube," Scharf said. "Whereas on a planet scale, you've got a trillion test tubes — probably even more than that. It's conceivable that, using this equation, playing these games, is hinting at a possible explanation for why we haven't seen life miraculously appearing in our laboratories, that ... there's some subtle thing that has to happen that really doesn't happen often."



And if the scale is larger than planetary, Scharf said, that could further increase the likelihood of life forming.




I suggest you read it again.



Or bone up on abiogenesis.



I'll admit Scharf's equation is fascinating. I've been fascinated by Drake's Equation for decades. This new one is a welcome addition.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2017, 01:20:53 AM
Quote from: "Blurt"Interesting article, Leo.



But it in no way supports your claim (the claim I was referencing was this one: The odds that this will happen TWICE in the universe contains so many zeroes you'd need a telescope to see the last from the first.)



In fact, the article comes to a conclusion very much the opposite of yours.



The value Pa, which is the probability that life will assemble out of those particular building blocks [that are part of the planet's composition] over a given time, is murkier — and much more interesting. If the value of Pa is very low, it's extremely unlikely that life will form even when the ingredients are there — potentially explaining why humans haven't yet happened to create life in the lab, even if scientists have used the right ingredients, [Columbia University astrophysicist Caleb] Scharf said. But a planet-wide "lab" would increase the odds that life-creating events will occur.



"We might have to wait 100 million years for [a life-creating event] to fall into place just in a test tube," Scharf said. "Whereas on a planet scale, you've got a trillion test tubes — probably even more than that. It's conceivable that, using this equation, playing these games, is hinting at a possible explanation for why we haven't seen life miraculously appearing in our laboratories, that ... there's some subtle thing that has to happen that really doesn't happen often."



And if the scale is larger than planetary, Scharf said, that could further increase the likelihood of life forming.




I suggest you read it again.



Or bone up on abiogenesis.



I'll admit Scharf's equation is fascinating. I've been fascinated by Drake's Equation for decades. This new one is a welcome addition.


That is your reading.



The point contained therein maintains that the mathematical odds are STILL prodigious.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: shin on February 24, 2017, 07:34:58 AM
I think extra-terrestrial sentient life, with or without emotional capacity would do good to avoid our increasingly self-polluted blue sphere like the plague.. if they know what's good for them. Seriously, we have a recorded tendency to destroy much of what's around us, move, and then do the same to our new habitat.



We probably wouldn't play well with others once we saw something to gain from taking their bounties and removing them from the equation.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: RW on February 26, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Y'all should stop jacking my thread. :P



Whatever life is out there and statistically there has to be life out there beyond our planet, I highly doubt it will resemble us as we are a product of evolution under very specific conditions, including atmosphere, terrain, weather, and even gravity.  If we are expecting human like life out there, we will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: RW on February 26, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Thank you kiebers.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Quote from: "shin"I think extra-terrestrial sentient life, with or without emotional capacity would do good to avoid our increasingly self-polluted blue sphere like the plague.. if they know what's good for them. Seriously, we have a recorded tendency to destroy much of what's around us, move, and then do the same to our new habitat.



We probably wouldn't play well with others once we saw something to gain from taking their bounties and removing them from the equation.

I think, we are doing pretty well feeding, and housing seven and a half billion souls or it that seouls.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: shin on February 27, 2017, 04:34:03 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "shin"I think extra-terrestrial sentient life, with or without emotional capacity would do good to avoid our increasingly self-polluted blue sphere like the plague.. if they know what's good for them. Seriously, we have a recorded tendency to destroy much of what's around us, move, and then do the same to our new habitat.



We probably wouldn't play well with others once we saw something to gain from taking their bounties and removing them from the equation.

I think, we are doing pretty well feeding, and housing seven and a half billion souls or it that seouls.


I still think there's a lot of poverty and hunger we typically don't see or hear about going on.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2017, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: "shin"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "shin"I think extra-terrestrial sentient life, with or without emotional capacity would do good to avoid our increasingly self-polluted blue sphere like the plague.. if they know what's good for them. Seriously, we have a recorded tendency to destroy much of what's around us, move, and then do the same to our new habitat.



We probably wouldn't play well with others once we saw something to gain from taking their bounties and removing them from the equation.

I think, we are doing pretty well feeding, and housing seven and a half billion souls or it that seouls.


I still think there's a lot of poverty and hunger we typically don't see or hear about going on.

There is a lot of extreme poverty in this world.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: shin on February 28, 2017, 05:30:19 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "shin"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "shin"I think extra-terrestrial sentient life, with or without emotional capacity would do good to avoid our increasingly self-polluted blue sphere like the plague.. if they know what's good for them. Seriously, we have a recorded tendency to destroy much of what's around us, move, and then do the same to our new habitat.



We probably wouldn't play well with others once we saw something to gain from taking their bounties and removing them from the equation.

I think, we are doing pretty well feeding, and housing seven and a half billion souls or it that seouls.


I still think there's a lot of poverty and hunger we typically don't see or hear about going on.

There is a lot of extreme poverty in this world.


I think we in the Western world don't realize how well off we are, even if we fit the definition of American poverty.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2017, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: "shin"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "shin"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "shin"I think extra-terrestrial sentient life, with or without emotional capacity would do good to avoid our increasingly self-polluted blue sphere like the plague.. if they know what's good for them. Seriously, we have a recorded tendency to destroy much of what's around us, move, and then do the same to our new habitat.



We probably wouldn't play well with others once we saw something to gain from taking their bounties and removing them from the equation.

I think, we are doing pretty well feeding, and housing seven and a half billion souls or it that seouls.


I still think there's a lot of poverty and hunger we typically don't see or hear about going on.

There is a lot of extreme poverty in this world.


I think we in the Western world don't realize how well off we are, even if we fit the definition of American poverty.

That's true shin.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Blurt on March 01, 2017, 11:14:56 AM
Whether ET life exists will be a matter to be settled only once our detection instruments become powerful enough.



Chances are virtually nil that any such life has been visiting us; distances are too great.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: shin on March 02, 2017, 05:24:54 AM
Quote from: "Blurt"Whether ET life exists will be a matter to be settled only once our detection instruments become powerful enough.



Chances are virtually nil that any such life has been visiting us; distances are too great.


What about the possibility of microscopic life traveling with comets?
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Blurt on March 04, 2017, 09:38:26 AM
Yes, that seems possible, Shin. Some say this kind of "Panspermic" possibility is what may have led life to flourish on our own world.



But this is a far cry from an intelligent species having built craft that can bridge the gulf of intersidereal space.



It's not even clear yet whether the factor surrounding the survivability of technology in Drake's Equation is, well, survivable.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Blurt on March 04, 2017, 09:43:07 AM
On a related note, I've been part of the SETI@Home (//http) crowd for almost 20 years now.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2017, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: "Blurt"On a related note, I've been part of the SETI@Home (//http) crowd for almost 20 years now.

That seems very interesting Blurt.

 ac_smile
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on March 04, 2017, 12:19:54 PM
Sounds like a bunch of boring old moles and Tupperware.



Fuck that's Blurts,  its the stripper pole, the loom or the fucken highway youse fucken plant fucken rice earn fuc....



Whoops sorry wrong whore, wrong town.



As you were Blurts.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2017, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: "GORDY GAMBINO"Sounds like a bunch of boring old moles and Tupperware.



Fuck that's Blurts,  its the stripper pole, the loom or the fucken highway youse fucken plant fucken rice earn fuc....



Whoops sorry wrong whore, wrong town.



As you were Blurts.

 :confused1:
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: shin on March 06, 2017, 05:39:07 AM
Quote from: "Blurt"Yes, that seems possible, Shin. Some say this kind of "Panspermic" possibility is what may have led life to flourish on our own world.



But this is a far cry from an intelligent species having built craft that can bridge the gulf of intersidereal space.



It's not even clear yet whether the factor surrounding the survivability of technology in Drake's Equation is, well, survivable.


Sometimes when we're discussing science, aliens, and technology, I think you limit your views to what could possibly originate from humanity or an Earthly perspective. It's certainly not erroneous, and I'm no authority on the matters at hand... but the future is always full of unpredictable anomalies and unforseen circumstances.



Perhaps I delve into too much imaginary theories. For when you think outside of the box, I think the box is susceptible to the rules of origami.  :tease:
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: "shin"
Quote from: "Blurt"Yes, that seems possible, Shin. Some say this kind of "Panspermic" possibility is what may have led life to flourish on our own world.



But this is a far cry from an intelligent species having built craft that can bridge the gulf of intersidereal space.



It's not even clear yet whether the factor surrounding the survivability of technology in Drake's Equation is, well, survivable.


Sometimes when we're discussing science, aliens, and technology, I think you limit your views to what could possibly originate from humanity or an Earthly perspective. It's certainly not erroneous, and I'm no authority on the matters at hand... but the future is always full of unpredictable anomalies and unforseen circumstances.



Perhaps I delve into too much imaginary theories. For when you think outside of the box, I think the box is susceptible to the rules of origami.  :tease:

I like origami.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: IRISH KAM on March 06, 2017, 01:32:41 PM
The Hubble telescope has so far revealed aboot 100 Million galaxys oot there .



Even Hubble scientists have said this will Double too 200 Million Galaxys as Telescope technology advances .



So theres NO way we are the only life out there .
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: shin on March 07, 2017, 04:39:04 AM
How can telescopes be real if our eyes aren't real?
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Quote from: "shin"How can telescopes be real if our eyes aren't real?

They're not shin?
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: shin on March 08, 2017, 05:27:05 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "shin"How can telescopes be real if our eyes aren't real?

They're not shin?


It's a play on words of a tweet made by Jaden Smith that was later turned into a meme.



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I thought it was funny at first, but after awhile I just assumed he meant we can't really trust our individual perception as truth. The poor kid seems a little damaged.
Title: Re: Hello? Is there anyone out there?
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2017, 08:57:22 AM
Oh, I see shin.