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Title: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: JOE on May 24, 2017, 11:37:17 PM
Girl with 4.0 average barred from her high school graduation because she is pregnant:



https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/24/pregnant-teen-banned-from-attending-high-school-graduation.html



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Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 02:16:12 AM
Hardly news worthy.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 04:08:24 AM
Quote from: "JOE"Girl with 4.0 average barred from her high school graduation because she is pregnant:



https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/24/pregnant-teen-banned-from-attending-high-school-graduation.html



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Oh no, tell me this isn't true.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Renee on May 25, 2017, 08:12:14 AM
Well looky here....Joe is showing off his fear of the US again by singling out another case of societal dysfunction from the extreme end of the social spectrum.



Another fascinating post from chicken shit Joe... :laugh3:



Frankly I'm dissapointed that he didn't try to turn this into one of his famous "I have a friend who has a pregnant daughter..yadda, yadda,....horseshit...threads. :nea:
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: realgrimm on May 25, 2017, 09:39:37 AM
(Didn't read the article) But she did her time,she deserves her rewards unless its a safety concern then they can't be held liable sign a piece of paper
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: "Renee"


Frankly I'm dissapointed that he didn't try to turn this into one of his famous "I have a friend who has a pregnant daughter..yadda, yadda,....horseshit...threads. :nea:

So true Renee. Maybe offer to drive her to the grad for free in his pretend limo driving job.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Romero on May 25, 2017, 04:02:43 PM
Similar to the Trinity Western thing some of us were discussing a while ago.



It's such a stupid rule. She could have got an abortion and they wouldn't have known. Every other student can have all the sex they want and the school wouldn't know.



Punishing a woman for having a child? Those are some pretty messed up values.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: "Romero"Similar to the Trinity Western thing some of us were discussing a while ago.



It's such a stupid rule. She could have got an abortion and they wouldn't have known. Every other student can have all the sex they want and the school wouldn't know.



Punishing a woman for having a child? Those are some pretty messed up values.

Who the hell cares besides the girl and her parents? The school can't  stop her from graduating anyway.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Romero on May 25, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"Who the hell cares besides the girl and her parents?

Ha ha, the person with the most posts in this thread is trying to figure out why anyone cares.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: RW on May 25, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: "Romero"Similar to the Trinity Western thing some of us were discussing a while ago.



It's such a stupid rule. She could have got an abortion and they wouldn't have known. Every other student can have all the sex they want and the school wouldn't know.



Punishing a woman for having a child? Those are some pretty messed up values.

I agree.  On one hand they want to discourage abortions but when you carry a child to term, you are punished for it?  



Damned if you do.  Damned if you don't.



I also want to remind people that this is a general discussion forum.  If every time someone posts something or shares something you tell them to shut up, there won't be any posts.  I'd much rather read an article posted by Joe than the bullshit posts telling him to stuff it.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: JOE on May 25, 2017, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: "Renee"Well looky here....Joe is showing off his fear of the US again by singling out another case of societal dysfunction from the extreme end of the social spectrum.



Another fascinating post from chicken shit Joe... :laugh3:



Frankly I'm dissapointed that he didn't try to turn this into one of his famous "I have a friend who has a pregnant daughter..yadda, yadda,....horseshit...threads. :nea:


I just posted it Renn because I came across the article while searching for another about the recent British Columbia election in which there was a minority government. I suppose that'd be similar to a scenario where the US Congress produced an insufficient number of seats to pass legislation and the had to depend upon the Green Party or Libertarians to pass anything.



Anyways about the girl I thought the school should've allowed the girl to attend and offered her moral support. Btw Renm I'm pro choice and pro contraception. We need to dramatically reduce the human population in a humane way through attrition. If that girl had been given proper sex education and access to contraceptives and abortion if she needed it, none of this would've ever happened, eh Renn?



Anyways because of your potty mouth as of late, I shall be forced to report you and have you at least temporarily suspended  from this forum.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2017, 08:33:21 PM
Quote from: "Romero"Similar to the Trinity Western thing some of us were discussing a while ago.



It's such a stupid rule. She could have got an abortion and they wouldn't have known. Every other student can have all the sex they want and the school wouldn't know.



Punishing a woman for having a child? Those are some pretty messed up values.

Muslims would have stoned her to death.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 26, 2017, 12:42:23 AM
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Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2017, 01:36:24 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet".

You just ramble on don't you. :laugh3:
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: RW on May 27, 2017, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

And if she was raped?



There actually could possibly be a case for discrimination based on family status if a person in your children's school was expelled for pregnancy.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2017, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

And if she was raped?



There actually could possibly be a case for discrimination based on family status if a person in your children's school was expelled for pregnancy.

The article never said that girl in Maryland was raped.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: RW on May 27, 2017, 04:23:17 PM
I wasn't referencing the woman in the article.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2017, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: "RW"I wasn't referencing the woman in the article.

I gathered that, but the thread was not about rape. It was about a kid who broke the rules at a private Christian school.



Having posted with Fash for nearly five years, I have no doubt in my mind she would do  anything she could to comfort any child in that situation. Punishment for the victim would not happen.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: RW on May 27, 2017, 05:06:15 PM
I thought we were discussing school rules, not whether Fash is a kind woman, which I already know her to be.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2017, 04:42:40 AM
Quote from: "RW"I thought we were discussing school rules, not whether Fash is a kind woman, which I already know her to be.

We are and I said it was about a kid who broke the rules at a private Christian school. The latter was about your question about rape.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2017, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

And if she was raped?



There actually could possibly be a case for discrimination based on family status if a person in your children's school was expelled for pregnancy.

We have a teacher in the primary school who was raped as a teenager by a drunken friend of her father and became pregnant..



She had an abortion, and spent several years hooked on drugs and estranged from her alcoholic family..



She became saved and went back to school and became a teacher..



She's a respected teacher by students, staff and parents..



So, to answer your question, any female student in my children's school would receive love and support if they had lived through an ordeal like that..



There would be no talk of punishment only compassion.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2017, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

And if she was raped?



There actually could possibly be a case for discrimination based on family status if a person in your children's school was expelled for pregnancy.

We have a teacher in the primary school who was raped as a teenager by a drunken friend of her father and became pregnant..



She had an abortion, and spent several years hooked on drugs and estranged from her alcoholic family..



She became saved and went back to school and became a teacher..



She's a respected teacher by students, staff and parents..



So, to answer your question, any female student in my children's school would receive love and support if they had lived through an ordeal like that..



There would be no talk of punishment only compassion.

islam demands women be killed for the crime of being raped. :crazy:
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: RW on May 28, 2017, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

And if she was raped?



There actually could possibly be a case for discrimination based on family status if a person in your children's school was expelled for pregnancy.

We have a teacher in the primary school who was raped as a teenager by a drunken friend of her father and became pregnant..



She had an abortion, and spent several years hooked on drugs and estranged from her alcoholic family..



She became saved and went back to school and became a teacher..



She's a respected teacher by students, staff and parents..



So, to answer your question, any female student in my children's school would receive love and support if they had lived through an ordeal like that..



There would be no talk of punishment only compassion.

islam demands women be killed for the crime of being raped. :crazy:

Really?  Where?
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2017, 02:27:25 AM
Rape doesn't exist in the Quran. The whole concept of sex without consent isn't even acknowledged as an entity.



There isn't even a word for "rape". The word used for a sex crime is zinaa, defined as "unlawful sexual intercourse" - which includes only two things: (i) fornication (pre-marital sex); and (ii) adultery (extra-marital sex).



Consent is not a factor. This makes sense in a book written from the point of view of men. The concept of consent is one that was much more important to women, for obvious reasons - and sex crimes violating consent, like rape, are simply not acknowledged.



The phrase zinaa bil jabr, which is used by some Islamic scholars (mainly South Asian ones) to refer to rape, does not appear in the Quran.



So in the Quran, sex is classified into only two categories: (i) lawful sex (with wives and slave-girls); and (ii) unlawful sex (fornication or adultery).



That is the only distinction, and those are the only classifications.



The word zinaa word causes a lot of confusion. The Quran requires four male witnesses (verses 4:15 and 24:4) to prove that zinaa occurred. This means that fornication and adultery are hard to prove, which would actually protect the perpetrators from punishment. But modern Islamic societies take the word zinaa and apply it to rape, placing the responsibility of providing four male witnesses on the rape victim. If she is unable to provide four witnesses, she is subject to either a hundred lashes (punishment for zinaa in the Quran) or death by stoning (punishment for zinaa in the hadith).
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2017, 05:37:53 AM
A girl broke a school rule and was punished for it. Oh heavens no. :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: RW on May 29, 2017, 11:54:21 AM
What's your source on that IHJ?  I noticed you left it out.



Here's what I found in multiple places:



Rape, known in Islam as zina bi al-ikrah, is generally defined by Muslim jurists as forced intercourse by a man with a woman who is not his wife and without her consent. It is a crime punishable against the rapist with a hadd penalty - stoning (if he is a married person) or lashings (if he is unmarried) - just as he would receive for ordinary zina (unlawful intercourse). There is no punishment for the rape victim. Jurists disagree on whether the rapist must also pay a dowry as compensation to the victim. A controversial position of some modern jurists is that the hadd penalty for outlaws should apply to rapists (hadd Hirabah), described in Qur'an 5:33. Others say that rape can be treated by the judge as an offence that receives Tazir (discretionary) punishment (as in Pakistan, for example). These approaches avoid the impractical four witnesses requirement for applying a zina hadd penalty when there is no confession.



http://irep.iium.edu.my/16877/1/PUNISHMENT_FOR_RAPE_IN_ISLAMIC_LAW.pdf
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Romero on May 29, 2017, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

But if she had an abortion or didn't become pregnant, she wouldn't be punished.



She's being punished while other students can have all the sex and abortions they wan't and get away with it. Kinda sending the wrong message, isn't it?
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2017, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

But if she had an abortion or didn't become pregnant, she wouldn't be punished.



She's being punished while other students can have all the sex and abortions they wan't and get away with it. Kinda sending the wrong message, isn't it?

The school says this "emphasizes abstinence and tells students to "maintain their purity until their wedding night."



"We teach our students about the beauty of marriage and that sex inside of marriage is one of the things that is beautiful about marriage,"



and



"The breach of a standard of abstinence is a grievous choice," he said in an interview. "Maddi made a grievous choice. We do believe in forgiveness, but forgiveness does not mean there's no accountability."

If the school is not enforcing discipline for all students that is a problem, I agree..



But, those are the rules and they are similar to what my children's school has.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2017, 03:57:19 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Rape doesn't exist in the Quran. The whole concept of sex without consent isn't even acknowledged as an entity.



There isn't even a word for "rape". The word used for a sex crime is zinaa, defined as "unlawful sexual intercourse" - which includes only two things: (i) fornication (pre-marital sex); and (ii) adultery (extra-marital sex).



Consent is not a factor. This makes sense in a book written from the point of view of men. The concept of consent is one that was much more important to women, for obvious reasons - and sex crimes violating consent, like rape, are simply not acknowledged.



The phrase zinaa bil jabr, which is used by some Islamic scholars (mainly South Asian ones) to refer to rape, does not appear in the Quran.



So in the Quran, sex is classified into only two categories: (i) lawful sex (with wives and slave-girls); and (ii) unlawful sex (fornication or adultery).



That is the only distinction, and those are the only classifications.



The word zinaa word causes a lot of confusion. The Quran requires four male witnesses (verses 4:15 and 24:4) to prove that zinaa occurred. This means that fornication and adultery are hard to prove, which would actually protect the perpetrators from punishment. But modern Islamic societies take the word zinaa and apply it to rape, placing the responsibility of providing four male witnesses on the rape victim. If she is unable to provide four witnesses, she is subject to either a hundred lashes (punishment for zinaa in the Quran) or death by stoning (punishment for zinaa in the hadith).

That would have to be allegorical if it is in Islamic texts iron horse jockey.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2017, 06:55:01 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

But if she had an abortion or didn't become pregnant, she wouldn't be punished.



She's being punished while other students can have all the sex and abortions they wan't and get away with it. Kinda sending the wrong message, isn't it?

But, it's okay for a public school to discriminate against all girls right princess.
Title: Re: Girl can't attend High School Graduation because she is pregnant
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2017, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The same thing would happen at my children's school..



Sexual relations is grounds for expulsion..



She broke the rules, so there has to be consequences.

But if she had an abortion or didn't become pregnant, she wouldn't be punished.



She's being punished while other students can have all the sex and abortions they wan't and get away with it. Kinda sending the wrong message, isn't it?

But, it's okay for a public school to discriminate against all girls right princess.

I don't have a problem with any private Muslim school having rules that are built on Muslim teachings, just like my children's school has rules connected to our faith..



But, Muslims or Christians cannot expect the secular public school system to accommodate their beliefs.
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