Title: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Wazzzup on December 18, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on December 18, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Lots of casaulities and injured but no word how many yet. Hopefully not many. The track was brand new. Apparently they believe there was on object on the tracks. Maybe it fell there (like a boulder) or maybe its some sort of sabotage.
BTW back in April antifa poured concrete on a traintrack nearby in Olympia Washington to stop it form conveying fracking equipment
And of course it could always be the religion of peace, as it so often is. (Al Qaeda and ISIS have encouraged Railway attacks) BUT as yet, nothing is for sure.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: cc on December 18, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Dunno. Conflicting info on all sorts of it today - it will get sorted out by tomorrow
There is a noticeable curve just before the bridge that most of it it fell off of. Also reports of "something on the tracks" by someone
Nearby mayor of Lakewood, a stop just before the accident, had expressed great concerns about the dangers of this run on Seattle Komo TV station just 2 weeks ago to the day
Washington is a mess / whacos in control of the entire coastal area ... everything is done for political / PC reasons to a GREAT extent - not sure why this was needed at all as alternate routing also used takes only 5 - 10 minutes longer ... not much saving of time, yet billions spent on it
Washington State promised "'shorter trip times and more reliable schedules' on new route" .. and this happened within very few miles of starting it's first run
I 5 is major highway, runs Canada to Mexico, and south traffic is blocked south of Tacoma for who knows how long
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: cc on December 18, 2017, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2017, 05:38:00 PM
"preliminary signs indicate that Train 501 may have struck something before going off the track."
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Blazor on December 18, 2017, 05:58:01 PM
Post by: Blazor on December 18, 2017, 05:58:01 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Aryan on December 18, 2017, 06:05:28 PM
Post by: Aryan on December 18, 2017, 06:05:28 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: cc on December 18, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Post by: cc on December 18, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Aryan on December 18, 2017, 06:10:49 PM
Post by: Aryan on December 18, 2017, 06:10:49 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Bricktop on December 18, 2017, 06:39:21 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 18, 2017, 06:39:21 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
First I heard about this and I have been home all day.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 07:09:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 07:09:02 PM
So antifa is anti working class too? Since Soros gives them money, that's no surprise.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Aryan on December 18, 2017, 07:23:13 PM
Post by: Aryan on December 18, 2017, 07:23:13 PM
So antifa is anti working class too? Since Soros gives them money, that's no surprise.
If the deep state didn't fund them, they'd be branded a terrorist organisation and banned.
Here in the UK, Theresa May has banned several 'far right' organisations but as you can guess, the far left ones have been left alone.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 07:38:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 07:38:46 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Angry White Male on December 18, 2017, 11:37:15 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on December 18, 2017, 11:37:15 PM
"Positive Train Control," which is sort of the train version of the collision/accident avoidance systems that new automobiles have, wasn't yet active on that stretch of track (think was to be implemented early next year on that track?), so looks like there would be no automatic over-ride, should the engine be screaming full steam ahead, which it looks like it was, when it shouldn't have been.
Operator error, more than likely. Probably won't ever work in that industry again, and that could be the least of his problems...
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 11:43:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 11:43:53 PM
Sound like the train was travelling too fast (like DOUBLE the speed limit on that stretch of track)...Quote from: "Angry White Male"
"Positive Train Control," which is sort of the train version of the collision/accident avoidance systems that new automobiles have, wasn't yet active on that stretch of track (think was to be implemented early next year on that track?), so looks like there would be no automatic over-ride, should the engine be screaming full steam ahead, which it looks like it was, when it shouldn't have been.
Operator error, more than likely. Probably won't ever work in that industry again, and that could be the least of his problems...
I don't know..
We'll see in the coming days and weeks.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Angry White Male on December 18, 2017, 11:48:06 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on December 18, 2017, 11:48:06 PM
However, new track, new run, 30 minutes behind schedule... It's easy to see how easily operator error could cause this, especially when the Train Control System was not yet operative...
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
The official NTSB investigation will take months, if not longer, to be completed. They won't release much until then.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
However, new track, new run, 30 minutes behind schedule... It's easy to see how easily operator error could cause this, especially when the Train Control System was not yet operative...
They are having similar problems up in Edmonton with their new LRT line.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Angry White Male on December 19, 2017, 12:04:59 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on December 19, 2017, 12:04:59 AM
Sure enough, a freight train hit a loaded dump truck. This caused the engines and a few cars to derail into a field. What a mess that was...
Then the limit was lowered to around 60 km/h after that. Since then numerous people have still died over the years, including a patient that was in the back of an ambulance that got hit.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: cc on December 19, 2017, 10:25:55 AM
Post by: cc on December 19, 2017, 10:25:55 AM
Officials: Amtrak train was reportedly going 80 in a 30-mph zone
The Amtrak train that derailed Monday morning on its inaugural trip through a faster railway route was supposed to slow dramatically, to 30 mph, before entering the curve where the crash occurred.
The Amtrak train that derailed Monday morning on its inaugural trip through a faster railway route was supposed to slow dramatically before entering the curve where the crash occurred.
The speed limit at the curve where the train crosses Interstate 5 is 30 miles per hour, said state transportation department spokeswoman Barbara LaBoe, while the speed limit on most of the track is 79 mph. She said speed-limit signs are posted two miles before the lowered speed zone and then just before the zone.
"Engineers are trained to slow trains according to posted speeds," she said.
Daniel Konzelman, who was driving on I-5 south parallel to the train, said he was traveling at 60 mph or more and watched the train pass his vehicle about a half-mile before the crash. A website that monitors locations and speeds of Amtrak trains, transitdocs.com, reported that the train was going about 81 mph shortly before the derailment, The Associated Press reported
The railway route had recently undergone a $181 million retrofit program in order to speed up passenger service that previously traveled away from the freeway and along the coast. Part of that retrofit was to include "positive train control" systems that can prevent dangerous situations such as excessive speed.
The 14.5-mile corridor is now equipped for positive train control equipment, but the train controls aren't operating yet in that area, said Amtrak CEO Richard Anderson. An Amtrak spokesman said the equipment was still being tested.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Odinson on December 19, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
Post by: Odinson on December 19, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
There is the cause of the accident.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 12:08:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 12:08:26 PM
The train was travelling 2,5 times the speed limit..Quote from: "Odinson"
There is the cause of the accident.
Absolutely, and thank you cc for posting that.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Odinson on December 19, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 19, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
The train was travelling 2,5 times the speed limit..Quote from: "Odinson"
There is the cause of the accident.
Absolutely, and thank you cc for posting that.
Didnt see that..
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 05:06:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 05:06:56 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 06:16:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 06:16:48 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 06:25:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 06:25:45 PM
...and the lawyers line up...Quote from: "Bricktop"
I expect that, but compensation is warranted.
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 06:29:14 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 06:29:14 PM
Title: Re: Big Train Crash in USA. Amtrak
Post by: The Donald on December 21, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
Post by: The Donald on December 21, 2017, 08:31:56 PM