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Quote from: "Zetsu" it's still only $2 CAD per 100km traveled.  Plus most ppl would use super chargers only if it's an emergency or traveling on a vacation, while over 90% of the time many would take advantage and programs their cars to recharging only during the middle of the night.

QuoteUsing the simplest calculations and based on electricity alone, the Leaf costs about 1.7p per mile to run if charged at off-peak rates (which currently bottom out at 5p per kWh). Using peak rate electricity at 12p per unit pushes the cost up to a still modest-sounding 4.1p per mile.

This compares with a cost of 9.6p per mile for the diesel Golf, assuming a price of £1.42 for a litre of fuel. However, to be completely fair you have to consider that the actual cost of diesel, when duty and VAT is removed, is less than 60p per litre, representing a "real fuel" cost of only 4.1p per mile.

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Quote from: "Zetsu" it's still only $2 CAD per 100km traveled.  Plus most ppl would use super chargers only if it's an emergency or traveling on a vacation, while over 90% of the time many would take advantage and programs their cars to recharging only during the middle of the night.

This is from the UK, but the calculations are even more relevant to Canada as we have cheaper gas and diesel.

QuoteUsing the simplest calculations and based on electricity alone, the Leaf costs about 1.7p per mile to run if charged at off-peak rates (which currently bottom out at 5p per kWh). Using peak rate electricity at 12p per unit pushes the cost up to a still modest-sounding 4.1p per mile.

This compares with a cost of 9.6p per mile for the diesel Golf, assuming a price of £1.42 for a litre of fuel. However, to be completely fair you have to consider that the actual cost of diesel, when duty and VAT is removed, is less than 60p per litre, representing a "real fuel" cost of only 4.1p per mile.

Not really a savings at all.

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Quote from: "Zetsu" it's still only $2 CAD per 100km traveled.  Plus most ppl would use super chargers only if it's an emergency or traveling on a vacation, while over 90% of the time many would take advantage and programs their cars to recharging only during the middle of the night.

This is from the UK, but the calculations are even more relevant to Canada as we have cheaper gas and diesel.

QuoteUsing the simplest calculations and based on electricity alone, the Leaf costs about 1.7p per mile to run if charged at off-peak rates (which currently bottom out at 5p per kWh). Using peak rate electricity at 12p per unit pushes the cost up to a still modest-sounding 4.1p per mile.

This compares with a cost of 9.6p per mile for the diesel Golf, assuming a price of £1.42 for a litre of fuel. However, to be completely fair you have to consider that the actual cost of diesel, when duty and VAT is removed, is less than 60p per litre, representing a "real fuel" cost of only 4.1p per mile.

Not really a savings at all.

QuoteCost of Charging

 

If you only have one hour you can charge for one hour and go - you don't need to charge to 100% all at once.

On average a typical battery EV will cost less than $300 per year, or about $0.78 per day to charge at night. *1

A typical plug-in hybrid EV will cost about $700 per year, or $1.92 per day for fuel (including gasoline and electricity costs). *2

Comparable gasoline cars can cost between $1,000 and $2,500 per year to fuel - up to eight times more money spent each day. *3

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I'm not exactly sure what does the p stands for but in Ontario it's currently at 6.5 cents per kWh from 7pm-7am, assuming the Model 3 has a 75kWh battery and can travel 550km per full charge.  6.5*75=487 cents for each 550km, that's $0.0088 CAD per km traveled, unless I'm mistaken.

QuoteCost of Charging

 

If you only have one hour you can charge for one hour and go - you don't need to charge to 100% all at once.

On average a typical battery EV will cost less than $300 per year, or about $0.78 per day to charge at night. *1

A typical plug-in hybrid EV will cost about $700 per year, or $1.92 per day for fuel (including gasoline and electricity costs). *2

Comparable gasoline cars can cost between $1,000 and $2,500 per year to fuel - up to eight times more money spent each day. *3

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicles/electric/charging-electric-vehicle.shtml

Quote from: "Blazor"Santa's gonna be real upset when he finds out y'all conspiring to use electric cars. You know he dont supply the batteries! lol

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I'm not exactly sure what does the p stands for but in Ontario it's currently at 6.5 cents per kWh from 7pm-7am, assuming the Model 3 has a 75kWh battery and can travel 550km per full charge.  6.5*75=487 cents for each 550km, that's $0.0088 CAD per km traveled, unless I'm mistaken.

QuoteCost of Charging

 

If you only have one hour you can charge for one hour and go - you don't need to charge to 100% all at once.

On average a typical battery EV will cost less than $300 per year, or about $0.78 per day to charge at night. *1

A typical plug-in hybrid EV will cost about $700 per year, or $1.92 per day for fuel (including gasoline and electricity costs). *2

Comparable gasoline cars can cost between $1,000 and $2,500 per year to fuel - up to eight times more money spent each day. *3

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicles/electric/charging-electric-vehicle.shtml

It's pence.



I would say that car could do less than half that on a full charge in Canada. Unless you're shelling out more than $100,000 for a Tesla Model S 85D that'll get you an advertised 435 km of range — you can only drive 120-200 km on a single charge, depending on the vehicle.



That range is even shorter when it's cold outside and you're using extra juice to heat the interior. Take away the taxes on fuels and put them on  electricity and the operating costs disappear entirely.

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I'm not exactly sure what does the p stands for but in Ontario it's currently at 6.5 cents per kWh from 7pm-7am, assuming the Model 3 has a 75kWh battery and can travel 550km per full charge.  6.5*75=487 cents for each 550km, that's $0.0088 CAD per km traveled, unless I'm mistaken.

QuoteCost of Charging

 

If you only have one hour you can charge for one hour and go - you don't need to charge to 100% all at once.

On average a typical battery EV will cost less than $300 per year, or about $0.78 per day to charge at night. *1

A typical plug-in hybrid EV will cost about $700 per year, or $1.92 per day for fuel (including gasoline and electricity costs). *2

Comparable gasoline cars can cost between $1,000 and $2,500 per year to fuel - up to eight times more money spent each day. *3

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicles/electric/charging-electric-vehicle.shtml

It's pence.



I would say that car could do less than half that on a full charge in Canada. Unless you're shelling out more than $100,000 for a Tesla Model S 85D that'll get you an advertised 435 km of range — you can only drive 120-200 km on a single charge, depending on the vehicle.



That range is even shorter when it's cold outside and you're using extra juice to heat the interior. Take away the taxes on fuels and put them on  electricity and the operating costs disappear entirely.

Tesla doesn't sell the 85D anymore, they've been upgrade to a 100kWh battery.  Depending on the weather at 20 degrees celsius @ 100km/hr the 100D can travel up to 540km per charge, while in cities speed with regenerative breaking it can go over 800km.  Though in the winter and at highway speeds they probably get only a bit over 400km per charge, but the same can go for gas cars fuel consumption almost double under freezing temperatures, especially in short distance trips, even if we average it all out it's about 600km per charge through out all season and between city/highway driving.  120-200km is closer to the entry level EVs like the leaf, fiat and egolf, while mid range ones like the bolt, model 3 and VW ID series can last about 500km, and ones like faraday future and roadster 2.0 can go up to 1000km per charge with formula 1 race car performance.  I have nothing against gas cars, but just saying EVs aren't as bad as how they seem, plus I don't think owning electric cars will leave a mark on the oil industry.

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Quote from: "Blazor"Santa's gonna be real upset when he finds out y'all conspiring to use electric cars. You know he dont supply the batteries! lol

lol



EV's are not a bad idea when the taxpayer is subsiding the price of the vehicles. And taxes on fossil fuels subsidizes free electricity at malls and hotels.



If everyone were to charge their vehicle overnight the demand would be around three times greater – or almost the entire current  winter electricity use. To put this in perspective, even a 50 per cent increase of electric cars, spread over the next 10 years or so, is unlikely.

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I'm not exactly sure what does the p stands for but in Ontario it's currently at 6.5 cents per kWh from 7pm-7am, assuming the Model 3 has a 75kWh battery and can travel 550km per full charge.  6.5*75=487 cents for each 550km, that's $0.0088 CAD per km traveled, unless I'm mistaken.

QuoteCost of Charging

 

If you only have one hour you can charge for one hour and go - you don't need to charge to 100% all at once.

On average a typical battery EV will cost less than $300 per year, or about $0.78 per day to charge at night. *1

A typical plug-in hybrid EV will cost about $700 per year, or $1.92 per day for fuel (including gasoline and electricity costs). *2

Comparable gasoline cars can cost between $1,000 and $2,500 per year to fuel - up to eight times more money spent each day. *3

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicles/electric/charging-electric-vehicle.shtml

It's pence.



I would say that car could do less than half that on a full charge in Canada. Unless you're shelling out more than $100,000 for a Tesla Model S 85D that'll get you an advertised 435 km of range — you can only drive 120-200 km on a single charge, depending on the vehicle.



That range is even shorter when it's cold outside and you're using extra juice to heat the interior. Take away the taxes on fuels and put them on  electricity and the operating costs disappear entirely.

Tesla doesn't sell the 85D anymore, they've been upgrade to a 100kWh battery.  Depending on the weather at 20 degrees celsius @ 100km/hr the 100D can travel up to 540km per charge, while in cities speed with regenerative breaking it can go over 800km.  Though in the winter and at highway speeds they probably get only a bit over 400km per charge, but the same can go for gas cars fuel consumption almost double under freezing temperatures, especially in short distance trips, even if we average it all out it's about 600km per charge through out all season and between city/highway driving.  120-200km is closer to the entry level EVs like the leaf, fiat and egolf, while mid range ones like the bolt, model 3 and VW ID series can last about 500km, and ones like faraday future and roadster 2.0 can go up to 1000km per charge with formula 1 race car performance.  I have nothing against gas cars, but just saying EVs aren't as bad as how they seem, plus I don't think owning electric cars will leave a mark on the oil industry.

You can still buy it though and there are more resale cars sold than new.  



I can  go  a thousand kilometres on a tank of fuel in my Jetta.  I can't drive to Buffalo from Barrie on a single charge in a Volkswagen e-Golf. And that's in the summer time.

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A new analysis of battery costs predicts that EVs will start making significant gains in market share in the next few years.



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600910/the-2020s-could-be-the-decade-when-electric-cars-take-over/

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It really depends on your needs, when it comes to long distance travel gas is definately the superior choice, i believe the egolf can only go around 330km max on eco+ mode, and you'll need to charge it at a station for 45mins.  But 1000km on one tank is pretty insane for a gas car, even my civic hybrid only travels 800km per tank and it's already a very gasoline efficent car.

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A new analysis of battery costs predicts that EVs will start making significant gains in market share in the next few years.



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600910/the-2020s-could-be-the-decade-when-electric-cars-take-over/

That seems like an impossibility. Electricity was designed for coffee pots, not transportation. We would never be able to meet the exponential demand for power.



And electric car manufacturers receive subsidies as well as the consumer. But, they have come down in price, that's undeniable.

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It really depends on your needs, when it comes to long distance travel gas is definately the superior choice, i believe the egolf can only go around 330km max on eco+ mode, and you'll need to charge it at a station for 45mins.  But 1000km on one tank is pretty insane for a gas car, even my civic hybrid only travels 800km per tank and it's already a very gasoline efficent car.

I looked into one last year and it was 125 miles(200 kms). But,  that is only in test conditions.  I contacted owners and discovered that in  real conditions, it is about 100-120 km range. A forty five minute charge would  add about 45 kilometres. I travel a lot in my car, so it made no sense to buy one even with the subsidy.

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[size=150]2017 VW e-Golf with up to 186 miles of range by the end of the year[/size]

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The EPA is definitely not ideal, if it's ideal then how could the NEDC test resulted in 300kilometers of range, and people reporting on eco+ mode they get around 330km in city stop and go traffic.  About the 75miles per charge I believe is the first generation egolf or some how they kept DC fast charging at every station to a level the battery is almost non-usable.