Yup, it's true.
I wanted to spend the evening drinking a few brews, and listen to Randy and the Rainbows, but now I wash sheets, and wait for the vinegar to dry.
You see, I believe vinegar neutralizes the piss, so I dumped a liter of Heinz Vinegar on the piss. THAT should solve that problem!
Problem is, it will take some time for the vinegar to completely dry. So now I can sit here listening to Denise, Denise, drinking a few brews, while the smell of vinegar is still wafting through the condo...
Denise, Denise, I'm so in love with you! :sm(38): :sm(38): :sm(38):
Oh my goodness Mel..
Don't you think this is a clue you should give up alcohol?
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Oh my goodness Mel..
Don't you think this is a clue you should give up alcohol?
Good thing I'm single!
What kind of woman would want to wake up beside me drenched in my cold, wet piss!!!
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Oh my goodness Mel..
Don't you think this is a clue you should give up alcohol?
Good thing I'm single!
What kind of woman would want to wake up beside me drenched in my cold, wet piss!!!
Maybe white chicks. They have low standards.
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Oh my goodness Mel..
Don't you think this is a clue you should give up alcohol?
Good thing I'm single!
What kind of woman would want to wake up beside me drenched in my cold, wet piss!!!
Maybe white chicks. They have low standards.
:001_rolleyes:
I work with two guys that have Flip wives... I wonder if I should go that route? They're good house maids, and can deal with the pissed up bed.
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I work with two guys that have Flip wives... I wonder if I should go that route? They're good house maids, and can deal with the pissed up bed.
I doubt that.
Either way, the vinegar is working its magic, and I have a spare bed I can sleep on for a couple of days while the vinegar dries and neutralizes the piss!
The Kingsdown will be good as new soon!
It was time to wash the sheets anyhow...
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Either way, the vinegar is working its magic, and I have a spare bed I can sleep on for a couple of days while the vinegar dries and neutralizes the piss!
The Kingsdown will be good as new soon!
It was time to wash the sheets anyhow...
That's good.
One thing about me, is I don't need no babysitter...
This cowboy can take care of business.
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
One thing about me, is I don't need no babysitter...
This cowboy can take care of business.
:laugh:
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
One thing about me, is I don't need no babysitter...
This cowboy can take care of business.
What a typical white fucking idiot.
I know!
A real manly white man would get his Asian bitch to handle the problem!
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I know!
A real manly white man would get his Asian bitch to handle the problem!
Do you mean seoulbro?
You can't have him Mel, he's going to marry GORDY.
:laugh:
I heard he was tying the knot with Gordy...
The news came as a shock to me, but who am I to interfere when it's true love?
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I heard he was tying the knot with Gordy...
The news came as a shock to me, but who am I to interfere when it's true love?
So, back off Mel..
Seoul and GORDY are very much in love..
I know you've had your eye on Seoul for a long time, but you can't have him.
It's all for the best...
Again, I remain single, and nobody else has to wake up in my ice cold piss.
It's for the best.
You know, Fash... There is a reason I ensured I never fathered any children... I've fucked enough bitches... There's a reason I do what I do.
I have no words..... :oeudC:
I drink a lot but I have never peed my bed..
Or pissed in my pants.
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I have no words..... :oeudC:
That's understandable Renee.
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I have a spare bed I can sleep on for a couple of days while the vinegar dries and neutralizes the piss!
Avoid the couch.
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Yup, it's true.
I am so glad I quit.
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I have no words..... :oeudC:
That's understandable Renee.
Not for me it isn't.
What in fuck's name would make a grown man brag about wetting his bed.
I guess booze really does strip you of your dignity.
And of your bed sheets.
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I have no words..... :oeudC:
That's understandable Renee.
Not for me it isn't.
What in fuck's name would make a grown man brag about wetting his bed.
I guess booze really does strip you of your dignity.
Mel's troll schtick ismaking himself look as pathetic as possible. Someone here has to pick up the slack now that Green Hornut is history.
Well, I suppose it could be worse.
He could tell us all about how he shits in the shower and then does the waffle stomp...... :laugh3:
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Well, I suppose it could be worse.
He could tell us all about how he shits in the shower and then does the waffle stomp...... :laugh3:
Didn't he take pictures of his bowel movements and post it on VF?
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Well, I suppose it could be worse.
He could tell us all about how he shits in the shower and then does the waffle stomp...... :laugh3:
Didn't he take pictures of his bowel movements and post it on VF?
He may have. If he did, I'm certain I blocked it out my head.
I do recall the pics of the bloody toilet paper that he used to staunch his bleeding asshole though..... :oeudC:
Sad fucken state of affairs. :nea:
No. That was GD.
Mel soiling himself is usually accidental.
His threads are on purpose, though.
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No. That was GD.
Mel soiling himself is usually accidental.
His threads are on purpose, though.
Yeah, Mel only shits himself at the conclusion of a date.
And, given the fact that he's still single after all this time, probably before a date as well.
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Well, I suppose it could be worse.
He could tell us all about how he shits in the shower and then does the waffle stomp...... :laugh3:
Didn't he take pictures of his bowel movements and post it on VF?
I do recall the pics of the bloody toilet paper that he used to staunch his bleeding asshole though..... :oeudC:
Sad fucken state of affairs. :nea:
That must be what I am thinking of.
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No. That was GD.
Mel soiling himself is usually accidental.
His threads are on purpose, though.
When we were ACC, he posted defecation images in Guest Posting..
Does he still post on VF?
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And, given the fact that he's still single after all this time, probably before a date as well.
Naw, he probably always smells like that.
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No. That was GD.
Mel soiling himself is usually accidental.
His threads are on purpose, though.
When we were ACC, he posted defecation images in Guest Posting..
Does he still post on VF?
I remember that. Romero was the mod at the time. It kept him busy.
Maybe its time to put a protective plastic covering on the bed (the couch as well).
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Maybe its time to put a protective plastic covering on the bed (the couch as well).
Maybe a liquid sensing alarm as well?.... :laugh3:
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Maybe its time to put a protective plastic covering on the bed (the couch as well).
When I drank I never bragged when I had an accident.
I'm less worried about people bragging about accidents they've had in their bed than I am about people who would brag about accidents they've had on the railway.
Keep up the good work, Mr. Conductor.
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I'm less worried about people bragging about accidents they've had in their bed than I am about people who would brag about accidents they've had on the railway.
Keep up the good work, Mr. Conductor.
Thank you.
I don't mean to nitpick, but I am a locomotive engineer. I haven't been a conductor for a long time.
Mr. Engineer, then.
It's all good.
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I'm less worried about people bragging about accidents they've had in their bed than I am about people who would brag about accidents they've had on the railway.
Keep up the good work, Mr. Conductor.
Iron horse jockey should be proud of himself that he beat his addiction to alcohol..
And I agree Blurt, I feel much safer with a sober locomotive engineer moving dangerous goods through our cities.
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Maybe its time to put a protective plastic covering on the bed (the couch as well).
Maybe a liquid sensing alarm as well?.... :laugh3:
Those are available for bed wetters! Mel would be passed out thru the alarm...
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I'm less worried about people bragging about accidents they've had in their bed than I am about people who would brag about accidents they've had on the railway.
Keep up the good work, Mr. Conductor.
Iron horse jockey should be proud of himself that he beat his addiction to alcohol..
Yes one of the very few! Stay clean Jockey Boy!
I have respect for all those involved in moving trains about the nation.
They are working under hard conditions.
The Lac Mégantic fiasco showed just how greedy and unprincipled many railway companies are.
I lived in Sherbrooke, QC, for a couple of years and there's a railway bisecting the city right at the heart of the downtown core along which dangerous materials and goods are ferried. I think it's just an accident waiting to happen.
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Yup, it's true.
I wanted to spend the evening drinking a few brews, and listen to Randy and the Rainbows, but now I wash sheets, and wait for the vinegar to dry.
You see, I believe vinegar neutralizes the piss, so I dumped a liter of Heinz Vinegar on the piss. THAT should solve that problem!
Problem is, it will take some time for the vinegar to completely dry. So now I can sit here listening to Denise, Denise, drinking a few brews, while the smell of vinegar is still wafting through the condo...
Denise, Denise, I'm so in love with you! :sm(38): :sm(38): :sm(38):
And you wonder why you can't get laid. You are going to end up like old Joe when you're sixty.
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Maybe its time to put a protective plastic covering on the bed (the couch as well).
Maybe a liquid sensing alarm as well?.... :laugh3:
Those are available for bed wetters! Mel would be passed out thru the alarm...
Yeah, that's a problem. The alarm will probably just annoy his neighbors on the other side of the wall.
Maybe there's a bed wetter alarm that gives an electric shock?.... ac_umm
Right Blurts I gothe hold so Shunt him cunt him right in th e caboose.
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Right Blurts I gothe hold so Shunt him cunt him right in th e caboose.
Hello GORDY.
ac_hithere
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The Lac Mégantic fiasco showed just how greedy and unprincipled many railway companies are.
I lived in Sherbrooke, QC, for a couple of years and there's a railway bisecting the city right at the heart of the downtown core along which dangerous materials and goods are ferried. I think it's just an accident waiting to happen.
Blurt, you ignorant fool, Lac Megantic was strictly the fault of engineer Thomas Harding who broke CROR rule 112 by not applying sufficient handbrakes for the length of the train. The manager of train operations and a rail traffic controller were also charged(though I don't understand why when it's so clear one employee was responsible).
As a result of one white employee's laziness by cutting corners and breaking rules, 47 people are dead and a small short line railway is out of business and people have lost their jobs. Yes, there was greed and unprincipled behaviour, but it was not this little short line's fault that they had an unethical employee working for them.
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I think it's just an accident waiting to happen
that just shows you don't think and make stupid assumptions without any understanding of civil engineering as it applies to railways. My daddy was a civil engineer for China's state-owned railway and a division engineer for CN on the Edson sub. I happen to know a wee bit more than you about railway safety rules regulations and construction.
The St Lawrence and Atlantic which you showed in that vid is a short line railway that acts as contractor for CN. In that vid, they were switching out a transfer(small cut of cars) for CN, with a ten mile an hour speed restriction. Even if one car jumped the fucking tracks, only one axle would derail before the switcher came to a complete halt. It has neither the weight nor the speed for any cars to hit the ground.
I am tired of having to educate imbeciles like you who don't know a fucking spring frog from a hot box detector, but think they are experts.
I know the difference between the kinds of frogs. And I have been over thousands of hot box detectors. Do I win a prize?
I got less than seven years until I retire and it can't come soon enough for me. I hate all these cumbersome rules. And everytime some slacker like that Harding guy who was fired from CN decides the rules don't apply to him there are serious consequences. For the people of Lac Megantic it was like a holocaust. For me, it means adding more rules and making my job more stressful. I don't know what good adding more rules does when previous rules are not being followed by a few people.
Sorry to disappoint you, Shen.
Here are some excerpts from the official TSB report that followed the investigation of the Lac Mégantic accident. I've also included a link to the summary report (//http) for your viewing pleasure and entertainment.
It's super easy (especially for a company shill) to blame the actions of a lone worker for a tragedy, but things are a little bit more complicated than you suggest, and MMA must certainly shoulder a goodly portion of the blame, m'kay?
In October 2012, eight months before this accident, the lead locomotive was sent to MMA's repair shop following an engine failure. Given the significant time and cost of a standard repair, and the pressure to return the locomotive to service, the engine was repaired with an epoxy-like material that lacked the required strength and durability. This material failed in service, leading to engine surges and excessive black and white smoke. Eventually, oil began to accumulate in the body of the turbocharger, where it overheated and caught fire on the night of the accident.
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That night, the engineer carried out the hand brake effectiveness test with the locomotive air brakes still applied. As a result, the test did not identify that an insufficient amount of hand brake force had been applied to secure the train.
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All 72 tanks cars were Class 111, manufactured between 1980 and 2012. Although they met requirements in effect at the time, they were built to an older standard, and they lacked enhancements such as a jacket, a full head shield, and thermal protection.
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An organization with a strong safety culture is generally proactive when it comes to addressing safety issues. MMA was generally reactive. There were also significant gaps between the company's operating instructions and how work was done day to day. This and other signs in MMA's operations were indicative of a weak safety culture—one that contributed to the continuation of unsafe conditions and unsafe practices, and significantly compromised the company's ability to manage risk.
When the investigation looked carefully at MMA's operations, it found that employee training, testing, and supervision were not sufficient, particularly when it came to the operation of hand brakes and the securement of trains. Although MMA had some safety processes in place and had developed a safety management system in 2002, the company did not begin to implement this safety management system until 2010—and by 2013, it was still not functioning effectively.
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For several years, Transport Canada's regional office in Quebec had identified MMA as a company with an elevated level of risk that required more frequent inspections. Although MMA normally took corrective action once problems were identified, it was not uncommon for the same problems to reappear during subsequent inspections. These problems included issues with train securement, training, and track conditions. Transport Canada's regional office in Quebec, however, did not always follow up to ensure that these recurring problems were effectively analyzed and that the underlying conditions were fixed.
In addition, although MMA had developed a safety management system in 2002, Transport Canada's regional office in Quebec did not audit it until 2010—even though this is Transport Canada's responsibility, and despite clear indications (via inspections) that the company's safety management system was not effective. Transport Canada Headquarters in Ottawa, meanwhile, did not effectively monitor the Region's activities. As a result, it was not aware of any weaknesses in oversight of regional railways in Quebec, and it did not intervene.
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After looking at the circumstances that night, the investigation was not able to conclude that having another crew member would have prevented the accident.
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The petroleum crude oil in the tank cars was more volatile than described on the shipping documents. If petroleum crude oil is not tested systematically and frequently, there is a risk of it being improperly classified. The movement of these improperly classified goods increases the risk to people, property, and the environment.
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[size=150]Findings[/size]
Investigations conducted by the TSB are complex—an accident is never caused by just one factor. This report identifies 18 distinct causes and contributing factors, many of them influencing one another.
Blurt, I am afraid Shen Li was right. The findings of that report are posted in station house in Logan yard.
An engine failure has no bearing on the train rolling from a stopped position.
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That night, the engineer carried out the hand brake effectiveness test with the locomotive air brakes still applied. As a result, the test did not identify that an insufficient amount of hand brake force had been applied to secure the train.
You can't do a proper tug test with the air brakes applied, so this means nothing.
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All 72 tanks cars were Class 111, manufactured between 1980 and 2012. Although they met requirements in effect at the time, they were built to an older standard, and they lacked enhancements such as a jacket, a full head shield, and thermal protection
The single hulled DOT 111 were the standard until recently.
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Although MMA had some safety processes in place and had developed a safety management system in 2002, the company did not begin to implement this safety management system until 2010—and by 2013, it was still not functioning effectively.
I don't understand this at all. MMA was subject to the rules of CROR as they apply to short line operators. The engineer knew the rules or he would not have been qualified in the hog head's chair. As an engineer, this is drilled into my brain.
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Transport Canada's regional office in Quebec had identified MMA as a company with an elevated level of risk
Do you know what this means? A roadmaster sent in a report to Transport Canada about joints on 100 pound rail with missing bolts. Or broken rails with slow orders that must also be sent to Transport Canada. These are also sent to section crews or contractors who do the repairs.
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Transport Canada Headquarters in Ottawa, meanwhile, did not effectively monitor the Region's activities
Transport Canada doesn't monitor trains or tracks(which causes most derailments). They come out, see if we are wearing our vests and we have our paperwork. For track maintenance, they get all their information from the roadmasters. They are completely useless if you expect them to keep you safe.
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the investigation was not able to conclude that having another crew member would have prevented the accident.
I disagree with this. Had a conductor been with the hog head, he might have been less likely to cut corners when applying handbrakes. Besides, it's the conductor's job on a two man operation.
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The petroleum crude oil in the tank cars was more volatile than described on the shipping documents.
We have different levels of dangerous goods we haul. I can tell as soon as I see a car what level of risk it poses without even looking at the conductor's paperwork on the consist.
an accident is never caused by just one factor
Wrong, it's almost always caused by one factor. We had two trains derail due to washouts recently. The local roadmaster did not put out slow order GBO's to train crews over the affected areas and we lost millions of dollars worth of equipment and potash because one person did not do their job.
From reading this, I wonder if the people who wrote it know anything about railway operations.
Conclusion, an insufficient number of handbrakes were applied to hold a train that length on such a grade. One irresponsible person has the blood of forty seven people on his hands.
On 1.2 per cent grade and with the size of train he had, he should have had 34 hand brakes applied. He really cut corners.
I'm used to commercial vehicle airbrakes... I'd love to comment on train airbrakes, but the systems may be slightly different...
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I'm used to commercial vehicle airbrakes... I'd love to comment on train airbrakes, but the systems may be slightly different...
If I go into emergency, it takes me an hour to get my air back up.
It's just a single air line that runs to the cars, right?
I should Google exactly how train air brakes work... It may be very similar as to how transport trucks decades ago were set up... Just one line. No failsafe.
Every truck now has two lines, which are required for a failsafe system to be failsafe, even though they aren't technically failsafe either, but just better than what was before..
I Googled it. Trains do operate on a different system... One line, but with failsafe built into that design. Westinghouse invented this design.
They say it's failsafe, but air pressure is required to apply the brakes under all circumstances. That's why transport trucks eventually went with the system that they use now... Zero air pressure should hold the brake tightly against the drum, provided things are adjusted correctly.
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Conclusion, an insufficient number of handbrakes were applied to hold a train that length on such a grade. One irresponsible person has the blood of forty seven people on his hands.
On 1.2 per cent grade and with the size of train he had, he should have had 34 hand brakes applied. He really cut corners.
And that is it right there. Two fucking handbrakes on 72 loaded cars on a grade? That's nuts, besides being a dismissable offense.
Engine trouble, paperwork on the load? Yeah, that really explains why cars rolled on a grade. I'm surprised Blurt didn't blame Lac Megantic on cancelling switching bonuses. The train rolled because not nearly enough handbrakes were applied to hold it in place. I'm not surprised Blurt would want to blame anyone and anything except the person who didn't do their job. Lazy people usually stick together.
Thomas Harding should have been charged with 47 counts of manslaughter.
I'm starting to understand what led to this now, as I read the technical aspects...
Locomotives do NOT have a mechanical failsafe, unlike my work truck. They rely solely on air for everything, unless the operator actually goes to each car and manually applies the brakes mechanically.
The very old trucks and trailers would do the same thing too... Drop a trailer, and after a few days or so, even with a well sealed system, eventually the air pressure would get low enough and the fucking thing would roll away.
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I'm starting to understand what led to this now, as I read the technical aspects...
Locomotives do NOT have a mechanical failsafe, unlike my work truck. They rely solely on air for everything, unless the operator actually goes to each car and manually applies the brakes mechanically.
We have a failsafe brake system on our power.
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We have a failsafe brake system on our power.
Yes, but it still requires air.
This is why commercial vehicles eventually changed to the system they run now, which is two air lines, which is necessary for a truly mechanical failsafe that doesn't rely on only air pressure...
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We have a failsafe brake system on our power.
Yes, but it still requires air.
This is why commercial vehicles eventually changed to the system they run now, which is two air lines, which is necessary for a truly mechanical failsafe that doesn't rely on only air pressure...
We have an automatic braking system that immediately applies the brakes as a backup.
Let's be honest... If I detached the lead line on a parked train, or even if I didn't, and crawled under and opened every tank drain valve, what would happen?
Honestly, trains are using the same system now that commercial vehicles used many decades ago!
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Conclusion, an insufficient number of handbrakes were applied to hold a train that length on such a grade. One irresponsible person has the blood of forty seven people on his hands.
On 1.2 per cent grade and with the size of train he had, he should have had 34 hand brakes applied. He really cut corners.
And that is it right there. Two fucking handbrakes on 72 loaded cars on a grade? That's nuts, besides being a dismissable offense.
Engine trouble, paperwork on the load? Yeah, that really explains why cars rolled on a grade. I'm surprised Blurt didn't blame Lac Megantic on cancelling switching bonuses. The train rolled because not nearly enough handbrakes were applied to hold it in place. I'm not surprised Blurt would want to blame anyone and anything except the person who didn't do their job. Lazy people usually stick together.
Thomas Harding should have been charged with 47 counts of manslaughter.
Yes, yes, Shen... you and the Jock are better than the know-nothings at the Transportation Safety Board.
Why? Well, because you've got some grease under your fingernail, there.
Idiot.
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Conclusion, an insufficient number of handbrakes were applied to hold a train that length on such a grade. One irresponsible person has the blood of forty seven people on his hands.
On 1.2 per cent grade and with the size of train he had, he should have had 34 hand brakes applied. He really cut corners.
And that is it right there. Two fucking handbrakes on 72 loaded cars on a grade? That's nuts, besides being a dismissable offense.
Engine trouble, paperwork on the load? Yeah, that really explains why cars rolled on a grade. I'm surprised Blurt didn't blame Lac Megantic on cancelling switching bonuses. The train rolled because not nearly enough handbrakes were applied to hold it in place. I'm not surprised Blurt would want to blame anyone and anything except the person who didn't do their job. Lazy people usually stick together.
Thomas Harding should have been charged with 47 counts of manslaughter.
Yes, yes, Shen... you and the Jock are better than the know-nothings at the Transportation Safety Board.
Why? Well, because you've got some grease under your fingernail, there.
Idiot.
Hey, don't get snippy because you didn't understand what you were posted.
Blurt, if you left your standard car downward on a hill without the emergency brake on and the tires turned toward the curb and it rolled who's fault would it be if it rolled down the hill and ran someone over? You can blame the car maker because there was a recall on a faulty airbag. You can blame the oil change shop that didn't inflate your tires to the right psi. But, they have nothing to do with the real reason your car rolled down the hill and hit someone and that is you did not use best practices methods and apply your emergency brake and turn your wheel to the left.
As I showed you from CROR rules, not nearly enough brakes were applied to a hold a train of that size and weight to hold it on a grade. Had the hog head done that, the world would never have heard of Lac Megantic.
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When I drank I never bragged when I had an accident.
I am of a different breed...
I come from a place which you may not be familiar with!
I come from a place from which you may not understand!
You pissed the bed... I pissed the bed. Shit, Gordy even shit the bed!
You know, I hide who I am enough during "regular" life's hours and duties. We all do. For work, in public, etc... We are often on our somewhat best behaviour.
That's why I still post on these forums... Here, I don't have to care, and that's what originally made DV (the original one) the diamond that it once was...
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Hey, don't get snippy because you didn't understand what you were posted.
Blurt, if you left your standard car downward on a hill without the emergency brake on and the tires turned toward the curb and it rolled who's fault would it be if it rolled down the hill and ran someone over? You can blame the car maker because there was a recall on a faulty airbag. You can blame the oil change shop that didn't inflate your tires to the right psi. But, they have nothing to do with the real reason your car rolled down the hill and hit someone and that is you did not use best practices methods and apply your emergency brake and turn your wheel to the left.
As I showed you from CROR rules, not nearly enough brakes were applied to a hold a train of that size and weight to hold it on a grade. Had the hog head done that, the world would never have heard of Lac Megantic.
Blurt's copy and paste did everything, but explain why loaded cars rolled down a semi steep grade. A classic case of a little information being worse than none at all. Thomas Harding is being charged with criminal negligence causing death because he was negligent in the number of handbrakes he applied which cause the cars to roll.
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Hey, don't get snippy because you didn't understand what you were posted.
Blurt, if you left your standard car downward on a hill without the emergency brake on and the tires turned toward the curb and it rolled who's fault would it be if it rolled down the hill and ran someone over? You can blame the car maker because there was a recall on a faulty airbag. You can blame the oil change shop that didn't inflate your tires to the right psi. But, they have nothing to do with the real reason your car rolled down the hill and hit someone and that is you did not use best practices methods and apply your emergency brake and turn your wheel to the left.
As I showed you from CROR rules, not nearly enough brakes were applied to a hold a train of that size and weight to hold it on a grade. Had the hog head done that, the world would never have heard of Lac Megantic.
Yes, now that I understand how locomotive air-brake system works, I concur... The lack of manual rail car brake applications contributed.
The perceived reliance on air pressure is OK, until his engine quit after he left the engine for the night. The engine was fucked... it died. AFTER he left. No more air.
We can all asume that things will be as we left them... Engine died. Air pressure done. Will eventually leak out. Train rolls.
However, what is the protocol for applying manual mechanical brakes? When this accident happened, it didn't appear there was one. Every car? Every second car?
No me no shit bed.
I met a shiela who was a man who did
He poo poo in hotel bed with her in it
I asked her was it a double meaning room size and she went on to describe the shit
ac_boring
Ace you got a mention to her. As a bed pisser.
whahahaha
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Ace you got a mention to her. As a bed pisser.
whahahaha
So, are you gay? Are you fooling around with Seoul?
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ac_boring
How are you littles sweet arse ac_wub :6:
Iron, ignore them...
What would have been the protocol for manual brake settings at that time?
My ankles hurt today. But I got a beer and hot water bottle on my ankles :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: Good day today! And you?
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My ankles hurt today.
Wear out your feet walking to the Wellie office?
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Iron, ignore them...
What would have been the protocol for manual brake settings at that time?
I don't care if Gordy and Seoul are gay.
For the number of cars and the grade of Lac Megantic, 34 brakes on the cars, not including on the power would be required to prevent a roll. The hog head only climbed up on the platforms of two tankers and turned a handbrake.
I have left cars attached and detached from power on a mainline when I'm houred out and the Hallcon cab comes to pick up me and the conductor without quite enough handbrakes. But it was never on a grade, they weren't loaded and it was enough to hold it for that short time.
I know the transportation industry quite well...
It was perhaps a bit of bad judgement, laziness, but no ill desire to harm...
And it was a single operator train, right?
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I just wanted to mention I do advertising for a train air brake manufacturer lol. Other train parts too are made by the same company. You might like some of the work I've done and prolly seen it.
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Hey, don't get snippy because you didn't understand what you were posted.
Blurt, if you left your standard car downward on a hill without the emergency brake on and the tires turned toward the curb and it rolled who's fault would it be if it rolled down the hill and ran someone over? You can blame the car maker because there was a recall on a faulty airbag. You can blame the oil change shop that didn't inflate your tires to the right psi. But, they have nothing to do with the real reason your car rolled down the hill and hit someone and that is you did not use best practices methods and apply your emergency brake and turn your wheel to the left.
As I showed you from CROR rules, not nearly enough brakes were applied to a hold a train of that size and weight to hold it on a grade. Had the hog head done that, the world would never have heard of Lac Megantic.
Sorry, Jock, but I did understand what I posted.
It's you and Shen who didn't (and that's the difficulty with engineers... they're so focused on the details that they can't see the big picture).
The the train rolled downhill because of negligence is not at issue. Read the TSB again: insufficient brake force was applied.
The real issue, the one that concerns me (and that leads me to think that the train in Sherbrooke is an accident waiting to happen) is that the appropriately deceased MMA Railway company had a lousy track record (no pun intended) when it came to safety and the training of its personnel. That's the issue, not that some employee was poorly trained, overworked, and engaged in unsafe practices, just like you admit doing, Jock, in the post above.
When tragedy strikes, it's way too easy to blame an employee for cutting corners instead of the corner-cutting company he works for and from which he received his training.
Quote from: "Blurt"
Sorry, Jock, but I did understand what I posted.
It's you and Shen who didn't (and that's the difficulty with engineers... they're so focused on the details that they can't see the big picture).
The the train rolled downhill because of negligence is not at issue. Read the TSB again: insufficient brake force was applied.
The real issue, the one that concerns me (and that leads me to think that the train in Sherbrooke is an accident waiting to happen) is that the appropriately deceased MMA Railway company had a lousy track record (no pun intended) when it came to safety and the training of its personnel. That's the issue, not that some employee was poorly trained, overworked, and engaged in unsafe practices, just like you admit doing, Jock, in the post above.
When tragedy strikes, it's way too easy to blame an employee for cutting corners instead of the corner-cutting company he works for and from which he received his training.
There was insufficient braking power because he didn't apply a sufficient number of handbrakes as per the rules regarding grade and weight as IHJ showed you. He set two handbrakes on the cars when he should have had 34. If he had taken the time to apply the brakes, the people killed in Lac Megantic would be alive today.
He violated the rules and his training which is why the train rolled away and why he was charged with criminal negligence causing death.
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I know the transportation industry quite well...
You live on a good bus route? Alcoholics like you should be taking the bus! Gold star!
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When I drank I never bragged when I had an accident.
I am of a different breed...
I come from a place which you may not be familiar with!
I come from a place from which you may not understand!
You pissed the bed... I pissed the bed. Shit, Gordy even shit the bed!
You know, I hide who I am enough during "regular" life's hours and duties. We all do. For work, in public, etc... We are often on our somewhat best behaviour.
That's why I still post on these forums... Here, I don't have to care, and that's what originally made DV (the original one) the diamond that it once was...
Yes, yes and you were the world's best MOD back then and that's what made DV so great..... :laugh3:
Sorry I just had to get that out in the open before you said it for the 80 billionth time.
Quote from: "Blurt"
The real issue, the one that concerns me (and that leads me to think that the train in Sherbrooke is an accident waiting to happen) is that the appropriately deceased MMA Railway company had a lousy track record (no pun intended) when it came to safety and the training of its personnel. That's the issue, not that some employee was poorly trained, overworked, and engaged in unsafe practices, just like you admit doing, Jock, in the post above.
When tragedy strikes, it's way too easy to blame an employee for cutting corners instead of the corner-cutting company he works for and from which he received his training.
All training for employees at both class 1 railways is dictated by Transport Canada. They do the same with training for short liners like MMA too, but it's shorter(no pun intended) because they don't have things like block signals, scanners, and automatic switches for example. Often they may get one train a week on any given subdivision which means few if any sidings and no backtracks. They even tie down on the mainline which is unheard of with class 1 railways except on turkey trails.
Thomas Harding had the same training that I got with CP. He was actually a former hog head with CN who was dismissed for safety violations. But, like I said, what good is training and rules if an employee want use or follow it. If he was too tired, why didn't he tell his trainmaster to help him tie down the legally required number of cars? The company didn't engage in unsafe working practices by breaking rules, Harding did just like he did at CN.
As for their
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Quote from: "Blurt"
Sorry, Jock, but I did understand what I posted.
It's you and Shen who didn't (and that's the difficulty with engineers... they're so focused on the details that they can't see the big picture).
The the train rolled downhill because of negligence is not at issue. Read the TSB again: insufficient brake force was applied.
The real issue, the one that concerns me (and that leads me to think that the train in Sherbrooke is an accident waiting to happen) is that the appropriately deceased MMA Railway company had a lousy track record (no pun intended) when it came to safety and the training of its personnel. That's the issue, not that some employee was poorly trained, overworked, and engaged in unsafe practices, just like you admit doing, Jock, in the post above.
When tragedy strikes, it's way too easy to blame an employee for cutting corners instead of the corner-cutting company he works for and from which he received his training.
There was insufficient braking power because he didn't apply a sufficient number of handbrakes as per the rules regarding grade and weight as IHJ showed you. He set two handbrakes on the cars when he should have had 34. If he had taken the time to apply the brakes, the people killed in Lac Megantic would be alive today.
He violated the rules and his training which is why the train rolled away and why he was charged with criminal negligence causing death.
The handbrake requirements in CROR are more than what is required to prevent rolling. About 20 cars tied down would have been enough to prevent the Lac Megantic tragedy. Handbrakes are lot better now than when I was a conductor. Heck, some cars even have torque indicators.
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I have no words..... :oeudC:
I think I can help;
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Help yourself. They all seem to fit. None seem truly adequate to really convey how much of a scabrous turd he really is though.
Maybe some new ones.
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I have no words..... :oeudC:
I think I can help;
Scum. Loser. Wino. Retard. Lowlife. Troglodyte. Pig. Subhuman. Unrefined. Coarse. Slimebag.
Help yourself. They all seem to fit. None seem truly adequate to really convey how much of a scabrous turd he really is though.
Maybe some new ones.
Pisserman. Bottlesucker. Grimedweller. Vinegarboy. Filthspreader.
Sox, you sexy old fuck!!
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I have no words..... :oeudC:
I think I can help;
Scum. Loser. Wino. Retard. Lowlife. Troglodyte. Pig. Subhuman. Unrefined. Coarse. Slimebag.
Help yourself. They all seem to fit. None seem truly adequate to really convey how much of a scabrous turd he really is though.
Maybe some new ones.
Pisserman. Bottlesucker. Grimedweller. Vinegarboy. Filthspreader.
Sox, you sexy old fuck!!
Shen, you hot chow mein!!!
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I have no words..... :oeudC:
I think I can help;
Scum. Loser. Wino. Retard. Lowlife. Troglodyte. Pig. Subhuman. Unrefined. Coarse. Slimebag.
Help yourself. They all seem to fit. None seem truly adequate to really convey how much of a scabrous turd he really is though.
Maybe some new ones.
Pisserman. Bottlesucker. Grimedweller. Vinegarboy. Filthspreader.
Sox, you sexy old fuck!!
Shen, you hot chow mein!!!
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You want to nibble on his ginger beef, dont you?
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You want to nibble on his ginger beef, dont you?
And hoisin sauce.