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Quote from: "seoulbro"A brother this time? Not a friend?

Whatever.

Quote from: "Fashionista"I Wish Calgary had Auston Matthews.

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Quote from: "Fashionista"I Wish Calgary had Auston Matthews.

Calgary is a young team with a lot of promise.



Again, I believe they built their team largely through the draft.



Yet, if they had to adopt my brother's version of it, they'd be cellar dwellers forever, and there'd be no incentive for them to improve. And the league would be full of perennial winners and losers, with a large number of them going broke. Of course, such a system wouldn't be fair. But thanks to a system which favors lower finishing teams, Calgary is back in it, having made the playoffs this year and a respectable finish in the regular season standings.

Quote from: "JOE"I was talking to my brother the other day about how certain professional hockey teams get or have gotten preferential treatment in the draft. That if they finish last in the standings that they are automatically awarded the first pick. Then he cited how the Edmonton Oilers were able to successively finish last in the standings until the managed to secure the first pick one year to get current superstar Connor McDavid.

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Quote from: "JOE"I was talking to my brother the other day about how certain professional hockey teams get or have gotten preferential treatment in the draft. That if they finish last in the standings that they are automatically awarded the first pick. Then he cited how the Edmonton Oilers were able to successively finish last in the standings until the managed to secure the first pick one year to get current superstar Connor McDavid.

Last place teams aren't automatically awarded the first pick. There's been a draft lottery since 1995. When Edmonton was awarded that McDavid first round pick, they had actually finished the season in third-last place.

Quote from: "JOE"I was talking to my brother the other day about how certain professional hockey teams get or have gotten preferential treatment in the draft. That if they finish last in the standings that they are automatically awarded the first pick. Then he cited how the Edmonton Oilers were able to successively finish last in the standings until the managed to secure the first pick one year to get current superstar Connor McDavid. He thought that such a system was unfairly rewarding General Managers and teams for their incompetence for losing.



To which I replied, I don't think so. I figger when teams are bad, perhaps it's the draft which is their only way out of the cellar. And then there's the other factor where some teams are ultra rich and can buy themselves a contender - such as the New York Rangers. So if they don't have such a mechanism to level the playing field, then the poor teams will always remain at the bottom of the standings. There'll never be any parity, and it would never enable small market teams such as Nashville or the Columbus Blue Jackets to rise and become respectable like they are today.



Then I turned to the topic of players who get paid unusually high salaries and relatively speaking are underperformers. There are a number of teams who have players making $10 million US per year, and yet have never won a championship, let alone a scoring title. ie - a Zach Parise, whose salary this year was $9,000,000 US and his output was 19 goals. That's roughly $500,000 US per goal.



To put that into perspective, there are players in the Hockey Hall of Fame who earned less than $500,000 in their entire career who won countless championships, such as the late great Jean Beliveau. Beliveau was in the NHL for 18 seasons and won the Stanley Cup 10 times. And he was in the Stanley Cup final 3 times in a losing cause. So win or lose, he was in the final 3/4 of his entire career. According to him, his entire career earnings were about $450,000. Factor in inflation in that might be $6 to 8 million in today's dollars - but for 18 seasons. that would translate into just $500,000 a year. He was one of the best players of his time and perhaps all time and yet he made practically nothin' compared with today's Super Duds. Given that his career output was over 500 goals in regular season play, that was less than $1,000 a goal. or in today's money, about $15,000.



Anyways, make a long story short, I suggested to my brother that today's players should be paid on their actual performance, not on their expected outcome. I suggested to him, that this would incentivize what the players make rather than award underperformance. This would improve the quality of play in the NHL considerably. So it would be more along the lines of professional golf or tennis, where if a player wins, he makes lots of money. And if doesn't make anything. Therefore, under such a scenario, a player like Sidney Crosby would make his $10,000,000 for his championships, and an underperformer like Parise would only make a fraction of that.



Again, we got into another argument, and this made him really upset. I'm not entirely sure why this is the case. Perhaps it upset him that I was upending an illusion that the NHL is not the holy grail or golden standard of professional hockey excellence? And that they could do some things differently to improve what is otherwise a lacklustre product.



Anyways, trivial random musings. A change in values and the times. But perhaps it's also an indicator what people value now - and the value often isn't there anymore.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"NHL players are not worth the money they make.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"NHL players are not worth the money they make.

Quote from: "Shen Li"If you feel athletes and entertainers are overpaid, do something about it.



Stop going to their concerts and games.

Quote[/b] Stop  downloading their songs.  

QuoteStop watching their movies, shows and games.

Quote Stop buying their products they endorse.

QuoteStop following them on Twitter and Instagram.

QuoteYou have the power to do something about it. However, if you are doing those things and bitching, you only have urself to blame

Quote from: "shin"These days, athletes tend to be awarded contracts based on their recent performance.



You can't really compare how much money players of the past made to today.



Arguably, no entertainer or athlete is worth what they get paid if they're making millions of dollars... but I think you'll find some of the more grueling jobs pay the least. It's probably not going to be a fair work for fair pay system in our little world anytime soon because how the division of wealth is currently structured.



I noticed that in the NHL the teams that go the furthest in the standings tend to have repeat success over the last decade or so. The draft used to be a better idea in sports when so many teams weren't buying and trading their picks and positions.

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Quote from: "shin"These days, athletes tend to be awarded contracts based on their recent performance.



You can't really compare how much money players of the past made to today.



Arguably, no entertainer or athlete is worth what they get paid if they're making millions of dollars... but I think you'll find some of the more grueling jobs pay the least. It's probably not going to be a fair work for fair pay system in our little world anytime soon because how the division of wealth is currently structured.



I noticed that in the NHL the teams that go the furthest in the standings tend to have repeat success over the last decade or so. The draft used to be a better idea in sports when so many teams weren't buying and trading their picks and positions.

Top draft picks don't always work out though shin.

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Quote from: "shin"These days, athletes tend to be awarded contracts based on their recent performance.



You can't really compare how much money players of the past made to today.



Arguably, no entertainer or athlete is worth what they get paid if they're making millions of dollars... but I think you'll find some of the more grueling jobs pay the least. It's probably not going to be a fair work for fair pay system in our little world anytime soon because how the division of wealth is currently structured.



I noticed that in the NHL the teams that go the furthest in the standings tend to have repeat success over the last decade or so. The draft used to be a better idea in sports when so many teams weren't buying and trading their picks and positions.

Top draft picks don't always work out though shin.

It's definitely a big gamble to invest heavily in a draft pick. Some teams have been fortunate to win championships with young players, but it usually takes a seasoned player with experience to put them over the top.

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Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "shin"These days, athletes tend to be awarded contracts based on their recent performance.



You can't really compare how much money players of the past made to today.



Arguably, no entertainer or athlete is worth what they get paid if they're making millions of dollars... but I think you'll find some of the more grueling jobs pay the least. It's probably not going to be a fair work for fair pay system in our little world anytime soon because how the division of wealth is currently structured.



I noticed that in the NHL the teams that go the furthest in the standings tend to have repeat success over the last decade or so. The draft used to be a better idea in sports when so many teams weren't buying and trading their picks and positions.

Top draft picks don't always work out though shin.

It's definitely a big gamble to invest heavily in a draft pick. Some teams have been fortunate to win championships with young players, but it usually takes a seasoned player with experience to put them over the top.

The best player on the Calgary Flames, Johnny Gaudreau  was a low draft pick..



Edmonton has had at least two first over all draft picks that failed to meet expectations..



Connor McDavid is the exception.

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I think some of the lower picked players feel the need to try harder to shine.



The bigger stars often lose sight of giving it their all, especially if they already signed a big contract. Conversely, the more overlooked players who were 2nd and 3rd round picks are often still great players who haven't reached their full potential early enough to appease the scouts. Given the right circumstances, they can still be all stars.



I found a list of great NHl players who were low draft picks.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/798310-pavel-datsyuk-and-the-best-nhl-players-drafted-later-than-100th-overall



I was really surprised that 206 players were picked before Dominik Hasek.

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I think some of the lower picked players feel the need to try harder to shine.



The bigger stars often lose sight of giving it their all, especially if they already signed a big contract. Conversely, the more overlooked players who were 2nd and 3rd round picks are often still great players who haven't reached their full potential early enough to appease the scouts. Given the right circumstances, they can still be all stars.



I found a list of great NHl players who were low draft picks.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/798310-pavel-datsyuk-and-the-best-nhl-players-drafted-later-than-100th-overall



I was really surprised that 206 players were picked before Dominik Hasek.

The best player on the Calgary Flames, Johnny Gaudreau was a very low draft pick and most likely would have been a career farm team player if he hadn't got a break and made the most of it..



Being a star in junior does not translate into stardom at the pro level..



The game is very different and the players much bigger and stronger..



They don't get the open ice like they did in junior A hockey.

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Quote from: "shin"
I think some of the lower picked players feel the need to try harder to shine.



The bigger stars often lose sight of giving it their all, especially if they already signed a big contract. Conversely, the more overlooked players who were 2nd and 3rd round picks are often still great players who haven't reached their full potential early enough to appease the scouts. Given the right circumstances, they can still be all stars.



I found a list of great NHl players who were low draft picks.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/798310-pavel-datsyuk-and-the-best-nhl-players-drafted-later-than-100th-overall



I was really surprised that 206 players were picked before Dominik Hasek.

The best player on the Calgary Flames, Johnny Gaudreau was a very low draft pick and most likely would have been a career farm team player if he hadn't got a break and made the most of it..



Being a star in junior does not translate into stardom at the pro level..



The game is very different and the players much bigger and stronger..



They don't get the open ice like they did in junior A hockey.

I've never seen what the minor leagues of hockey are like. I've only passively watched the NHL here, and they didn't really start airing the games on TV until the last 10-15 years.

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Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "shin"
I think some of the lower picked players feel the need to try harder to shine.



The bigger stars often lose sight of giving it their all, especially if they already signed a big contract. Conversely, the more overlooked players who were 2nd and 3rd round picks are often still great players who haven't reached their full potential early enough to appease the scouts. Given the right circumstances, they can still be all stars.



I found a list of great NHl players who were low draft picks.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/798310-pavel-datsyuk-and-the-best-nhl-players-drafted-later-than-100th-overall



I was really surprised that 206 players were picked before Dominik Hasek.

The best player on the Calgary Flames, Johnny Gaudreau was a very low draft pick and most likely would have been a career farm team player if he hadn't got a break and made the most of it..



Being a star in junior does not translate into stardom at the pro level..



The game is very different and the players much bigger and stronger..



They don't get the open ice like they did in junior A hockey.

I've never seen what the minor leagues of hockey are like. I've only passively watched the NHL here, and they didn't really start airing the games on TV until the last 10-15 years.

You've never watched the world juniors over Christmas holidays?

 ac_wot

My husband says that's the best hockey in the world.

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Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "shin"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "shin"
I think some of the lower picked players feel the need to try harder to shine.



The bigger stars often lose sight of giving it their all, especially if they already signed a big contract. Conversely, the more overlooked players who were 2nd and 3rd round picks are often still great players who haven't reached their full potential early enough to appease the scouts. Given the right circumstances, they can still be all stars.



I found a list of great NHl players who were low draft picks.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/798310-pavel-datsyuk-and-the-best-nhl-players-drafted-later-than-100th-overall



I was really surprised that 206 players were picked before Dominik Hasek.

The best player on the Calgary Flames, Johnny Gaudreau was a very low draft pick and most likely would have been a career farm team player if he hadn't got a break and made the most of it..



Being a star in junior does not translate into stardom at the pro level..



The game is very different and the players much bigger and stronger..



They don't get the open ice like they did in junior A hockey.

I've never seen what the minor leagues of hockey are like. I've only passively watched the NHL here, and they didn't really start airing the games on TV until the last 10-15 years.

You've never watched the world juniors over Christmas holidays?

 ac_wot

My husband says that's the best hockey in the world.

I don't even know what that is.