I saw this on the news..
Airbnb has driven up rents in other Canadian cities too.
While the hot housing market in Toronto has led to a short supply of rental units and soaring rents, a recent report by Fairbnb claims short-term condo rentals are also a big part of the problem.
"I think it definitely has (contributed to the rental crisis)," said Fairbnb's Thorben Wieditz.
"The city of Toronto's vacancy rate is 1.3 per cent — in some of the condo buildings and condo districts it's actually below one per cent — and removing any units of the housing market will definitely decrease the supply and increase the demand, increase the prices, and make it more difficult for people to find a place to live."
The city is about to begin consultations on the best way to regulate home-sharing. Fairbnb will be asking for restrictions that protect the rental market while allowing for legitimate homeowners, like CityNews cameraman Adrian Golombek.
Golombek said he uses Airbnb because he still has control of his house, whereas if he had a problem with a regular renter, he would have a hard time evicting the person.
"I wouldn't do it if I didn't have to pay the bills," he said.
"It's a lot of work — it's a lot of people coming in and out and a lot of cleaning. But I would say in the summertime, you could make double what you would make if it was just a regular renter."
Faribnb supports a one host, one listing policy, which would prevent people from buying and renting multiple properties.
"There are about 12,000 listings in the city of Toronto, and one of the remarkable things we found ... is that 16 per cent of the hosts that rent out on Airbnb have multiple listings on the platform at any given moment," Wieditz said.
Those hosts in turn control about 40 per cent of Toronto's Airbnb listings.http://www.citynews.ca/2017/03/15/airbnb-driving-rent-toronto-group-says/
City councils should pass bylaws restricting this.
Our building has restricted this, using a clause in the Strata rules that prohibit running a business out of any residential unit.
Now, my trucking business is based at home, but that is just in address only, so for all intents and purposes nobody even knows I run my business at home, since I really don't.
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Now, my trucking business is based at home, but that is just in address only, so for all intents and purposes nobody even knows I run my business at home, since I really don't.
How would they enforce a rule like that?
Good question... First they'd need proof one is attempting to run Airbnb out of unit... Maybe a Google search would bring up the unit address advertising the rental of unit?
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I thought they don't give show addresses in advertisements?
I have thought about renting out my condo for the two to three weeks every winter I am down South golfing.
I've never used the service, so I'm not exactly sure.
I do know that we can rent out our units, but that's only with a longer term lease. In fact, Strata rules in BC changed, and guarantee that an owner can rent out his unit.
Not sure if Strata can even change that status, but if they could, the original owners would be Grandfathered, I presume...
But as you state... How could they really prove you were running a short-term rental? They would have to prove that first, before they could even issue a fine...
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For such a short term, is it even worth the risk? Come back home to a dirty pig-sty?
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For such a short term, is it even worth the risk? Come back home to a dirty pig-sty?
Well that's just it. It's not worth it.
I need to start a new topic, but I am unable to...
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No?
Okay, give me a minute.
I remember watching on Global Calgary a house in my city that was destroyed by an Airbnb customer..
It was a beautiful home too.
You never know who you're going to get.
I would never risk my personal home getting destroyed by bums, so I would never rent it out.
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It was a beautiful home too.
You have to give your credit card information, but that won't cover over one hundred grand in damages for example.
Yeah, a credit card may get you their limit, like $5,000 or whatever, but no more. And I doubt standard homeowners insurance would cover a dime of those repairs, since that insurance isn't meant for renting out as a business...
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My husband and I won't be advertising our home on that site.
You rent an apartment for a month
Then sub rent it everyday on airbnb
The margin is yours
Run a few at a time to allow for the ones that get trashed you just walk away from
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Then sub rent it everyday on airbnb
The margin is yours
Run a few at a time to allow for the ones that get trashed you just walk away from
Bad idea. The person who signed the rental agreement is responsible for any damages caused by the person they sublet it to.
People are trying to 'get rich'. Problem is, most people are spending faster than the money is coming in. 'I want this, I want that!" People are selfish. Airbnb is also a problem for housing. There are not many places to live because of it.
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It has reduced vacancy rates as more rental properties are used for temporary rentals instead of long term among locals.
I read that part of the problem, is that more people are living alone than ever before, thus putting pressure on availability.
However, the solution is quite simple... We just have to build more units. It's not like Canada is "running out of space."
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However, the solution is quite simple... We just have to build more units. It's not like Canada is "running out of space."
We actually are running out of space in cities where demand is greatest making renting out units on airbnb an appealing option.
And that's part of the problem... We live in a huge country, yet most people pack themselves right in the city.
Now, I can see why, if they have to be close to work, since our infrastructure is absolutely garbage for anyone that has to actually travel greater distances to work...
My Daddy owns rental units. I would never consider tennants let alone renting out properties I own short term.
My Uncle owned a four-plex a few years back, strictly for rental purposes.
There were really good tenants that paid on time, and were no trouble. However, some of the others WERE a problem.
He eventually decided to sell the properties, and wipe his hands clean of the landlord business.
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There were really good tenants that paid on time, and were no trouble. However, some of the others WERE a problem.
He eventually decided to sell the properties, and wipe his hands clean of the landlord business.
That's the way it is with my Daddy's properties. He has had some terrific tennants, but others were renters from hell. Renting out suites on airbnb would be even worse.
Absolutely. I keep my place spic and span.
Last thing I need to do is clean up after pigs. I don't even want strangers sleeping in my bed, new sheets or not!
Ultimately the issue is strata councils not allowing rentals in the first place. There's tons of empty apartments owned by foreign buyers who would rent them out if they could but strata prevents it. Hence airbnb being an option.
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That changed, at least in BC.
They cannot restrict rentals anymore, at least not to buyers of units after the rule change date, such as myself.
Now, I am uncertain if the Strata council can change that bylaw, but if they could, I would assume I'm Grandfathered.
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We own a condo in Fort Mac that forbids renting too, but a third to half of the units in our complex are in fact rented out. As Fash said, it's an unenforceable rule.
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That changed, at least in BC.
They cannot restrict rentals anymore, at least not to buyers of units after the rule change date, such as myself.
Now, I am uncertain if the Strata council can change that bylaw, but if they could, I would assume I'm Grandfathered.
I vaguely remembered something about that.
Some strata councils allow rentals but very few.
I imagine it's the thing to do in Fort Mac.
Let me dig out my rules here, if I can find them...
Can't find it, and don't feel like reading through pages and pages of online documents.
This building has no rental restrictions (other than the short-term bnb rentals, which runs afoul of the 'running a business out of a residential strata unit' rule).
Pets and smoking are permitted here also.
However, there are luckily very few renters living here, as most are owner occupied, which a good thing. Less than 10% are rented out...
UCP MLA Derek Fildebrandt has come under fire for renting out his subsidized Edmonton apartment on Airbnb..
He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
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Last thing I need to do is clean up after pigs. I don't even want strangers sleeping in my bed, new sheets or not!
Strangers in ya bed you outa try Pattaya.......I lean over to the left and say which one is you and then do the same on the right.
More than 1 bitch in the bed.
I am a King.
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Last thing I need to do is clean up after pigs. I don't even want strangers sleeping in my bed, new sheets or not!
Strangers in ya bed you outa try Pattaya.......I lean over to the left and say which one is you and then do the same on the right.
More than 1 bitch in the bed.
I am a King.
They were trying to chew their limbs off like a coyote to get away from you, isn't that right pig.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
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Last thing I need to do is clean up after pigs. I don't even want strangers sleeping in my bed, new sheets or not!
Strangers in ya bed you outa try Pattaya.......I lean over to the left and say which one is you and then do the same on the right.
More than 1 bitch in the bed.
I am a King.
They were trying to chew their limbs off like a coyote to get away from you, isn't that right pig.
2 did...one said I was the rudest farang she had ever met
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
Apparently it's not a against the rules for MLA's to rent out their subsidized housing in the provincial capital when they are away..
And it seems Derek Fildebranbt is not the only one who is or has done this.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
The rules are fuzzy. He claimed the living expense year round as all non-Edmonton MLA's do.
It's highly unlikely he broke any rule, but the loopholes that allow MLA's to rent their Edmonton apartments while they are collecting living allowances need to be closed.
As the former boss of CTF, Fildebradbt is such a fucking hypocrite.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
The rules are fuzzy. He claimed the living expense year round as all non-Edmonton MLA's do.
It's highly unlikely he broke any rule, but the loopholes that allow MLA's to rent their Edmonton apartments while they are collecting living allowances need to be closed.
As the former boss of CTF, Fildebradbt is such a fucking hypocrite.
You can't fault a guy for taking full advantage of the savings available to him but you're right, that loophole needs to be closed.
The hypocrisy doesn't surprise me one bit.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
The rules are fuzzy. He claimed the living expense year round as all non-Edmonton MLA's do.
It's highly unlikely he broke any rule, but the loopholes that allow MLA's to rent their Edmonton apartments while they are collecting living allowances need to be closed.
As the former boss of CTF, Fildebradbt is such a fucking hypocrite.
You can't fault a guy for taking full advantage of the savings available to him but you're right, that loophole needs to be closed.
The hypocrisy doesn't surprise me one bit.
I alternate between a variety radio station and talk radio during my morning commute..
Needless to say Derek Fildebrandbt and MLA's renting out their apartments in the provincial capital while receiving taxpayer housing allowances was the topic of discussion.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
The rules are fuzzy. He claimed the living expense year round as all non-Edmonton MLA's do.
It's highly unlikely he broke any rule, but the loopholes that allow MLA's to rent their Edmonton apartments while they are collecting living allowances need to be closed.
As the former boss of CTF, Fildebradbt is such a fucking hypocrite.
You can't fault a guy for taking full advantage of the savings available to him but you're right, that loophole needs to be closed.
The hypocrisy doesn't surprise me one bit.
I suppose, but it is unethical even if not an outright violation.
I'm curious if there are set rules about this dubious practice among MPP's who don't live within commuting distance of Queen's Park.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
The rules are fuzzy. He claimed the living expense year round as all non-Edmonton MLA's do.
It's highly unlikely he broke any rule, but the loopholes that allow MLA's to rent their Edmonton apartments while they are collecting living allowances need to be closed.
As the former boss of CTF, Fildebradbt is such a fucking hypocrite.
You can't fault a guy for taking full advantage of the savings available to him but you're right, that loophole needs to be closed.
The hypocrisy doesn't surprise me one bit.
I suppose, but it still doesn't sit well with me.
I'm curious if there are set rules about this dubious practice among MPP's who don't live within commuting distance of Queen's Park.
I'm sure it will come to light if there is.
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He says it doesn't violate rules and he will donate any money paid for the short term rental to paying down the provincial deficit.
ac_umm
Even though it is not a violation of rules, the optics couldn't be any worse. When that guy was the head of the CTF, he mercilessly pilloried politicians for this kind of thing.
How could that not be a violation of the rules? Did he claim it somewhere as he went?
The rules are fuzzy. He claimed the living expense year round as all non-Edmonton MLA's do.
It's highly unlikely he broke any rule, but the loopholes that allow MLA's to rent their Edmonton apartments while they are collecting living allowances need to be closed.
As the former boss of CTF, Fildebradbt is such a fucking hypocrite.
You can't fault a guy for taking full advantage of the savings available to him but you're right, that loophole needs to be closed.
The hypocrisy doesn't surprise me one bit.
I suppose, but it still doesn't sit well with me.
I'm curious if there are set rules about this dubious practice among MPP's who don't live within commuting distance of Queen's Park.
I'm sure it will come to light if there is.
And that may be the silver lining.
I was driving in Chicago recently and listening to a local radio station. Listeners were invited to call in a share some of their Airbnb horror stories. Some of them were pretty messed up.
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I could imagine Thiel..
I remember an infamous Airbnb story here in Calgary.