https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0wuwJBdMI
No breaking news here.
No...none at all.
Music has always been this way, at least for the last many decades anyhow... The producer will tell the artist what to do, and he/she really hasn't much choice, if he/she wants a paycheck.
The Sex Pistols are a great example of a "fabricated" band also, don't forget...
True artists are very rarely given much freedom to do what they want. A small handful could demand artistic control, other didn't give a shit and did what they wanted to (Nirvana), but most just dance to the tune of whatever label is issuing them cheques.
I rarely listen to new stuff.
The Sex Pistols were just one of a large number of "contrived" band or performer. Some were in fact real bands and artists that simply got "hired" by studios and producers to perform songs guaranteed to sell. The original contrived band was The Monkees, of course, but others include The Sweet, Mudd, Susie Quattro, New Kids On The Block, Milli Vanilli, Kylie Minogue, Meatloaf, Bonnie Tyler and many more.
That does not make them "bad" as artists, but it shows that the idea of producers, rather then artists, creating music with the artists being the front man or woman has been going on for years. Now the cycle is complete and producers own the entire industry. Artists either play the record labels songs, or go nowhere.
There may be exceptions, but they are few and far between. Even most radio stations are told what to play, so to even get airplay would be near impossible for the 'non-connected.'
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The Sex Pistols were just one of a large number of "contrived" band or performer. Some were in fact real bands and artists that simply got "hired" by studios and producers to perform songs guaranteed to sell. The original contrived band was The Monkees, of course, but others include The Sweet, Mudd, Susie Quattro, New Kids On The Block, Milli Vanilli, Kylie Minogue, Meatloaf, Bonnie Tyler and many more.
That does not make them "bad" as artists, but it shows that the idea of producers, rather then artists, creating music with the artists being the front man or woman has been going on for years. Now the cycle is complete and producers own the entire industry. Artists either play the record labels songs, or go nowhere.
I didn't know all those artists were contrived.
Crap and full of propaganda......
Their current favourite being Feminism.
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There may be exceptions, but they are few and far between. Even most radio stations are told what to play, so to even get airplay would be near impossible for the 'non-connected.'
No so. There are loads of great musicians out there cutting albums, touring, and making an average or better living by doing what they want on their own terms. You won't hear them on traditional top FM type stations though.
One thing that's certainly a plus now... World Wide Web.
We now have more power to listen to whomever we want to, than we ever did. I remember, as a kid, going into a "record" store, and wondering if they even stocked the album/cassette/CD that I wanted. Often times they did not. Sometimes they could 'order it in' for me... Sometimes they could not, or the dunce behind the counter didn't even know what I was talking about.
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One thing that's certainly a plus now... World Wide Web.
We now have more power to listen to whomever we want to, than we ever did. I remember, as a kid, going into a "record" store, and wondering if they even stocked the album/cassette/CD that I wanted. Often times they did not. Sometimes they could 'order it in' for me... Sometimes they could not, or the dunce behind the counter didn't even know what I was talking about.
Digital radio too. When they widen up the radio spectrum it encourages more diversity.
Ya, Satellite radio was certainly a breath of fresh air when I had it, but I'm not in my car for long enough to generally enjoy it to the point of paying for it, so I didn't.
Certainly something that may be useful in my old Kenworth, but then I'd have to get the hardware to make that work.
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The Sex Pistols were just one of a large number of "contrived" band or performer. Some were in fact real bands and artists that simply got "hired" by studios and producers to perform songs guaranteed to sell. The original contrived band was The Monkees, of course, but others include The Sweet, Mudd, Susie Quattro, New Kids On The Block, Milli Vanilli, Kylie Minogue, Meatloaf, Bonnie Tyler and many more.
That does not make them "bad" as artists, but it shows that the idea of producers, rather then artists, creating music with the artists being the front man or woman has been going on for years. Now the cycle is complete and producers own the entire industry. Artists either play the record labels songs, or go nowhere.
I didn't know all those artists were contrived.
There was a British production team called Stock, Aitken and Waterman. They wrote and produced most of the major hits for The Sweet, Mudd, Susie Quattro and Kylie Minogue in her earlier days.
Meatloaf and Bonnie Tyler were engaged by Jim Steinman to do vocals on albums he wrote and produced.
New Kids and Milli Vanilli were worse; they were simply mimers to original songs produced and recorded by a production company, but the singers were session players who could not perform on stage. They were, in effect, actors.
The Monkees did not even play on their early songs until they rebelled and threatened to quit unless allowed to write and play their own music (after at least one had to learn to play). Their early hits were written and produced by Neil Sedaka, Neil Diamond and Carole King.
Some couldn't even play the instruments they were given to play...
Micky Dolenz could not play any instruments. Nor could Davy Jones, who was an actor, not a musician.
Peter Tork was a folk musician and Mike Nesmith had limited guitar skills. All were selected for their acting ability, as a means of countering the British Invasion led by the Beatles. It was a farce.
Everything is an illusion.
More and more I see this...
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Ya, Satellite radio was certainly a breath of fresh air when I had it, but I'm not in my car for long enough to generally enjoy it to the point of paying for it, so I didn't.
Certainly something that may be useful in my old Kenworth, but then I'd have to get the hardware to make that work.
Don't you guys have DAB+ terrestrial radio stations yet?
My Kenworth is 30 years old...
I don't know...
Sure.
Too cheap for an add on.
How about a mini DAB+ radio module with bluetooth, window suction cup, and external antenna?
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How about a mini DAB+ radio module with bluetooth, window suction cup, and external antenna?
It would cost him 50-100 bucks, but he's too poor for it now that he's making huge crypto whale waves.
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Micky Dolenz could not play any instruments. Nor could Davy Jones, who was an actor, not a musician.
Peter Tork was a folk musician and Mike Nesmith had limited guitar skills. All were selected for their acting ability, as a means of countering the British Invasion led by the Beatles. It was a farce.
What about Kiss?
Are they a real band?
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Micky Dolenz could not play any instruments. Nor could Davy Jones, who was an actor, not a musician.
Peter Tork was a folk musician and Mike Nesmith had limited guitar skills. All were selected for their acting ability, as a means of countering the British Invasion led by the Beatles. It was a farce.
What about Kiss?
Are they a real band?
Believe it or not, they are. They suck, but they have been a real band from the start. Same with U2 who could not play either.
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Micky Dolenz could not play any instruments. Nor could Davy Jones, who was an actor, not a musician.
Peter Tork was a folk musician and Mike Nesmith had limited guitar skills. All were selected for their acting ability, as a means of countering the British Invasion led by the Beatles. It was a farce.
What about Kiss?
Are they a real band?
No, not remotely. They are a circus act.
But as far as I know their music is their own...no-one could make music that bad as a business venture.
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How about a mini DAB+ radio module with bluetooth, window suction cup, and external antenna?
It would cost him 50-100 bucks, but he's too poor for it now that he's making huge crypto whale waves.
Is that what it cost you?
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How about a mini DAB+ radio module with bluetooth, window suction cup, and external antenna?
It would cost him 50-100 bucks, but he's too poor for it now that he's making huge crypto whale waves.
Is that what it cost you?
Kogan had a special on them awhile ago. Think it was around 60 bucks AUD. Decent quality and good reception in the burbs and slightly regional areas.
Yeah, that's what Don the Gimp said over at Third Rail.
Idiot.
He bought the same thing I bought?
Geriatric shithead.
Keep digging that hole, twerp...I enjoy watching you make an asshole of yourself.
Keep begging, Pervy. It won't change a thing.

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Music has always been this way, at least for the last many decades anyhow... The producer will tell the artist what to do, and he/she really hasn't much choice, if he/she wants a paycheck.
The Sex Pistols are a great example of a "fabricated" band also, don't forget...
True artists are very rarely given much freedom to do what they want. A small handful could demand artistic control, other didn't give a shit and did what they wanted to (Nirvana), but most just dance to the tune of whatever label is issuing them cheques.
This is true. The music industry is fucked. I like my peaceful little life,
The beauty is, is that we now have the greatest freedom to listen to anything we want to...
As a kid, we would dub songs from one another, on double cassette machines... Not anymore.
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Music has always been this way, at least for the last many decades anyhow... The producer will tell the artist what to do, and he/she really hasn't much choice, if he/she wants a paycheck.
The Sex Pistols are a great example of a "fabricated" band also, don't forget...
True artists are very rarely given much freedom to do what they want. A small handful could demand artistic control, other didn't give a shit and did what they wanted to (Nirvana), but most just dance to the tune of whatever label is issuing them cheques.
This is true. The music industry is fucked. I like my peaceful little life,
What kind of music do you listen to Berry?
Modern pop and Rap are to "music" ... what stick figures are to "art"
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Modern pop and Rap are to "music" ... what stick figures are to "art"
I know you like Roy Clark's guitar picking, but what else do you like?
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Modern pop and Rap are to "music" ... what stick figures are to "art"
I know you like Roy Clark's guitar picking, but what else do you like?
Everything from Cohen, all the way to classical Moúschouri and much of similar quality in between
Music that flows, moves .... that "moves me" inside and / or "makes me want to move" outside
I'm putting together some examples . I'll post in a bit
The music industry has decided to create a lot of shooting-stars instead of real stars..
They vomit out music.. Quantity over quality..
People are getting more dull headed and thats why simple music is getting more popular..
Same goes for every other industry..
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Modern pop and Rap are to "music" ... what stick figures are to "art"
I know you like Roy Clark's guitar picking, but what else do you like?
Everything from Cohen,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmPUu-rMpWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boMZEe9v_SA
Orbison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PLq0_7k1jk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Xj72bP0To
KD Lang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYiMJ2bC65A
Orbison & Lang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNoAp7RNUA
Diamond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti2lJ8V0aX0
all the way to classical Moúschouri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRpMCG5Wjck
and many other similar talents in between
Yes. I do love excellent guitar pickin, - solos in the middle of Pretty Woman & Bird on the Wire carry me away from harsh reality into off another world
Music that flows, moves .... that moves me and / or makes me want to move
Chet Atkins / Mark Knopler (much as I detested Lennon as a person, he wrote one pretty sounding piece of music)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IbDN2XhmaQ
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CHET ATKINS (Finger-Style)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao1VOMrEuS4
MARK KNOPFLER
mark knopfler sultans of swing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiCePhRY9Q8
A Favorite Song -
ROY Clark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUAkzUpvNfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT2PTetKMU8
A FUN ONE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TLrkFcb-g
MARTY ROBBINS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbfmTzc4IFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wk0DaKkfbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoH367Dg4YY
Very good and diverse musical selections cc.
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Do you play an instrument?
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Very good and diverse musical selections cc.
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Do you play an instrument?
She plays with her flute..
No, his
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Very good and diverse musical selections cc.
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Do you play an instrument?
Ya, kinda is a wide spread ... extremely picky though ... only real talent or real fun person
I pick the best talent and people of many genres
Used to play Spanish guitar a lot & a bit of steel guitar ... not so much of late
Didn't do much with accompaniment - I never studied music, just picked it up and did it "my way" .. . my timing changes - too undisciplined to make good music with others
Nowadays, acoustic guitars should be declared illegal in the hands of the muppets playing the same tune and chord structure with the same whiny "country" twang vocals in lieu of genuine singing.
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No, his
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Very good and diverse musical selections cc.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Do you play an instrument?
Ya, kinda is a wide spread ... extremely picky though ... only real talent or real fun person
I pick the best talent and people of many genres
Used to play Spanish guitar a lot & a bit of steel guitar ... not so much of late
Didn't do much with accompaniment - I never studied music, just picked it up and did it "my way" .. . my timing changes - too undisciplined to make good music with others
I love the sound of both.
ac_smile
True enough Brick. While there are a few singers who play extremely well,
there are MANY for whom it's just a prop
Yep.
"I can't play guitar and I can't sing...so I'll just do "country" songs instead".
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Music has always been this way, at least for the last many decades anyhow... The producer will tell the artist what to do, and he/she really hasn't much choice, if he/she wants a paycheck.
The Sex Pistols are a great example of a "fabricated" band also, don't forget...
True artists are very rarely given much freedom to do what they want. A small handful could demand artistic control, other didn't give a shit and did what they wanted to (Nirvana), but most just dance to the tune of whatever label is issuing them cheques.
This is true. The music industry is fucked. I like my peaceful little life,
What kind of music do you listen to Berry?
Actually....I really don't listen to music. I find it boring. Majority of music today is just garbage, stupid lyrics. I seldom listen to classical, or cd's of water sounds, chimes, birds chirping.
When I was younger I enjoyed Micheal Jackson, some Madonna, not much.
I found myself listening to Boney M last night...little drummer boy and feliz navidad.
Brick:
There are many outside of country who can't play or sing
and a "few" gems in country who do both well
Writing and direction are core elements of ALL good music .. timing for instrumentation and speeds, relative volume, "feeling" etc
A few just have it all naturally. Most don't and are products of commercial propaganda
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Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Music has always been this way, at least for the last many decades anyhow... The producer will tell the artist what to do, and he/she really hasn't much choice, if he/she wants a paycheck.
The Sex Pistols are a great example of a "fabricated" band also, don't forget...
True artists are very rarely given much freedom to do what they want. A small handful could demand artistic control, other didn't give a shit and did what they wanted to (Nirvana), but most just dance to the tune of whatever label is issuing them cheques.
This is true. The music industry is fucked. I like my peaceful little life,
What kind of music do you listen to Berry?
Actually....I really don't listen to music. I find it boring. Majority of music today is just garbage, stupid lyrics. I seldom listen to classical, or cd's of water sounds, chimes, birds chirping.
When I was younger I enjoyed Micheal Jackson, some Madonna, not much.
I found myself listening to Boney M last night...little drummer boy and feliz navidad.
Is there any older music you like?
Diamond was loved in most of Oz especially ... so many tours there ... a master of "timing" and volume
Mate got me his "Thank You Australia Tour" DVD - he was at his best in it
I prefer singers / musicians who are great performers ... can speak to the heart and soul of the listener
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Brick:
There are many outside of country who can't play or sing
and a "few" gems in country who do both well
Writing and direction are core elements of ALL good music .. timing for instrumentation, relative volume, "feeling" etc
Of course.
I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
But there are soooooo many talentless, unimaginative, whiny millenial performers who pick up an acoustic guitar and just play simply country music style chords and riffs to sing about how bad the world is, why they can't find love, why they don't have money and why they can't get music lessons.
Case in point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MdndGS-fks
Nothing...just the same old dirge over and over...
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Diamond was loved in most of Oz especially ... so many tours there ... a master of "timing" and volume
Mate got me his "Thank You Australia Tour" DVD - he was at his best in it
I prefer singers / musicians who are great performers ... can speak to the heart and soul of the listener
Here next year.

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Music has always been this way, at least for the last many decades anyhow... The producer will tell the artist what to do, and he/she really hasn't much choice, if he/she wants a paycheck.
The Sex Pistols are a great example of a "fabricated" band also, don't forget...
True artists are very rarely given much freedom to do what they want. A small handful could demand artistic control, other didn't give a shit and did what they wanted to (Nirvana), but most just dance to the tune of whatever label is issuing them cheques.
This is true. The music industry is fucked. I like my peaceful little life,
What kind of music do you listen to Berry?
Actually....I really don't listen to music. I find it boring. Majority of music today is just garbage, stupid lyrics. I seldom listen to classical, or cd's of water sounds, chimes, birds chirping.
When I was younger I enjoyed Micheal Jackson, some Madonna, not much.
I found myself listening to Boney M last night...little drummer boy and feliz navidad.
Is there any older music you like?
Yes there is...not at the top of my mind right now but I'll think and then post if I remember.
It's like a memories night tonight...I just told Lo a bunch of stories of her when she was little and some Xmas stories of when I was little....it was quite fun! She enjoyed that. I'm thinking of getting the old projector out and watch films with Lo of me as a child....projector and film...gawd...I'm getting old! Lol
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Yes there is...not at the top of my mind right now but I'll think and then post if I remember.
It's like a memories night tonight...I just told Lo a bunch of stories of her when she was little and some Xmas stories of when I was little....it was quite fun! She enjoyed that. I'm thinking of getting the old projector out and watch films with Lo of me as a child....projector and film...gawd...I'm getting old! Lol
No pressure Berry..
You get well and enjoy the projector film..
I don't know anyone that owns a projector.