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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 06:28:10 PM

Title: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
And don't think it doesn't matter to you.



You WILL become old and frail in time.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42416756
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"And don't think it doesn't matter to you.



You WILL become old and frail in time.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42416756

Heart wrenching.

 :sad:
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 06:39:05 PM
And heartless.



What on earth goes through a bureaucrat's head when making a determination of this nature?



This demonstrates the disconnect between government and the people who pay them.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 06:54:59 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"And heartless.



What on earth goes through a bureaucrat's head when making a determination of this nature?



This demonstrates the disconnect between government and the people who pay them.

The federal  government and my province in particular spend a huge percentage of services budgets on unionized labour. In Alberta, nurses spend less than half their time with patients.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 07:07:28 PM
Bureaucracy - Where women go that don't want to work.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Bureaucracy - Where women go that don't want to work.

Thank you very much.

 :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Odinson on December 19, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
Beautiful...



Too bad they werent rapefugees.. They would have had a suite in a 5-star hotel reserved for them and a personal medical staff..
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 07:13:13 PM
Sorry, but its true. There are, of course, dedicated and conscientious MEN and WOMEN who work hard for the taxpayer...but for every one of those, there are many more who are a waste of office space and enter the public service in lieu of the dole queue.



Today's bureaucrat is yesterdays stenographer, but with far more authority than their intellect can accommodate.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Sorry, but its true. There are, of course, dedicated and conscientious MEN and WOMEN who work hard for the taxpayer...but for every one of those, there are many more who are a waste of office space and enter the public service in lieu of the dole queue.



Today's bureaucrat is yesterdays stenographer, but with far more authority than their intellect can accommodate.

I know we could make reductions and still get our jobs done.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 10:03:15 PM
When I worked for the Feds, I estimated we could wipe 10% from the workforce with NO net loss of efficiency.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"When I worked for the Feds, I estimated we could wipe 10% from the workforce with NO net loss of efficiency.

Only 10 per cent? That's a fuck of a lot more efficient than Canada's federal snivel service.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Aryan on December 19, 2017, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"Beautiful...



Too bad they werent rapefugees.. They would have had a suite in a 5-star hotel reserved for them and a personal medical staff..


Yep and a chauffeur driven limo.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 10:20:59 PM
Whenever cuts are made to public spending or just floated the public sector unions spend huge amounts of money on advertising. It's always the same disingenuous emotional porn about draconian cuts destroying students and hospital patients. The public usually falls for it.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Its a scam to keep unnecessary jobs for undereducated wastes of space.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Its a scam to keep unnecessary jobs for undereducated wastes of space.

With their defined benefit pension plans they are a huge liability for future generations of taxpayers. But, try cutting a dollar from the public spending and their unions will spend millions brainwashing the public into believing the cuts are"draconian".
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 19, 2017, 10:42:00 PM
I like to hold up the Motor Vehicle Registration department as a prime example of a bureaucracy for its own sake.



We have to register our cars annually. Why? To fund the Motor Registration Department.



What's that Department do? It registers your cars.



Why? TO FUND THE MOTOR REGISTRATION DEPARTMENT. AREN'T YOU LISTENING???



There is no valid reason to register a car every year...only when it changes owners.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2017, 10:49:57 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"I like to hold up the Motor Vehicle Registration department as a prime example of a bureaucracy for its own sake.



We have to register our cars annually. Why? To fund the Motor Registration Department.



What's that Department do? It registers your cars.



Why? TO FUND THE MOTOR REGISTRATION DEPARTMENT. AREN'T YOU LISTENING???



There is no valid reason to register a car every year...only when it changes owners.

In every province in Canada you have to buy an annual sticker for your license plate ie, register your car.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 12:39:40 AM
Its another government scam. An entirely unnecessary impost on what governments see as wallets on wheels.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2017, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Its another government scam. An entirely unnecessary impost on what governments see as wallets on wheels.

Same with yearly fishing licenses and boating licenses. Money, money, money.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 12:46:08 AM
Its outright theft to support utterly unnecessary jobs for unnecessary purposes. They claim its for our own good, but all it means is that governments can employ people who could not get a job anywhere else, to make their numbers look good at election time.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2017, 01:19:20 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Its outright theft to support utterly unnecessary jobs for unnecessary purposes. They claim its for our own good, but all it means is that governments can employ people who could not get a job anywhere else, to make their numbers look good at election time.

And it's not like the private sector where employment can be scaled back when sales are down. The way it works now, once someone is on the public teat they are there no matter how redundant they are. And when they retire they get a generous defined pension benefit pension that future generations cannot afford.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 01:25:43 AM
Exactly.



Their tenure for life was initially to compensate them for the fact that public sector wages were below private sector wages.



Now, they are 20% higher in Australia...yet tenure remains.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Angry White Male on December 20, 2017, 01:25:55 AM
My ex worked in complex care, the EXACT type of facility that would generally house the elderly with more serious issues...



They work as hard as they can, but too many old people entering the system, with too little budget, creates a problem.



Canada taxes the shit out of people, so the money should be there...  And it IS there.  Where does it go?  One BILLION per year to the CBC, the make-work program for otherwise unemployable Liberal Arts Grads.



And ANOTHER BILLION to the fucking Indians, that create nothing, nor contribute to anything.



TWO FUCKING BILLION right there, in wasted dollars, for "feel good" and "make work" type projects...
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 01:28:02 AM
And check out how much is flushed through the S Bend on junk degrees in universities.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2017, 01:32:43 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"And check out how much is flushed through the S Bend on junk degrees in universities.

This is a big problem. There is no way there should be any subsidy at all on liberal arts education. You want a hobby degree, pay the full cost urself.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 01:48:00 AM
Yes.



The FULL cost to include the salaries of the marxist "professors" who teach that crap, floor space occupied by said courses, and admin fees.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Angry White Male on December 20, 2017, 01:51:08 AM
One big fucking make work project, is all that is.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2017, 12:03:24 PM
We will pay for our children's education, but it has to be in a profession.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
You'd better make sure that profession needs more staff...new jobs in ANY profession will be at a premium...especially for males.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2017, 09:59:27 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"You'd better make sure that profession needs more staff...new jobs in ANY profession will be at a premium...especially for males.

The people that are working full time in the future will enjoy better pay and perks than their peers today.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 10:19:48 PM
Ah...but the question is how many people will work FULL time?



How many will be "qualified"?



What happens to those with no tertiary indoctrination?



Who will do all the manual work, whilst others work "full time" in comfortable air conditioned offices, producing nothing but talk and reports.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Ah...but the question is how many people will work FULL time?



How many will be "qualified"?



What happens to those with no tertiary indoctrination?



Who will do all the manual work, whilst others work "full time" in comfortable air conditioned offices, producing nothing but talk and reports.

I believe the percentage of full time workers will drop.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 20, 2017, 11:44:08 PM
Some predict by around 50%.



Part time, casual and contract will be the future of employment.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2017, 11:54:09 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Some predict by around 50%.



Part time, casual and contract will be the future of employment.

In Canada, most people get dental insurance coverage through their employer. But, with fewer people working in traditional full time jobs, this coverage becomes a problem. Collection agencies do a lot of work on behalf of dental clinics.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Frood on December 20, 2017, 11:54:42 PM
Self employment as well.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2017, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Some predict by around 50%.



Part time, casual and contract will be the future of employment.

In Canada, most people get dental insurance coverage through their employer. But, with fewer people working in traditional full time jobs, this coverage becomes a problem. Collection agencies do a lot of work on behalf of dental clinics.

Between my job and my husband's job we have better extended medical than most people..



But, a few crowns would  quickly use up our yearly coverage.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 21, 2017, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Self employment as well.


True.



Forgot that. Probably the most important one really.



Risk management by employers means "contracting" self-employed people...if they aren't up to scratch, they just don't get work.



Going to get ugly out there.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Frood on December 21, 2017, 12:29:29 AM
The way it should be. Value in the marketplace.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2017, 12:34:23 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Self employment as well.


True.



Forgot that. Probably the most important one really.



Risk management by employers means "contracting" self-employed people...if they aren't up to scratch, they just don't get work.



Going to get ugly out there.

And our provincial and federal government are only making it worse..



We have a lot of non traditional oil in my province, but we can't get the infrastructure built to get our resources to markets other than the USA where it's heavily discounted..



Carbon taxes are sending  our jobs to other jurisdictions.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 21, 2017, 02:27:27 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The way it should be. Value in the marketplace.


The problem with that is what do we do with the dunces??
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Frood on December 21, 2017, 02:34:23 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The way it should be. Value in the marketplace.


The problem with that is what do we do with the dunces??


Who cares?
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Bricktop on December 21, 2017, 02:35:41 AM
Those who pay taxes will when the dole queue grows.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Frood on December 21, 2017, 02:38:42 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Those who pay taxes will when the dole queue grows.


Get rid of the dole and it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Canada's Bureaucracy At Work
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2017, 11:53:45 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The way it should be. Value in the marketplace.


The problem with that is what do we do with the dunces??

That's why we have a social safety net....to care for people who can't look after themselves.