Title: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:16:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:16:52 AM
"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time
The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.
"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.
Cal-exit? Meet the movement for California secession
But unlike other separation movements in the past, the state of New California wants to do things by the book, citing Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and working with the state legislature to get it done, similar to the way West Virginia was formed.
"Yes. We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern," said founder Tom Reed.
And despite obstacles, doubters, and obvious long odds, the group stands united in their statehood dream.
The group is organized with committees and a council of county representatives, but say it will take 10 to 18 months before they are ready to fully engage with the state legislature.
This is not the first effort to split up California. In 2014, Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper submitted signatures to put a measure that would split California in six separate states.
And California's tax burden is still not as high as my province. In theory, I support the idea. Enough is enough with the growth of the state. It makes a few people well off, but most poorer and with less liberty.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 17, 2018, 11:19:05 AM
Post by: Frood on January 17, 2018, 11:19:05 AM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:20:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:20:49 AM
Good luck to them!Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Same same, I wish their movement all the success in the world.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:24:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:24:14 AM
Good luck to them!Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Same same, I wish their movement all the success in the world.
Seoul, do you think they will actually create a new state?
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:49:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 11:49:16 AM
Good luck to them!Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Same same, I wish their movement all the success in the world.
Seoul, do you think they will actually create a new state?
No. It's a real long shot.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: kiebers on January 17, 2018, 12:02:23 PM
Post by: kiebers on January 17, 2018, 12:02:23 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 12:06:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 12:06:20 PM
Two more GOP senators???? LOLQuote from: "kiebers"
Another reason why the coastal oligarchy will block any new state of California.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on January 17, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on January 17, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
The democrats used immigration to make california a majority non white state. With most immigrants from the underclass, unlike canada's immigrants, and most of them pulling the D lever as planned.
The governor is an extreme democrat, and both legislative houses have supermajorities of democrats. The left is in full control with no end in sight.
Right at this moment california has-- the highest debt of any state, The highest taxes of any state, and the highest poverty rate of any state. Its hard to go lower than that but I'm sure they will try.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Blazor on January 17, 2018, 12:41:14 PM
Post by: Blazor on January 17, 2018, 12:41:14 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 04:38:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 04:38:38 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 05:39:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 05:39:53 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 17, 2018, 06:10:14 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 17, 2018, 06:10:14 PM
One country, one government.
States were formed to disperse management over large countries to more localised legislatures due to the tyranny of distance prior to modern communication technology. There is no need for so many politicians now. They are an anachronism that cause far more problems than they are worth.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 06:25:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2018, 06:25:34 PM
States should be eradicated.Quote from: "Bricktop"
One country, one government.
States were formed to disperse management over large countries to more localised legislatures due to the tyranny of distance prior to modern communication technology. There is no need for so many politicians now. They are an anachronism that cause far more problems than they are worth.
I hate dual taxation. Some people in this country mistakenly believe they have lower income taxes than Scandinavian countries, but that's not true once provinces take the second round of income, corporate and sales taxes.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 17, 2018, 07:06:28 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 17, 2018, 07:06:28 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: mugwump on January 18, 2018, 12:08:18 AM
Post by: mugwump on January 18, 2018, 12:08:18 AM
I would like to see my province and Alberta leave Canada. Independence would be the best option, but if not, than join the USA. I hate giving my tax dollars to Justine.Quote from: "Herman"
I don't have see much of a future for any province in Canada. I can't wait to get out of Canada for good.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2018, 12:13:57 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2018, 12:13:57 AM
Australia?
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: mugwump on January 18, 2018, 12:16:19 AM
Post by: mugwump on January 18, 2018, 12:16:19 AM
Where ya going?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Australia?
Panama
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on January 20, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on January 20, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment ...would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."
I would love to see these businesses leave. let california become the ruin of the nation, (its well on its way) A warning to all other states of what not to do.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: realgrimm on January 20, 2018, 01:38:59 PM
Post by: realgrimm on January 20, 2018, 01:38:59 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2018, 03:36:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2018, 03:36:36 PM
The latest in Big greedy California government--Quote from: "Wazzzup"California would seize the savings via a proposed "tax surcharge" on any tax reform benefits, The San Francisco Chronicle reports:
"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment ...would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."
I would love to see these businesses leave. let california become the ruin of the nation, (its well on its way) A warning to all other states of what not to do.
So, they want to reverse federal tax cuts, but keep the money in the state.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
The latest in Big greedy California government--Quote from: "Wazzzup"California would seize the savings via a proposed "tax surcharge" on any tax reform benefits, The San Francisco Chronicle reports:
"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment ...would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."
I would love to see these businesses leave. let california become the ruin of the nation, (its well on its way) A warning to all other states of what not to do.
Businesses that can should leave California.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 03:39:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 03:39:40 PM
The latest in Big greedy California government--Quote from: "Wazzzup"California would seize the savings via a proposed "tax surcharge" on any tax reform benefits, The San Francisco Chronicle reports:
"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment ...would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."
I would love to see these businesses leave. let california become the ruin of the nation, (its well on its way) A warning to all other states of what not to do.
California's economy is bigger than Canada's. If it fails, it will have severe repercussions for the entire nation.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 06:22:39 PM
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 06:22:39 PM
It's the biggest shithole state ever.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 06:35:03 PM
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 06:35:03 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
I hope that California is burned down in wildfires, then frozen by arctic blasts, and the remaining Califormoronias fight in the street with garden spades to the death.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
It's the biggest shithole state ever.
Any state that declares itself a sanctuary state can't be anything else.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
Not for Victoria but perhaps odd for South Australia (Australia's own shithole State).Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I fail to see the relevance to my comment.But then, that is not unusual as far as you are concerned.
So, how's that yank and his kid who were bashed in the park after the tennis by "persons of African appearance"??
Ah, Victoria, where diversity is strength, and fags run the State.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 06:45:59 PM
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 06:45:59 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on January 22, 2018, 07:14:31 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on January 22, 2018, 07:14:31 PM
The latest in Big greedy California government--Quote from: "Wazzzup"California would seize the savings via a proposed "tax surcharge" on any tax reform benefits, The San Francisco Chronicle reports:
"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment ...would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."
I would love to see these businesses leave. let california become the ruin of the nation, (its well on its way) A warning to all other states of what not to do.
California's economy is bigger than Canada's. If it fails, it will have severe repercussions for the entire nation.
Well at the rate they are going its going to happen. the left has full control and they are ready to destory CA. I am hoping that businesses will desert the state and come elsewhere before going bankrupt.
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BTW this is the latest move for Mexifornia
But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver's license will be automatically entitled to vote.
In other words California wants illegals voting and as much voter fraud as possible.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
The latest in Big greedy California government--Quote from: "Wazzzup"California would seize the savings via a proposed "tax surcharge" on any tax reform benefits, The San Francisco Chronicle reports:
"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment ...would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."
I would love to see these businesses leave. let california become the ruin of the nation, (its well on its way) A warning to all other states of what not to do.
California's economy is bigger than Canada's. If it fails, it will have severe repercussions for the entire nation.
Well at the rate they are going its going to happen. the left has full control and they are ready to destory CA. I am hoping that businesses will desert the state and come elsewhere before going bankrupt.
----
BTW this is the latest move for Mexifornia
But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver's license will be automatically entitled to vote.
In other words California wants illegals voting and as much voter fraud as possible.
How can they do that? Voting is for citizens only.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 07:47:43 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 07:47:43 PM
Don't know anything about the crappy tennis, the yank, or the jungle monkeys and I don't care. Vic is a big and vibrant state where everything happens good and bad, unlike the shithole, SA where nothing happens.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
You seem remarkably ignorant of the current affairs in your chosen State.
Perhaps, before making comment, you should do a little research.
Last I checked, waiting for a tram in Adelaide did not require you standing in a concrete bunker.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 07:58:45 PM
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 07:58:45 PM
Don't know anything about the crappy tennis, the yank, or the jungle monkeys and I don't care. Vic is a big and vibrant state where everything happens good and bad, unlike the shithole, SA where nothing happens.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
You seem remarkably ignorant of the current affairs in your chosen State.
Perhaps, before making comment, you should do a little research.
Last I checked, waiting for a tram in Adelaide did not require you standing in a concrete bunker.
Just accept that your crappy little do nothing shithole State lacks the infrastructure and population to ever matter to the rest of the country and it's boring, inbred, and full of California like pompous douchebags.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 08:16:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 08:16:44 PM
On the other hand, I'd rather be here than in a violent, ill-governed, overcrowded, overvalued crime centre like Melbourne.
The alps and GOR are nice though. I've done the GOR on a motorcycle with my daughter. It was a great run.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 08:24:23 PM
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 08:24:23 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 08:28:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 08:28:55 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 08:54:38 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 08:54:38 PM
Its capital, Perth, is the most remote capital city on the planet. No capital city is further from an adjacent capital than Perth. Its a 3 1/2 flight from Adelaide, the closest city. Its a fine place, though. Its also heavily reliant on mining for its revenue, which means that the fluctuations in demand for minerals has a major effect on its economy. A lot of millionaires come from Perth, but few survive bankruptcy eventually.
Queensland is mainly subtropical. Gets humid, and also gets cyclones. For many years it was governed by one of the most corrupt governments in any western democracy. Its a nice place, in general. Brisbane is the capital, and its a bit of a jumble. The rural sector is currently suffering a severe drought, while the rest of the country has plenty of water.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
WA is very remote.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Its capital, Perth, is the most remote capital city on the planet. No capital city is further from an adjacent capital than Perth. Its a 3 1/2 flight from Adelaide, the closest city. Its a fine place, though. Its also heavily reliant on mining for its revenue, which means that the fluctuations in demand for minerals has a major effect on its economy. A lot of millionaires come from Perth, but few survive bankruptcy eventually.
Queensland is mainly subtropical. Gets humid, and also gets cyclones. For many years it was governed by one of the most corrupt governments in any western democracy. Its a nice place, in general. Brisbane is the capital, and its a bit of a jumble. The rural sector is currently suffering a severe drought, while the rest of the country has plenty of water.
Perth is supposedly a sister city of Calgary..
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
WA is very remote.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Its capital, Perth, is the most remote capital city on the planet. No capital city is further from an adjacent capital than Perth. Its a 3 1/2 flight from Adelaide, the closest city. Its a fine place, though. Its also heavily reliant on mining for its revenue, which means that the fluctuations in demand for minerals has a major effect on its economy. A lot of millionaires come from Perth, but few survive bankruptcy eventually.
Queensland is mainly subtropical. Gets humid, and also gets cyclones. For many years it was governed by one of the most corrupt governments in any western democracy. Its a nice place, in general. Brisbane is the capital, and its a bit of a jumble. The rural sector is currently suffering a severe drought, while the rest of the country has plenty of water.
I liked Queensland when I lived there. Lots of bogans.
You must mean Joh Bjelke Petersen. He was gone when I was there, but I heard some good stories about him.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 11:20:10 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 22, 2018, 11:20:10 PM
It was in every sense a criminal organisation.
Oddly, a former Premier of Western Australia was also gaoled for corruption.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
Yep. Chairman Joh. He organised the biggest gerrymander in Australian history (causing new electoral laws to be introduced to avoid it ever happening again). His opponents could rarely get more than 20% of the vote. His Department heads were hand picked crooks, including the infamous Commissioner of Police, Fitzgerald and his Ministers were all on the take.Quote from: "Bricktop"
It was in every sense a criminal organisation.
Oddly, a former Premier of Western Australia was also gaoled for corruption.
His legend lives on.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 11:54:19 PM
Post by: Frood on January 22, 2018, 11:54:19 PM
WA is very remote.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Its capital, Perth, is the most remote capital city on the planet. No capital city is further from an adjacent capital than Perth. Its a 3 1/2 flight from Adelaide, the closest city. Its a fine place, though. Its also heavily reliant on mining for its revenue, which means that the fluctuations in demand for minerals has a major effect on its economy. A lot of millionaires come from Perth, but few survive bankruptcy eventually.
Queensland is mainly subtropical. Gets humid, and also gets cyclones. For many years it was governed by one of the most corrupt governments in any western democracy. Its a nice place, in general. Brisbane is the capital, and its a bit of a jumble. The rural sector is currently suffering a severe drought, while the rest of the country has plenty of water.
I liked Queensland when I lived there. Lots of bogans.
You must mean Joh Bjelke Petersen. He was gone when I was there, but I heard some good stories about him.
Qld is our bogan manufacturing region. Finest quality guaranteed.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 11:57:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2018, 11:57:10 PM
WA is very remote.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Its capital, Perth, is the most remote capital city on the planet. No capital city is further from an adjacent capital than Perth. Its a 3 1/2 flight from Adelaide, the closest city. Its a fine place, though. Its also heavily reliant on mining for its revenue, which means that the fluctuations in demand for minerals has a major effect on its economy. A lot of millionaires come from Perth, but few survive bankruptcy eventually.
Queensland is mainly subtropical. Gets humid, and also gets cyclones. For many years it was governed by one of the most corrupt governments in any western democracy. Its a nice place, in general. Brisbane is the capital, and its a bit of a jumble. The rural sector is currently suffering a severe drought, while the rest of the country has plenty of water.
I liked Queensland when I lived there. Lots of bogans.
You must mean Joh Bjelke Petersen. He was gone when I was there, but I heard some good stories about him.
Qld is our bogan manufacturing region. Finest quality guaranteed.
I met some salt of the earth people there.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 12:00:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 12:00:14 AM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 12:05:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 12:05:56 AM
What does bogan mean?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Me. I am a bogan and proud of it.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Bricktop on January 23, 2018, 01:52:49 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 23, 2018, 01:52:49 AM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 08:59:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 08:59:01 AM
Bogan...a chav, or a poorly educated, impoverished, unrefined young adult. They wear checkered flanellette, have no teeth and think drinking a carton of beer is what they were put on the Earth for.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Oh I see..
It doesn't sound like someone like Herman who has worked all over the world in the oil and gas industry.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
Bogan...a chav, or a poorly educated, impoverished, unrefined young adult. They wear checkered flanellette, have no teeth and think drinking a carton of beer is what they were put on the Earth for.Quote from: "Bricktop"
There are degrees of it, but those are the characteristics of bogans.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Frood on January 24, 2018, 04:49:27 AM
Post by: Frood on January 24, 2018, 04:49:27 AM
Bogan...a chav, or a poorly educated, impoverished, unrefined young adult. They wear checkered flanellette, have no teeth and think drinking a carton of beer is what they were put on the Earth for.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Oh I see..
It doesn't sound like someone like Herman who has worked all over the world in the oil and gas industry.
Bogans can be middle class, or even upper middle class. Lots of Bogans in the mineral and oil resources sectors.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2018, 09:00:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2018, 09:00:48 AM
Bogan...a chav, or a poorly educated, impoverished, unrefined young adult. They wear checkered flanellette, have no teeth and think drinking a carton of beer is what they were put on the Earth for.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Oh I see..
It doesn't sound like someone like Herman who has worked all over the world in the oil and gas industry.
Bogans can be middle class, or even upper middle class. Lots of Bogans in the mineral and oil resources sectors.
Okay, it's a broad term.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on January 29, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on January 29, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2018, 08:04:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2018, 08:04:28 PM
States with a large imigrant population should be free to leave the union but America must finance them to atone for all the suffering the USA has caused these oppressed peoples.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
Why not, Canadian taxpayers are funding shithole regimes all over the world. Why can't Americans experience the same generosity.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on January 29, 2018, 09:35:20 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on January 29, 2018, 09:35:20 PM
States with a large imigrant population should be free to leave the union but America must finance them to atone for all the suffering the USA has caused these oppressed peoples.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
I get that natives in Canada and Blacks in the US were treated poorly in the past.
But how did Hispanics in America, or worse Muslims ANYWHERE get on the oppressed list? What a crock.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2018, 09:43:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2018, 09:43:28 PM
States with a large imigrant population should be free to leave the union but America must finance them to atone for all the suffering the USA has caused these oppressed peoples.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
I get that natives in Canada and Blacks in the US were treated poorly in the past.
But how did Hispanics in America, or worse Muslims ANYWHERE get on the oppressed list? What a crock.
Why is there an oppressed list period. Human rights did not exist in the past. Get the hell over it people.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on January 29, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on January 29, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
States with a large imigrant population should be free to leave the union but America must finance them to atone for all the suffering the USA has caused these oppressed peoples.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
I get that natives in Canada and Blacks in the US were treated poorly in the past.
But how did Hispanics in America, or worse Muslims ANYWHERE get on the oppressed list? What a crock.
Why is there an oppressed list period. Human rights did not exist in the past. Get the hell over it people.
Oh I agree. the things that were done in the past were done to people who are gone and done by people who are gone. So they are no longer relevant. I just mean i can understand why blacks and natives are on an oppressed list (even though there shouldn't be any list) but how did Muslims and Hispanics get there?
Seems like the left wants to make the list all non whites, except Asians. They do too well.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2018, 12:07:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2018, 12:07:28 AM
States with a large imigrant population should be free to leave the union but America must finance them to atone for all the suffering the USA has caused these oppressed peoples.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
I get that natives in Canada and Blacks in the US were treated poorly in the past.
But how did Hispanics in America, or worse Muslims ANYWHERE get on the oppressed list? What a crock.
Why is there an oppressed list period. Human rights did not exist in the past. Get the hell over it people.
Oh I agree. the things that were done in the past were done to people who are gone and done by people who are gone. So they are no longer relevant. I just mean i can understand why blacks and natives are on an oppressed list (even though there shouldn't be any list) but how did Muslims and Hispanics get there?
Seems like the left wants to make the list all non whites, except Asians. They do too well.
Muslims come to Canada, they get protected status that no other religion or ideology gets, which will soon be law and they are oppressed? Give me a fucking break. Muslims are spoiled rotten.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
California's 168-year run as a single entity, hugging the continent's edge for hundreds of miles and sprawling east across mountains and desert, could come to an end next year — as a controversial plan to split the Golden State into three new jurisdictions qualified Tuesday for the Nov. 6 ballot.
If a majority of voters who cast ballots agree, a long and contentious process would begin for three separate states to take the place of California, with one primarily centered around Los Angeles and the other two divvying up the counties to the north and south. Completion of the radical plan — far from certain, given its many hurdles at judicial, state and federal levels — would make history.
It would be the first division of an existing U.S. state since the creation of West Virginia in 1863.
Northern California would consist of 40 counties stretching from Oregon south to Santa Cruz County, then east to Merced and Mariposa counties. Southern California would begin with Madera County in the Central Valley and then wind its way along the existing state's eastern and southern spine, comprising 12 counties and ultimately curving up the Pacific coast to grab San Diego and Orange counties.
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Under the longshot proposal, Los Angeles County would anchor the six counties that retained the name California, a state that would extend northward along the coast to Monterey County. Draper's campaign website argues the three states would have reasonably similar household incomes and enough industries to produce their own viable economies.
A publicized effort by activists to have California secede from the United States, branded the 'Calexit' proposal, continues to be bandied about for the ballot in 2020.
Nothing about Draper's historic demarcation of democracy would be easy. Were voters to approve his ballot measure, the effort would need the blessing of both houses of the California Legislature — lawmakers who, in a sense, would be asked to abandon their posts. Draper's proposal says the initiative, acting under California's constitutional power of voters to write their own laws, would serve as legislative consent. It is almost certain that interpretation would end up in court.
From there, the plan would need congressional approval. Here, too, politics would presumably play a major role.
Where California now has two seats in the 100-person U.S. Senate, the three states would have six seats in a 104-member chamber. That would dilute the power of other states and increase the power of what used to be a single state if its six senators banded together on various issues.
Presidential politics also could doom the proposal once it reached Washington. Vikram Amar, a law professor who has written extensively about Draper's plans, pointed out last fall that the shift in California's votes in the Electoral College — which have been awarded for a quarter-century to Democratic nominees — would be split between three states. And one of those states, based on past election results, could be won by a Republican.
Amar wrote that Democrats would be "very reluctant to run the risk" of supporting the proposal in Congress. "And risk aversion looms large in these matters, which helps explain why no new states have been added to the United States in over 50 years, and no new state has been created out of an existing state for more than 150 years," he wrote.
There also is a sizable debate about whether such a sweeping change can be created through a ballot initiative — that is, whether it rises to the level of a "revision" of the California Constitution, which can only be instigated by the Legislature or by a formal constitutional convention. Revisions, Amar wrote in 2017, are generally seen by the courts as the most substantial kinds of changes to a government.
"What is of greater importance to a state than its geographic boundaries?" Amar wrote. "As the national debate about a wall along the Mexican border rages, we are reminded that even in a digital age, physical space and physical lines matter immensely to the course of peoples' lives, and the legal regimes under which they live."
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A nascent opposition campaign already is sounding the more practical alarms about splitting California into three states. It could easily be bankrolled by some of the state's most powerful forces, especially those aligned with Democratic leaders.
"This measure would cost taxpayers billions of dollars to pay for the massive transactional costs of breaking up the state, whether it be universities, parks or retirement systems," said Steven Maviglio, a Democratic political strategist representing opponents to the effort. "California government can do a better job addressing the real issues facing the state, but this measure is a massive distraction that will cause political chaos and greater inequality."
Critics have long wondered how citizens of a state where the majority of water supplies exist in one region would react if negotiations over new interstate compacts to share the resource turned contentious. College students who live in cities like Fresno may balk at being charged out-of-state tuition at UCLA. A San Diego company with an office in San Francisco could find itself facing two corporate tax structures and workplace regulations that a northern state might impose differently than one in the south.
Draper's fascination with splitting California into separate states has been his only real foray into state politics, though he served briefly on the state Board of Education for one year in 1998. The 60-year-old entrepreneur, who is registered as an unaffiliated voter, often is identified as an early adopter of "viral marketing" in the 1990s and was an early investor in technology companies like Skype and Hotmail. Recently, Draper has been an outspoken advocate for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.
At an Amsterdam technology conference in April, the investor's praise of Bitcoin included some of the same messages he's used in support of splitting California into multiple pieces — namely, that residents will be free to move to whichever version of the state they think is governed best.
"The governments will have to compete for us now," Draper told the crowd. "Because if we don't like one, we can now bust out."
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Rose on June 14, 2018, 01:32:12 AM
Post by: Rose on June 14, 2018, 01:32:12 AM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2018, 10:15:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2018, 10:15:56 AM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: JOE on June 14, 2018, 11:16:25 AM
Post by: JOE on June 14, 2018, 11:16:25 AM
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2018, 03:49:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2018, 03:49:20 PM
Another image of the 3 state proposalQuote from: "JOE"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Picture1-1-e1524170424827.png%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/upl%20...%20424827.png%22%3Ehttp://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Picture1-1-e1524170424827.png%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Even with hurricanes, I'd take Florida over any part of California.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: cc on June 15, 2018, 12:54:28 AM
Post by: cc on June 15, 2018, 12:54:28 AM
CA Attorney: California Is 'Like a Drunk, It Has to Hit Rock-Bottom' Before Things Change
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2018, 12:47:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2018, 12:47:36 PM
Not on this topic, but Cali oriented and referencing the rot / spending out vs in / debt etc.Quote from: "cc"
CA Attorney: California Is 'Like a Drunk, It Has to Hit Rock-Bottom' Before Things Change
Ontario was on that same road to ruin before they elected Doug Ford.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on June 15, 2018, 02:23:43 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on June 15, 2018, 02:23:43 PM
I hope California can come it its senses one day but I doubt it.
Analogously Venezuela will never get a conservative candidate to run, they will keep trying to elect different socialists/communists who will finally make socialism communism work, but it never will. California will do the same.
Demographics is destiny, in twenty years or so America will most likely be a third world country.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2018, 02:46:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2018, 02:46:44 PM
I'd like to see it split. But the proposal is polling at only 17% right now, so its unlikely to pass.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
I hope California can come it its senses one day but I doubt it.
Analogously Venezuela will never get a conservative candidate to run, they will keep trying to elect different socialists/communists who will finally make socialism communism work, but it never will. California will do the same.
Demographics is destiny, in twenty years or so America will most likely be a third world country.:sad:
Just about all Western countries are destined for third world status. Trump has been putting up the good fight to reverse course on all the things that make average Americans poor; mass illegal immigration, carbon levy pick pocketing, one sided trade deals, and stifling regulations. But, the dementocraps and chamber of commerce Republicunts will stall until they regain control of the white house and then it's lights out for the American dream.
Don't get me wong, there will still be a hell of a lot of wealth in the US, but it will be like some places in the Middle East. All concentrated in a few select hands and liberty will be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Angry White Male on June 15, 2018, 09:12:27 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on June 15, 2018, 09:12:27 PM
Demographics is destiny, in twenty years or so America will most likely be a third world country.Quote from: "Wazzzup":sad:
Parts of it will be. Well, parts of it are already, and those parts will just grow larger.
Whites will generally move away from these places when that happens, and find nicer places to live amongst their own people. Detroit is a classic example of that happening when the auto industry declined there... Many Whites eventually just got the fuck out, as they could see what would eventually happen.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
Demographics is destiny, in twenty years or so America will most likely be a third world country.Quote from: "Wazzzup":sad:
Parts of it will be. Well, parts of it are already, and those parts will just grow larger.
Whites will generally move away from these places when that happens, and find nicer places to live amongst their own people. Detroit is a classic example of that happening when the auto industry declined there... Many Whites eventually just got the fuck out, as they could see what would eventually happen.
Idaho is a preferred destination of white Americans.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2018, 02:00:34 PM
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2018, 02:00:34 PM
Not on this topic, but Cali oriented and referencing the rot / spending out vs in / debt etc.Quote from: "cc"
CA Attorney: California Is 'Like a Drunk, It Has to Hit Rock-Bottom' Before Things Change
Its a sign that California may have become too large and unwieldy to remain as 1 state.
Their economy is as large as France.
Their population at 40 million is approaching that of a respectably sized Eiropean nation.
And yet the political infrastructure needed to maintsin is Is insufficient
Theyre probably headed for a split at some point.
And yet what it may yield are 2, possibly 3 blue states for the democrats.
And 4 additional senators for them as well.
I dont know if the Republican party would want That.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on June 16, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on June 16, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
That's actually a good point. I may have to rethink this now.
And 4 additional senators for them as well.
I dont know if the Republican party would want That.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2018, 08:32:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2018, 08:32:34 PM
And 4 additional senators for them as well.
I dont know if the Republican party would want That.
Split Texas.
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Wazzzup on June 16, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on June 16, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
And 4 additional senators for them as well.
I dont know if the Republican party would want That.
Split Texas.
:laugh:
Title: Re: New California declares "independence" from rest of state
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2018, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2018, 01:17:57 PM
And 4 additional senators for them as well.
I dont know if the Republican party would want That.
Split Texas.
:laugh: :laugh: two more texas red state senators:thumbup:
Mississippi, Tennessee and North Dakota too.