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Quote from: "Angry White Male"My stepfather argued that the death penalty is not a deterrent, and to this I will agree.



Nonetheless, why shouldn't we exterminate the worst of the worst?  I'm not talking about a guy that kills his wife in a fit of drunken rage, after catching her with another man...  Those cases are different.



I'm talking the Bundy's, the Olson's, the Dahmer's...

No Western country uses the death penalty anymore..



South Korea and Taiwan have it, but never use it.

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Quote from: "Angry White Male"My stepfather argued that the death penalty is not a deterrent, and to this I will agree.



Nonetheless, why shouldn't we exterminate the worst of the worst?  I'm not talking about a guy that kills his wife in a fit of drunken rage, after catching her with another man...  Those cases are different.



I'm talking the Bundy's, the Olson's, the Dahmer's...

No Western country uses the death penalty anymore..



South Korea and Taiwan have it, but never use it.

I think you meant to say other than the United States and that is true.



I have no problem sending a Paul Bernardo or Clifford Olson to death. Hell, I'll even be the hangman.

Quote from: "seoulbro"I don't really think a lot about these non economic issues.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"I don't really think a lot about these non economic issues.

Economically, there is an advantage to terminating people like Clifford Olson.  Housing them for life costs $$$...

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Quote from: "seoulbro"I don't really think a lot about these non economic issues.

Economically, there is an advantage to terminating people like Clifford Olson.  Housing them for life costs $$$...

I remember reading that the real  costs are for trials..



A murder trial is very expensive and of course so are appeals.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"I don't really think a lot about these non economic issues.

Economically, there is an advantage to terminating people like Clifford Olson.  Housing them for life costs $$$...

I remember reading that the real  costs are for trials..



A murder trial is very expensive and of course so are appeals.

Housing 1 inmate per year in Canada costs over $100,000.  All of their medical and dental is paid for.



Children who are poverty stricken dont even get any help.  The system is wrong.



Prisons are a business.  There is a shit load pf money to be made off these useless criminals.  The guards make money off inmates for bringing in drugs and other banned collateral into the prison. ..even cell phones...those guards make a killing by abusing that.

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Lol I hate to say this but you're quite right, I remember my 2nd brother used to work as a top security correctional officer in Kingston, Ontario and told me his starting wage was about 65K a year and there's already like 1 officer for every 8 inmates, along with hundreds of other professional staff and the prison facility is built to offer the service of a small town like work shops, chapel, kitchen, gym, recreational center and all other service, while no other facility can offer service close to this aside from a one and only 10 billion USD super aircraft carriers, which even China can't afford or have the tech to construct.  Along with the government pays inmates money to go to school, pays them money to take a bath and to learn other trade skills, just so they save up enough money to last for a while right after being released from prison.  In the end the system is just so imbalance and could seriously learn a thing or 2 from how Japan can manage to use their prisoners to a level productive enough to even help build a city, while ours are paid to do nothing, or least nothing productive in return.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"I don't really think a lot about these non economic issues.

Economically, there is an advantage to terminating people like Clifford Olson.  Housing them for life costs $$$...

I remember reading that the real  costs are for trials..



A murder trial is very expensive and of course so are appeals.

Housing 1 inmate per year in Canada costs over $100,000.  All of their medical and dental is paid for.



Children who are poverty stricken dont even get any help.  The system is wrong.



Prisons are a business.  There is a shit load pf money to be made off these useless criminals.  The guards make money off inmates for bringing in drugs and other banned collateral into the prison. ..even cell phones...those guards make a killing by abusing that.

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Quote from: "Angry White Male"

Quote from: "seoulbro"I don't really think a lot about these non economic issues.

Economically, there is an advantage to terminating people like Clifford Olson.  Housing them for life costs $$$...

I remember reading that the real  costs are for trials..



A murder trial is very expensive and of course so are appeals.

Housing 1 inmate per year in Canada costs over $100,000.  All of their medical and dental is paid for.



Children who are poverty stricken dont even get any help.  The system is wrong.



Prisons are a business.  There is a shit load pf money to be made off these useless criminals.  The guards make money off inmates for bringing in drugs and other banned collateral into the prison. ..even cell phones...those guards make a killing by abusing that.

A big chunk of that is salaries and defined benefit pension plans. It sure as hell does not cost that much to house and feed inmates.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"I don't really think a lot about these non economic issues.

Economically, there is an advantage to terminating people like Clifford Olson.  Housing them for life costs $$$...

I remember reading that the real  costs are for trials..



A murder trial is very expensive and of course so are appeals.

Housing 1 inmate per year in Canada costs over $100,000.  All of their medical and dental is paid for.



Children who are poverty stricken dont even get any help.  The system is wrong.



Prisons are a business.  There is a shit load pf money to be made off these useless criminals.  The guards make money off inmates for bringing in drugs and other banned collateral into the prison. ..even cell phones...those guards make a killing by abusing that.

A big chunk of that is salaries and defined benefit pension plans. It sure as hell does not cost that much to house and feed inmates.

Yes.  That is why I mentioned prison is a business.   The system is wrong and justice is a joke.

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Lol I hate to say this but you're quite right, I remember my 2nd brother used to work as a top security correctional officer in Kingston, Ontario and told me his starting wage was about 65K a year and there's already like 1 officer for every 8 inmates, along with hundreds of other professional staff and the prison facility is built to offer the service of a small town like work shops, chapel, kitchen, gym, recreational center and all other service, while no other facility can offer service close to this aside from a one and only 10 billion USD super aircraft carriers, which even China can't afford or have the tech to construct.  Along with the government pays inmates money to go to school, pays them money to take a bath and to learn other trade skills, just so they save up enough money to last for a while right after being released from prison.  In the end the system is just so imbalance and could seriously learn a thing or 2 from how Japan can manage to use their prisoners to a level productive enough to even help build a city, while ours are paid to do nothing, or least nothing productive in return.

Its absolutely ridiculous!   And yes their starting wages are ridiculously high.



What pisses me off most is the amount recourses available to inmates and they dont take them seriously.  Most of them are repeat offenders...so that proves that rehabilitation doesnt work.



Fuck the rehabilitation,  put them to work for zero pay...you dont get and work, throw them in the hole.

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Lol I hate to say this but you're quite right, I remember my 2nd brother used to work as a top security correctional officer in Kingston, Ontario and told me his starting wage was about 65K a year and there's already like 1 officer for every 8 inmates, along with hundreds of other professional staff and the prison facility is built to offer the service of a small town like work shops, chapel, kitchen, gym, recreational center and all other service, while no other facility can offer service close to this aside from a one and only 10 billion USD super aircraft carriers, which even China can't afford or have the tech to construct.  Along with the government pays inmates money to go to school, pays them money to take a bath and to learn other trade skills, just so they save up enough money to last for a while right after being released from prison.  In the end the system is just so imbalance and could seriously learn a thing or 2 from how Japan can manage to use their prisoners to a level productive enough to even help build a city, while ours are paid to do nothing, or least nothing productive in return.

Its absolutely ridiculous!   And yes their starting wages are ridiculously high.



What pisses me off most is the amount recourses available to inmates and they dont take them seriously.  Most of them are repeat offenders...so that proves that rehabilitation doesnt work.



Fuck the rehabilitation,  put them to work for zero pay...you dont get and work, throw them in the hole.

Sounds like vigilante slavery.



Look at the prison population of the US. Per capita it outstrips every other. The greater portion of that population are there because of victimless and often drug related prosecutions. That 'war on drugs'.



Those people are the victims. Not the State. The State is a figment of imagination. It doesn't actually exist. There are just people on this planet. Some harm themselves. Some harm others. Some pretend to be various flag supporters of fictitious cults called government simply because their parents once fcked or gave birth within imaginary boundaries.



Criminality is more often than not a big fat lie with inhumane consequences.



I'm surprised that you're so gung ho about criminality when you've admitted to being a chronic pot smoker, Berry.

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Lol I hate to say this but you're quite right, I remember my 2nd brother used to work as a top security correctional officer in Kingston, Ontario and told me his starting wage was about 65K a year and there's already like 1 officer for every 8 inmates, along with hundreds of other professional staff and the prison facility is built to offer the service of a small town like work shops, chapel, kitchen, gym, recreational center and all other service, while no other facility can offer service close to this aside from a one and only 10 billion USD super aircraft carriers, which even China can't afford or have the tech to construct.  Along with the government pays inmates money to go to school, pays them money to take a bath and to learn other trade skills, just so they save up enough money to last for a while right after being released from prison.  In the end the system is just so imbalance and could seriously learn a thing or 2 from how Japan can manage to use their prisoners to a level productive enough to even help build a city, while ours are paid to do nothing, or least nothing productive in return.

Its absolutely ridiculous!   And yes their starting wages are ridiculously high.



What pisses me off most is the amount recourses available to inmates and they dont take them seriously.  Most of them are repeat offenders...so that proves that rehabilitation doesnt work.



Fuck the rehabilitation,  put them to work for zero pay...you dont get and work, throw them in the hole.

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Quote from: "Berry Sweet"

Quote from: "Zetsu"


Lol I hate to say this but you're quite right, I remember my 2nd brother used to work as a top security correctional officer in Kingston, Ontario and told me his starting wage was about 65K a year and there's already like 1 officer for every 8 inmates, along with hundreds of other professional staff and the prison facility is built to offer the service of a small town like work shops, chapel, kitchen, gym, recreational center and all other service, while no other facility can offer service close to this aside from a one and only 10 billion USD super aircraft carriers, which even China can't afford or have the tech to construct.  Along with the government pays inmates money to go to school, pays them money to take a bath and to learn other trade skills, just so they save up enough money to last for a while right after being released from prison.  In the end the system is just so imbalance and could seriously learn a thing or 2 from how Japan can manage to use their prisoners to a level productive enough to even help build a city, while ours are paid to do nothing, or least nothing productive in return.

Its absolutely ridiculous!   And yes their starting wages are ridiculously high.



What pisses me off most is the amount recourses available to inmates and they dont take them seriously.  Most of them are repeat offenders...so that proves that rehabilitation doesnt work.



Fuck the rehabilitation,  put them to work for zero pay...you dont get and work, throw them in the hole.

There's no doubt the wages for federal prisons and the union backing them up need to be scrapped asap.  Even my 2nd brother that work there told me he felt like a thief everyday, getting paid every hour just to sit in front of a bunch of CCTV, or another day sitting next to a patient sleeping on the hospital bed after completing a surgery and him just reading the news paper.  The movies and documentaries always like make a big deal out of maximum security prisons, but in reality my brother says it's one of the most simplest jobs that can exist despite how he manage to get in for 1 in every 3000 applicants.  And yea rehabilitation isn't that effective either, like my brother had said the prison is the best place were inmates all huddle together to share their knowledge on how to commit more effective crimes, making it harder for cops to catch them, if rehabilitation works, it's only effective on the inmates house in minimum security prisons.  And I totally agree with what you've said, for serious offenders they should just save us tax payer's money by offering the simple solution of putting a bullet in their heads.  :fgj(5):