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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: RW on August 26, 2017, 07:32:13 PM

Title: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 26, 2017, 07:32:13 PM
Haters seem to be consistently outnumbered.  Take the hint!



"2 arrested at anti-Islam rally in London, Ont. Counter-protesters in front of City Hall outnumber PEGIDA backers about 10 to 1"



...



"One man was taken into custody after allegedly punching a counter-protester who had pushed a sign toward his face. Police said a second person was arrested for a breach of peace. As of Saturday afternoon, no charges had been laid. The standoff lasted about two hours, until PEGIDA supporters left."



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/london/london-nationalist-rally-1.4263721
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: GORDY GAMBINO on August 26, 2017, 11:14:27 PM
ok cc keep up the terror alert
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 12:06:51 AM
LOL!
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 27, 2017, 04:47:08 AM
Basically "go home White people"...



Ah well...  We all know how this will eventually end.  May not see it in my lifetime, but we can deduce...
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2017, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: "RW"Haters seem to be consistently outnumbered.  Take the hint!



"2 arrested at anti-Islam rally in London, Ont. Counter-protesters in front of City Hall outnumber PEGIDA backers about 10 to 1"



...



"One man was taken into custody after allegedly punching a counter-protester who had pushed a sign toward his face. Police said a second person was arrested for a breach of peace. As of Saturday afternoon, no charges had been laid. The standoff lasted about two hours, until PEGIDA supporters left."



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/london/london-nationalist-rally-1.4263721

So who are the haters?



The ones who protested peacefully or the ones that got in their faces?
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"Haters seem to be consistently outnumbered.  Take the hint!



"2 arrested at anti-Islam rally in London, Ont. Counter-protesters in front of City Hall outnumber PEGIDA backers about 10 to 1"



...



"One man was taken into custody after allegedly punching a counter-protester who had pushed a sign toward his face. Police said a second person was arrested for a breach of peace. As of Saturday afternoon, no charges had been laid. The standoff lasted about two hours, until PEGIDA supporters left."



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/london/london-nationalist-rally-1.4263721

So who are the haters?



The ones who protested peacefully or the ones that got in their faces?

The an "original protester" was arrested for allegedly punching a counter protester. Hitting people isn't peaceful.  Neither is running them over with a car from behind.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2017, 04:03:31 PM
I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.

You keep talking about counter protesters yet those arrested in this case were the original protesters.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2017, 04:48:06 PM
Quote from: "RW"Haters seem to be consistently outnumbered.  Take the hint!



"2 arrested at anti-Islam rally in London, Ont. Counter-protesters in front of City Hall outnumber PEGIDA backers about 10 to 1"



...



"One man was taken into custody after allegedly punching a counter-protester who had pushed a sign toward his face. Police said a second person was arrested for a breach of peace. As of Saturday afternoon, no charges had been laid. The standoff lasted about two hours, until PEGIDA supporters left."



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/london/london-nationalist-rally-1.4263721

Why do counter protesters feel they have to get in people's faces?
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 05:10:06 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "RW"Haters seem to be consistently outnumbered.  Take the hint!



"2 arrested at anti-Islam rally in London, Ont. Counter-protesters in front of City Hall outnumber PEGIDA backers about 10 to 1"



...



"One man was taken into custody after allegedly punching a counter-protester who had pushed a sign toward his face. Police said a second person was arrested for a breach of peace. As of Saturday afternoon, no charges had been laid. The standoff lasted about two hours, until PEGIDA supporters left."



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/london/london-nationalist-rally-1.4263721

Why do counter protesters feel they have to get in people's faces?

Have you never been to a rally?  Things are extremely heated.  The exchanges are extremely heated.  The sides are very much opposed.  You usually have a couple of shit stirrers (usually males) who can't keep their fists to themselves.  People are generally frustrated and feel impotent.  They try to one up and talk over each other.  



Regardless, and I am soooo fucking sick and tired of reading you guys try to justify violence by victim blaming.  Putting a sign up or even getting in someone's face does NOT give someone permission to hit another person.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2017, 06:52:38 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.

Nobody should be allowed to cover their faces at a public demo. That goes for Black Blockers and Klansman equally. Public safety must come first.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Thiel on August 27, 2017, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.

Nobody should be allowed to cover their faces at a public demo. That goes for Black Blockers and Klansman equally. Public safety must come first.

What if there are consequences for having their politics known? Now, I can't see how opposing alt right would harm anyone's employment. But, the protest in Quebec City had illegal immigration as it's primary message. That's a lot more grey.



But, I have no doubt law enforcement would welcome banning disguises at protests.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.

Nobody should be allowed to cover their faces at a public demo. That goes for Black Blockers and Klansman equally. Public safety must come first.

There's no law that would disallow it nor can I see there being one because it could be a Charter issue under expression.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.

Nobody should be allowed to cover their faces at a public demo. That goes for Black Blockers and Klansman equally. Public safety must come first.

My brother is a policeman..



He supports banning disguises at public demonstrations.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 07:38:21 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.

Nobody should be allowed to cover their faces at a public demo. That goes for Black Blockers and Klansman equally. Public safety must come first.

My brother is a policeman..



He supports banning disguises at public demonstrations.

I bet!  But it will likely require a SCC decision.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I remember we had a rally at city hall in Calgary by the Worldwide Coalition Against Islam or something like that..



Their keynote speaker was a woman who was raised as a Muslim, but is very critical of Islam..



Of course, counter protesters showed up and they wanted to instigate violence, but Calgary Police got between them..



I would like to a special charge created for people who initiate violence..



If anyone  can't get their point across without violence than jail is the best place for them.

Nobody should be allowed to cover their faces at a public demo. That goes for Black Blockers and Klansman equally. Public safety must come first.

My brother is a policeman..



He supports banning disguises at public demonstrations.

I bet!  But it will likely require a SCC decision.

Probably.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2017, 08:45:55 PM
A ban on disguises would go a long way to ending violence at demonstrations. I am not just talking about alt right/alt left extremists either. I remember seeing violence at anti-pipeline protests by masked protesters.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 08:51:23 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"A ban on disguises would go a long way to ending violence at demonstrations. I am not just talking about alt right/alt left extremists either. I remember seeing violence at anti-pipeline protests by masked protesters.

Let me see what's existing in terms of precedent.



One moment please....
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 27, 2017, 08:54:55 PM
Okay, so unbeknownst to most of us, we already have these laws in Canada:



The Canadian Parliament introduced Bill C-309, which bans the wearing of masks during a riot or other unlawful assembly. The bill became law on June 19, 2013. Those convicted of it face up to 10 years in prison.



The Canadian Criminal Code Section 351(2) covers "Disguise with Intent", whereby "Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years". With some exceptions, an indictable offence in Canada is one that is subject to a fine of greater than $5,000 or imprisonment of more than six months.



So they've put it in place, but as I suspected, "The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has said that the bill contradicts the Constitution of Canada, and expects that it would not survive a constitutional challenge."
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 28, 2017, 02:24:24 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"Why do counter protesters feel they have to get in people's faces?

That's all they have left to make their mark in society with...



They are usually unemployed, sitting around on welfare, since nobody (other than the Government) wants to employ them.



They are simply useless members of society, and this is their only way to "prove something" out of themselves.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 28, 2017, 02:27:58 AM
And remember, venting your anger towards White males is acceptable in today's society.



They wouldn't DARE vent their anger towards anyone else...  White males are open targets, though, so we are a completely acceptable target.



Funny world we live in now...
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 28, 2017, 09:54:37 AM
Yeah things are starting to equalize.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 28, 2017, 02:52:19 PM
And stupid AntiFa idiots attacked people at Berkeley.  Police seem to be standing aside.



Extremism FTL!  :t1929:



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Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Harry on August 29, 2017, 12:50:58 AM
Gen Mattis alluded to these problems when he recently addressed troops in the ME.


Quote"Your buying time, your a great example for our country right now, it's got some problems, you know it and I know it. It's got problems we don't have in the military. And you just hold the line my fine young soldiers, sailors, airman, and marines. You just hold the line until our country gets back to understanding and respecting each other, showing it, being friendly to one another, that Americans owe to one another, we're so dog gone lucky to be Americans."


//http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13847/secdef-mattis-candidly-talks-domestic-social-strife-with-troops-in-impromptu-speech
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 29, 2017, 01:02:53 AM
Translation: Wait a few more years.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: realgrimm on August 29, 2017, 01:44:30 AM
Why don't you pretend like it doesn't exist .. maybe spend time on issues that really need addressing , starvation,clean drinking water , catastrophes .. after all media spins these issues by covering the same topics to steer the masses.. You'd be foolish to think this is the #1 issue the US is facing
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Harry on August 29, 2017, 02:52:59 AM
Quote from: "realgrimm"Why don't you pretend like it doesn't exist .. maybe spend time on issues that really need addressing , starvation,clean drinking water , catastrophes .. after all media spins these issues by covering the same topics to steer the masses.. You'd be foolish to think this is the #1 issue the US is facing


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Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 29, 2017, 02:56:30 AM
Quote from: "RW"Yeah things are starting to equalize.

You're joking, right?



"Equalize?"



Do you know the meaning of that word?
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 29, 2017, 03:04:11 AM
Yes I do.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 29, 2017, 03:07:58 AM
Well, then you have clearly no idea what the meaning of that word means...
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 29, 2017, 03:12:16 AM
Too high to care too :D
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 29, 2017, 03:17:08 AM
Quote from: "RW"Too high to care too :D

OK.



I won't start an argument, nor a discussion on this matter now.



I have to be up in a few short hours, to build new services for the new Chinks that buy their way here.



It is what I do!



We'll talk maybe tomorrow!  Rest well.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Harry on August 29, 2017, 03:19:40 AM
Quote from: "RW"Too high to care too :D




 :laugh3:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Odinson on August 29, 2017, 04:32:15 AM
Quote from: "RW"And stupid AntiFa idiots attacked people at Berkeley.  Police seem to be standing aside.



Extremism FTL!  :t1929:



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Why is he carrying her?



Looks like she could walk on her own.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Odinson on August 29, 2017, 04:38:36 AM
Walk yourself.. Its not like its a real flood.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2017, 07:43:50 AM
Quote from: "realgrimm"Why don't you pretend like it doesn't exist .. maybe spend time on issues that really need addressing , starvation,clean drinking water , catastrophes .. after all media spins these issues by covering the same topics to steer the masses.. You'd be foolish to think this is the #1 issue the US is facing

It's not an issue at all for most Americans. The media loves it.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: realgrimm on August 29, 2017, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: "Harry"
Quote from: "RW"Too high to care too :D




 :laugh3:
 :shok:  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Blurt on August 29, 2017, 10:50:37 PM
Quote from: "RW"Okay, so unbeknownst to most of us, we already have these laws in Canada:



The Canadian Parliament introduced Bill C-309, which bans the wearing of masks during a riot or other unlawful assembly. The bill became law on June 19, 2013. Those convicted of it face up to 10 years in prison.



The Canadian Criminal Code Section 351(2) covers "Disguise with Intent", whereby "Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years". With some exceptions, an indictable offence in Canada is one that is subject to a fine of greater than $5,000 or imprisonment of more than six months.



So they've put it in place, but as I suspected, "The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has said that the bill contradicts the Constitution of Canada, and expects that it would not survive a constitutional challenge."

Yeah, Montreal's P-6 died last year, after the courts struck it down. It had been in effect for about four years.



All hail Anarchopanda!



Quebec court rules P-6 law barring masks, requiring itineraries of protests is illegal (//http)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2017, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: "RW"Okay, so unbeknownst to most of us, we already have these laws in Canada:



The Canadian Parliament introduced Bill C-309, which bans the wearing of masks during a riot or other unlawful assembly. The bill became law on June 19, 2013. Those convicted of it face up to 10 years in prison.



The Canadian Criminal Code Section 351(2) covers "Disguise with Intent", whereby "Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years". With some exceptions, an indictable offence in Canada is one that is subject to a fine of greater than $5,000 or imprisonment of more than six months.



So they've put it in place, but as I suspected, "The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has said that the bill contradicts the Constitution of Canada, and expects that it would not survive a constitutional challenge."

That's too bad..



I know many in law enforcement support a ban on disguises at demonstrations and protests.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 30, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"Okay, so unbeknownst to most of us, we already have these laws in Canada:



The Canadian Parliament introduced Bill C-309, which bans the wearing of masks during a riot or other unlawful assembly. The bill became law on June 19, 2013. Those convicted of it face up to 10 years in prison.



The Canadian Criminal Code Section 351(2) covers "Disguise with Intent", whereby "Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years". With some exceptions, an indictable offence in Canada is one that is subject to a fine of greater than $5,000 or imprisonment of more than six months.



So they've put it in place, but as I suspected, "The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has said that the bill contradicts the Constitution of Canada, and expects that it would not survive a constitutional challenge."

That's too bad..



I know many in law enforcement support a ban on disguises at demonstrations and protests.

Until such challenge comes down the pipe, it stands, which I agree is a good thing.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 02:37:44 AM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"Okay, so unbeknownst to most of us, we already have these laws in Canada:



The Canadian Parliament introduced Bill C-309, which bans the wearing of masks during a riot or other unlawful assembly. The bill became law on June 19, 2013. Those convicted of it face up to 10 years in prison.



The Canadian Criminal Code Section 351(2) covers "Disguise with Intent", whereby "Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years". With some exceptions, an indictable offence in Canada is one that is subject to a fine of greater than $5,000 or imprisonment of more than six months.



So they've put it in place, but as I suspected, "The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has said that the bill contradicts the Constitution of Canada, and expects that it would not survive a constitutional challenge."

That's too bad..



I know many in law enforcement support a ban on disguises at demonstrations and protests.

Until such challenge comes down the pipe, it stands, which I agree is a good thing.

I was surprised about this and perhaps the police do not enforce it..



But, I do remember my brother once saying he doesn't know any policeman who doesn't support banning disguising one's identity at these demonstrations..



But, his detachment is in rural Manitoba which doesn't get many demonstrations.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 31, 2017, 02:43:41 AM
The Criminal Code is Canada wide so it would apply in Manitoba :)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 02:49:15 AM
Quote from: "RW"The Criminal Code is Canada wide so it would apply in Manitoba :)

I know that, but that's not what I'm saying..



I mean he hasn't likely been called out to provide safety at demonstrations in rural Manitoba.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: realgrimm on August 31, 2017, 02:55:59 AM
Quote from: "RW"The Criminal Code is Canada wide so it would apply in Manitoba :)


Can I get a victim  :MG_216:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 31, 2017, 03:12:12 AM
Quote from: "realgrimm"
Quote from: "RW"The Criminal Code is Canada wide so it would apply in Manitoba :)




Wrong again, Criminal Code is provincial unless it's a FED charge..   :MG_216:



Legislation is different in each province

Wrong.  



"The criminal law of Canada is under the exclusive legislative jurisdiction of the Canadian federal government. The power to enact criminal law is derived from section 91(27) of the Constitution Act, 1867."



Again, try being correct.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 03:27:05 AM
I saw yet another First Nations demo/whine fest in Saskatoon last year I believe. Lots of people with bandanas covering their mugs.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: realgrimm on August 31, 2017, 03:42:03 AM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "realgrimm"
Quote from: "RW"The Criminal Code is Canada wide so it would apply in Manitoba :)




Wrong again, Criminal Code is provincial unless it's a FED charge..   :MG_216:



Legislation is different in each province

Wrong.  



"The criminal law of Canada is under the exclusive legislative jurisdiction of the Canadian federal government. The power to enact criminal law is derived from section 91(27) of the Constitution Act, 1867."



Again, try being correct.


Nice try   :roll:  



You lefties are to much  :laugh:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 31, 2017, 05:36:34 AM
RW is actually correct this time...  The Criminal Code of Canada is Federal, as the name implies, and is to be applied equally to all Provinces.



Provinces are free to adopt their own rules, but these would not be enforced under the CCC.  They would be enforced by lesser entities, like the Liquor Control Act of Wherever, the Motor Vehicle Act of Wherever, etc...
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 07:01:27 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"RW is actually correct this time...  The Criminal Code of Canada is Federal, as the name implies, and is to be applied equally to all Provinces.



Provinces are free to adopt their own rules, but these would not be enforced under the CCC.  They would be enforced by lesser entities, like the Liquor Control Act of Wherever, the Motor Vehicle Act of Wherever, etc...

Federal law does trump provicial. But, I know enforcement is on a case by case basis.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Angry White Male on August 31, 2017, 07:08:53 AM
Not really.



Federal (Canadian Criminal Code) sets the bar...



You do one thing here, the same punishment will happen there.  It's equal across the board.



Only lesser matters change, like municipal bylaw acts, liquor and tobacco acts, etc...  can raise the bar.



Just like why you can drink in a few Provinces at 18, while most are 19.  Criminal Code sets the bar at 18.  Provincial Liquor Act can, and will, raise that to 19.  Nonetheless, you cannot be charged with a Criminal Code crime if you're 18, possessing liquor in a 19 Province.  It would be municipal tickets and the such...
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Wazzzup on August 31, 2017, 01:26:33 PM
I normally can't stand Nancy Pelosi but I have to give her big kudos here for her words on Antifa--



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-better-welcome-nancy-pelosi-as-a-free-speech-ally-against-the-antifa-mob/article/2633011


QuoteShe was tough on crime, calling for the (antifa) perpetrators "to be arrested and persecuted." She denounced violence "no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts." And most importantly, she appealed to permanent principle, specifically the "right to peaceful dissent and free speech."

In spite of the media's Charlottesville cover up. The truth is coming out about antifa, and now much of the left are cutting their losses and throwing them under the bus.  That's okay though, that's where they belong.  



By the way, the media owes Trump a big apology, He was exactly right,  it really WAS multiple sides at Charlotte that were at fault, the media are liars, and they were wrong as usual.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 31, 2017, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"I normally can't stand Nancy Pelosi but I have to give her big kudos here for her words on Antifa--



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-better-welcome-nancy-pelosi-as-a-free-speech-ally-against-the-antifa-mob/article/2633011


QuoteShe was tough on crime, calling for the (antifa) perpetrators "to be arrested and persecuted." She denounced violence "no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts." And most importantly, she appealed to permanent principle, specifically the "right to peaceful dissent and free speech."

In spite of the media's Charlottesville cover up. The truth is coming out about antifa, and now much of the left are cutting their losses and throwing them under the bus.  That's okay though, that's where they belong.  



By the way, the media owes Trump a big apology, He was exactly right,  it really WAS multiple sides at Charlotte that were at fault, the media are liars, and they were wrong as usual.

Agreeing with Trump on the point about both sides being violence got me called a "racist".  Speaking out against the hate speech got me called a "traitor".  



Same idiots.  Different piles.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 05:12:11 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Not really.



Federal (Canadian Criminal Code) sets the bar...



You do one thing here, the same punishment will happen there.  It's equal across the board.



Only lesser matters change, like municipal bylaw acts, liquor and tobacco acts, etc...  can raise the bar.



Just like why you can drink in a few Provinces at 18, while most are 19.  Criminal Code sets the bar at 18.  Provincial Liquor Act can, and will, raise that to 19.  Nonetheless, you cannot be charged with a Criminal Code crime if you're 18, possessing liquor in a 19 Province.  It would be municipal tickets and the such...

I think that's what iron horse jockey was saying Mel.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"I normally can't stand Nancy Pelosi but I have to give her big kudos here for her words on Antifa--



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-better-welcome-nancy-pelosi-as-a-free-speech-ally-against-the-antifa-mob/article/2633011


QuoteShe was tough on crime, calling for the (antifa) perpetrators "to be arrested and persecuted." She denounced violence "no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts." And most importantly, she appealed to permanent principle, specifically the "right to peaceful dissent and free speech."

In spite of the media's Charlottesville cover up. The truth is coming out about antifa, and now much of the left are cutting their losses and throwing them under the bus.  That's okay though, that's where they belong.  



By the way, the media owes Trump a big apology, He was exactly right,  it really WAS multiple sides at Charlotte that were at fault, the media are liars, and they were wrong as usual.

The police knew a violent counter protest was likely and did not do enough to prevent it..



I blame senior Charlottesville police.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Wazzzup on August 31, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"I normally can't stand Nancy Pelosi but I have to give her big kudos here for her words on Antifa--



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-better-welcome-nancy-pelosi-as-a-free-speech-ally-against-the-antifa-mob/article/2633011


QuoteShe was tough on crime, calling for the (antifa) perpetrators "to be arrested and persecuted." She denounced violence "no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts." And most importantly, she appealed to permanent principle, specifically the "right to peaceful dissent and free speech."

In spite of the media's Charlottesville cover up. The truth is coming out about antifa, and now much of the left are cutting their losses and throwing them under the bus.  That's okay though, that's where they belong.  



By the way, the media owes Trump a big apology, He was exactly right,  it really WAS multiple sides at Charlotte that were at fault, the media are liars, and they were wrong as usual.

The police knew a violent counter protest was likely and did not do enough to prevent it..



I blame senior Charlottesville police.


It would not surprise me if the Charolottesville mayor, or as the ACLU claims, Virginia Governor terry Mccauliff, who is one of the most corrupt politicaions around,  told the police to stand down.  Just like the Berkeley mayor did at the Milo event.  I think they knew antifa and black lives matter were going to attack people.  They wanted them to. And they wanted them to get away with it.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"I normally can't stand Nancy Pelosi but I have to give her big kudos here for her words on Antifa--



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-better-welcome-nancy-pelosi-as-a-free-speech-ally-against-the-antifa-mob/article/2633011


QuoteShe was tough on crime, calling for the (antifa) perpetrators "to be arrested and persecuted." She denounced violence "no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts." And most importantly, she appealed to permanent principle, specifically the "right to peaceful dissent and free speech."

In spite of the media's Charlottesville cover up. The truth is coming out about antifa, and now much of the left are cutting their losses and throwing them under the bus.  That's okay though, that's where they belong.  



By the way, the media owes Trump a big apology, He was exactly right,  it really WAS multiple sides at Charlotte that were at fault, the media are liars, and they were wrong as usual.

The police knew a violent counter protest was likely and did not do enough to prevent it..



I blame senior Charlottesville police.


It would not surprise me if the Charolottesville mayor, or as the ACLU claims, Virginia Governor terry Mccauliff, who is one of the most corrupt politicaions around,  told the police to stand down.  Just like the Berkeley mayor did at the Milo event.  I think they knew antifa and black lives matter were going to attack people.  They wanted them to. And they wanted them to get away with it.

But, until it's proven either of those two ordered the police not to do their job, I blame the chief of police.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 31, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Not really.



Federal (Canadian Criminal Code) sets the bar...



You do one thing here, the same punishment will happen there.  It's equal across the board.



Only lesser matters change, like municipal bylaw acts, liquor and tobacco acts, etc...  can raise the bar.



Just like why you can drink in a few Provinces at 18, while most are 19.  Criminal Code sets the bar at 18.  Provincial Liquor Act can, and will, raise that to 19.  Nonetheless, you cannot be charged with a Criminal Code crime if you're 18, possessing liquor in a 19 Province.  It would be municipal tickets and the such...

Possession and drinking age are not covered by the Criminal Code - only driving while impaired is.  The Criminal Code makes no mention of legal drinking age.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 31, 2017, 05:58:22 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"Not really.



Federal (Canadian Criminal Code) sets the bar...



You do one thing here, the same punishment will happen there.  It's equal across the board.



Only lesser matters change, like municipal bylaw acts, liquor and tobacco acts, etc...  can raise the bar.



Just like why you can drink in a few Provinces at 18, while most are 19.  Criminal Code sets the bar at 18.  Provincial Liquor Act can, and will, raise that to 19.  Nonetheless, you cannot be charged with a Criminal Code crime if you're 18, possessing liquor in a 19 Province.  It would be municipal tickets and the such...

I think that's what iron horse jockey was saying Mel.

And like Mel, he too would be incorrect :)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2017, 06:30:17 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"I normally can't stand Nancy Pelosi but I have to give her big kudos here for her words on Antifa--



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-better-welcome-nancy-pelosi-as-a-free-speech-ally-against-the-antifa-mob/article/2633011


QuoteShe was tough on crime, calling for the (antifa) perpetrators "to be arrested and persecuted." She denounced violence "no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts." And most importantly, she appealed to permanent principle, specifically the "right to peaceful dissent and free speech."

In spite of the media's Charlottesville cover up. The truth is coming out about antifa, and now much of the left are cutting their losses and throwing them under the bus.  That's okay though, that's where they belong.  



By the way, the media owes Trump a big apology, He was exactly right,  it really WAS multiple sides at Charlotte that were at fault, the media are liars, and they were wrong as usual.

The police knew a violent counter protest was likely and did not do enough to prevent it..



I blame senior Charlottesville police.


It would not surprise me if the Charolottesville mayor, or as the ACLU claims, Virginia Governor terry Mccauliff, who is one of the most corrupt politicaions around,  told the police to stand down.  Just like the Berkeley mayor did at the Milo event.  I think they knew antifa and black lives matter were going to attack people.  They wanted them to. And they wanted them to get away with it.

I say McCauliff is the one who allowed the violence.



But, this story has gotten far too much press. It's not an important issue.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 31, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"Haters seem to be consistently outnumbered.  Take the hint!



"2 arrested at anti-Islam rally in London, Ont. Counter-protesters in front of City Hall outnumber PEGIDA backers about 10 to 1"



...



"One man was taken into custody after allegedly punching a counter-protester who had pushed a sign toward his face. Police said a second person was arrested for a breach of peace. As of Saturday afternoon, no charges had been laid. The standoff lasted about two hours, until PEGIDA supporters left."



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/london/london-nationalist-rally-1.4263721

So who are the haters?



The ones who protested peacefully or the ones that got in their faces?


It's always the leftards as God is my witness. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Wazzzup on August 31, 2017, 10:06:25 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"Haters seem to be consistently outnumbered.  Take the hint!



"2 arrested at anti-Islam rally in London, Ont. Counter-protesters in front of City Hall outnumber PEGIDA backers about 10 to 1"



...



"One man was taken into custody after allegedly punching a counter-protester who had pushed a sign toward his face. Police said a second person was arrested for a breach of peace. As of Saturday afternoon, no charges had been laid. The standoff lasted about two hours, until PEGIDA supporters left."



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/london/london-nationalist-rally-1.4263721

So who are the haters?



The ones who protested peacefully or the ones that got in their faces?


It's always the leftards as God is my witness. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.  :laugh3:

 

yep leftists.   One day you probably won't be able to say that last part.  leftist bookburners are going after Gone with the Wind,  cause its racist :001_rolleyes:  (Isn't everything???)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 31, 2017, 10:08:00 PM
Still ironic given the types that work at squashing discussion here have all been righties.  Isn't that right, rightards?



Haha
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on August 31, 2017, 11:44:58 PM
I'm adding this lying pecker to the go home haters list because he committed violence...only it was against himself:


QuoteThis Man Who Claimed He Was Stabbed After Being Mistaken For A Neo-Nazi Was Lying



A man who claimed that he was stabbed after being mistaken for a neo-Nazi now admits that he made the whole story up after accidentally stabbing himself.



Joshua Witt, 26, told police two weeks ago that he was getting out of his car in the parking lot of a Steak 'n Shake in Sheridan, Colorado, when a man came over to him and attacked him with a knife.



On Monday, the Sheridan Police Department told BuzzFeed News in a statement that Witt admitted to making the story up after police confronted him with evidence that the attack never took place.



Witt, who posted his claims on Facebook, claimed that a man asked him if he was a neo-Nazi while reaching over his open car door to stab him.



"I was just getting out of my car to go get myself a milkshake and the next thing I hear is 'You one of them neo-Nazis' as this man is swinging a knife at my head over my car door," Witt told BuzzFeed News at the time. "I threw my hands up out of natural reflex and then I kind of dived back in my car as the suspect took off running."



Police became suspicious of his story because surveillance video did not show anyone running from the scene, as Witt had claimed, and because police found and interviewed someone who matched Witt's description of the attacker, "who is a transient and lives in the area was cleared as a possible suspect."



They also looked at video from a nearby sporting goods store, which showed Witt buying a small knife minutes before the alleged attack.



https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhiprakash/this-man-says-he-was-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi-and-stabbed?utm_term=.naLRG9AKA#.avw397AqA
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2017, 02:39:38 AM
I have no absolutely no time for the politics of some..



Particularly, the pro choice(pro death) crowd..



Their views are much more vile in my opinion than alt righters..



But, there's no way I want them to go home, or would I endorse violence against them..



I accept this is a pluralistic society.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 03:23:19 AM
Pro choice?  Huh?



The post was about a guy stabbing himself and claiming he was attacked for looking like a neo-Nazi.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2017, 03:41:09 AM
Quote from: "RW"Pro choice?  Huh?



The post was about a guy stabbing himself and claiming he was attacked for looking like a neo-Nazi.

Are you this frickin stupid. She's talking about different pov's she hates, but tolerates. Get it dunce?  Are you still in mourning for some alt left piece of shit getting a taste of their own frickin medicine.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2017, 07:28:03 AM
I knew what Fash meant.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 11:17:14 AM
Yeah I see it now but I was too out of it last night.



It happens :)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Odinson on September 01, 2017, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: "RW"Yeah I see it now but I was too out of it last night.



It happens :)

Smoking  too much pot?
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Wazzzup on September 01, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"I have no absolutely no time for the politics of some..



Particularly, the pro choice(pro death) crowd..



Their views are much more vile in my opinion than alt righters..



But, there's no way I want them to go home, or would I endorse violence against them..



I accept this is a pluralistic society.


(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b%20...%201_1280.jpg%22%3Ehttp://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I have no absolutely no time for the politics of some..



Particularly, the pro choice(pro death) crowd..



Their views are much more vile in my opinion than alt righters..



But, there's no way I want them to go home, or would I endorse violence against them..



I accept this is a pluralistic society.


(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b%20...%201_1280.jpg%22%3Ehttp://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)

I love it how you righties turn to lefties for quotes to support your own intolerance.  It's fucking hilarious!
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Wazzzup on September 01, 2017, 03:09:04 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I have no absolutely no time for the politics of some..



Particularly, the pro choice(pro death) crowd..



Their views are much more vile in my opinion than alt righters..



But, there's no way I want them to go home, or would I endorse violence against them..



I accept this is a pluralistic society.


(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b%20...%201_1280.jpg%22%3Ehttp://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)

I love it how you righties turn to lefties for quotes to support your own intolerance.  It's fucking hilarious!


Intolerance :confused1:  The only intolerance I have shown is intolerance for your totalitarian views on free speech.



That quote above is from an old school liberal that believed in free speech not the sad totalitarian leftist imitations out there now.   There is great wisdom in that quote, no matter what side of things you are on.  The fact that you dont see it, speaks loudly and clearly as to what you are about.



Heres another famous quote, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

the modern leftist RW version,  "I disapprove of what you say, and I will try to shut you up any way I can."



You and the modern left  are free speech destroying totalitarians.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I have no absolutely no time for the politics of some..



Particularly, the pro choice(pro death) crowd..



Their views are much more vile in my opinion than alt righters..



But, there's no way I want them to go home, or would I endorse violence against them..



I accept this is a pluralistic society.


(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b%20...%201_1280.jpg%22%3Ehttp://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)

I love it how you righties turn to lefties for quotes to support your own intolerance.  It's fucking hilarious!


Intolerance :confused1:  The only intolerance I have shown is intolerance for your totalitarian views on free speech.



That quote above is from an old school liberal that believed in free speech not the sad totalitarian leftist imitations out there now.   There is great wisdom in that quote, no matter what side of things you are on.  The fact that you dont see it, speaks loudly and clearly as to what you are about.



Heres another famous quote, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

the modern leftist RW version,  "I disapprove of what you say, and I will try to shut you up any way I can."



You and the modern left  are free speech destroying totalitarians.

I've admired the work of Chomsky for years.  I'm glad you finally saw it to enjoy him yourself, even if it's self serving.



I support free speech with justifiable limits like the ones we have now against slander, coercion, harassment, etc.  You don't?  You think people should be able to use speech that harms others?



For shame!
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 04:49:21 PM
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Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2017, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b%20...%201_1280.jpg%22%3Ehttp://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)

Precisely Wazzzup.

 :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: cc on September 01, 2017, 05:48:00 PM
A big DITTO on that
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 06:06:47 PM
Chomsky goes far beyond memes on this issue and I can't agree more.  AntiFa is a gift to the right and robs the left of an opportunity for civil discourse.  



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/noam-chomsky-antifa-major-gift-right-wing-anti-fascist-alt-left-a7906406.html
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: realgrimm on September 01, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
Agreed on the meme xcept Anon
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 01, 2017, 06:40:02 PM
The left and civil discourse don't go together, from what we see today.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"The left and civil discourse don't go together, from what we see today.

I disagree :)



And AntiFa is NOT the left.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Wazzzup on September 01, 2017, 07:12:06 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I have no absolutely no time for the politics of some..



Particularly, the pro choice(pro death) crowd..



Their views are much more vile in my opinion than alt righters..



But, there's no way I want them to go home, or would I endorse violence against them..



I accept this is a pluralistic society.


(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b%20...%201_1280.jpg%22%3Ehttp://68.media.tumblr.com/c83b8fa7832b4056a98cb432f410783d/tumblr_ng3sg68Y3g1rogoo3o1_1280.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)

I love it how you righties turn to lefties for quotes to support your own intolerance.  It's fucking hilarious!


Intolerance :confused1:  The only intolerance I have shown is intolerance for your totalitarian views on free speech.



That quote above is from an old school liberal that believed in free speech not the sad totalitarian leftist imitations out there now.   There is great wisdom in that quote, no matter what side of things you are on.  The fact that you dont see it, speaks loudly and clearly as to what you are about.



Heres another famous quote, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

the modern leftist RW version,  "I disapprove of what you say, and I will try to shut you up any way I can."



You and the modern left  are free speech destroying totalitarians.

I've admired the work of Chomsky for years.  I'm glad you finally saw it to enjoy him yourself, even if it's self serving.



I support free speech with justifiable limits like the ones we have now against slander, coercion, harassment, etc.  You don't?  You think people should be able to use speech that harms others?



For shame!

Strawman argument and a giant fail, typical :001_rolleyes:



the difference is--You support calling certain speech "hate speech" and punishing it. hate speech can't even be defiined.  What if Fashionista wasn't as tolerant of different views as she is, and said any pro abortion speech is "hate speech"  lets ban it?  Would you agree to that?  



Dance around all you want, but I see whats happening--yours and the lefts goal-- declare all sorts of speech YOU DON'T LIKE "hate speech" most of which isn't, so you can take away dissent.    



Even Chomsky makes you and the modern left look like nutty authoritarian extremists by comparison, you'd think that would bring you to your senses, but you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny of totalitarianism that you are.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
Chomsky is a leftist, not an extreme, fringe progressive idiot that you seem to like calling a leftie.   ac_boring



Hate speech is legally defined in my country and an existing law (since the 70s).  Sure I talk about the law as it currently exists.



Hate propaganda (speech) is legally defined as follows:
Quote from: "Criminal Code of Canada"
318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.



(2) In this section, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,



(a) killing members of the group; or



(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.



In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.



Public incitement of hatred



319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of



Wilful promotion of hatred



(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of



(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)



(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;



(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;



(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or



(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada


What do you feel in the above law poses a threat to your opinions or freedoms?
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 01, 2017, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"The left and civil discourse don't go together, from what we see today.

I disagree :)



And AntiFa is NOT the left.


I disagree. I don't see the left wanting any discourse at all.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"The left and civil discourse don't go together, from what we see today.

I disagree :)



And AntiFa is NOT the left.


I disagree. I don't see the left wanting any discourse at all.

The left isn't usually the one who backs down from discourse.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 01, 2017, 11:44:30 PM
Usually being the key word. Times have changed.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 01, 2017, 11:46:49 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Usually being the key word. Times have changed.

Yeah....



Not really.



You can even see it on this board Azh.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Wazzzup on September 02, 2017, 01:35:24 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"The left and civil discourse don't go together, from what we see today.

I disagree :)



And AntiFa is NOT the left.


I disagree. I don't see the left wanting any discourse at all.
  I don't know how it is in canada, but in the US the left almost never makes arguments for their side anymore at all.  All they try to do is shut people up, (often with violence), and then yell racism at them for everything else.



Whats the left's answer for illegal immigration? yell racism at people

Whats the left's answer for making sure jihadists don't get in the country? yell Islamophobia at people

Whats the left's answer for Obamas doubling the US deficit?  yell-- you don't like Obama because he's black.

and so on and so on



I thinks that's why they are attacking speech everywhere you look.  they can't argue their side anymore, most don't even try.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 01:39:00 PM
That is precisely what I mean. What discourse indeed? They don't even want discourse, as I already said.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"The left and civil discourse don't go together, from what we see today.

I disagree :)



And AntiFa is NOT the left.


I disagree. I don't see the left wanting any discourse at all.
  I don't know how it is in canada, but in the US the left almost never makes arguments for their side anymore at all.  All they try to do is shut people up, (often with violence), and then yell racism at them for everything else.



Whats the left's answer for illegal immigration? yell racism at people

Whats the left's answer for making sure jihadists don't get in the country? yell Islamophobia at people

Whats the left's answer for Obamas doubling the US deficit?  yell-- you don't like Obama because he's black.

and so on and so on



I thinks that's why they are attacking speech everywhere you look.  they can't argue their side anymore, most don't even try.

See you think fringe groups are lefties and they aren't.  Just like the KKK doesn't represent the right, AntiFa doesn't represent the left.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"That is precisely what I mean. What discourse indeed? They don't even want discourse, as I already said.

That's just biased political bullshit Azhya.  It cuts both ways.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 01:46:13 PM
According to you, RW, but I don't see it at all. It's not evident at all to me. Maybe back in the day. What's playing out for all of us to see now is not so.



I'll just follow Joel Osteen's practice of "ignoring the critics." The president should too. :thumbup:  ac_biggrin
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"According to you, RW, but I don't see it at all. It's not evident at all to me. Maybe back in the day. What's playing out for all of us to see now is not so.



I'll just follow Joel Osteen's practice of "ignoring the critics." The president should too. :thumbup:  ac_biggrin

Exactly!  "Ignoring the critics" isn't an attitude conducive to dialogue or discourse.  



I see it even here on this board Azhya.  I watched it go down in the Politics and Supremacy subs.  People want to talk but the right controls the dialogue through inventing rules and using the mod panel to control discussions.  I can be called a "leftard" every single day but when I started saying "rightard" there suddenly was a rule about no insults.  It was not ever enforced on anyone else.  I am the only one who gets called out for being insulting despite being insulted every day.



That's really the problem - hypocrisy.  We all seem to want rules and restrictions but only for one side.  It doesn't work that way.  The sooner we wake up to that, the better we'll be.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 02:22:45 PM
Ignoring is a perfectly good method when you know you will not be heard anyway because your opponent is damn sure they are right. Ignoring is much better than reacting with violence. At least we're not trying to shut anyone down. Leftists will not hear the right because they are arrogant and behave like privileged brats when they believe that they are always right and they are the only ones that have society's best interest and anyone who oppose them must be squashed. Ignoring is the safest response. It shouldn't come as a surprise. No one wants to be shut down because every one has every reason to believe what they believe. If anyone must change their perspective, it can only happen naturally, not pushed down one's throat.



Let's face it. Some ranters want attention and they want a tumultuous outcome but ignoring their rants and not allowing their tumultuous outcome to materialize is often better than the alternative. How many times have I heard anyone tell me "just ignore it" when I was about to lash out at someone and I listened to them and I avoided trouble for doing so. Ignoring is practical.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 02:23:56 PM
By ignoring people that's EXACTLY what you're doing - shutting them down.  Guess what happens then?  They get louder.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: cc on September 02, 2017, 02:27:27 PM
QuoteIgnoring is a perfectly good method when you know you will not be heard anyway

Exactly, Asia.



It works 4 me
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: cc on September 02, 2017, 02:27:53 PM
QuoteIgnoring is a perfectly good method when you know you will not be heard anyway

Exactly, Asia.



It sure works 4 me
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: "cc"
QuoteIgnoring is a perfectly good method when you know you will not be heard anyway

Exactly, Asia.



It sure works 4 me


Oh who the fuck do you think you're kidding?  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 02:29:00 PM
No. How can I be shutting you down when you are free to rant? Or do you mean that I am not saying, "Yes, you are right about that. You have changed me. I agree with you now. Let's go!" What qualifies as not being shut down? I'm not telling you to stop expressing yourself. You are free to do that.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: "cc"
QuoteIgnoring is a perfectly good method when you know you will not be heard anyway

Exactly, Asia.



It sure works 4 me


 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on September 02, 2017, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: "cc"
QuoteIgnoring is a perfectly good method when you know you will not be heard anyway

Exactly, Asia.



It works 4 me

It works 4 me too. That's would I would if there was a demo in favour of Trudeau's open border policy for bogus refugees entering from the US here in Winnipeg.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"No. How can I be shutting you down when you are free to rant? Or do you mean that I am not saying, "Yes, you are right about that. You have changed me. I agree with you now. Let's go!" What qualifies as not being shut down? I'm not telling you to stop expressing yourself. You are free to do that.

You aren't present in a conversation.  It's called stone walling.  Sure people can rant to themselves but removing the audience means people aren't being HEARD.  It's not about saying things, it's about being people listening.



When people aren't heard, they get frustrated.  That's true on both sides of the political coin and when people feel they aren't being heard, they get louder (and more violent).



I honestly can't believe that there's this attitude that you can't influence people.  I seek out differences in opinions for that purpose alone.  I want to understand which is why I generally don't ignore people, even shitty people or hypocrites or asshole.  You learn nothing in an echo chamber.



I'm not saying you should talk about what you don't want talk about but pretty it goes away if you ignore it doesn't work well with socio-political issues.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: cc on September 02, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
Asia. I suspect maybe you meant, as I did ... "selective"  ignoring ... used only for hard core cases of "no-listen, not even get message, then reply as though you said nothing"??
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 02:53:45 PM
Huh? cc you confuse me sometimes. Let me read it again...hahahahaha!
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: "cc"Asia. I suspect maybe you meant, as I did ... "selective"  ignoring ... used only for hard core cases of "no-listen, not even get message, then reply as though you said nothing"??

Don't worry cc.  I know what you meant with your veiled criticism.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Huh? cc you confuse me sometimes. Let me read it again...hahahahaha!

Don't worry Az, it's just cc giving me a cheap shot likes she's wont to do.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "cc"Asia. I suspect maybe you meant, as I did ... "selective"  ignoring ... used only for hard core cases of "no-listen, not even get message, then reply as though you said nothing"??

Don't worry cc.  I know what you meant with your veiled criticism.


Wooooooo... :laugh:
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 02:59:09 PM
Well, you have an audience now, don't you? I think right now there are 3 posters in this conversation with you, aren't there?
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Well, you have an audience now, don't you? I think right now there are 3 posters in this conversation with you, aren't there?

Im glad to have it too!  That said, I am well aware of what people think of me but what I really like is hearing opinions.  I actually learn a lot so thank you for engaging with me. :)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2017, 03:19:24 PM
Good.



Frankly, it would be boring if we all agreed all the time. It is stimulating to have discussions between folks with varying perspectives. I prefer debating though without name calling. That's my shtick. Otherwise, we might as well just be cunning linguists and masterdebaters. Hahaha!



When I find myself in a debate where people are name calling, it feels like I'm in the streets engaging with vagabonds. That was my first impression when I found myself in DV when I first discovered it that fateful day in 2008.
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Good.



Frankly, it would be boring if we all agreed all the time. It is stimulating to have discussions between folks with varying perspectives. I prefer debating though without name calling. That's my shtick. Otherwise, we might as well just be cunning linguists and masterdebaters. Hahaha!



When I find myself in a debate where people are name calling, it feels like I'm in the streets engaging with vagabonds. That was my first impression when I found myself in DV when I first discovered it that fateful day in 2008.

I try to match the other person's style or tactics.  It has varying degrees of success.  I'm working on my need to "show" people their own behaviours.  I don't know if it's because I wanted to be a teacher in my previous life or if I'm just a petty asshole :D



I miss DV.  I think I miss the old versions of us that weren't beaten up as much by life. :)
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Harry on September 02, 2017, 03:29:01 PM
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Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: RW on September 02, 2017, 03:36:55 PM
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I love this!
Title: Re: Go home haters
Post by: Anonymous on September 02, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Good.



Frankly, it would be boring if we all agreed all the time. It is stimulating to have discussions between folks with varying perspectives. I prefer debating though without name calling. That's my shtick. Otherwise, we might as well just be cunning linguists and masterdebaters. Hahaha!



When I find myself in a debate where people are name calling, it feels like I'm in the streets engaging with vagabonds. That was my first impression when I found myself in DV when I first discovered it that fateful day in 2008.

I would prefer to  attack a position and not the person too. But, when neither side will give an inch, it's almost inevitable.
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