Title: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 10:09:59 AM
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 10:09:59 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Guilty of having an illegal firearm. No type of murder or manslaughter conviction.Quote from: "kiebers"https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kate-steinle-trial-jose-ines-garcia-zarate-not-guilty-fatal-pier-shooting/
Here is one of two defintions for second degree murder--
2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.
If someone is playing with a gun around a crowd of people and that gun goes off and kills someone, that should be second degree murder.
But the stupid SAN FRANCISCO jury couldn't even convict for manslaughter. Pitiful.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 10:38:25 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 10:38:25 AM
The only good that could come form this is the government could use it to step up efforts to deport illegals. I hope that happens.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 01:01:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 01:01:06 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
I'm not familiar with this case.Quote from: "Shen Li"
A totally fucked up situation.
Before the shooting, Garcia Zarate had finished a federal prison sentence for illegal re-entry into the United States and was transferred in March 2015 to San Francisco's jail to face a 20-year-old charge for selling marijuana.QuoteThe sheriff's department released him a few days later after the district attorney dropped the marijuana charge, despite a U.S. request to detain him for deportation.
Gotta love those sanctuary cities.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 02:27:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 02:27:53 PM
I'm not familiar with this case.Quote from: "Shen Li"
A totally fucked up situation.Before the shooting, Garcia Zarate had finished a federal prison sentence for illegal re-entry into the United States and was transferred in March 2015 to San Francisco's jail to face a 20-year-old charge for selling marijuana.QuoteThe sheriff's department released him a few days later after the district attorney dropped the marijuana charge, despite a U.S. request to detain him for deportation.
Gotta love those sanctuary cities.
Our dickhead mayor and some libtard city councillors wants to declare Edmonton a sanctuary city. Sorry Scouser, none of the loony leftist fuckers are Joooos.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
I'm not familiar with this case.Quote from: "Shen Li"
A totally fucked up situation.Before the shooting, Garcia Zarate had finished a federal prison sentence for illegal re-entry into the United States and was transferred in March 2015 to San Francisco's jail to face a 20-year-old charge for selling marijuana.QuoteThe sheriff's department released him a few days later after the district attorney dropped the marijuana charge, despite a U.S. request to detain him for deportation.
Gotta love those sanctuary cities.
In the old days any local official refusing to enforce federal laws would be put in federal prison. They certainly would deserve it, as Kate Steinle's blood is on their hands just as much as that illegal immigrant's.
Apparently federal charges may be filed, in an effort to get justice. I hope so . I would also like to see San Francisco's government sued into oblviion. But chances are the scofflaw democrats will get away with it again. They usually do these days.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 03:31:43 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 03:31:43 PM
It also costs people's lives as the Steinle situation shows.
but the dems want more votes so that's all that really matters.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: cc on December 01, 2017, 04:37:07 PM
Post by: cc on December 01, 2017, 04:37:07 PM
Our dickhead mayor and some libtard city councillors wants to declare Edmonton a sanctuary city. Sorry Scouser, none of the loony leftist fuckers are Joooos.Quote from: "Shen Li"ac_toofunny ac_lmfao
Better check heredity. They HAVE to be JooOOoos
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
Our dickhead mayor and some libtard city councillors wants to declare Edmonton a sanctuary city. Sorry Scouser, none of the loony leftist fuckers are Joooos.Quote from: "Shen Li"ac_toofunny ac_lmfao
Better check heredity. They HAVE to be JooOOoos
When I found out I had a drop of Ukrainian Jewish blood, the first thing I did was declare my land a sanctuary farm.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 05:30:19 PM
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 05:30:19 PM
I'm not familiar with this case.Quote from: "Shen Li"
A totally fucked up situation.Before the shooting, Garcia Zarate had finished a federal prison sentence for illegal re-entry into the United States and was transferred in March 2015 to San Francisco's jail to face a 20-year-old charge for selling marijuana.QuoteThe sheriff's department released him a few days later after the district attorney dropped the marijuana charge, despite a U.S. request to detain him for deportation.
Gotta love those sanctuary cities.
In the old days any local official refusing to enforce federal laws would be put in federal prison. They certainly would deserve it, as Kate Steinle's blood is on their hands just as much as that illegal immigrant's.
Apparently federal charges may be filed, in an effort to get justice. I hope so . I would also like to see San Francisco's government sued into oblviion. But chances are the scofflaw democrats will get away with it again. They usually do these days.
The thing is the gun belonged to a
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
Our dickhead mayor and some libtard city councillors wants to declare Edmonton a sanctuary city. Sorry Scouser, none of the loony leftist fuckers are Joooos.Quote from: "Shen Li"ac_toofunny ac_lmfao
Better check heredity. They HAVE to be JooOOoos
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
The notion that a State can ignore Federal law is ludicrous. I cannot think of any other nation on earth where this would happen. America is spiralling downwards and nobody knows where the brake is.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
A despicable miscarriage of justice, and a failure of the government to protect its people.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The notion that a State can ignore Federal law is ludicrous. I cannot think of any other nation on earth where this would happen. America is spiralling downwards and nobody knows where the brake is.
Montreal is a sanctuary city.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
A despicable miscarriage of justice, and a failure of the government to protect its people.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The notion that a State can ignore Federal law is ludicrous. I cannot think of any other nation on earth where this would happen. America is spiralling downwards and nobody knows where the brake is.
Montreal is a sanctuary city.
Shen Li said her province is considering it too. Every disgusting leftist idea that comes up in America or anywhere else is passed on to other western countries. Canada even has black lives matter and antifa now.
The left is a cancer that has fully metastacized to the entire west.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:04:57 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:04:57 PM
A despicable miscarriage of justice, and a failure of the government to protect its people.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The notion that a State can ignore Federal law is ludicrous. I cannot think of any other nation on earth where this would happen. America is spiralling downwards and nobody knows where the brake is.
All western nations are in decline, due to the left, America probably more than most others. As you say the notion that a state can ignore a federal law is a disgusting outrage. If there was any real justice these politicans who do this would be imprisoned as accessories to immigration crimes.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:10:30 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:10:30 PM
I'm not familiar with this case.Quote from: "Shen Li"
A totally fucked up situation.Before the shooting, Garcia Zarate had finished a federal prison sentence for illegal re-entry into the United States and was transferred in March 2015 to San Francisco's jail to face a 20-year-old charge for selling marijuana.QuoteThe sheriff's department released him a few days later after the district attorney dropped the marijuana charge, despite a U.S. request to detain him for deportation.
Gotta love those sanctuary cities.
In the old days any local official refusing to enforce federal laws would be put in federal prison. They certainly would deserve it, as Kate Steinle's blood is on their hands just as much as that illegal immigrant's.
Apparently federal charges may be filed, in an effort to get justice. I hope so . I would also like to see San Francisco's government sued into oblviion. But chances are the scofflaw democrats will get away with it again. They usually do these days.
The thing is the gun belonged to aBureau of Land Managment ranger. He put it in his backpack behind the drivers seat and locked the door. The vehicle was broken into 4 days before the shooting. It will all wind up being the BLM's fault for not having policy in place to insure theft not happening. That will be the primary focus from here on out. The family is sueing the BLM. They should sue the city, mayor, police chief, sheriff, and any number of other city government officials.
They are suing the wrong entity, it should be the people you mentioned. BLM safety policies are a trifle compared to sanctuary city scofflaws, who should really be in jail for aiding and abetting criminals.
BTW the latsest on the story is the DOJ has issued a warrent for this illegals arrest. Don't know if that means another trial yet, I hope so though. Justice was not done.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 09:10:56 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 09:10:56 PM
Social division will destroy us long before the muslims or Russians get their turn.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 09:17:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 09:17:36 PM
A despicable miscarriage of justice, and a failure of the government to protect its people.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The notion that a State can ignore Federal law is ludicrous. I cannot think of any other nation on earth where this would happen. America is spiralling downwards and nobody knows where the brake is.
Montreal is a sanctuary city.
Shen Li said her province is considering it too. Every disgusting leftist idea that comes up in America or anywhere else is passed on to other western countries. Canada even has black lives matter and antifa now.
The left is a cancer that has fully metastacized to the entire west.
I do not share your pessimism. Although spending must be reigned in and climate change alarmism could severely limit our growth, I see a bright future for a multicultural West.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:18:53 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 09:18:53 PM
Our Constitution is clear; where no State law exists, Federal law is applied. No State has laws regarding immigration, for example. Federal law applies in all cases. America is leading the way in demonstrating that a divided country is a weakened country. True, our leftards follow like drooling zombies the examples not only set by America, but other whacko leftists like the Greens.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Social division will destroy us long before the muslims or Russians get their turn.
Our laws are clear too. These cities and states are disobeying them deliberately,. The problem is how do you force them to obey the law?
I wouldn't be surprised if the "sanctuary cities" cancer came to Australia at some point. I hope not. But it would not surprise me.
the left wants absolute control over the entire west, and they will do anything to get it. Who is going to stop them?
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Post by: kiebers on December 01, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
I know...never happen.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 10:42:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 10:42:34 PM
I said years ago that its not NK, Russia or China that threatens America.
It's Mexico.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 11:06:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 11:06:39 PM
Take the federal funding away for the sanctuary cities and build that wall...Quote from: "kiebers"
I know...never happen.
There is no political or economic interest in building a physical barrier between the US and Mexico.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 11:16:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 11:16:34 PM
I am in NO doubt whatsoever that Mexico turns a blind eye to their citizens who illegally enter the US for either work, or crime. It gets a payoff.
Mexico must be made to understand that leeching from Americans is no longer an option.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 01, 2017, 11:21:21 PM
Post by: Frood on December 01, 2017, 11:21:21 PM
Take the federal funding away for the sanctuary cities and build that wall...Quote from: "kiebers"
I know...never happen.
There is no political or economic interest in building a physical barrier between the US and Mexico.
Except to call attention towards a mostly one sided vacuum.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 11:25:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 11:25:51 PM
Take the federal funding away for the sanctuary cities and build that wall...Quote from: "kiebers"
I know...never happen.
There is no political or economic interest in building a physical barrier between the US and Mexico.
Except to call attention towards a mostly one sided vacuum.
There are ways less harmful to the agriculture and construction sectors of doing that.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 11:27:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2017, 11:27:17 PM
America has once before lived on slave labour, and look where that has taken them.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 01, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
Post by: Frood on December 01, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
Take the federal funding away for the sanctuary cities and build that wall...Quote from: "kiebers"
I know...never happen.
There is no political or economic interest in building a physical barrier between the US and Mexico.
Except to call attention towards a mostly one sided vacuum.
There are ways less harmful to the agriculture and construction sectors of doing that.
And what of the social cohesion and national debt issues they sometimes bring?
I'm all for open borders but there must be a parity first. Laws, right or wrong, must also be abided by. Allowing non citizen people to knowingly break basic laws in order to gain entry and squat and be rewarded for it while pitching La Raza sentiments previous legal immigrants never considered decades past in their quests for better lives and in their readyness to assimilate.
That's just screwed up.
Go by merits. Not just wealth but by all merits.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 11:49:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2017, 11:49:09 PM
Take the federal funding away for the sanctuary cities and build that wall...Quote from: "kiebers"
I know...never happen.
There is no political or economic interest in building a physical barrier between the US and Mexico.
Except to call attention towards a mostly one sided vacuum.
There are ways less harmful to the agriculture and construction sectors of doing that.
And what of the social cohesion and national debt issues they sometimes bring?
I'm all for open borders but there must be a parity first. Laws, right or wrong, must also be abided by. Allowing non citizen people to knowingly break basic laws in order to gain entry and squat and be rewarded for it while pitching La Raza sentiments previous legal immigrants never considered decades past in their quests for better lives and in their readyness to assimilate.
That's just screwed up.
Go by merits. Not just wealth but by all merits.
Oh, laws should be enforced. All I am saying is that the US has got themselves into a predicament. They are dependent upon low paid illegal labour.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 11:57:23 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 01, 2017, 11:57:23 PM
Take the federal funding away for the sanctuary cities and build that wall...Quote from: "kiebers"
I know...never happen.
There is no political or economic interest in building a physical barrier between the US and Mexico.
Except to call attention towards a mostly one sided vacuum.
There are ways less harmful to the agriculture and construction sectors of doing that.
And what of the social cohesion and national debt issues they sometimes bring?
I'm all for open borders but there must be a parity first. Laws, right or wrong, must also be abided by. Allowing non citizen people to knowingly break basic laws in order to gain entry and squat and be rewarded for it while pitching La Raza sentiments previous legal immigrants never considered decades past in their quests for better lives and in their readyness to assimilate.
That's just screwed up.
Go by merits. Not just wealth but by all merits.
Oh, laws should be enforced. All I am saying is that the US has got themselves into a predicament. They are dependent upon low paid illegal labour.
Illegals cost america more than they save.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:03:58 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:03:58 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:11:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:11:21 AM
Take the federal funding away for the sanctuary cities and build that wall...Quote from: "kiebers"
I know...never happen.
There is no political or economic interest in building a physical barrier between the US and Mexico.
Except to call attention towards a mostly one sided vacuum.
There are ways less harmful to the agriculture and construction sectors of doing that.
And what of the social cohesion and national debt issues they sometimes bring?
I'm all for open borders but there must be a parity first. Laws, right or wrong, must also be abided by. Allowing non citizen people to knowingly break basic laws in order to gain entry and squat and be rewarded for it while pitching La Raza sentiments previous legal immigrants never considered decades past in their quests for better lives and in their readyness to assimilate.
That's just screwed up.
Go by merits. Not just wealth but by all merits.
Oh, laws should be enforced. All I am saying is that the US has got themselves into a predicament. They are dependent upon low paid illegal labour.
Illegals cost america more than they save.
The US has eleven million illegal aliens. The Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement division has the capacity to remove roughly 400,000 people a year.
The American Action Forum also looked other aspects of Trump's plan. The group estimated it would take around 32,000 new immigration attorneys to process cases — up from about 1,300 today — plus hundreds of thousands of extra detention beds, 17,000 chartered airplane flights, 30,000 chartered bus trips each year.
The total cost would be $100 billion to $300 billion, the group estimates.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 12:12:58 AM
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 12:12:58 AM
Illegal aliens, like gun possession, cannot reasonably and logically be argued for.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Immigrants and the protection of life, property, and liberties can however be reasonably and logically argued for.
For a person of courage and personal conviction.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:17:35 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:17:35 AM
But carry on.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Angry White Male on December 02, 2017, 12:17:49 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on December 02, 2017, 12:17:49 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:20:14 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:20:14 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:22:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:22:51 AM
Fuck those Haitian and Nigerian scammers crossing the border and making bullshit refugee claims. Don't take them to a refugee processing centre. Turn em the fuck around and send em back to Trump.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:26:11 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 12:26:11 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Angry White Male on December 02, 2017, 12:27:46 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on December 02, 2017, 12:27:46 AM
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
There you have it.
Many empires were built on the backs of people that were paid little to nothing. This isn't a new concept, but America certainly did, and still does, embrace the practice probably moreso than any other Western nation.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:30:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:30:40 AM
We stick them in a camp in New Guinea. Not allowed to set foot on our soil.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Nor should they be. We not only allow them to come here, we fast track the liars citizenship. Providing refuge is temporary and it should not be a path to citizenship.
It's a fucking slap in the face to those of us who immigrated the right way.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I go to Florida every winter. Grocery prices in particular are significantly cheaper than in Canada. Illegal agricultural labour is the primary reason for that.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 01:26:33 AM
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 01:26:33 AM
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I go to Florida every winter. Grocery prices in particular are significantly cheaper than in Canada. Illegal agricultural labour is the primary reason for that.
Actually, the somewhat lesser version of socialism in the economic work and marketplace which countries like yours (Canada) and mine (Australia) have vehemently pursued for decades much to the deficit of their populaces.
But don't worry. The US will eventually share our combined misery or erupt in widespread civil war.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 01:45:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 01:45:54 AM
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I go to Florida every winter. Grocery prices in particular are significantly cheaper than in Canada. Illegal agricultural labour is the primary reason for that.
Actually, the somewhat lesser version of socialism in the economic work and marketplace which countries like yours (Canada) and mine (Australia) have vehemently pursued for decades much to the deficit of their populaces.
But don't worry. The US will eventually share our combined misery or erupt in widespread civil war.
The US is a lot more socialist than most people realize. It has been like that for a long time too.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 01:46:42 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 01:46:42 AM
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I go to Florida every winter. Grocery prices in particular are significantly cheaper than in Canada. Illegal agricultural labour is the primary reason for that.
Meanwhile millions of Americans are looking for work.
Paying people slave wages is a short term gain, long term pain.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I go to Florida every winter. Grocery prices in particular are significantly cheaper than in Canada. Illegal agricultural labour is the primary reason for that.
Meanwhile millions of Americans are looking for work.
Paying people slave wages is a short term gain, long term pain.
It's how the US agriculture industry works. There are other industries reliant on illegal labour, but none to the extent of agriculture.
Most Americans benefit from this through low grocery prices.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 02:07:21 AM
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 02:07:21 AM
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I go to Florida every winter. Grocery prices in particular are significantly cheaper than in Canada. Illegal agricultural labour is the primary reason for that.
Actually, the somewhat lesser version of socialism in the economic work and marketplace which countries like yours (Canada) and mine (Australia) have vehemently pursued for decades much to the deficit of their populaces.
But don't worry. The US will eventually share our combined misery or erupt in widespread civil war.
The US is a lot more socialist than most people realize. It has been like that for a long time too.
They're slowly being dragged into the shit. Not like the rest of us who have to make a living and not murder arseholes who threw us in the shit.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 04:47:59 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 04:47:59 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 06:52:52 AM
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 06:52:52 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 02, 2017, 11:22:20 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 02, 2017, 11:22:20 AM
A despicable miscarriage of justice, and a failure of the government to protect its people.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The notion that a State can ignore Federal law is ludicrous. I cannot think of any other nation on earth where this would happen. America is spiralling downwards and nobody knows where the brake is.
Montreal is a sanctuary city.
Shen Li said her province is considering it too. Every disgusting leftist idea that comes up in America or anywhere else is passed on to other western countries. Canada even has black lives matter and antifa now.
The left is a cancer that has fully metastacized to the entire west.
I do not share your pessimism. Although spending must be reigned in and climate change alarmism could severely limit our growth, I see a bright future for a multicultural West.
If the lefts power keeps growing and they keep moving the goal posts, as they are doing, it won't matter much. we will all be a bunch of Cuba's before any ethnic strife hits. You will be able to get an abortion and be called by your preferred pronoun, but free speech? forget about it. Its hard to be concerned about carbon taxes if you end up in jail because you have been declared an enemy of the state.
As to the multiculturalism--It depends who the multiculturalism is. Jf its priomarily Asian and East Indians, like much of Canada, it probably won't matter much. If its muslim like in Europe, it will absolutely matter, if the number of Muslims grows high enough. And in the US if the democrat party succeeds in uniting blacks and hispanics against whites, which they are doing, it will happen in the US as well.
History is rife with totalitarianism, especially leftist totaltiarianism. History is also rife with countries that have been torn apart by ethnic differences. Don't think that either can't happen anywhere. They can.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 02, 2017, 11:30:10 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 02, 2017, 11:30:10 AM
It all comes down to low pay... People don't WANT to pay more. They want cheap goods. Only way to make this happen is with cheap slave labour.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Illegal aliens don't benefit America. if you have to pay two dollars more in taxes for every dollar you save at the grocery store you are not getting a good deal.
I'll post the article again
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
It all comes down to low pay... People don't WANT to pay more. They want cheap goods. Only way to make this happen is with cheap slave labour.Quote from: "Angry White Male"And you'd think America would have learned its lesson building an economy on illicit labour.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Illegal aliens don't benefit America. if you have to pay two dollars more in taxes for every dollar you save at the grocery store you are not getting a good deal.
I'll post the article again
That's a lot for just one state Wazzzup.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 11:46:22 AM
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 11:46:22 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 11:54:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 11:54:11 AM
Nobody wherever they're born or live should have to lean on others to put food on the table, money in the bank, or their kids through school. Having such systems available is why immigration is such a problem. If people paid for themselves with the fruits of their own labours and rejected governments and their slave taxes, immigration would be a boon and few would dispute it.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
In a perfect world yes, but not everyone is capable of paying their own way DD..
Combined with a rapidly aging population throughout the West, immigration fills those gaps.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 11:59:37 AM
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 11:59:37 AM
Nobody wherever they're born or live should have to lean on others to put food on the table, money in the bank, or their kids through school. Having such systems available is why immigration is such a problem. If people paid for themselves with the fruits of their own labours and rejected governments and their slave taxes, immigration would be a boon and few would dispute it.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
In a perfect world yes, but not everyone is capable of paying their own way DD..
Combined with a rapidly aging population throughout the West, immigration fills those gaps.
Family and a community supportive culture filled those gaps. Then politicians realized that they could milk more by disrupting with mass migrations and ethnicity cultural injections.
There would have been no problem if these things happened without politicians on their own.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
Nobody wherever they're born or live should have to lean on others to put food on the table, money in the bank, or their kids through school. Having such systems available is why immigration is such a problem. If people paid for themselves with the fruits of their own labours and rejected governments and their slave taxes, immigration would be a boon and few would dispute it.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
In a perfect world yes, but not everyone is capable of paying their own way DD..
Combined with a rapidly aging population throughout the West, immigration fills those gaps.
Family and a community supportive culture filled those gaps. Then politicians realized that they could milk more by disrupting with mass migrations and ethnicity cultural injections.
There would have been no problem if these things happened without politicians on their own.
We can agree, politicians make things worse.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
Post by: Frood on December 02, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 02, 2017, 12:44:11 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 02, 2017, 12:44:11 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 11:06:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 11:06:26 PM
"The jurors who were selected had to answer a 14-page questionnaire that probed their views about Latinos, immigration and guns. They were also quizzed about their gun ownership and political views of firearms.
Mercury News reported the jurors include two people who work in technology. The ages of the jurors range from the early 20s to 30s, and at least one of the chosen spoke Spanish.
"We are very pleased with the jury," said Matt Gonzalez, Zarate's attorney. "We have such great diversity built in San Francisco and I think we have a jury that understands a lot of the concerns about the defendant receiving a fair trial."
Jurors have to qualify for the defendant before the trial? How does THAT work?
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 11:06:57 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2017, 11:06:57 PM
I just found this;Quote from: "Bricktop"
"The jurors who were selected had to answer a 14-page questionnaire that probed their views about Latinos, immigration and guns. They were also quizzed about their gun ownership and political views of firearms.
Mercury News reported the jurors include two people who work in technology. The ages of the jurors range from the early 20s to 30s, and at least one of the chosen spoke Spanish.
"We are very pleased with the jury," said Matt Gonzalez, Zarate's attorney. "We have such great diversity built in San Francisco and I think we have a jury that understands a lot of the concerns about the defendant receiving a fair trial."
Jurors have to qualify for the defendant before the trial? How does THAT work?
Also, 6 jurors were female.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 03, 2017, 01:49:06 AM
Post by: Frood on December 03, 2017, 01:49:06 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 03, 2017, 11:30:21 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 03, 2017, 11:30:21 AM
I just found this;Quote from: "Bricktop"
"The jurors who were selected had to answer a 14-page questionnaire that probed their views about Latinos, immigration and guns. They were also quizzed about their gun ownership and political views of firearms.
Mercury News reported the jurors include two people who work in technology. The ages of the jurors range from the early 20s to 30s, and at least one of the chosen spoke Spanish.
"We are very pleased with the jury," said Matt Gonzalez, Zarate's attorney. "We have such great diversity built in San Francisco and I think we have a jury that understands a lot of the concerns about the defendant receiving a fair trial."
Jurors have to qualify for the defendant before the trial? How does THAT work?
Good info. I had not seen that before.
They made sure that the victim, Kate Steinle didn't get a fair trial. The guy was waving around a gun he stole from a cop's car. He was doing it in a crowd ed area and it went off three times. At the very least he is guilty of manslaughter.
The illegal has since been arrested by the US Department of Justice, I hope that means there will be a federal retrial, because justice was not served in this trial.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 03, 2017, 11:33:12 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 03, 2017, 11:33:12 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 12:15:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 12:15:28 PM
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/01/mother-son-killed-illegal-immigrant-kate-steinle-verdict-build-wall-defund-sanctuary https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/james-woods-steinle-verdict-turning-point-history-build-wall
I don't care about the wall. However, sanctuary cities must be defunded. City councils that won't enforce laws should be removed from office. Deport illegals convicted of crimes.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 04:16:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 04:16:33 PM
José Inez García Zárate (or Juan Francisco López-Sánchez),[16] of Guanajuato, Mexico, had been deported from the U.S. a total of five times, most recently in 2009.[17] He was on probation in Texas at the time of the shooting.[18] He had seven felony convictions. When he was apprehended, Garcia Zarate was listed as 45 years old by police, but as 52 in jail records.[19]Quote
Garcia Zarate arrived in the U.S. sometime before 1991, the year he was convicted of his first drug charge in Arizona. In 1993, he was convicted three times in Washington state for felony heroin possession and manufacturing narcotics. Following another drug conviction and jail term, this time in Oregon, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) deported Garcia Zarate in June 1994. However, Garcia Zarate returned to the U.S. within two years and was convicted again of heroin possession in Washington state. He was deported for the second time in 1997.[16]
On February 2, 1998, Garcia Zarate was deported for the third time, after reentering the U.S. through Arizona. United States Border Patrol caught him six days later at a border crossing, and a federal court sentenced Garcia Zarate to five years and three months in federal prison for unauthorized reentry. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), successor of the INS, deported Garcia Zarate in 2003 for his fourth deportation. However, he reentered the U.S. through the Texas border and got another federal prison sentence for reentry before being deported for the fifth time in June 2009.[16]
Less than three months after his fifth deportation, Garcia Zarate was caught attempting to cross the border in Eagle Pass, Texas. He pleaded guilty to felony reentry; upon sentencing, a federal court recommended Garcia Zarate be placed in "a federal medical facility as soon as possible".[16]
On March 26, 2015, at the request of the San Francisco Sheriff's Department (SFSD), United States Bureau of Prisons (BOP) had turned Garcia Zarate over to San Francisco authorities for an outstanding drug warrant.[20] San Francisco officials transported Garcia Zarate to San Francisco County Jail on March 26, 2015, to face a 20-year-old felony charge of selling and possessing marijuana after Garcia Zarate completed his latest prison term in San Bernardino County for entering in the country without the proper documents.[21]
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had issued a detainer for Garcia Zarate requesting that he be kept in custody until immigration authorities could pick him up. However, as a sanctuary city, its "Due Process for All" ordinance[22] restricted cooperation with ICE to cases only where the immigrant had both current violent felony charges and past violent felony convictions; therefore, San Francisco disregarded the detainer and released him.[23][24] He was released from San Francisco County Jail on April 15, 2015, and had no outstanding warrants or judicial warrants, as confirmed by the San Francisco Sheriff's Department.[18]
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 05:57:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 05:57:26 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
Even in the US.
Only the voters can make the needed changes to that State's perverted leaders.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 09:27:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 09:27:32 PM
I'm pretty sure civil authorities cannot be litigated against.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Even in the US.
Only the voters can make the needed changes to that State's perverted leaders.
I believe they can.
When governments are responsible for your accidents and injuries, you can normally sue them just as you would sue another person or company. This can include personal injury lawsuits for auto accidents and premises liability lawsuits for slip and fall injuries
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 09:48:08 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 09:48:08 PM
But what you cannot do is sue them for executing their duties, as long as they execute them "in good faith"...that is to say, within reasonable bounds of their authority. In fact, here in Oz, its relatively recent that government authorities could be sued for workplace negligence. Prior to that being imposed, they hid behind the "no sue" rule.
But the current, and I stress the word CURRENT civil laws in most democracies prevent governments being sued for the consequence of their decisions and policies. If they could be, there would be no governments.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
Same here.Quote from: "Bricktop"
But what you cannot do is sue them for executing their duties, as long as they execute them "in good faith"...that is to say, within reasonable bounds of their authority. In fact, here in Oz, its relatively recent that government authorities could be sued for workplace negligence. Prior to that being imposed, they hid behind the "no sue" rule.
But the current, and I stress the word CURRENT civil laws in most democracies prevent governments being sued for the consequence of their decisions and policies. If they could be, there would be no governments.
Sanctuary cities means not enforcing the law of the land. Though, I'm no legal expert, I think they could be sued in this case.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 10:03:45 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 10:03:45 PM
But it seems that the only way the Feds can establish their jurisdiction is by prosecuting the states.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 10:11:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 10:11:31 PM
Well, it would certainly make a robust legal argument that would forever change American politics.Quote from: "Bricktop"
But it seems that the only way the Feds can establish their jurisdiction is by prosecuting the states.
The Trump administration has talked about withholding federal funds for states that have sanctuary cities thereby putting pressure on the state to reign in cities that refuse to enforce the law. But, I haven't heard anything about legal action.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
All taxation is controlled by the Federal Government, but all GST money MUST go to the States.
The relationship between the US State and Federal governments seems unique to them. Pretty much everywhere else, states are subordinate to Federal legislation unless specified in the Constitution (local traffic laws etc...although even that is moving to a nationalised system).
Many here believe its time for the States to be abolished, anyway. In this modern age of communication and travel, fragmenting a country into differing jurisdictions is unnecessary and unwarranted.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 10:50:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2017, 10:50:54 PM
The American federation must be constructed differently to ours. The Federal Court is the highest of the land. State courts could never involve themselves in Federal issues as they do there. All matters involving Federal Law go direct to the High Court.Quote from: "Bricktop"
All taxation is controlled by the Federal Government, but all GST money MUST go to the States.
The relationship between the US State and Federal governments seems unique to them. Pretty much everywhere else, states are subordinate to Federal legislation unless specified in the Constitution (local traffic laws etc...although even that is moving to a nationalised system).
Many here believe its time for the States to be abolished, anyway. In this modern age of communication and travel, fragmenting a country into differing jurisdictions is unnecessary and unwarranted.
Take Trump's travel ban on six nations. State courts have blocked part of it.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 10:53:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2017, 10:53:13 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 12:06:40 AM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 12:06:40 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2017, 12:12:45 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2017, 12:12:45 AM
Federalism is a cancer.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
The Conservative Party of Canada and the American Republican generally favour decentralization. The centre left parties want to consolidate more power federally.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 12:17:15 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 12:17:15 AM
Federalism is a cancer.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
The States are the cancer...especially your idiot. Comrade Andrews.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 12:22:05 AM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 12:22:05 AM
Bullies should be kneecapped, gutted, and their cowardly entrails dragged behind a garden tractor through a puppy farm.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 12:23:18 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 12:23:18 AM
Well, it would certainly make a robust legal argument that would forever change American politics.Quote from: "Bricktop"
But it seems that the only way the Feds can establish their jurisdiction is by prosecuting the states.
The Trump administration has talked about withholding federal funds for states that have sanctuary cities thereby putting pressure on the state to reign in cities that refuse to enforce the law. But, I haven't heard anything about legal action.
A ridiculous judge issued an injunction blocking it. I am not sure if and when Trump is appealing that block.
If leftists don't like federal immigration laws, they should call their representatives and ask them to work to change them. This idea that cities can just ignore federal law is outrageous . And goes to show what utter contempt for democracy the left has when it suits their purposes.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 12:23:41 AM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 12:23:41 AM
Federalism is a cancer.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
The Conservative Party of Canada and the American Republican generally favour decentralization. The centre left parties want to consolidate more power federally.
I value personal freedom and find federalism disgusting.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 12:25:10 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 12:25:10 AM
The American federation must be constructed differently to ours. The Federal Court is the highest of the land. State courts could never involve themselves in Federal issues as they do there. All matters involving Federal Law go direct to the High Court.Quote from: "Bricktop"
All taxation is controlled by the Federal Government, but all GST money MUST go to the States.
The relationship between the US State and Federal governments seems unique to them. Pretty much everywhere else, states are subordinate to Federal legislation unless specified in the Constitution (local traffic laws etc...although even that is moving to a nationalised system).
Many here believe its time for the States to be abolished, anyway. In this modern age of communication and travel, fragmenting a country into differing jurisdictions is unnecessary and unwarranted.
Take Trump's travel ban on six nations. State courts have blocked part of it.
The supreme court removed that block three times but the asshat judge in Hawaii keeps doing it over and over again. he ought to be impeached.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2017, 12:53:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2017, 12:53:11 AM
The American federation must be constructed differently to ours. The Federal Court is the highest of the land. State courts could never involve themselves in Federal issues as they do there. All matters involving Federal Law go direct to the High Court.Quote from: "Bricktop"
All taxation is controlled by the Federal Government, but all GST money MUST go to the States.
The relationship between the US State and Federal governments seems unique to them. Pretty much everywhere else, states are subordinate to Federal legislation unless specified in the Constitution (local traffic laws etc...although even that is moving to a nationalised system).
Many here believe its time for the States to be abolished, anyway. In this modern age of communication and travel, fragmenting a country into differing jurisdictions is unnecessary and unwarranted.
Take Trump's travel ban on six nations. State courts have blocked part of it.
The supreme court removed that block three times but the asshat judge in Hawaii keeps doing it over and over again. he ought to be impeached.
It's just one activist judge blocking it?
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 01:11:58 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 01:11:58 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 02:56:05 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 02:56:05 AM
The American federation must be constructed differently to ours. The Federal Court is the highest of the land. State courts could never involve themselves in Federal issues as they do there. All matters involving Federal Law go direct to the High Court.Quote from: "Bricktop"
All taxation is controlled by the Federal Government, but all GST money MUST go to the States.
The relationship between the US State and Federal governments seems unique to them. Pretty much everywhere else, states are subordinate to Federal legislation unless specified in the Constitution (local traffic laws etc...although even that is moving to a nationalised system).
Many here believe its time for the States to be abolished, anyway. In this modern age of communication and travel, fragmenting a country into differing jurisdictions is unnecessary and unwarranted.
Take Trump's travel ban on six nations. State courts have blocked part of it.
The supreme court removed that block three times but the asshat judge in Hawaii keeps doing it over and over again. he ought to be impeached.
It's just one activist judge blocking it?
These travel bans expire every 90 days. The first was blocked by the hawaii judge and another judge. the supreme court overruled them. then the hawaii judge blocked the second travel ban, the supreme court overruled him again, and he did it a third time and they stopped him again.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 02:59:23 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 02:59:23 AM
I still don't understand how a State court can overrule a Federal government lawful enactment????Quote from: "Bricktop"
These are federal judges that blocked this stuff, none are state judges.
The flaw in the system is that these lower court federal judges can overrule a president, It should only be a supreme court verdict can overrule a president.
Naturally, leftist activist judges are abusing this flaw for all they can from it.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 03:03:32 AM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 03:03:32 AM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
Not a flaw, if the actions of POTUS are at odds with his or her authority as the States and the Federal are meant to share equal authority according to compacts made. This distinction has been watered down for numerous decades even centuries though.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I agree that states rights have been watered down. I am in no way for taking away states rights. Immigration has nothing to do with states rights. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1876 that immigration regulation is an exclusive Federal responsibility.
It IS a flaw because it upsets the check and balance system. One lower court judge should not be able to overrule a president. their objection should be noted, but not become final unless affirmed by the supreme court, It has nothing to do with states rights as these are federal judges trying to block Trump. And they are doing so against the written laws of the land. Judges are supposed to interpret not legislate..
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 01:18:51 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 04, 2017, 01:18:51 PM
Hmm, yeah probably
That's exactly what should happen. The idea that city officials can pick and choose what laws they abide by is an affront to democracy and rule of law. They are criminal accessories after the fact.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 01:56:28 PM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 01:56:28 PM
Not a flaw, if the actions of POTUS are at odds with his or her authority as the States and the Federal are meant to share equal authority according to compacts made. This distinction has been watered down for numerous decades even centuries though.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I agree that states rights have been watered down. I am in no way for taking away states rights. Immigration has nothing to do with states rights. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1876 that immigration regulation is an exclusive Federal responsibility.
It IS a flaw because it upsets the check and balance system. One lower court judge should not be able to overrule a president. their objection should be noted, but not become final unless affirmed by the supreme court, It has nothing to do with states rights as these are federal judges trying to block Trump. And they are doing so against the written laws of the land. Judges are supposed to interpret not legislate..
I agree on the federal border aspect though it's one legitimate federal power they've been reluctant to administer.
The Federal prefers messing with State responsibilities through regulation and tax revenue carrot and stick tricks. Then there is the gutting of the Reps and Senate that's been happening. A combination of Feds and lobbyist groups as well as the weak elected all too willing to relinquish instead of reclaim.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 05:57:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 05:57:26 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Thiel on December 04, 2017, 06:25:31 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 04, 2017, 06:25:31 PM
Well, it seems that the Feds have triumphed at last.Quote from: "Bricktop"http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/12/05/supreme-court-backs-trump-s-travel-ban.html
I was just about to post that.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 06:26:53 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 06:26:53 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Thiel on December 04, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 04, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
You gotta be quick!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
I will be next time.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
What a remarkable insight into American politics you have, Aaron.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Not interested in your silly hounding games bucko.
Let's stay on topic shall we?
I won't call you a geriatric sexual deviant and you won't second guess my gender.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 06:58:00 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 06:58:00 PM
And nobody is second guessing anything. There is no necessity to guess when your gender is already well known. Although, that does not take into account how you self identify.
Are you a female in a male's body, perchance?
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 07:02:17 PM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 07:02:17 PM
Instead of talk smack back in retaliation I'll leave you to your own devices.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 04, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 07:10:15 PM
Post by: Frood on December 04, 2017, 07:10:15 PM
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2017, 07:47:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2017, 07:47:42 PM
Not a flaw, if the actions of POTUS are at odds with his or her authority as the States and the Federal are meant to share equal authority according to compacts made. This distinction has been watered down for numerous decades even centuries though.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I agree that states rights have been watered down. I am in no way for taking away states rights. Immigration has nothing to do with states rights. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1876 that immigration regulation is an exclusive Federal responsibility.
It IS a flaw because it upsets the check and balance system. One lower court judge should not be able to overrule a president. their objection should be noted, but not become final unless affirmed by the supreme court, It has nothing to do with states rights as these are federal judges trying to block Trump. And they are doing so against the written laws of the land. Judges are supposed to interpret not legislate..
Provinces have some input on immigration in Canada, particularly Quebec.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Wazzzup on January 05, 2018, 07:49:22 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on January 05, 2018, 07:49:22 PM
Jose Ines Garcia Zarate was acquitted of Steinle's murder in December, but a jury convicted him of the lesser charge of a felon in possession of a firearm.
Since he has been detained in the San Francisco jail since his arrest on July 1, 2015, he was credited for time served.
Garcia Zarate will be on state parole for 48 months and will be transferred to federal custody.
Title: Re: Somehow I am not surprised
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2018, 09:41:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2018, 09:41:45 PM
The illegal immigrant who discharged a firearm and killed 32-year-old Kate Steinle was sentenced to three years in prison Friday, but he won't be spending any more time in state jail.
Jose Ines Garcia Zarate was acquitted of Steinle's murder in December, but a jury convicted him of the lesser charge of a felon in possession of a firearm.
Since he has been detained in the San Francisco jail since his arrest on July 1, 2015, he was credited for time served.
Garcia Zarate will be on state parole for 48 months and will be transferred to federal custody.
This case got very little coverage from Canadian news sources.