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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Angry White Male on June 11, 2017, 10:40:31 PM

Title: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 11, 2017, 10:40:31 PM
Now while I'm personally for freedom of speech, I suppose there are some lines that cannot be crossed here in Canada.



A few interesting points...  Usually Whitey is the one that gets muzzled.  HOWEVER, this time a Muslim here in BC has been arrested and charged for showing his support on FaceBook for attacks that have happened in the West.



And maybe rightfully so...   Choosing to come to mainly White Western countries, and then supporting terrorist acts that happen there, even if just online, certainly can raise red flags.  And in this case it did.



Extraleggs over at the other place should be careful...  I'm sure they're keeping an eye on him also!




QuoteOthman Hamdan of Fort St. John has pleaded not guilty to encouraging the commission of murder, assault and mischief, all for terrorist purposes, as well as inducing and instructing someone to carry out a terrorist act.




http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/hamdan-trial-facebook-support-1.4154998
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 11, 2017, 11:26:58 PM
Looks like he's been in trouble before, but for some odd reason it was publication banned...





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Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 12, 2017, 12:13:57 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Now while I'm personally for freedom of speech, I suppose there are some lines that cannot be crossed here in Canada.



A few interesting points...  Usually Whitey is the one that gets muzzled.  HOWEVER, this time a Muslim here in BC has been arrested and charged for showing his support on FaceBook for attacks that have happened in the West.



And maybe rightfully so...   Choosing to come to mainly White Western countries, and then supporting terrorist acts that happen there, even if just online, certainly can raise red flags.  And in this case it did.



Extraleggs over at the other place should be careful...  I'm sure they're keeping an eye on him also!




QuoteOthman Hamdan of Fort St. John has pleaded not guilty to encouraging the commission of murder, assault and mischief, all for terrorist purposes, as well as inducing and instructing someone to carry out a terrorist act.




http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/hamdan-trial-facebook-support-1.4154998

He is giving support to what Islam commands.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: RW on June 12, 2017, 01:11:22 AM
I think this is a fair restriction to freedom of speech.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 12, 2017, 02:11:34 AM
Quote from: "RW"I think this is a fair restriction to freedom of speech.


It's a tough line to walk on...
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: RW on June 12, 2017, 02:40:55 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "RW"I think this is a fair restriction to freedom of speech.


It's a tough line to walk on...

Not really.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 12, 2017, 02:45:16 AM
Not so easy, my Wop friend...
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 12, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
Some offenses should not have publication ban..



All non violent offenses should though.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: RW on June 12, 2017, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Not so easy, my Wop friend...

It's what can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 12, 2017, 08:29:16 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Some offenses should not have publication ban..



All non violent offenses should though.

I would not want to see anyone be excluded from a job because of some petty offense that happened in their youth. So, I support a publication ban for minor offenses too.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 13, 2017, 04:40:47 AM
You can still hide minor offenses from years past, but you have to apply for a pardon.



Don't ask me how I know!
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2017, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"You can still hide minor offenses from years past, but you have to apply for a pardon.



Don't ask me how I know!

I'm aware of that Mel..



But, I'm saying that should not be available to the public in the first place.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2017, 06:34:11 PM
Inciting violence in the name of Islam should be a special category in the criminal code. Minimum 10 years in the slammer with pork served three times a fucking day.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 14, 2017, 02:11:24 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"I'm aware of that Mel..



But, I'm saying that should not be available to the public in the first place.

I suppose in one way I agree...  However, I think our courts have accepted an "open and transparent" formula that makes for public record any criminal charge that an adult has been deemed guilty of in the courts of law.  This I suppose I can accept, since it seems how Western judicial systems work.



I'll tell you one thing that I have more of a problem with...  If a person is charged with a crime, and later found not-guilty, that has no bearing on publication, and it will still follow that person through any public search...



THAT'S a problem...  If the court of law has found an individual not guilty of a crime, why should the initial charge still publicly follow their name, which it does?
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 14, 2017, 02:20:35 AM
And I'll tell you how poorly this system works...



I was charged and found guilty of Mischief like 15 years ago.  I applied for a pardon when the time frame to be able to do so had passed, and it was granted.



Now, a pardon is supposed to seal a criminal records history, if it is granted...



When BC first started their online court registry services, well after my pardon had been granted, low and behold there was my charge, available for all the public to see.



The ONLY one that can "grant" a pardoned record to be viewed, at least in theory, is the Attorney General of Canada.



And yet, here is my shit, online, for all to see...



I was FUCKING furious!  I called up the courts, and the snarky public sector cunt made me fax her my Pardon Papers...  Only THREE FUCKING MONTHS later did that shit disappear.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Angry White Male on June 14, 2017, 02:31:46 AM
And if you want to know what I was convicted of Mischief for, I purposely bent the antennae on a marked police cruiser one night, a bit too drunk to realize the cop was hiding in a darkened door recess about 40 feet away!



Even the Judge joked, that I actually bent it in a nice, clean, aerodynamic bend after viewing the picture!
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Thiel on June 14, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Some offenses should not have publication ban..



All non violent offenses should though.

It's a breach of a person's privacy.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Blurt on June 14, 2017, 06:59:10 PM
Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: RW on June 14, 2017, 07:01:01 PM
Legal transparency is important.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Thiel on June 14, 2017, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: "Blurt"Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.

There are lots of middle aged people who wish they had thought about that before they got caught with a bag of weed in the car. But, how many eighteen year olds think about being middle aged.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Blurt on June 15, 2017, 12:55:06 AM
Quote from: "Thiel"
Quote from: "Blurt"Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.

There are lots of middle aged people who wish they had thought about that before they got caught with a bag of weed in the car. But, how many eighteen year olds think about being middle aged.

You don't need to think about being middle aged.



You only need to think about not committing a crime.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2017, 01:02:24 AM
Quote from: "Blurt"
Quote from: "Thiel"
Quote from: "Blurt"Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.

There are lots of middle aged people who wish they had thought about that before they got caught with a bag of weed in the car. But, how many eighteen year olds think about being middle aged.

You don't need to think about being middle aged.



You only need to think about not committing a crime.

Whatever you're thinking, it's obvious you forgotten what it's like to be a kid.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2017, 01:12:35 AM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Blurt"
Quote from: "Thiel"
Quote from: "Blurt"Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.

There are lots of middle aged people who wish they had thought about that before they got caught with a bag of weed in the car. But, how many eighteen year olds think about being middle aged.

You don't need to think about being middle aged.



You only need to think about not committing a crime.

Whatever you're thinking, it's obvious you forgotten what it's like to be a kid.

Old Blurt also forgot how to  work and pay his own way. On second thought he didn't forget, he remembers sponging off of others all too well.
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2017, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: "Thiel"
Quote from: "Blurt"Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.

There are lots of middle aged people who wish they had thought about that before they got caught with a bag of weed in the car. But, how many eighteen year olds think about being middle aged.

That's a good example of where a publicity ban is necessary Thiel..
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Blurt on June 15, 2017, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Blurt"
Quote from: "Thiel"
Quote from: "Blurt"Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.

There are lots of middle aged people who wish they had thought about that before they got caught with a bag of weed in the car. But, how many eighteen year olds think about being middle aged.

You don't need to think about being middle aged.



You only need to think about not committing a crime.

Whatever you're thinking, it's obvious you forgotten what it's like to be a kid.

No, I remember very clearly what it's like to be a kid. My childhood simply didn't include the commission of crimes.



Why is this so hard to grasp?
Title: Re: Interesting case concerning "free speech"...
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2017, 08:55:03 PM
Quote from: "Blurt"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Blurt"
Quote from: "Thiel"
Quote from: "Blurt"Best to think about your privacy before you commit a crime.

There are lots of middle aged people who wish they had thought about that before they got caught with a bag of weed in the car. But, how many eighteen year olds think about being middle aged.

You don't need to think about being middle aged.



You only need to think about not committing a crime.

Whatever you're thinking, it's obvious you forgotten what it's like to be a kid.

No, I remember very clearly what it's like to be a kid. My childhood simply didn't include the commission of crimes.



Why is this so hard to grasp?

Nor did mine and it would be presumptuous for one to assume Thiel or iron horse jockey's did..



There should be publicity bans on misdemeanours from decades ago.
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