Don't get me wrong, I think a government should, and must, keep its borders secure. Down here, it's relatively easy because our country is surrounded by water, and we have some of the most hard-line immigration policies in the western world.
The problem with the US is they appear not to have ever enforced their border control effectively, regardless of the color of the administration. Whether it was a form of implied consent, or not, I don't know, and I'm not about to research it. But when you find your country has 11 million people living in it illegally, it's obviously a problem that didn't spring up overnight, or in the last year, or 10, or 20...
From the outside, looking in, these so-called "Dreamers" seem to be a special case. We're talking about late teens and 20-somethings born in the US, educated in the US, trained in the US, and probably more loyal to the US than their country of birth. 800,000 of them.
Shipping them all out makes no sense to me.
//http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/04/daca-trump-expected-to-end-dreamers-immigration-program.html
//https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-daca/trump-to-scrap-protection-for-dreamers-give-congress-six-months-to-fix-idUSKCN1BF02F
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Trump to scrap protection for 'Dreamers,' give Congress six months to fix
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump has decided to scrap a program shielding from deportation immigrants who came to the United States illegally as children but will give Congress six months to craft legislation to replace it, sources familiar with the situation said.
The president decided to delay enforcement of his decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, the two sources said on Sunday. One source cautioned that the president could change his mind.
The decision to give Congress half a year to come up with an alternative, first reported by Politico, represents a compromise of sorts after top Republicans and business leaders asked Trump to keep the program.
DACA, an Obama administration policy, protects nearly 800,000 young men and women often called "Dreamers" from deportation and allows them to work legally.
Dreamers are a fraction of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States, most of them Hispanic. Trump as a candidate promised to deport all of them, but many Americans have rallied to support the young adults who have spent large parts of their lives in the United States.
The decision, to be announced on Tuesday, will seek to placate both sides in the immigration debate at a time when the president is also grappling with North Korea's nuclear program and Houston's recovery from Hurricane Harvey.
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As a candidate, Trump pledged to immediately scrap the program but he ran into stiff opposition.
House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan urged Trump on Friday not to rescind the program and was joined by Senator Orrin Hatch, also a Republican.
FILE PHOTO - People hold signs against U.S. President Donald Trump's proposed end of the DACA program that protects immigrant children from deportation at a protest in New York City, U.S., August 30, 2017. REUTERS/Joe Penney
Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Cuban-American Republican from Florida tweeted her dismay with the decision to scrap DACA: "After teasing #Dreamers for months with talk of his 'great heart,' @POTUS slams door on them. Some 'heart'."
That said, Trump's base will likely be far from happy about the president's decision to leave open the option of a fix. Representative Steve King, a hawk on immigration and Iowa Republican, tweeted his opposition to the plan on Sunday night.
Democrats, like Senator Al Franken of Minnesota, also wanted the program to continue. Franken called the reported decision a "disgrace."
Nancy Pelosi, the top House Democrat, last week asked Ryan to meet with Democratic lawmakers to discuss a "comprehensive legislative solution."
Leading business figures defended the Dreamers, including Microsoft chief executive Satya Nadella and Facebook Inc (FB.O) CEO Mark Zuckerberg, who signed a letter to the president outlining the economic contribution of Dreamers.
Prior to the news of Trump's action, Apple Inc (AAPL.O) CEO Tim Cook tweeted, "250 of my Apple coworkers are #Dreamers. I stand with them."
But U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin downplayed those warnings on Sunday, telling Fox News Sunday he was "less concerned about the economic impact."
Most of the Dreamers came from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America. More than 200,000 live in California, while 100,000 are in Texas. New York, Illinois and Florida also have large numbers.
Congress under presidents of both parties has been unable to pass comprehensive immigration reform. What to do about Dreamers has been actively debated within the White House and Trump administration. One senior administration official described the debate as a "tug of war" between factions.
DACA supporters argue that the people it protects grew up and are U.S. educated and integrated into American society, with little connection to the countries in which they are citizens. Opponents of the program argue that illegal immigrants take jobs from U.S. citizens.
our country is surrounded by water.....girt by sea ??????
your as fucken yarpie aintcha ? ;)
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your as fucken yarpie aintcha ? ;)
No Seth Efrikaan blood here. :laugh:
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The problem with the US is they appear not to have ever enforced their border control effectively, regardless of the color of the administration. Whether it was a form of implied consent, or not, I don't know, and I'm not about to research it. But when you find your country has 11 million people living in it illegally, it's obviously a problem that didn't spring up overnight, or in the last year, or 10, or 20...
It makes no difference which party controls the executive and legislative branches of government. American agriculture in particular is dependent on illegal labour.
America was built on cheap slave labour, and that very mentality continues to this day.
THAT is why nothing will ever change... Big Business does NOT want to lose its pool of minimum wage (or less) slaves, and big business has more clout than you think.
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America was built on cheap slave labour, and that very mentality continues to this day.
THAT is why nothing will ever change... Big Business does NOT want to lose its pool of minimum wage (or less) slaves, and big business has more clout than you think.
Americans want, no demand abundant low cost food.
Exactly. America may hate Wal Mart, but it DEMANDS Wal Mart keeps rolling back prices... There is only ONE way to do this.
Reading between the lines, Mnuchin is saying nothing is going to happen:
//http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steven-mnuchin-not-worried-about-economic-impact-of-ending-daca/article/2633307
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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Sunday he was not worried about any financial fallout related to ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, despite business advocates warning the deportation of so-called "Dreamers" could cause the economy to shed $460 billion. "
"As it relates to immigration, the president is very focused on legal immigration," Mnuchin told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "As it relates to the economic impact, I am less concerned about the economic impact. We'll make sure that we have plenty of workers in this economy."
In any event, why focus on the 800,000 Dreamers, when there are 11 million illegals in the country? Is it just because, having submitted their paperwork, they are on record and are easier to find?
Surely, these 800,000 US-educated people are of significant value to the economy?
My guess is that the American raised "dreamers" aren't contributing to the economy, whereas the illegals are much loved by business owners, and home owners alike, as cheap labour!
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Reading between the lines, Mnuchin is saying nothing is going to happen:
//http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steven-mnuchin-not-worried-about-economic-impact-of-ending-daca/article/2633307
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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Sunday he was not worried about any financial fallout related to ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, despite business advocates warning the deportation of so-called "Dreamers" could cause the economy to shed $460 billion. "
"As it relates to immigration, the president is very focused on legal immigration," Mnuchin told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "As it relates to the economic impact, I am less concerned about the economic impact. We'll make sure that we have plenty of workers in this economy."
In any event, why focus on the 800,000 Dreamers, when there are 11 million illegals in the country? Is it just because, having submitted their paperwork, they are on record and are easier to find?
Surely, these 800,000 US-educated people are of significant value to the economy?
Congress has a window of opportunity to save DACA.
Actually, this administration has been very aggressive in arresting illegals compared to previous white house occupants. Deportation orders are up 31 per cent. Executive orders have cut funding for sanctuary cities even though part of it has been blocked by a judge.
I hope they don't become Canada's problem...
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I hope they don't become Canada's problem...
Some of them, at least, will wind up down here.
In return, we'll be sending the US some Muslims.
//http://www.smh.com.au/world/australia-to-accept-first-central-american-refugees-under-us-deal-sources-20170725-gxilx8.html
This is what we tell would-be illegals before they even make the effort to be smuggled in.
Chicago made itself a Trump Free Zone over the Dreamers Programme
//http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-mayor-trump-free-zone-rahm-emanuel-daca-dreamers-programme-us-president-sanctuary-city-a7931646.html
Law Professor: Don't Bash Trump Over DACA; What He Did Was 'Paramount' For Our System Of Government
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Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, argues that all President Trump is doing is returning immigration law to Congress, which should have been done in the first place. He's just reeling in Obama's overreach by using the same method the former president used to enact it. There is nothing controversial about how Trump went about terminating DACA:
Some of us criticized the action as a circumvention of the legislative branch that undermined our system of the separation of powers. But because they liked the result, Democratic members yielded their institutional power to the White House and helped create an unchecked presidency.
Trump's decision will return this question to where it should have remained: Congress.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/09/06/law-professor-dont-bash-trump-over-daca-hes-just-reeling-in-obamas-overreach-n2377394
This is a tough one because the parents are the ones who broke the law, not the kids who had no choice. I guess kids pay for the sins of their fathers though. It's just a shame it has gone on this long without illegal immigration being properly addressed.
The usual spin conveniently leaves out the fact that King O's decree was never law, just a dumb decree = zip, zero, fuck all
Now lawmakers have been given a 6 month window to make it actual law .. and hopefully a good and appropriate one
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The usual spin conveniently leaves out the fact that King O's decree was never law, just a dumb decree = zip, zero, fuck all
Now lawmakers have been given a 6 month window to make it actual law .. and hopefully a good and appropriate one
The republican congress couldn't figure out how to toss out Obamacare. I hope they fail to produce a bill again on DACA.
DACA is an infusion of nearly 1 million democrat voters (which is thre realk goal here). And it rewards people for breaking the law, thus enticing others to do the same. Message-Make it to america and even if you can't stay, your kids can. (look for the next sob story if DACA is passed--DACA parents will demand amnesty as well--"If you deport me,who will take care of my kids?"
As one congressman said bluntly let them live here in the shadows,never becoming citizens, never voting, that is the life their parents chose for them when they illegally brought them here.
BTW anybody remember this anti DACA-like moment? (brought to you by Bill Clinton)

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Clinton took Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba with an armed raid on the house he was staying in. Democrats backed the move.
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DACA is an infusion of nearly 1 million democrat voters. And it rewards people for breaking the law, thus enticing others to do the same. Make it to america and even if you can't stay, your kids can. (look for the next sob story if DACA is passed--"You can't deport me--who will take care of my kids?"
Bottom line is that the only reason a certain stripe want ANYONE into the country (or into the entire West) is to win elections and hold power for the entire future.
Given the opportunity they will do just that.
That permanent control bullet was dodged Dec 8 but I see no way they will not achieve TOTAL and PERMANENT control soon
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Bottom line is that the only reason a certain stripe want ANYONE into the country (or into the entire West) is to win elections and hold power for the entire future.
Given the opportunity they will do just that.
That bullet was dodged Dec 8 but I see no way they will not achieve TOTAL and PERMANENT control soon
Isn't this about kids of people who came here illegally?
EVERYTHING that certain stripe does with regard to people coming in and ultimately becoming voters is about votes ->>> towards the objective of grabbing & maintaining permanent power
Another example of the "we care about people" scam - Look at the cities they win at the polls because of the illusion they care about inner city people
They play the sympathy card all the time when they don't give a rat's ass about people (other than themselves) .. it's ONLY about votes ... power / control.
Amazingly the scam works leaving inner cities dying more every day
What they have done to the Detroit I knew well long ago makes me cry .. for one example of just about all major cities
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EVERYTHING that certain stripe does with regard to people coming in and ultimately becoming voters is about votes ->>> towards the objective of grabbing & maintaining permanent power
Another example of the "we care about people" scam - Look at the cities they win at the polls because of the illusion they care about inner city people
They play the sympathy card all the time when they don't give a rat's ass about people (other than themselves) .. it's ONLY about votes ... power / control.
Amazingly the scam works leaving inner cities dying more every day
What they have done to the Detroit I knew well long ago makes me cry .. for one example of just about all major cities
Do you think it's the same here cc? I know a lot of politicians and I don't seem them in it for power/control. Granted we don't have the same issues here or population but I'm wondering if you think that's a factor in Canada.
Votes - it's definitely about votes.
Also how do you crack the whip on people that have been given free pass for so long to the point of only knowing America as their home? Too bad, so sad?
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WOW! Talk about contradiction.
Now I don't know who Schumer is or which side he bats for (I'll look it up), but my question to you is, are politicians allowed to change their minds or their positions?
Sure they are allowed to but with everything that is going on in our countries politics, I have to believe it is solely because of the democrats not supporting Trump in anything he wants to do. Seems when Trump is actually going to do something about the illegal immigrants in our country, that every president since Clinton has tried to do, then everyone gets up in arms. I suppose all the past presidents only talked the talk.....
He is a democrat senator.
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Sure they are allowed to but with everything that is going on in our countries politics, I have to believe it is solely because of the democrats not supporting Trump in anything he wants to do. Seems when Trump is actually going to do something about the illegal immigrants in our country, that every president since Clinton has tried to do, then everyone gets up in arms. I suppose all the past presidents only talked the talk.....
He is a democrat senator.
Oh I have no doubt they are opposing him because he's Trump but so far, he hasn't had much backing from the Republicans either.
Someone is going to have to be the bad guy when it comes to illegal immigration. It's a bleeding heart issue so it's inevitable. I really think the approach needs to be one going forward rather than trying to correct the mistakes of past administrations. But then there's removing criminals from your country which technically includes all illegals.
Tough one for sure.
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Sure they are allowed to but with everything that is going on in our countries politics, I have to believe it is solely because of the democrats not supporting Trump in anything he wants to do. Seems when Trump is actually going to do something about the illegal immigrants in our country, that every president since Clinton has tried to do, then everyone gets up in arms. I suppose all the past presidents only talked the talk.....
He is a democrat senator.
Well...are you aware that yesterday (might be today, your time) Trump struck a budget deal with Schumer and Pelosi that effectively bypassed Ryan and McConnell?
Never say never.
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Sure they are allowed to but with everything that is going on in our countries politics, I have to believe it is solely because of the democrats not supporting Trump in anything he wants to do. Seems when Trump is actually going to do something about the illegal immigrants in our country, that every president since Clinton has tried to do, then everyone gets up in arms. I suppose all the past presidents only talked the talk.....
He is a democrat senator.
Well...are you aware that yesterday (might be today, your time) Trump struck a budget deal with Schumer and Pelosi that effectively bypassed Ryan and McConnell?
Never say never.
Actually I was aware. He obviously gave them something they wanted, otherwise it never would have happened....LOL
He did. Not sure if that means anything. Demoncrat votes cannot do it alone
So does one person speak for all his or her party .. making the other elected Demoncrats mere auto-robots?
I know, a silly question
Trump only struck the deal because Nancy Pelosi is hot.
Aw. That's why!!
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Trump only struck the deal because Nancy Pelosi is hot.
filthy pervert

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Out of touch Ottawa politicians should've learned by now to keep their fucking mouths shut.Quote
The news about changes to the "Dreamers" program south of the border is a distinctly American public policy issue.
But that hasn't stopped one politician north of the border from trying to give the story a needless Canadian twist.
Independent Senator Ratna Omidvar appeared on a widely shared CBC News Network segment Tuesday evening to recommend Canada welcome 30,000 to 40,000 of the illegal immigrants in the U.S. currently participating in the DACA program.
The Obama-era program stands for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which allows U.S. residents brought illegally into the country as children by their parents to apply for a renewable two year reprieve from deportation.
Nine states led by Texas threatened to go to court by Sept. 5 to force President Donald Trump to end the "unconstitutional" Obama program, and were likely to win.
So Tuesday morning, the Trump administration announced it would "wind down" DACA within six months, and asked Congress to pass immigration reform legislation to replace it.
Omidvar suggested Canada should open its doors to some of the 800,000 "Dreamers", as they're called, as if this was something Canada was considering.
"They speak fluent English, they've been educated in the U.S., most of them have been to college or university, some of them have work experience," Omidvar said. "They understand the North American working culture."
It's difficult to understate how reckless it is for a federal politician in Canada to muse about an issue like this when American politicians are still grappling with how to deal with this group of undocumented immigrants.
President Donald Trump and other Republicans made it clear that they'd like to see Congress pass broader immigration reform that includes assistance for Dreamers. A number of Democratic state attorney generals plan legal action to preserve the program.
This is a complex issue. No Canadian politician should be doing a repeat of Trudeau's #WelcomeToCanada shenanigans in a situation like this.
No doubt many Dreamers would make fine Canadian citizens. All can apply for residency here, like any other prospective immigrant.
But we already have one border fiasco in Canada in part thanks to hasty and confused rhetoric by our prime minister. We certainly don't need another.
That's right, folks. 77 is hot. ac_biggrin
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That's right, folks. 77 is hot. ac_biggrin
She looks good for her age.

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Tax payer's money helps her look that way.
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Tax payer's money helps her look that way.
I'm sure that's true Azhya.
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That's right, folks. 77 is hot. ac_biggrin
She looks good for her age.

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That's right, folks. 77 is hot. ac_biggrin
She looks good for her age.

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Really?
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That's right, folks. 77 is hot. ac_biggrin
She looks good for her age.

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Really?
If I was being picky I'd say she could lose a few pounds. But that would be being picky.
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That's right, folks. 77 is hot. ac_biggrin
She looks good for her age.

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Really?
If I was being picky I'd say she could lose a few pounds. But that would be being picky.
You are a sick puppy Harry.
So, I've trashed my own thread. Hey-ho.
"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."[/quote]
From a google search Here are 5 articles calling trump a racist in the headline, or quoting someone calling trump a racist for repealing DACA. I stopped at 5, there were at least 50 others where in the body of the article trump is called a racist.
http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-trumps-daca-decision-661207
http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase-out-yet-another-gimme-trump%E2%80%99s-racist-base
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opinion/inner-racism-revealed.html
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-ends-daca-bill-de-blasio-reacts-new-york-racist-immigration
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-donald-trump-white-racist-20170907-story.html
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"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."
From a google search Here are 5 articles calling trump a racist in the headline, or quoting someone calling trump a racist for repealing DACA. I stopped at 5, there were at least 50 others where in the body of the article trump is called a racist.
http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-trumps-daca-decision-661207
http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase-out-yet-another-gimme-trump%E2%80%99s-racist-base
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opinion/inner-racism-revealed.html
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-ends-daca-bill-de-blasio-reacts-new-york-racist-immigration
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-donald-trump-white-racist-20170907-story.html[/quote]
Context, wazzzup, context.
This is from the Yahoo article you linked to:
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In the exchange with CNN host and reporter Christiane Amanpour, Clinton was not speaking specifically about "dreamers," children who were brought to the United States by their parents and until recently have been allowed to remain and work in the country, but children who were coming along borders on their own.
"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."
Amanpour then asked: "So, you're saying they should be sent back now?
"Well, they should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns whether all of them should be sent back," Clinton responded. "But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families."
It helps if you actually read stuff before you use it as a source. I know it takes some effort, but it's usually worthwhile.
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"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."
From a google search Here are 5 articles calling trump a racist in the headline, or quoting someone calling trump a racist for repealing DACA. I stopped at 5, there were at least 50 others where in the body of the article trump is called a racist.
http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-trumps-daca-decision-661207
http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase-out-yet-another-gimme-trump%E2%80%99s-racist-base
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opinion/inner-racism-revealed.html
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-ends-daca-bill-de-blasio-reacts-new-york-racist-immigration
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-donald-trump-white-racist-20170907-story.html
Context, wazzzup, context.
This is from the Yahoo article you linked to:
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In the exchange with CNN host and reporter Christiane Amanpour, Clinton was not speaking specifically about "dreamers," children who were brought to the United States by their parents and until recently have been allowed to remain and work in the country, but children who were coming along borders on their own.
"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."
Amanpour then asked: "So, you're saying they should be sent back now?
"Well, they should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns whether all of them should be sent back," Clinton responded. "But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families."
It helps if you actually read stuff before you use it as a source. I know it takes some effort, but it's usually worthwhile.[/quote]
Spin spin spin
Did Hillary say illegals children should be allowed to stay if they were accompanied by illegal parent? Nope. "We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay"
BTW her husband never did a DACA in his whole 8 years as president. He must be a wayciss too right? Oh no, he can't be a wayciss, only Trump can be a wayciss.
Hillary was for building a wall with Mexico in 2015 (oh excuse me a "barrier", thats so different, spin spin spin)
Clips of Hillary sounding just likeTrump on illegal immigration
Hillary is a wayciss! a wayciss! Oh wait, no, she can't be a wayciss, only Trump can.
Typical lefty doublestandards. So self serving. So hypocritical. So ridiculous. :negative:
It seems Trump may have worked out a deal with the Democrats to keep DACA in exchange for raising the debt ceiling.
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It seems Trump may have worked out a deal with the Democrats to keep DACA in exchange for raising the debt ceiling.
Perhaps so...
//http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/14/white-house-disputes-schumer-pelosis-border-wall-claim.html
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Beside the border wall issue, the Democrats said Trump agreed to enshrine protections for the nearly 800,000 immigrants brought illegally to this country as kids who had benefited from the DACA program.
Trump ended the program earlier this month and gave Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix before the statuses of the so-called Dreamers begin to expire.
House Speaker Paul Ryan, who also sat down with Pelosi to talk immigration Wednesday, said in an interview that deporting the so-called Dreamers was "not in our nation's interest," and said the president had "made the right call."

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Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F
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Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F
ac_cool
Best president in at least two generations.
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Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F
ac_cool
Seems fair to me. ac_umm
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Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F
ac_cool
Seems fair to me. ac_umm
Which is why the Democrats won't go along with it.
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According to Center for Immigration Studies Director of Research Steven Camarota, about 24 percent of illegal aliens who are eligible for DACA — which President Trump administration will officially end in March 2018 — overstate their English proficiency skills and are "below basic" or "functionally illiterate."
Additionally, the research found that about 46 percent of DACA illegal aliens only have "basic" English proficiency skills, despite narratives from corporate interests and the open borders lobby that recipients of the program are vastly highly-educated.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/02/study-nearly-25-percent-of-daca-illegal-aliens-are-functionally-illiterate-in-english/
These are the kinds of problems you get when immigration becomes a charity system, and a racial/political football, rather than a tool to benefit to the host country.
How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?
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How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?
The figure of 25% seems dubious.
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How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?
The figure of 25% seems dubious.
Not really. Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.
In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm
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How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?
The figure of 25% seems dubious.
Not really. Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.
In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm
I spoke a language other than English when I was a kid living with my parents in Toronto. That doesn't mean I'm functionally illiterate in English.
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How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?
The figure of 25% seems dubious.
Not really. Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.
In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm
I spoke a language other than English when I was a kid living with my parents in Toronto. That doesn't mean I'm functionally illiterate in English.
That would be anecdotal evidence. I know a tall woman, how can you say women are usually shorter than men? I know someone who was strangled by a seatbelt, how can you say seatbelts save lives?
The point is, as a general statement, someone who is not speaking english at home is More Likely to have trouble speaking and reading English.
I have no trouble believing that 1/4 of DACA kids have very poor English skills. Especially for those whose families speak only Spanish in the home, for those who watch spanish language TV, for those who have friends that speak only Spanish. Where is the need to learn english?
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How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?
The figure of 25% seems dubious.
Not really. Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.
In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm
I spoke a language other than English when I was a kid living with my parents in Toronto. That doesn't mean I'm functionally illiterate in English.
That would be anecdotal evidence. I know a tall woman, how can you say women are usually shorter than men? I know someone who was strangled by a seatbelt, how can you say seatbelts save lives?
The point is, as a general statement, someone who is not speaking english at home is More Likely to have trouble speaking and reading English.
I have no trouble believing that 1/4 of DACA kids have very poor English skills. Especially for those whose families speak only Spanish in the home, for those who watch spanish language TV, for those who have friends that speak only Spanish. Where is the need to learn english?
I did not pull this out of my ass.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10218259
Whats this threaf about CACA? Did cocktop make more fudge?
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Whats this threaf about CACA? Did cocktop make more fudge?
Brick's fudge is at the bottom of the caste system. Always getting blamed.
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Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F
ac_cool
Seems fair to me. ac_umm
Which is why the Democrats won't go along with it.
Just as you predicted--
https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-statement-on-new-white-house-immigration-proposal
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"President Trump has said he may need a good government shutdown to get his wall. With this demand, he seems to be heading in that direction. I've been clear from the beginning that Senate Democrats will consider reasonable border security measures in order to pass the Dream Act into law. The Trump Administration set this crisis in motion when it ended DACA four months ago. It's outrageous that the White House would undercut months of bipartisan efforts by again trying to put its entire wish-list of hardline anti-immigrant bills—plus an additional $18 billion in wall funding—on the backs of these young people.
I think trump should say no daca, the senate should end the filibuster rule and fully fund the wall. They were elected majority for a reason.
If there's a shutdown, the GOP will pay for it at the midterm elections.
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If there's a shutdown, the GOP will pay for it at the midterm elections.
The US is a write off these days. I'm not sure anything matters.
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If there's a shutdown, the GOP will pay for it at the midterm elections.
The US is a write off these days. I'm not sure anything matters.
The US is doing really well under Trump. Some issues that have been neglected for decades are being addressed. But, this a four year blip on the road to ruin.
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If there's a shutdown, the GOP will pay for it at the midterm elections.
The US is a write off these days. I'm not sure anything matters.
The US is doing really well under Trump. Some issues that have been neglected for decades are being addressed. But, this a four year blip on the road to ruin.
I believe it will collapse in our lifetime.
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If there's a shutdown, the GOP will pay for it at the midterm elections.
The US is a write off these days. I'm not sure anything matters.
The US is doing really well under Trump. Some issues that have been neglected for decades are being addressed. But, this a four year blip on the road to ruin.
I believe it will collapse in our lifetime.
I am predicting Sweden or France will be the first Western domino to fall. Don't get me wrong, the US will too.
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If there's a shutdown, the GOP will pay for it at the midterm elections.
that could be. Hard to say. The media would certainly spin it as Trumps and the repubs fault, even though it wouldn't be. (DACA has no bnusiness being part of a budget bill) BUT Most likely the repubs will cave, or partly cave like they usually do. IMO what they should really do is get rid of the filibuster rule like they did with judges, doing so would take away the dems ability to shut the government down.
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Whats this threaf about CACA? Did cocktop make more fudge?
Brick's fudge is at the bottom of the caste system. Always getting blamed.
Shoulda had some of my fudge :thumbup:
Not like it wasn't known, but this is proof that this DACA CACA, much like most of US immigration policy, is a political weapon for democrats to use to increase their power.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/leaked-memo-dreamers-are-critical-to-dems-future-electoral-success/
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The Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund circulated a memo on Monday calling illegal immigrants brought here at a young age — so-called "Dreamers" — a "critical component of the Democratic Party's future electoral success."
The memo, co-authored by former Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri, was sent around to allies calling on Democrats to "refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them."
"If Democrats don't try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats' electoral chances in 2018 and beyond," reads the memo. "In short, the next few weeks will tell us a lot about the Democratic Party and its long-term electoral prospects."
I'm sick of the democrat party using immigration policy as a tool to gain more power. Trump should say no deal on DACA, end the filibuster rule and get his wall funded by the republicans.
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Not like it wasn't known, but this is proof that this DACA CACA, much like most of US immigration policy, is a political weapon for democrats to use to increase their power.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/leaked-memo-dreamers-are-critical-to-dems-future-electoral-success/
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The Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund circulated a memo on Monday calling illegal immigrants brought here at a young age — so-called "Dreamers" — a "critical component of the Democratic Party's future electoral success."
The memo, co-authored by former Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri, was sent around to allies calling on Democrats to "refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them."
"If Democrats don't try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats' electoral chances in 2018 and beyond," reads the memo. "In short, the next few weeks will tell us a lot about the Democratic Party and its long-term electoral prospects."
I'm sick of the democrat party using immigration policy as a tool to gain more power. Trump should say no deal on DACA, end the filibuster rule and get his wall funded by the republicans.
I saw that Wazzzup and I was going to post it. I don't think anyone is really surprised by this revelation.
These people have travelled so far and overcome so many obstacles in their quest to enjoy a better life in America. We must help them realise their dreams.
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These people have travelled so far and overcome so many obstacles in their quest to enjoy a better life in America. We must help them realise their dreams.
Even boxers who pack their gloves with ball bearings? :icon_wink:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/16/sen-dick-durbin-im-working-full-time-for-daca-illegal-aliens/
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I'm focused on one thing — not that meeting — but on making sure that those who are being protected by DACA and eligible for the DREAM Act have a future in America. I am focused on that full time.
In other words, he could give a crap about Americans, he works for illegal aliens and their needs (and getting democrats like himself more votes). Kind of what I figured.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/16/sen-dick-durbin-im-working-full-time-for-daca-illegal-aliens/
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I'm focused on one thing — not that meeting — but on making sure that those who are being protected by DACA and eligible for the DREAM Act have a future in America. I am focused on that full time.
In other words, he could give a crap about Americans, he works for illegal aliens and their needs (and getting democrats like himself more votes). Kind of what I figured.
He's a traitor to his country. Not his party though.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/16/sen-dick-durbin-im-working-full-time-for-daca-illegal-aliens/
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I'm focused on one thing — not that meeting — but on making sure that those who are being protected by DACA and eligible for the DREAM Act have a future in America. I am focused on that full time.
In other words, he could give a crap about Americans, he works for illegal aliens and their needs (and getting democrats like himself more votes). Kind of what I figured.
He's a traitor to his country. Not his party though.
Yep
https://www.westernjournal.com/ice-675-jurisdictions-us-refuse-turn-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
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Law enforcement agencies in 675 jurisdictions have refused to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement "detainer" requests to hand over illegal immigrants who have been arrested for breaking local laws.
Its time to start arresting people who aid and abet criminals.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ice-675-jurisdictions-us-refuse-turn-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
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Law enforcement agencies in 675 jurisdictions have refused to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement "detainer" requests to hand over illegal immigrants who have been arrested for breaking local laws.
Its time to start arresting people who aid and abet criminals.
Harsh sentences for these elected accomplices too.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ice-675-jurisdictions-us-refuse-turn-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
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Law enforcement agencies in 675 jurisdictions have refused to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement "detainer" requests to hand over illegal immigrants who have been arrested for breaking local laws.
Its time to start arresting people who aid and abet criminals.
I assume some of them are violent criminals?
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ice-675-jurisdictions-us-refuse-turn-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
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Law enforcement agencies in 675 jurisdictions have refused to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement "detainer" requests to hand over illegal immigrants who have been arrested for breaking local laws.
Its time to start arresting people who aid and abet criminals.
I assume some of them are violent criminals?
I believe so. they don;t usually deport plain illegals, (there are too many) they usually go after ones who have committed other crimes as well. probably at least some are violent.
BTW a new study say that illegals are twice as like to commit crimes as legal citiznes.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ice-675-jurisdictions-us-refuse-turn-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
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Law enforcement agencies in 675 jurisdictions have refused to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement "detainer" requests to hand over illegal immigrants who have been arrested for breaking local laws.
Its time to start arresting people who aid and abet criminals.
Harsh sentences for these elected accomplices too.
I would love that. But we'll have to see if Trump and ICE have the guts to really go afrer this stuff, or if its a bluff. I hope its for real. the idea that leftists get to pick which laws they do or don't like is ridiculous, they should not be allowed to get away with this.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ice-675-jurisdictions-us-refuse-turn-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
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Law enforcement agencies in 675 jurisdictions have refused to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement "detainer" requests to hand over illegal immigrants who have been arrested for breaking local laws.
Its time to start arresting people who aid and abet criminals.
I assume some of them are violent criminals?
I believe so. they don;t usually deport plain illegals, (there are too many) they usually go after ones who have committed other crimes as well. probably at least some are violent.
BTW a new study say that illegals are twice as like to commit crimes as legal citiznes.
If they break one law, they would have no moral qualms about breaking another.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ice-675-jurisdictions-us-refuse-turn-illegal-immigrant-criminals/
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Law enforcement agencies in 675 jurisdictions have refused to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement "detainer" requests to hand over illegal immigrants who have been arrested for breaking local laws.
Its time to start arresting people who aid and abet criminals.
Harsh sentences for these elected accomplices too.
I would love that. But we'll have to see if Trump and ICE have the guts to really go afrer this stuff, or if its a bluff. I hope its for real. the idea that leftists get to pick which laws they do or don't like is ridiculous, they should not be allowed to get away with this.
When it comes to immigration in the USA that seems to be the case.
Chuck Schumer then and now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLrf__Rl32Q
America's inability to control its southern border, and to manage illegal immigrants is a national disaster that will reverberate for many generations.
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America's inability to control its southern border, and to manage illegal immigrants is a national disaster that will reverberate for many generations.
Neither party wants to do anything about it.
No.
It is the modern version of slavery. America became wealthy on the back on unpaid labour. It is increasing its wealth using low paid labour, and many businesses would collapse if their illegal workers were repatriated.
It seems to escape the average American that encouraging cheap labour and offering it protection is just another example of exploitation.
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No.
It is the modern version of slavery. America became wealthy on the back on unpaid labour. It is increasing its wealth using low paid labour, and many businesses would collapse if their illegal workers were repatriated.
It seems to escape the average American that encouraging cheap labour and offering it protection is just another example of exploitation.
No argument from me.

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It's California, what do you expect. They like the cost and danger of illegals.
A federal judge in Texas on Friday ruled illegal an Obama-era program that prevents the deportation of thousands of them brought into the U.S. as children.
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A federal judge in Texas on Friday ruled illegal an Obama-era program that prevents the deportation of thousands of them brought into the U.S. as children.
:thumbup:
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A federal judge in Texas on Friday ruled illegal an Obama-era program that prevents the deportation of thousands of them brought into the U.S. as children.
I remember a lot of coverage of Dreamers when Barack Obama was president.
In general, no they should not be allowed to stay. There will always be exceptions.
In theory, I support DACA(Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals).
I support only acceptance by formal application ... run the process ... get approved and you are in like many people here or their parents did
Virtually NO exceptions
As for refugees, submit at embassy from own (or possibly other) country .. get formal OK, good to go ..
All border runners of all categories sneaking in illegally > Get out
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I support only acceptance by formal application ... run the process ... get approved and you are in like many people here or their parents did
Virtually NO exceptions
As for refugees, submit at embassy from own (or possibly other) country .. get formal OK, good to go ..
All border runners of all categories sneaking in illegally > Get out
I agree. But, I would have a hard cap on the number of immigrants admitted. Like about 5-10 percent of current admissions.
Yes. A cap that works for the admitting country is needed and should be decided so as to best benefit the country
A cap including legit refugees
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Yes. A cap that works for the admitting country is needed and should be decided so as to best benefit the country
A cap including legit refugees
I firmly believe mass immigration like Canada and the States has only benefits the wealthy and powerful.
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Yes. A cap that works for the admitting country is needed and should be decided so as to best benefit the country
A cap including legit refugees
Immigration is what can you do for us not what can we do for you.
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Yes. A cap that works for the admitting country is needed and should be decided so as to best benefit the country
A cap including legit refugees
Immigration is what can you do for us not what can we do for you.
That's what it once was and should be
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Yes. A cap that works for the admitting country is needed and should be decided so as to best benefit the country
A cap including legit refugees
Immigration is what can you do for us not what can we do for you.
That's what it once was and should be
I should have posted immigration should be what can you do for us.
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Yes. A cap that works for the admitting country is needed and should be decided so as to best benefit the country
A cap including legit refugees
Immigration is what can you do for us not what can we do for you.
That's what it once was and should be
I should have posted immigration should be what can you do for us.
I agree, but the number of immigrants admitted each year has to remain low. As for refugess-forget it.
Too many immigrants strains resources. They become a burden on the host country.
A new analysis by Steven Kopits, head of Princeton Policy Advisors, a think tank, projects that immigration officials could encounter nearly 1.7 million people seeking to enter the United States illegally by the end of 2021, with Kopits blaming the Biden administration's "open border" policies.
Two kids shot in a cultural exchange in Sweden.
5 and 6 year old kids got hit on the legs but are not critical.
Its about time that we hold leftists responsible for the fruits of their political views.
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Two kids shot in a cultural exchange in Sweden.
5 and 6 year old kids got hit on the legs but are not critical.
Its about time that we hold leftists responsible for the fruits of their political views.
I'm all for that. But, they are usually rich and live hidden away behind walls or other security and have the best lawyers to make sure they are never held accountable.