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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Bricktop on June 13, 2017, 08:18:40 PM

Title: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 13, 2017, 08:18:40 PM




Your Canadian bears aren't the only ones that terrorise homes.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 13, 2017, 11:40:12 PM
Meanwhile in Canada....
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: cc on June 13, 2017, 11:45:09 PM
Can't get a perspective on size, but he "appears" pretty large



edit - ok, the video helps some in that regard
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 14, 2017, 01:17:34 AM
Quote from: "cc"Can't get a perspective on size, but he "appears" pretty large


He/she's about average for what I've seen around here.  Saw one running down the sidewalk by Riverview not that long ago...
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 14, 2017, 02:54:11 AM
Meanwhile, the little Aussie pops in, says hello, has a drink and goes back to the bush.



That's a CIVILISED bear.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 14, 2017, 03:22:10 AM
Luckily most of our bears are typically afraid of humans, generally speaking, and will not confront a human (unless they have a cub nearby).



Koala's are neat!



Grizzly's are potentially dangerous, but do not live where I live.



Up North, a 12 Gauge shotgun or 30.06 is a suggested companion when in Grizzly country.



An interesting fact for you...  Polar Bears are one of the only land mammals to have NO natural fear of humans, and are EXTREMELY dangerous to be around.  You would not want to even be in their vicinity, unless armed.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 14, 2017, 03:33:24 AM
Most of the bears around here though, are not aggressive, and just wandered down from the mountains looking for an easy meal (garbage cans)...



These bears are afraid of humans, and will run from them, unless they have a cub around.  If you see a baby bear here, get the fuck out of the area, stat!  Don't stop and try to pet it, or feed it!
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: RW on June 14, 2017, 03:52:06 AM
NEVER assume a black bear isn't aggressive.  They can go from zero to 60 at the drop of a hat, with or without cubs.



All of our bears are dangerous and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 14, 2017, 12:19:21 PM
Not too long ago here in NJ. a black bear mauled a hiker to death....No cubs involved. I also read an account of a black bear chasing a guy up onto the roof of his house and then eating him.



Black bears are notoriously unpredictable and you should never underestimate them. Pound for pound they are the strongest bear alive. There is a reason they can climb trees. The strength in their paws and limbs is phenomenal. Even a fully adult male that can weigh between 350 lbs and 500lbs can climb a tree with ease. They have been seen flipping over 300lb rocks with a single fore paw, like it was child's play.



They are also extremely smart. They have been observed learning visual tasks as quickly as a chimpanzee. This makes about the most successful bear species alive today.



As for Mel's comment on Grizzlies being "potentially dangerous", that's a falsehood. Grizzlies are 100% dangerous. They will kill and eat a human at the drop of a hat. Even Timothy Treadwell, the so called "Grizzly Man",  :laugh3: who lived among the bears for several years, learned the hard way. Most of him and his girlfriend ended up as fertilizer in the form of bear shit.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2017, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"



Your Canadian bears aren't the only ones that terrorise homes.

Koalas are so cute.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: RW on June 14, 2017, 12:55:56 PM
Grizzlies are territorial so if you come across one, chances are you're on its turf.  They are actually more predictable than black bears.



I think the black bear populations are on the rise as we're seeing a lot more of them out and about these days.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2017, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: "RW"Grizzlies are territorial so if you come across one, chances are you're on its turf.  They are actually more predictable than black bears.



I think the black bear populations are on the rise as we're seeing a lot more of them out and about these days.

I believe mountain lions are like that too.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 14, 2017, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"



Your Canadian bears aren't the only ones that terrorise homes.

Koalas are so cute.


I think they're kind of creepy. Especially their paws.



Plus they feed their young on their own shit.. :beurk:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2017, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"



Your Canadian bears aren't the only ones that terrorise homes.

Koalas are so cute.


I think they're kind of creepy. Especially their paws.



Plus they feed their young on their own shit.. :beurk:

I think I could have survived not knowing that detail..



They look like a cross between a teddy bear and a monkey without a tail.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: RW on June 14, 2017, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"



Your Canadian bears aren't the only ones that terrorise homes.

Koalas are so cute.


I think they're kind of creepy. Especially their paws.



Plus they feed their young on their own shit.. :beurk:

Fecal pap!
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 14, 2017, 01:43:11 PM
Shit by any other name..... :nea:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 14, 2017, 07:25:27 PM
Koalas ROCK.



Fux given = 0!!!
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 14, 2017, 08:49:24 PM
Black bears, you're suppose to make yourself as big and loud as possible. Dont look them in the eye or they see it as a challenge. Dont run, they will outrun you. Dont climb a tree, they will follow you. If cubs are near, you're fucked. Think of the scene from The Revenant. I knew when I heard those cubs he was fucked lol.



Now, on to story time!  :yahoo:



(sips beer)



This was about 8-10 years ago or so I think. Been watching some Survivor Man. I always liked camping and hiking, so I figured, Im gonna solo backpack. First time out I was gonna do 3 days. Think my pack weighed 35lbs. I learned quick to make it lighter than that after that journey. My trip would take me on a 7.5 mile loop up and over and back down a mountain, was at Apple Orchard Falls, 200' falls. Most just go up one side, and come back down the same side. I went up the steeper side and camped halfway up, hardly anyone one goes that side. This became my favorite spot that I go to once or twice a year. Right in front of a stream. Slightly elevated and away from the trail, so no one really spots it.



That night was fun. Took a few sips and started singing songs out loud lol. No one around. Started making Bear Grylls videos lol. Sometimes I'll get asked to play them lol. It was SO dark there. Mountains going up on each side of you, trees over top. Only when the moon crossed over a small opening in the center, did it light up the whole forest. So cool.



Day 2, I go up over the mountain, start coming down, and camp halfway down the mountain. I never camped that spot again lol. First off I was gathering wood. Luckily I was wearing my cow hide gloves cause when I picked up a log, at the same moment I saw them, I also felt a sting. 100's of yellow jackassets lol. I put that log down quick back over them and TOOK off running, hauling ass lol. When I stopped, they were still with me, a dozen on me, and I grabbed and threw them down, but they swarmed my gloves, and I threw them off and hauled ass as if the devil himself was on my tail lol. It worked, I got away. I gave it an hour, then went back and gathered my big pile of wood, cause I needed it lol.



(finishes beer)



The next morning, shit got real. Now mind you I had a ONE man tent. Might as well be a supply tent cause I barely fit in it lol. Its like a coffin, you hit your head on the ceiling before you even raise up. I dont use that tent anymore either lol. So Im laying there about to get up that morning, when I heard something big come running down the mountain. I knew it wasnt human cause the path runs Horizontal not Vertical like the direction of the noise. Im thinking, oh boy, a deer is gonna run right through my campsite. It gets closer and then Im thinking its gonna run right by the tent. Was hoping I didnt get trampled lol. Well it came right up on the tent and stopped to the point that one of the paws kicked the tent as it stopped. Then it took two swipes at the tent about a foot from my head. I knew then it wasnt a deer  :shock:



I could see the shadow, and figured it to a mid size bear. I grabbed my .32 pistol, and yelled at it cause I knew to be loud. I'll admit it was a half Im scared as fuck half try to scare the bear scream lol. It worked, it silently left. Not a sound. Took a whole minute before I could open the zipper and look out, cause it was swiping at the doorway. Had to count to 3 lol. Nothing.



I still go back up there and camp, just not that spot. I also take a two man tent instead, and a .44. I figured I looked like a human burrito to the bear lol.



Ever see a mama snake with babies on its back?





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Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2017, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"Black bears, you're suppose to make yourself as big and loud as possible. Dont look them in the eye or they see it as a challenge. Dont run, they will outrun you. Dont climb a tree, they will follow you. If cubs are near, you're fucked. Think of the scene from The Revenant. I knew when I heard those cubs he was fucked lol.



Now, on to story time!  :yahoo:



(sips beer)



This was about 8-10 years ago or so I think. Been watching some Survivor Man. I always liked camping and hiking, so I figured, Im gonna solo backpack. First time out I was gonna do 3 days. Think my pack weighed 35lbs. I learned quick to make it lighter than that after that journey. My trip would take me on a 7.5 mile loop up and over and back down a mountain, was at Apple Orchard Falls, 200' falls. Most just go up one side, and come back down the same side. I went up the steeper side and camped halfway up, hardly anyone one goes that side. This became my favorite spot that I go to once or twice a year. Right in front of a stream. Slightly elevated and away from the trail, so no one really spots it.



That night was fun. Took a few sips and started singing songs out loud lol. No one around. Started making Bear Grylls videos lol. Sometimes I'll get asked to play them lol. It was SO dark there. Mountains going up on each side of you, trees over top. Only when the moon crossed over a small opening in the center, did it light up the whole forest. So cool.



Day 2, I go up over the mountain, start coming down, and camp halfway down the mountain. I never camped that spot again lol. First off I was gathering wood. Luckily I was wearing my cow hide gloves cause when I picked up a log, at the same moment I saw them, I also felt a sting. 100's of yellow jackassets lol. I put that log down quick back over them and TOOK off running, hauling ass lol. When I stopped, they were still with me, a dozen on me, and I grabbed and threw them down, but they swarmed my gloves, and I threw them off and hauled ass as if the devil himself was on my tail lol. It worked, I got away. I gave it an hour, then went back and gathered my big pile of wood, cause I needed it lol.



(finishes beer)



The next morning, shit got real. Now mind you I had a ONE man tent. Might as well be a supply tent cause I barely fit in it lol. Its like a coffin, you hit your head on the ceiling before you even raise up. I dont use that tent anymore either lol. So Im laying there about to get up that morning, when I heard something big come running down the mountain. I knew it wasnt human cause the path runs Horizontal not Vertical like the direction of the noise. Im thinking, oh boy, a deer is gonna run right through my campsite. It gets closer and then Im thinking its gonna run right by the tent. Was hoping I didnt get trampled lol. Well it came right up on the tent and stopped to the point that one of the paws kicked the tent as it stopped. Then it took two swipes at the tent about a foot from my head. I knew then it wasnt a deer  :shock:



I could see the shadow, and figured it to a mid size bear. I grabbed my .32 pistol, and yelled at it cause I knew to be loud. I'll admit it was a half Im scared as fuck half try to scare the bear scream lol. It worked, it silently left. Not a sound. Took a whole minute before I could open the zipper and look out, cause it was swiping at the doorway. Had to count to 3 lol. Nothing.



I still go back up there and camp, just not that spot. I also take a two man tent instead, and a .44. I figured I looked like a human burrito to the bear lol.



Ever see a mama snake with babies on its back?

Great story Blaze. Now can I sit on your face?
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 14, 2017, 09:05:40 PM
Quote from: "Little Ms. Sunshine"
Great story Blaze. Now can I sit on your face?


Welcome aboard   :laugh:



I mentioned last time that you made my face look like a glazed donut  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2017, 09:08:06 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Little Ms. Sunshine"
Great story Blaze. Now can I sit on your face?


Welcome aboard   :laugh:



I mentioned last time that you made my face look like a glazed donut  :roll:

I have that effect on people. I am sweeter than fucking sugar ya know.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 14, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: "Little Ms. Sunshine"
I have that effect on people. I am sweeter than fucking sugar ya know.


Makes perfect sense now  :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2017, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Little Ms. Sunshine"
I have that effect on people. I am sweeter than fucking sugar ya know.


Makes perfect sense now  :laugh:

Hey Blaze, once you go Asian, you never go caucasian.  ac_dance
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 14, 2017, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: "Little Ms. Sunshine"




Hey Blaze, once you go Asian, you never go caucasian.  ac_dance




 :roll:



First time I heard that, thats good lol  ac_drinks
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2017, 09:41:12 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Little Ms. Sunshine"




Hey Blaze, once you go Asian, you never go caucasian.  ac_dance




 :roll:



First time I heard that, thats good lol  ac_drinks

It's fucking true. ac_razz
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 14, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: "Little Ms. Sunshine"
It's fucking true. ac_razz


I may have to test this theory one day  :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 15, 2017, 04:42:14 AM
I'm not going to reiterate this again...



MOST bears do fear humans, and will leave you alone, unless you are around a cub.



Polar Bears do NOT fear humans (one of the only animals that doesn't).



Grizzly's can be unpredictable.



The fact of the matter is, you'll probably be OK as a human around Brown or Black bears, if you use common sense.



Grizzly and Polar Bear territory?  As I've stated...  a 12 Gauge or 30-06 is a good starting point to carry.



They are wild animals, and most of them do the same thing.  Usually they leave people alone, unless they are very desperate, or are attempting to protect their young.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: kiebers on June 15, 2017, 08:23:22 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm not going to reiterate this again...



Fixed it for you.......

That's what it would have looked like had you not reiterated it again after saying you wouldn't....



(did I edit the post correctly?)

 :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 15, 2017, 09:02:15 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm not going to reiterate this again...



MOST bears do fear humans, and will leave you alone, unless you are around a cub.



Polar Bears do NOT fear humans (one of the only animals that doesn't).



Grizzly's can be unpredictable.



The fact of the matter is, you'll probably be OK as a human around Brown or Black bears, if you use common sense.



Grizzly and Polar Bear territory?  As I've stated...  a 12 Gauge or 30-06 is a good starting point to carry.


Yeah, you're the expert.......cat shooter..... :laugh3:



What do you carry for shooting a pet cat while it's in a cage? ac_unsure



I'm going to go and disagree on the 30-06, not because it's a bad cartridge but because there are better ones for that application. There are a plethora or 45-70 lever actions on the market, new and used and any one of them make a better bear defense gun.



BTW, Browns (not to be confused with the Grizzly) and blacks are basically the same species.



"Black bears come in more colors than any other North American mammal. They can be black, brown, cinnamon, blond, blue-gray, or white."



https://www.bear.org/website/bear-pages/black-bear/basic-bear-facts/16-black-bear-color-phases.html
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2017, 09:04:10 AM
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm not going to reiterate this again...



Fixed it for you.......

That's what it would have looked like had you not reiterated it again after saying you wouldn't....



(did I edit the post correctly?)

 :laugh:  :laugh:

lol, yes you did kiebers.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 16, 2017, 03:53:45 AM
Quote from: "Renee"I'm going to go and disagree on the 30-06, not because it's a bad cartridge but because there are better ones for that application. There are a plethora or 45-70 lever actions on the market, new and used and any one of them make a better bear defense gun.l


Renee, you have no clue what you talk about...



You kid, suggesting some .45 round, right?
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 16, 2017, 03:54:42 AM
Unreal.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 16, 2017, 04:00:51 AM
Renee, you stupid bitch, there are NO cowboy rounds that satisfy bear repellents here.



45 70?  What the fuck?  Are we handloading in 1876 California?



No!
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 16, 2017, 08:06:39 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Renee, you stupid bitch, there are NO cowboy rounds that satisfy bear repellents here.



45 70?  What the fuck?  Are we handloading in 1876 California?



No!


You Ignorant ass. :oeudC:...STFU....NOW!



Don't even try to compete with me when it comes to knowledge about firearms....in fact don't even try to compete with me on anything....you God damn ignoramus.



Stick to what you know and that's hauling fucking dirt and licking windows.



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The firearm pictured above is a Marlin guide gun model 1895SBL. Note the stainless steel barrel and receiver. Note the modern composite stock. Note the modern weaver site rail.....it is chambered in 40-70 government and .450 Marlin and designed expressly for close range dangerous game.



Note the compactness of the weapon...perfect for wheeling around in heavy brush under the pressure of a charging grizzly.....Who the fuck in their right mind would choose an 30-06 long ass, slow to load, bolt gun over a handy compact canon like the Marlin in heavy cover?....Only a fool would do that. Only YOU would be so stupid. The only weapon chambered in 06 that even comes close is the Winchester 1895....long out of production and even during it's day...unpopular. Or the savage M99 in .300 savage. But even those are unwieldy compared to the Marlin and the .300 is light for a big angry bear.



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The venerable 40-70 govt. updated.....that cartridge has taken more large and dangerous game than you can shake a stick at.



"The .45-70, when loaded with the proper bullets at appropriate velocities, has been used to hunt the African "Big Five". The .45-70 has been loaded and used to harvest everything from birds to elephant"



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70



Have you ever fired a 45-70 have you ever even been close to one?.....Judging from your laughable take on the subject, it's obvious you haven't got the slightest clue.



"Today, the Marlin Guide Gun is a popular choice for anyone wanting a short range, fast shooting, powerful, dangerous game defense gun. While most of us will never have to face the wrath of a charging grizzly in the alders of Alaska, the romance of the Guide Gun is addictive."

http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_marlin1895G_henry45-70.htm



BTW, a lot of professionals would readily recommend for the average hiker that you skip the long gun and carry "big iron" instead...44 mag, ...45 long colt...454 Casull,...475 Linebaugh etc.



Now if you want to keep talking, I will be more than happy to continue to make a fool out of you......I live for when idiots like you open your toothless, dribbling, hillbilly, mouths.... :laugh3:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 16, 2017, 06:50:05 PM
Women drivers are bad enough...but women gun freaks take the word "dangerous" to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 16, 2017, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: "Renee"


BTW, a lot of professionals would readily recommend for the average hiker that you skip the long gun and carry "big iron" instead...44 mag, ...


 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 16, 2017, 07:50:07 PM
On the other hand, an intelligent person would tell you to hike where there are NO damn bears.



America...the country that believes guns will solve ANY problem.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 16, 2017, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"On the other hand, an intelligent person would tell you to hike where there are NO damn bears.



America...the country that believes guns will solve ANY problem.


You know whats funny, we're talking about bears, and that song "lookin' in your big brown eyes" just came on  :laugh:



Hell I live in bear country man, was one downtown dancing to Gangnam Style just the other day....



Dumb asses taking pics lol....





http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/roanoke/bear-removed-from-tree-in-downtown-roanoke/article_f39fbb8b-b535-53d9-8fe8-887bc11a7da1.html











Well what would you do if you were inside a small tent and a bear started thrashing it with you in it? I gave it a warning yell, the gun was for a back up. It didnt come to that. Guns are for protection and defense, I dont believe they solve ANY problem as you say. Wait, you're the ex cop, you should already know what I speak of! Or you be trolling lol. Not all us "Americans" are the same man. Some of us still know whats right and wrong, whats honorable, and just  ac_drinks
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 16, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Bricktop"On the other hand, an intelligent person would tell you to hike where there are NO damn bears.



America...the country that believes guns will solve ANY problem.


You know whats funny, we're talking about bears, and that song "lookin' in your big brown eyes" just came on  :laugh:



Hell I live in bear country man, was one downtown dancing to Gangnam Style just the other day....



Dumb asses taking pics lol....





http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/roanoke/bear-removed-from-tree-in-downtown-roanoke/article_f39fbb8b-b535-53d9-8fe8-887bc11a7da1.html











Well what would you do if you were inside a small tent and a bear started thrashing it with you in it? I gave it a warning yell, the gun was for a back up. It didnt come to that. Guns are for protection and defense, I dont believe they solve ANY problem as you say. Wait, you're the ex cop, you should already know what I speak of! Or you be trolling lol. Not all us "Americans" are the same man. Some of us still know whats right and wrong, whats honorable, and just  ac_drinks


As an ex cop, I know this.



Fierarms in the community are unjustifiable.



Some of you Americans MAY know right from wrong...but only in the context of your own personal moral viewpoint.



What you utterly fail to grasp is what is right and wrong for the community. Guns are not right in any community. Health care should be available to everyone. Invading other countries is stupid. Burning cars because the guy you didn't vote for won.



When you stop killing each other, care for each other, leave other countries be and tolerate different viewpoints, then you can tell me what Amercians know about right and wrong.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 16, 2017, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"


As an ex cop, I know this.



Fierarms in the community are unjustifiable.



Some of you Americans MAY know right from wrong...but only in the context of your own personal moral viewpoint.



What you utterly fail to grasp is what is right and wrong for the community. Guns are not right in any community. Health care should be available to everyone. Invading other countries is stupid. Burning cars because the guy you didn't vote for won.



When you stop killing each other, care for each other, leave other countries be and tolerate different viewpoints, then you can tell me what Amercians know about right and wrong.


I can agree with everything you said except no guns in the community. Think of the zombie apocalypse man!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 16, 2017, 09:32:39 PM
Ouch.



Checkmate.



You win this round, boy...



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Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 16, 2017, 09:35:42 PM
:laugh:



 ac_drinks
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 16, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
Wait!!! Wait!!!



Daryl Dixon uses a crossbow, and Mischonne uses Japanese swords!!! In fact, Mischonne couldn't hit a bus with a gauge at ten paces!!!



Gunfire attracts zombies!!!
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 16, 2017, 09:59:20 PM
Touche touche lol. A man dont need to shoes to run either, but they sure do help  :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 16, 2017, 10:14:34 PM
Always one step ahead...
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 17, 2017, 06:04:33 AM
I like the comment by the old man...."hike where there are no damn bears".



In the US and Canada....if you really want to get out in the leaves, there are limited places to do that...That's like saying hike in Australia where there are NO flies.... :laugh3:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 17, 2017, 08:33:14 AM
But its OK to KILL flies.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 17, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Killing a bear would be the last resort if it came to that. Of all animals, I have only killed 2 deer. I love the meat. But bears are unpredictable. Ya never know if some other idiot decided to blast it with pepper spray and piss it off, running towards your vicinity. I had a Ranger one time tell me to carry, he said "I would rather live and face a jury, than die and face a coffin".



My dad tells me to always carry a gun, cause "you never know". Years ago there were murders on the Appalachian trail. Im also close to where The Wrong Turn took place. He worries about me a lot cause I dont carry unless Im camping.



Mr Miyagi would never kill a fly. Maybe that fly was a bear spirit in his previous life, and now you are killing them all!



lol
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2017, 01:16:40 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Women drivers are bad enough...but women gun freaks take the word "dangerous" to a whole new level.

Only thing worse is East Asian women drivers.

 :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 17, 2017, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Women drivers are bad enough...but women gun freaks take the word "dangerous" to a whole new level.

Only thing worse is East Asian women drivers.

 :001_rolleyes:


Or worse yet, East Asian women drivers with guns!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2017, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Women drivers are bad enough...but women gun freaks take the word "dangerous" to a whole new level.

Only thing worse is East Asian women drivers.

 :001_rolleyes:


Or worse yet, East Asian women drivers with guns!  :laugh:

That would be Shen Li.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 17, 2017, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Women drivers are bad enough...but women gun freaks take the word "dangerous" to a whole new level.

Only thing worse is East Asian women drivers.

 :001_rolleyes:


Or worse yet, East Asian women drivers with guns!  :laugh:

That would be Shen Li.

 :laugh:


Sounds like a chop idea  :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2017, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Women drivers are bad enough...but women gun freaks take the word "dangerous" to a whole new level.

Only thing worse is East Asian women drivers.

 :001_rolleyes:


Or worse yet, East Asian women drivers with guns!  :laugh:

That would be Shen Li.

 :laugh:


Sounds like a chop idea  :laugh:

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2017, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Women drivers are bad enough...but women gun freaks take the word "dangerous" to a whole new level.

Only thing worse is East Asian women drivers.

 :001_rolleyes:


Or worse yet, East Asian women drivers with guns!  :laugh:

That would be Shen Li.

 :laugh:

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 18, 2017, 12:20:27 AM
Quote from: "Renee"Don't even try to compete with me when it comes to knowledge about firearms....in fact don't even try to compete with me on anything....you God damn ignoramus.


Up here, I don't know anyone that pretends to be a California cowboy with 45-70 rounds when in Grizzly country.  Not that it's a bad round, but most here tend to grab the tried and true 30-06 (or .308) if they want a hunting/bush rifle, simply due to cost of ammo, availability, and its effectiveness against most game here.



NOW, understand that others who want something short, light, and quick to handle, generally will use a 12 gauge...  like a "defender" type model when in Grizzly country.



Maybe things are different where you live, Renee, but I have never seen a hunter here run a 45-70, unless just for fun, or they like to reload and think they are a California Cowboy in 1880's California.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 18, 2017, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: "Renee"BTW, a lot of professionals would readily recommend for the average hiker that you skip the long gun and carry "big iron" instead...44 mag, ...45 long colt...454 Casull,...475 Linebaugh etc.

You're kidding, right?



Even the most powerful handgun rounds cannot compare with the energy dump of even the average long rifle round.



Sure, better than nothing...  However, if you belittle my opinion that 30-06 or 12 Gauge rounds are inferior, certainly don't claim that a .44 Magnum handgun round is awesome and recommended.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 18, 2017, 12:31:58 AM
Maybe we should all just carry rifles chambered in .375 Holland & Holland, which is one of the most powerful, but still easily available, rounds around here.  That way we can be EXTRA safe!  Just don't ask how much a day at the range will cost you in ammo...
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 18, 2017, 03:58:19 AM
Be right back...  Renee needs a black powder change for her .45 Cowboy round load...
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 18, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Be right back...  Renee needs a black powder change for her .45 Cowboy round load...


Looky here....the expert cat shooter is back for more. I told you to STFU....and you are still gibbering.....mother fucking dumb ass, toad. Man you just love to be made a fool of, don'tcha?



Mel, you don't know shit about guns or hunting. In fact you don't know shit about anything, you square headed, red faced, turd pile. All you do is run your mouth with your 6th grade education and pretend to be an authority on everything. I already made an ass out of you on this subject but you just keep flapping your gums... :nea:



Drunk again...and dumb as mud.... :laugh3:



You're the kind of person that should be banned from owning a gun....drunk, stupid and irresponsible. Is that piece of shit Walmart pump gun still hanging on your living room wall unsecured? You're a fucking tragedy waiting to happen. I guess you keep it there because you never know when you will have to go full hillbilly retard and shoot your pet cat.



http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2012/12/best-grizzly-guns-9-great-guns-brown-bear-hunting-and-defense



Notice how the 06 doesn't even make the list but the 45-70 is right near the top pick?



Now fuck off....you alcohol soaked waste of skin. If I have to address this issue again with you, I'm not going to be nearly as nice as I am being now.....Eat shit.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 18, 2017, 11:56:01 PM
Your linked list is a joke, Renee...



It does include the 12 Gauge, which I mentioned straight up is a popular choice...



However, it's a joke because half the firearms there are handguns.  .357 Magnum in Grizzly country?  Again, better than nothing.



Your list is a joke.  30-06 didn't even make the list, but .357 Magnum did?



Give me a break.



What type of black powder do you like to use when reloading your .45 California Cowboy rounds?



Do you just use a campfire to melt the spent lead and cast it into new bullets also?
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 19, 2017, 12:07:26 AM
Renee and her Clown Calibers...



Not sure why she'd even worry about what to carry in Grizzly country...  Like she'd even be able to walk more than a few feet through mountainous terrain.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 19, 2017, 08:29:23 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Your linked list is a joke, Renee...



It does include the 12 Gauge, which I mentioned straight up is a popular choice...



However, it's a joke because half the firearms there are handguns.  .357 Magnum in Grizzly country?  Again, better than nothing.



Your list is a joke.  30-06 didn't even make the list, but .357 Magnum did?



Give me a break.



What type of black powder do you like to use when reloading your .45 California Cowboy rounds?



Do you just use a campfire to melt the spent lead and cast it into new bullets also?


I schooled you twice on this and you still can't STFU.....you ain't too smart, are you.....but we know this already.



"nothing less powerful than a .357 Magnum for black bears, and for grizzlies, a .44 Magnum is minimum, with .454 Cassull or .500 S&W recommended if you can handle the large frame. When it comes to Canada's brown bears, forget it. If you don't have a big bore rifle, you're on the menu. Accept it."

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/david-liberman/staying-safe-on-the-trail-with-a-gun/



For your edification, the 30-06 is not considered "a big bore rifle".



"True to the name, the Marlin 1895 Guide Gun is a favorite of hunting guides in North America, particularly those in Canada and Alaska, who operate in areas where there is a good chance of encounters with ill-tempered predators".



"A cousin to the Marlin 336, the Marlin 1895 is chambered in the venerable .45-70 Government cartridge. With an 18-inch or 22-inch barrel, the Marlin 1895 Guide Gun only weights around eight pounds, making it a powerful, yet handy, accurate, and easy-to-carry rifle."

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-best-bear-defense-guns-pics/



Once again not a single 06 one the list.



A recent poll conducted by Cabalas showed that the .338 win mag followed by the .375 h&h and the 45-70 govt. were the most common calibers used by professional hunting guides for use on big bears in Canada and Alaska. The 06 is considered by professionals too light to reliability stop an enraged grizzly......GET OVER IT.



I'm not saying that the 30-06 is a bad cartridge.....it's one of my personal faves (along with it's necked down offspring like the .270 win) but in the face of a charging grizzly.....I'll go with the 45-70 just for it's shear knock down power. You can use the 06 and afterwards, the search and rescue can shovel what's left of you into a plastic bag.....No great loss.



Now you can be smart and shut the fuck up in the face of someone who knows more than you but I know you won't because you are a typical drunken, blabber mouthed, fool....You don't know dick but you can't shut your mouth either. It must suck to be you...... :laugh3:



Stick to shooting cats....you don't have to worry about choice of caliber to kill a cat while it's sitting in it's carrier pleading for it's life.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 19, 2017, 08:14:31 PM
Quoted directly from the State of Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game...


QuoteThe rifle you bring hunting should be one with which you are comfortable. Because of the presence of brown and grizzly bears, many hunters have been convinced that a .300, .338, .375, or .416 magnum is needed for personal protection and to take large Alaska game. This is simply not true.


You should read the entire page, as it has some useful info that can help educate you, Renee...



http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 19, 2017, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Quoted directly from the State of Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game...


QuoteThe rifle you bring hunting should be one with which you are comfortable. Because of the presence of brown and grizzly bears, many hunters have been convinced that a .300, .338, .375, or .416 magnum is needed for personal protection and to take large Alaska game. This is simply not true.


You should read the entire page, as it has some useful info that can help educate you, Renee...



http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms


Mel this not about hunting where you are shooting a bear 100 yards out where shot placement is everything. It's about having enough knock down power when the animal is tight on top of you. FFS tribes in Africa used to kill elephants and lions with a spear.....just because it can be done doesn't mean you should do it.



Fuuuuck are you dumb.... :laugh3:



Have you ever heard the old adage where it comes to dangerous game...." never too much gun"?

That saying has been the rule since men were killing dangerous animals with muzzle loaders.



Do you know what that means?



Of course you don't.....it's about being smart in your choice of caliber when facing an animal that can potentially kill you. The only animal you ever faced down was a house cat trapped in a cage. Other than that poor animal the only thing you ever hunted and killed is a case of PBR.



Stop trying to defend your lack of firearms knowledge and grotesque lack of common sense. You look like a bigger fool than you usually do.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Bricktop on June 19, 2017, 08:39:59 PM
Er, what do you call someone who argues with a fool???
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Angry White Male on June 19, 2017, 08:56:49 PM
Renee, did you click on the link and read the State of Alaska's web page?



Perhaps you should email The State of Alaska Dept. of Fish & Game and tell them that the info is all wrong?
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 20, 2017, 09:27:11 AM
This is a good one that was recommended to me, that Alaskan Rangers use. Perfect for backpacking up there. Hell even says Alaskan on it with a grizzly bear lol. .44mag





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I got the classic, which is a 5" barrel instead of 6". It takes the weight of the 6" length and disperses it under the 5" barrel giving the same stability of a 6".
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 20, 2017, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Renee, did you click on the link and read the State of Alaska's web page?



Perhaps you should email The State of Alaska Dept. of Fish & Game and tell them that the info is all wrong?


No they are not wrong but you have lost sight of the argument.



The Alaskan fish and game article talks about bullet placement, bullet construction and a hunters overall comfort with the use of his or her firearm. I whole heatedly agree with all of it.



BUT that is not what is being discussed here...this argument started out as the best type of weapon for bear DEFENSE...it's not about hunting or shooting a bear at distance. It's about stumbling upon a bear by accident and being attacked. Isn't that why YOU suggested a 12ga?



Notice I didn't take issue with that choice....AND I'm not disparaging the 30-06....all I'm saying is there are better options at close range. Get it?



Now if you cannot follow along logically, get lost and go bother some one else. At this juncture the premise of the discussion should not have to be explained to you.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2017, 10:52:43 AM
When we are camping in grizzly and mountain lion country, we make lots of noise.
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Renee on June 20, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: "Blazor"This is a good one that was recommended to me, that Alaskan Rangers use. Perfect for backpacking up there. Hell even says Alaskan on it with a grizzly bear lol. .44mag





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I got the classic, which is a 5" barrel instead of 6". It takes the weight of the 6" length and disperses it under the 5" barrel giving the same stability of a 6".


The .44 mag or the .41 mag have always been great choices for hikers in grizzly country. Unfortunately the big N Frame M29 with large grips is too big for my hands. The Newer 629 even more so.



I have a Ruger Redhawk, in .45 colt with a 4" barrel like this.



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It's big and the trigger is a stretch for my stubby fingers but it fits my hand better. And you can put .45 ACP thru it with reasonable results. :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Title: Re: Australian bear home invasion.
Post by: Blazor on June 20, 2017, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: "Renee"


I have a Ruger Redhawk, in .45 colt with a 4" barrel like this.




Nice!



I can hear Hank now "or shoot him with my old .45!" lol.
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