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Quote from: "Blurt"Dr. Hoel, who has just returned, reports the location of hitherto unknown coal deposits on the eastern shores of Advent Bay--deposits of vast extent and superior quality. This is regarded as of first importance, as so far most of the coal mined by the Norwegian companies on those islands has not been of the best quality.

--from the same report Wazzup quoted.



Well, forget coal; 94 years later, we have oil sands and fracking.



Progress.

QuoteIn the wake of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, climate activists have upped their attacks on those who do not accept man-made climate change.



A piece in The Nation said "climate change denialism is literally killing us," while The Outline argued that "climate change denial should be a crime."



The sub-headline of the Nation piece declared that Hurricane Harvey victims "have a murderer - and it's not the storm."



On "Fox & Friends" this morning, climate researcher Roy Spencer pointed out that there has been no increase in the number of major landfalling hurricanes in Florida in the past century, and there has also been no increase in their intensity.

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Quote from: "Blurt"Dr. Hoel, who has just returned, reports the location of hitherto unknown coal deposits on the eastern shores of Advent Bay--deposits of vast extent and superior quality. This is regarded as of first importance, as so far most of the coal mined by the Norwegian companies on those islands has not been of the best quality.

--from the same report Wazzup quoted.



Well, forget coal; 94 years later, we have oil sands and hydraulic fracturing.



Progress.

That is abosolute progress Blurt..



Better we produce, sell and use our own that import it from countries that don't care about the environment or people.

Quote from: "RW"We are going to look back on hydraulic fracturing with horror at our stupidity.

Quote from: "Blurt"

Quote from: "RW"We are going to look back on hydraulic fracturing with horror at our stupidity.

It's not "hydraulic fracturing," R'Dub; it's...



[size=200]F.R.A.C.K.I.N.G[/size]

QuoteFracking has given America gas prices that are far cheaper than in Europe, created hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs, and has almost doubled crude production over the last seven years. Some claim it can even take the credit for America's falling greenhouse gas emissions, though recent research suggests that may have may have had more to do with the recession than a switch from polluting coal to cleaner gas.



What most critics point to, of course, are the potential health and environmental impacts. Concerns include contamination of water supplies, seismic activity caused by the fracking itself but mostly by the injection of wastewater deep underground, and fears that the gas glut from fracking threatens to hinder the development of emissions-free renewable sources of power, such as wind and solar. Then there are fears over the venting and flaring of methane, industrialisation of rural areas and noise from lorries.

Quote from: "RW"Call it what you want, it's a fucking stupid idea and our ancestors are going to look back on it and wonder WTF we were thinking.

Quote from: "Herman"RW and Blurt are a couple of ignorant retards. ac_toofunny



I've drilled a thousand wells unconventionally. I have some on my farm for Christ sakes. Drilling water wells is more dangerous, but try getting that through the thick skulls of those two lazy, idiotic anti science progtard idiots.

Quote from: "Wazzzup"hydraulic fracturing has allowed America to become almost completely independent from Mid East oil.  other than the possibility of pulluting some water sources there is no danger.

Quote from: "kiebers"

Quote from: "Wazzzup"hydraulic fracturing has allowed America to become almost completely independent from Mid East oil.  other than the possibility of pulluting some water sources there is no danger.

Didn't the fr.acking and waste water injection cause increases in earthquakes in Oklahoma?

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"hydraulic fracturing has environmental as well as economic benefits. Nurisdictions that employ the tecnology enjoy abundant, low cost low cost, low emissions energy that is entirely locally produced. It disturbs the smallest amount of land of any energy source. And sorry Harry, it doesn't disturb the water table. That myth was debunked by a Yale university study.



hydraulic fracturing is the reason the US has become energy self sufficient while Europe is forced to import coal. hydraulic fracturing technology continues to improve too. Any state or sub state that bans the technology is doing a real disservice to their people and the environment.

QuoteRussian scientists and local oil field services companies claim to have created a technology for thermochemical gas fracturing that could be an alternative to hydraulic fracturing and could increase oil production by between 1.7 and 6 times, Russia's news agency RIA Novosti reports, citing the University of Tyumen's press service.



In hydraulic fracturing, rocks are fractured with high-pressure injection of fluids, while the new breakthrough technology, as claimed by Russian scientists and media, is creating chemical reactions in the strata that contain oil.



The chemicals react and emit heat and gas, which makes extraction easier and lifts well productivity, according to the scientists and researchers.



The other upside in the technology, the Russians claim, is that the main component in the chemical reactions is ammonium nitrate, which is often used as fertilizer.



According to Professor Konstantin Fedorov, Director of the Institute of Physics and Technology at the University of Tyumen and the scientific consultant on the project, the improved well productivity effect lasts between 300 and 1,000 days. Production increases by between 1.7 times and 6 times compared to the initial output level, although the scientists have seen tests with production increases of 10 to 20 times.



The success rate is close to 100 percent, Fedorov claims, as reported by Russian media.



According to the University of Tyumen, the project—partially supported by government funding—had the goal to create an innovative and, more importantly, Russian method of oil and gas production.



The project partners plan to begin the first tests at operational wells of one of Rosneft's subsidiaries in September, according to the University of Tyumen.



Plans are that the new technology could also be tested at oil fields of other major Russian companies, including Tatneft, Bashneft, and Gazprom Neft, Sputnik International reports.

QuoteBut opponents say the industry is whitewashing f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g's real effects, a long list that includes air pollution, groundwater contamination, health problems and surface water pollution.



Recent history supports some of their claims: A f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g well in Bradford County, Pa., operated by Chesapeake Energy Corp., malfunctioned in April 2011, spewing thousands of gallons of contaminated fracking water for more than 12 hours.



And in 2012, Chesapeake was again cited for contaminating the drinking water of three families in Pennsylvania, resulting in a settlement of $1.6 million, according to NPR.org. "Many companies keep their specific 'recipes' for f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g fluids secret, arguing that this is intellectual property," Bjornerud said. "This lack of disclosure makes it difficult to tie any contamination of drinking water to a particular company or well."



Researchers from Duke University tested drinking water at 60 sites throughout Pennsylvania and New York; their research was published in 2011 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.



The researchers found that drinking water near f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g wells had levels of methane that "fell squarely within a range that the U.S. Department of Interior says is dangerous and requires urgent 'hazard mitigation' action," ProPublica reports.



There may be more cases of water that has been contaminated by f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g, but legal settlements and nondisclosure agreements usually prevent access to any documentation of these incidents, The New York Times reports.



A federal study, released in July 2013 by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), found no evidence that chemicals from the f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g process had contaminated groundwater at one Pennsylvania drilling site, The Hill reports.



However, the DOE's National Energy Technology Laboratory was quick to issue a statement on the preliminary nature of the report by declaring that, although "nothing of concern has been found thus far, the results are far too preliminary to make any firm claims. We expect a final report on the results by the end of [2013]."



In addition to water quality issues, f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g wells release compounds into the air, such as benzene, ethylbenzene, toluene and n-hexane; long-term exposure to these has been linked to birth defects, neurological problems, blood disorders and cancer. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) has found that workers may be exposed to dust with high levels of respirable silica during hydraulic fracturing. These findings were shared after NIOSH studied 116 full shift air samples at 11 hydraulic fracturing sites in five states.



Benzene, for example, is a known carcinogen, according to the American Cancer Society. In 2012, researchers from the Colorado School of Public Health released a study showing that air pollution caused by f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g could contribute to immediate and long-term health problems for people living near f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g sites. Research by over 150 studies suggests that chemicals released during natural gas extraction may harm human reproduction and development.



Additionally, many areas of the United States not considered earthquake-prone, such as Ohio and Oklahoma, are now experiencing relatively strong seismic activity. F.r.a.c.k.i.n.g is believed to be the cause of Oklahoma's strongest recorded quake in 2011 and more than 180 tremors in Texas between 2008 and 2009. To start off 2015, an area of North Texas had nine confirmed earthquakes in a 24-hour period. F.r.a.c.k.i.n.g is being investigated as the cause.

Quote from: "Blurt"Uh, our ancestors?

Quote from: "Blurt"[size=200]Our ancestors?[/size]



What are you, deaf?

Quote f.r.a.c.k.i.n.g wells had levels of methane that "fell squarely within a range that the U.S. Department of Interior says is dangerous and requires urgent 'hazard mitigation' action," ProPublica reports.

QuoteAfter analyzing 64 samples of groundwater collected from private residences in northeastern Pennsylvania, researchers determined that groundwater contamination was more closely related to surface toxins seeping down into the water than from fracking operations seeping upwards. Their findings were recently published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.



Researchers also noted that shale underlying the Pennsylvania surface did not cause any organic chemicals to seep into groundwater aquifers.



Researchers from Duke University also recently gave people a reason to trust fracking companies. In a study published in Environmental Science & Technology Letters, scientists explained that hydraulic fracturing accounts for less than one percent of water used nationwide for industrial purposes. This suggested that the natural gas extraction processes are far less water-intensive than we previously thought.

 

It's hoped that these studies will help people better understand the safety of fracking.

QuoteHydraulic fracturing doesn't appear to be allowing methane to seriously contaminate drinking water in Pennsylvania, a new study finds—contrary to some earlier, much publicized research that suggested a stronger link. But the lead authors of the two bodies of research are sparring over the validity of the new results.



The new study of 11,309 drinking water wells in northeastern Pennsylvania concludes that background levels of methane in the water are unrelated to the location of hundreds of oil and gas wells that tap hydraulically fractured, or fracked, rock formations. The finding suggests that fracking operations are not significantly contributing to the leakage of methane from deep rock formations, where oil and gas are extracted, up to the shallower aquifers where well water is drawn.



The result also calls into question prominent studies in 2011 and 2013 that did find a correlation in a nearby part of Pennsylvania. There, wells closer to fracking sites had higher levels of methane. Those studies, however, were based on just 60 and 141 domestic well samples, respectively.

Quote from: "Herman"The usual  trio of idiotic ladies(Harry, RW and Blurt) shows up armed with bullshit links about an industry they know nothing about. Old Blurt got his ass kicked by  old Jock on Lac Megantic, so  it's my turn to do the same with hydraulic fracturing.

Quote from: "kiebers"

Quote from: "Wazzzup"hydraulic fracturing has allowed America to become almost completely independent from Mid East oil.  other than the possibility of pulluting some water sources there is no danger.

Didn't the fr.acking and waste water injection cause increases in earthquakes in Oklahoma?

Quote from: "Harry"

Quote from: "Blurt"[size=200]Our ancestors?[/size]



What are you, deaf?

Um, descendants Blurt, descendants.



RW has problems with the ancestor/descendant relationship too.

Quote from: "Blurt"So, Herman believes that his ability to join two pieces of metal together makes him a geophysicist.



That's like Jock believing that driving a train makes him clairvoyant. Or Shen Li sitting at a desk typing stuff someone who can join two pieces of metal together.



Full circle in the industrial circus.



You people are sad.

Quote from: "Wazzzup"

Quote from: "Blurt"So, Herman believes that his ability to join two pieces of metal together makes him a geophysicist.



That's like Jock believing that driving a train makes him clairvoyant. Or Shen Li sitting at a desk typing stuff someone who can join two pieces of metal together.



Full circle in the industrial circus.



You people are sad.

Or like Blurt who thinks putting on a skirt makes him a woman. ac_razz  ac_toofunny

Quote from: "cc"This is staggering .. but not surprising. Then, any country that created the HRC is capable of ANY stiffing of free speech



No uncomfortable opinions allowed.



Look for T's escalation to  protect his pet ideology of supremacy

Quote from: "Blurt"So, Herman believes that his ability to join two pieces of metal together makes him a geophysicist.



That's like Jock believing that driving a train makes him clairvoyant. Or Shen Li sitting at a desk typing stuff someone who can join two pieces of metal together.



Full circle in the industrial circus.



You people are sad.

QuoteHis thirty years in the industry, particularly supervising hydraulic fracturing operations all over the world certainly makes him a more credible source than someone who has never seen a hydraulic fracturing convoy, but is armed only with a debunked study..



And Herman did a good job of picking your articles apart point by point..



My husband works for a specialized oilfield service company that has a lot of jobs in South East Saskatchewan and North Dakota..



That's the Bakken and unconventional oil and gas extraction methods are common..



My husband would confirm everything Herman said was indeed correct..



Blurt, I'm sure there are lots of things you know what you are talking about , but heavy industry is obviously not one of them....particularly this industry and this technology..



There's no shame in that, and no reason to get angry.

ac_smile

Quote from: "seoulbro"

QuoteHis thirty years in the industry, particularly supervising hydraulic fracturing operations all over the world certainly makes him a more credible source than someone who has never seen a hydraulic fracturing convoy, but is armed only with a debunked study..



And Herman did a good job of picking your articles apart point by point..



My husband works for a specialized oilfield service company that has a lot of jobs in South East Saskatchewan and North Dakota..



That's the Bakken and unconventional oil and gas extraction methods are common..



My husband would confirm everything Herman said was indeed correct..



Blurt, I'm sure there are lots of things you know what you are talking about , but heavy industry is obviously not one of them....particularly this industry and this technology..



There's no shame in that, and no reason to get angry.

ac_smile

Best post in this thread.



As much as I think  Herman is an asshole, he is right about hydraulic fracturing. We've had between 200k and 250, 000 wells horizontally fracked for shale oil or gas. Has Mother Nature keeled over? Hardly, and she won't either. In fact, the technology will not go away. It will continue to improve. Using less, producing more and doing it safely.



This technology is too big an opportunity for cheap, abundant, environmentally friendly energy producing good jobs to say not to it, especially since all  the excuses for rejecting it have been proven wrong.

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Or like Blurt who thinks putting on a skirt makes him a woman. ac_razz  ac_toofunny

QuoteAfter mocking Trump for his apparent repeated change in stance on various important issues, Maher said the commander in chief probably "think he's being bipartisan."



But "this is not bipartisan," said Maher. "This is bipolar. I don't know if he knows what he wants."



Maher also poked fun at angry right-wingers who have reportedly been burning their "Make America Great Again" caps in protest at Trump's possible immigration deal with Democratic leaders.



It's "very scary," said Maher, "because it means they've discovered fire. Tools could be next."

Quote from: "Angry White Male"The Huff Post is about as left leaning as you can get.  Not saying I haven't browsed it, just as I browse Stormfront, but understand what the Huff Post is also...

Quote from: "Harry"//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-maher-donald-trump-bipartisan-bipolar_us_59bccb5fe4b0edff971c555e?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

QuoteAfter mocking Trump for his apparent repeated change in stance on various important issues, Maher said the commander in chief probably "think he's being bipartisan."



But "this is not bipartisan," said Maher. "This is bipolar. I don't know if he knows what he wants."



Maher also poked fun at angry right-wingers who have reportedly been burning their "Make America Great Again" caps in protest at Trump's possible immigration deal with Democratic leaders.



It's "very scary," said Maher, "because it means they've discovered fire. Tools could be next."

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Quote from: "seoulbro"Bill loves controversy, but sometimes he doesn't think before he speaks. Or maybe he thinks controversy sells.

Quote from: "seoulbro"Bill loves controversy, but sometimes he doesn't think before he speaks. Or maybe he thinks controversy sells.