Title: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 10:20:20 PM
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Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 10:30:36 PM
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 10:30:36 PM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 10:39:27 PM
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 10:39:27 PM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 11:43:28 PM
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 11:43:28 PM
Remember Sandy Hook...etc..
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 11:49:10 PM
Post by: realgrimm on May 23, 2017, 11:49:10 PM
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Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 12:11:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 12:11:30 AM
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Islam is an ideology, not a religion.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 24, 2017, 12:26:28 AM
Post by: realgrimm on May 24, 2017, 12:26:28 AM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 12:32:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 12:32:51 AM
ummm they both have bibles no? like the Koran with principals and morals dictated to them or they are kept outta heaven right?Quote from: "realgrimm"
Islam is a political and legal system and a conquering ideology. It's like marxism or fascism, not any religion. The reason the West cannot deal with Islam effectively is that we are in denial about what it is. And what Islam is not is a just religion.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 24, 2017, 03:16:19 PM
Post by: RW on May 24, 2017, 03:16:19 PM
ummm they both have bibles no? like the Koran with principals and morals dictated to them or they are kept outta heaven right?Quote from: "realgrimm"
Islam is a political and legal system and a conquering ideology. It's like marxism or fascism, not any religion. The reason the West cannot deal with Islam effectively is that we are in denial about what it is. And what Islam is not is a just religion.
Has Christianity had nothing to do with politics, legal systems and consequering?
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:22:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:22:44 PM
ummm they both have bibles no? like the Koran with principals and morals dictated to them or they are kept outta heaven right?Quote from: "realgrimm"
Islam is a political and legal system and a conquering ideology. It's like marxism or fascism, not any religion. The reason the West cannot deal with Islam effectively is that we are in denial about what it is. And what Islam is not is a just religion.
Has Christianity had nothing to do with politics, legal systems and consequering?
Christianity is a relationship with God thorough Jesus Christ, not a legal or political system.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:31:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:31:26 PM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:47:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:47:49 PM
Muhammad... Jesus...
Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206) "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."(John 8:7)
"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33) "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."(Matthew 26:52)
Permitted lying.(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857) "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901) Neither owned nor traded slaves.
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390) Beheaded no one.
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241) Preached forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194) "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645) "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50) Was celibate.
Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236) Did not have sex with children.
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995) Never harmed a woman.
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
(Quran 9:123) "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)
Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq ) Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451) Never took captives. Never killed anyone.
Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24) Never encouraged rape. Never enslaved women.
Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41) "The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve." (Matthew 20:28)
Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764) Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39) "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew5:44)
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440) Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743) Washed his disciples feet (John 13:5)
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149) What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thysellf (Matthew 22:34-40)
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102) Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)
Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute. Died without possessions. Demanded nothing for himself.
Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131) Was crucified himself. Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:54:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 03:54:24 PM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 04:02:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 04:02:07 PM
In an ideal world, we might wish that secular Muslims win the war of ideas, but it is difficult to see how this might happen. If Islam is fundamentally different than Christianity, then there is little reason to think it will (or even should) follow a similar path of a reformation then enlightenment.What does this mean for everyone else? It means Western observers need to do something uncomfortable and difficult. They will need to accept Islam's vital and varied role in politics and formulate policies with that in mind, rather than hoping for secularizing outcomes that are unlikely anytime soon, if ever.Quote
Shami Hamid
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 24, 2017, 06:29:26 PM
Post by: RW on May 24, 2017, 06:29:26 PM
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 24, 2017, 07:59:29 PM
Post by: RW on May 24, 2017, 07:59:29 PM
ummm they both have bibles no? like the Koran with principals and morals dictated to them or they are kept outta heaven right?Quote from: "realgrimm"
Islam is a political and legal system and a conquering ideology. It's like marxism or fascism, not any religion. The reason the West cannot deal with Islam effectively is that we are in denial about what it is. And what Islam is not is a just religion.
Has Christianity had nothing to do with politics, legal systems and consequering?
Christianity is a relationship with God thorough Jesus Christ, not a legal or political system.
I'm not disputing your definition, but in practice, Christianity is the world's biggest religion with over 2.4 billion followers and has had a significant influence on many aspects including law and politics. Apparently, there are 613 commandments in the Old Testament that oversee moral, judicial, and religious behavior. These commandments can be found in many laws, including laws we still see today. To think you can separate religion from things like law and politics seems unrealistic.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 10:21:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2017, 10:21:57 PM
I didn't compare Jesus (who is also a prophet in Islam BTW) to Mohammed. I merely pointed to the influences Christianity has had on politics, law, etc.Quote from: "RW"
Since Islam says Christ is a prophet than comparing him to a bloodthirsty warlord like Mohammad who Islam says is the final prophet is more than fair.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 01:25:01 AM
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 01:25:01 AM
I didn't compare Jesus (who is also a prophet in Islam BTW) to Mohammed. I merely pointed to the influences Christianity has had on politics, law, etc.Quote from: "RW"
Since Islam says Christ is a prophet than comparing him to a bloodthirsty warlord like Mohammad who Islam says is the final prophet is more than fair.
Sorry IHJ but say what? I'm not following.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 04:14:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 04:14:02 AM
Unlike Jesus Christ, the Prophet Muhammad was a theologian, a preacher, a warrior and a politician, all at once. He was also the leader and builder of a new state, capturing, holding and governing new territory.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
I do not deny from my cursory search that Islam was founded on more than just spiritual matters like other religions.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Aryan on May 25, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
Post by: Aryan on May 25, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
However I believe that the latest one in Manchester, England (only a few miles away from where I live) was an actual Jihadist attack.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
Unlike Jesus Christ, the Prophet Muhammad was a theologian, a preacher, a warrior and a politician, all at once. He was also the leader and builder of a new state, capturing, holding and governing new territory.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
I do not deny from my cursory search that Islam was founded on more than just spiritual matters like other religions.
Like Christianity and Judaism, Islam is an Abrahamic religion (The Abrahamic religions, also referred to collectively as Abrahamism, are a group of Semitic-originated religious sects that claim descent from the practices of the ancient Israelites and the worship of the God of Abraham. The term derives from a figure from the Bible known as Abraham.). Abraham in Islam is considered to be one of the first Muslims (with Adam of the garden of Eden fame being the first). Mohammed is the last of the prophets in Islam. From a modern historical perspective, Mohammed was the founder of Islam but from the perspective of the Islam, he was just another prophet and messenger of God.
Many think Islam and Judaism and Christianity are all so different but they share origins and even prophets. It's the differences beyond their origins that separate them.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 03:30:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 03:30:24 PM
Having said that, I have nothing against Muslims. But, Islam is more just a religion. A lot more in fact. So comparisons with conquering and competing ideologies are just as fair as comparisons with religions IMO.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 04:21:46 PM
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 04:21:46 PM
^^I have heard that line many times. Mohammad copied and pasted from Judeo-Christian tradition to distract from his blood lust.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Having said that, I have nothing against Muslims. But, Islam is more just a religion. A lot more in fact. So comparisons with conquering and competing ideologies are just as fair as comparisons with religions IMO.
All I have done is point out religious influences outside Islam that have lead to the establishment of laws we still use today. To say Christianity doesn't influence politics or law is, in practise, untrue. I could also go into all the conquering done in the name of Christian religions but I don't think I need to labour the point.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: cc on May 25, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Post by: cc on May 25, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Sorry for the garbled mess, but we get the picture. Comparing Jesus to Mohammad is like comparing the late Mother Theresa to Genghis Khan.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
or to another slaughterer ... Mohammad
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
Sorry for the garbled mess, but we get the picture. Comparing Jesus to Mohammad is like comparing the late Mother Theresa to Genghis Khan.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
or to another slaughterer ... Mohammad
The king of mass murder.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
Sorry for the garbled mess, but we get the picture. Comparing Jesus to Mohammad is like comparing the late Mother Theresa to Genghis Khan.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
or to another slaughterer ... Mohammad
The king of mass murder.
How many people did he murder to earn that title?
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: cc on May 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
Post by: cc on May 26, 2017, 12:29:41 AM
The king of mass murder would not be MoQuote
He didn't murder the most .... just lots and many extremely cruelly.
The Hadith, one of islam's 3 books and the sordid story of Mo, contains details / celebrations of an endless string of murders, some for power, some for revenge and some for sport / fun. There's lots in the Kanny told in the 1st person also
My little brain can't wrap itself around what is in the heads of those who follow such a confessed cruel monster ... and how they could bring themselves to support and worship him .. Frankly, I find that part of it quite disconcerting
People need to read the books to get a first hand handle on what the whole enchilada is REALLY all about
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 01:51:39 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 01:51:39 AM
Sorry for the garbled mess, but we get the picture. Comparing Jesus to Mohammad is like comparing the late Mother Theresa to Genghis Khan.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
or to another slaughterer ... Mohammad
The king of mass murder.
How many people did he murder to earn that title?
You can't put a number on it since people slaughtering innocents today according to the murderer's orders.
But, at least we agree he was sick, murdering warlord. We're just splitting jairs over the death count he is responsible for.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 10:40:35 AM
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 10:40:35 AM
Sorry for the garbled mess, but we get the picture. Comparing Jesus to Mohammad is like comparing the late Mother Theresa to Genghis Khan.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
or to another slaughterer ... Mohammad
The king of mass murder.
How many people did he murder to earn that title?
You can't put a number on it since people slaughtering innocents today according to the murderer's orders.
But, at least we agree he was sick, murdering warlord. We're just splitting jairs over the death count he is responsible for.
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
The king of mass murder would not be MoQuote
He didn't murder the most .... just lots and many extremely cruelly.
The Hadith, one of islam's 3 books and the sordid story of Mo, contains details / celebrations of an endless string of murders, some for power, some for revenge and some for sport / fun. There's lots in the Kanny told in the 1st person also
My little brain can't wrap itself around what is in the heads of those who follow such a confessed cruel monster ... and how they could bring themselves to support and worship him .. Frankly, I find that part of it quite disconcerting
People need to read the books to get a first hand handle on what the whole enchilada is REALLY all about
Cc, I'm not playing forum telephone with you where you address me through someone else. Sorry.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 04:08:30 PM
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 04:08:30 PM
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
What a frickin idiot RW is. Everyone shows this idiotic life support system for a vagina that Mo was a killing machine who fooled retards like herself into believing he was a religious figure/founder and this is the best the retarded cunt can do. "How many did he kill?" What a stupid deflection. What a stupid deflection. He killed a lot and he would have killed you, you stunned cunt.
Why is this a hard question? The guy lived a life. He supposed murdered shitters of people during it. How many people did he kill?
Come on Herman. Surely given how much you know about Mohammed, you should be able to easily provide a figure from a reputable historical source.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 04:11:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 04:11:06 PM
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
What a frickin idiot RW is. Everyone shows this idiotic life support system for a vagina that Mo was a killing machine who fooled retards like herself into believing he was a religious figure/founder and this is the best the retarded cunt can do. "How many did he kill?" What a stupid deflection. What a stupid deflection. He killed a lot and he would have killed you, you stunned cunt.
God, you're an asshole. Some of us disagree, but we're civil. I'm going to request Fash or kiebers move this to RR where it belongs.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
What a frickin idiot RW is. Everyone shows this idiotic life support system for a vagina that Mo was a killing machine who fooled retards like herself into believing he was a religious figure/founder and this is the best the retarded cunt can do. "How many did he kill?" What a stupid deflection. What a stupid deflection. He killed a lot and he would have killed you, you stunned cunt.
God, you're an asshole. Some of us disagree, but we're civil. I'm going to request Fash or kiebers move this to RR where it belongs.
Herman should be locked in there with it. He cannot be civil despite numerous warnings. Time to make good on the threats to banish him IMHO.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
What a frickin idiot RW is. Everyone shows this idiotic life support system for a vagina that Mo was a killing machine who fooled retards like herself into believing he was a religious figure/founder and this is the best the retarded cunt can do. "How many did he kill?" What a stupid deflection. What a stupid deflection. He killed a lot and he would have killed you, you stunned cunt.
God, you're an asshole. Some of us disagree, but we're civil. I'm going to request Fash or kiebers move this to RR where it belongs.
Herman should be locked in there with it. He cannot be civil despite numerous warnings. Time to make good on the threats to banish him IMHO.
You're right.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: realgrimm on May 26, 2017, 06:27:44 PM
Post by: realgrimm on May 26, 2017, 06:27:44 PM
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
What a frickin idiot RW is. Everyone shows this idiotic life support system for a vagina that Mo was a killing machine who fooled retards like herself into believing he was a religious figure/founder and this is the best the retarded cunt can do. "How many did he kill?" What a stupid deflection. What a stupid deflection. He killed a lot and he would have killed you, you stunned cunt.
God, you're an asshole. Some of us disagree, but we're civil. I'm going to request Fash or kiebers move this to RR where it belongs.
threads not going anywhere Chief, I was told before I started this thread it was allowed on the main board.. Why don't you shut your judgement button off loser.. You prattle on with your judgments like people care
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 06:31:26 PM
Post by: RW on May 26, 2017, 06:31:26 PM
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
What a frickin idiot RW is. Everyone shows this idiotic life support system for a vagina that Mo was a killing machine who fooled retards like herself into believing he was a religious figure/founder and this is the best the retarded cunt can do. "How many did he kill?" What a stupid deflection. What a stupid deflection. He killed a lot and he would have killed you, you stunned cunt.
God, you're an asshole. Some of us disagree, but we're civil. I'm going to request Fash or kiebers move this to RR where it belongs.
threads not going anywhere Chief, I was told before I started this thread it was allowed on the main board.. Why don't you shut your judgement button off loser.. You prattle on with your judgments like people care
I think he just meant Herman's post. There is clearly nothing wrong with your thread.
Title: Re: How to Spot False Flags
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
No one is agreeing or splitting hairs. I'm asking for you to provide me with a link to how many people Mohammed murdered to earn the title you bestowed upon him. Surely there's a record with a number of kills because you've mentioned it so you have had to base it on something. So what's the number and where did you get your figure from?
What a frickin idiot RW is. Everyone shows this idiotic life support system for a vagina that Mo was a killing machine who fooled retards like herself into believing he was a religious figure/founder and this is the best the retarded cunt can do. "How many did he kill?" What a stupid deflection. What a stupid deflection. He killed a lot and he would have killed you, you stunned cunt.
Whoa. Down another jug of moonshine rig pig.