It seems road salt is not cheaper in the long run.
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This winter, Calgary has expanded its use of beet juice as a de-icing alternative to road salt. While slightly more expensive than salt, the mixture is more efficient, less toxic and less corrosive.
Nevertheless, despite a galaxy of relatively benign de-icing agents such as beet juice, this year cities across Canada will stubbornly continue to coat their roads with literal mountains of salt. Although salt remains the single cheapest way to keep snow and ice at bay, the economics make much less sense when considering the awesome scale of the damage wrought every year by the salt truck.
Below is a repost of an article that first ran in January, 2017. Since it was originally published, road salt has dissolved hundreds of kilograms of automotive steel, chapped untold numbers of dog's paws and done at least $5 billion damage to Canadian infrastructure.
It's doing billions of dollars in damage to cars
In 2015, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration pegged salt corrosion as the culprit in thousands of vehicle brake failures. That same year, Transport Canada issued a recall of 3,000 BMWs and Minis that had been parked at the Port of Halifax during the 2015 ice storm. But it wasn't the ice that caused the recall; salt de-icing had damaged the vehicles so badly that they couldn't steer properly. Way back in 1975, Transport Canada estimated that de-icing salts were causing $200 in damage per car, per year — the equivalent of $854 in 2017. Corrosion-resistant coatings have improved in the interim, but even when one-quarter that amount is applied to the roughly 14 million registered vehicles in Ontario and Quebec, the result is an extra $3 billion in vehicle depreciation each year.
t's ravaging our bridges and highways
Crews are already at work on a $4.2-billion replacement for Montreal's Champlain Bridge. The original, built in 1962, was brought to the edge of collapse in only 50 years because of salt corrosion. Salt brine seeping into concrete dramatically speeds up the corrosion of rebar within — and is heavily responsible for the poor state of bridges and highway overpasses across central Canada. Salt was a key contributor to the deadly 2006 collapse of the De La Concorde bridge in Laval, killing six people. The heavy salt diet on Toronto's Gardiner Expressway is also one of the main reasons the elevated highway is often raining chunks of concrete; as rebar corrodes, the concrete around it crumbles. Tellingly, a series of 1930s-era stone carvings around Toronto's Air Canada Centre have been permanently ruined by salty runoff from the nearby expressway.
It's not just roads
After the Algo Centre Mall in Ontario's Elliot Lake collapsed in 2012, killing two people, forensic analysts said the building's steel supports looked like they had spent decades marinating in sea water. There were structural problems, to be sure, but the building was also hammered by 30 years of salty runoff from a rooftop parking garage. Road salt was also a contributing factor to lead contamination of drinking water in Flint, Mich. Water from the Flint River — made extra salty by road salt runoff — was eating into old pipes, dosing the population with lead. In 2011, well before the Flint disaster, Michigan's Mackinac Center for Public Policy pegged the total damage done by road salt as high as $687 CDN per tonne. In Minnesota, damage estimates ranged between $1000 CDN and $5000 CDN per tonne. Canada uses at least seven million tonnes of salt per year, according to 2009 estimates by Environment Canada. Using the Mackinac Center estimate, that's $4.8 billion in damage per year — $1 billion more than the $3.6 billion damage caused by the Fort McMurray wildfire.
There's a bunch of small, annoying problems, too
Dalhousie University estimated that it costs it an extra $15,000 in cleaning and maintenance each year just to repair all the damage salt does to floors and baseboards — with similar costs presumably accruing to most of Canada's other universities, museums and public buildings. Salt severely corrodes leather, reducing the lifespan of Canadian shoes and requiring extra cleaning. And wading through salt is brutal on dogs' paws: Every winter brings a new wave of chapped paw cases to Canadian vets.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/how-canada%E2%80%99s-addiction-to-road-salt-is-ruining-everything/ar-AAv1Iuo?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout
It amazes me when I visit the UK how fast their cars deteriorate. My Honda S2000 is 19 years old and looks as it did the day it was bought. In the UK, even 5 year old cars look aged. Apparently this is all down to the salt put on icy roads. Our climate is much more benign to cars than the Northern Hemisphere, it seems.
The only issue is the sun will kill your paint and interior if you don't use suncreens and wax once a year if you don't store in a garage.
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It amazes me when I visit the UK how fast their cars deteriorate. My Honda S2000 is 19 years old and looks as it did the day it was bought. In the UK, even 5 year old cars look aged. Apparently this is all down to the salt put on icy roads. Our climate is much more benign to cars than the Northern Hemisphere, it seems.
The only issue is the sun will kill your paint and interior if you don't use suncreens and wax once a year if you don't store in a garage.
Everyone knows road salt rusts cars, but I didn't know how harmful it is to bridges and so on.
The salt is dissipated all over the place. Road signs, road markings, fences...its a corrosive substance.
Salt is corrosive. Don't dump so much of it on our roads in the winter.
The salting of the roads stopped in lapland because there is no use doing it..
The roads are gonna freeze anyway and the salt attracts reindeers..
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The salting of the roads stopped in lapland because there is no use doing it..
The roads are gonna freeze anyway and the salt attracts reindeers..
It's the same in Canada with large mammals.
Large mammals? Pshaw...
Its a sobering moment when you negotiate a bend only to see one of THESE bad boys standing in the middle of the road.

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You're both about to have a bad day.
The Northern tip of my province has wood bison.

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I work a steady run to Kenora, Ontario and back. Ontario uses a lot of salt on their highways.
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The Northern tip of my province has wood bison.

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Pretty much the same...water buffalo...
"They range in weight from 300–550 kg (660–1,210 lb), but weights of over 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) have also been observed."
Were they introduced from South East Asia.
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It amazes me when I visit the UK how fast their cars deteriorate. My Honda S2000 is 19 years old and looks as it did the day it was bought. In the UK, even 5 year old cars look aged. Apparently this is all down to the salt put on icy roads. Our climate is much more benign to cars than the Northern Hemisphere, it seems.
The only issue is the sun will kill your paint and interior if you don't use suncreens and wax once a year if you don't store in a garage.
True enough. Benign is not hemisphere, its latitude .... . we enjoyed the same relief in Florida and Cali and Fils when lived there ... but does need sun protection as you mentioned
Sun will eat good leather if not protected and covered
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Were they introduced from South East Asia.
Yes, Indonesia.
But they have actually "evolved" slightly with stock from other countries, so they are slightly distinct from other varieties in subtle and unimportant ways.
In the 80's they were everywhere in the tropical north and had to be culled. Now they are back to their highest ever population, around 150,000. One of the few animals in Australia permitted to be hunted for sport.
I hate the road salt!
I try to spray off under my Jeep the best I can after a few days, but this liquid stuff they using gets everywhere.
It also makes it harder to see out of your windows when it gets all over it.
I was just wondering last week, what were the environmental repercussions from this stuff, the runoff. Didnt think about the pipes and stuff.
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I hate the road salt!
I try to spray off under my Jeep the best I can after a few days, but this liquid stuff they using gets everywhere.
It also makes it harder to see out of your windows when it gets all over it.
I was just wondering last week, what were the environmental repercussions from this stuff, the runoff. Didnt think about the pipes and stuff.
We used to use mostly sand and gravel in Southern Alberta, but now we use more salt.
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No salt on our roads.
Just roos.

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Count yourself lucky you don't have salt wrecking your vehicles.
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No salt on our roads.
Just roos.

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I imagine that would have a lot of poisonous snakes.
You're lucky if salt is all they spread. I'm certain they spray Magnesium Chloride on the roads here, and if you want corrosive, this shit is the actual worst... It will actually corrode stainless steel with relative ease, as well as aluminum, steel, and even rubber...
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Count yourself lucky you don't have salt wrecking your vehicles.
Hitting a roo doesn't do them a lot of good.
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Count yourself lucky you don't have salt wrecking your vehicles.
Hitting a roo doesn't do them a lot of good.
People living in rural parts of my province will probably hit a deer in their lifetimes..
If you want to look at the bright side, it's better than hitting a moose.
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You're lucky if salt is all they spread. I'm certain they spray Magnesium Chloride on the roads here, and if you want corrosive, this shit is the actual worst... It will actually corrode stainless steel with relative ease, as well as aluminum, steel, and even rubber...
I believe thats the "spray" they are using here now over the last several years, use to be salt. Shit gets into everything.
Calcium chloride and magnesium chloride are used here when it's really cold.
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Calcium chloride and magnesium chloride are used here when it's really cold.
I just looked up calcium chloride....it has a lot of uses other than de-icing roads.
They were planning to do a series of "Ice Road Truckers" here in Australia.

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They got tired of waiting.
I hate that show..
Everything is blown out of proportion.. American style..
Its really dangerous to drive a truck..
Your truck might get abducted by aliens if you are not careful.
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I hate that show..
Everything is blown out of proportion.. American style..
Its really dangerous to drive a truck..
Your truck might get abducted by aliens if you are not careful.
No more so than driving a two mile long train carrying enough dangerous goods for a few Hiroshimas.
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I believe thats the "spray" they are using here now over the last several years, use to be salt. Shit gets into everything.
It's just brutal shit. It works well to keep roads de-iced, but it corrodes everything much worse than regular rock salt.
I notice that shit will even eat my wiper blades enough in one winter season, that they'll start streaking. Never had that problem when they just used normal salt!
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No more so than driving a two mile long train carrying enough dangerous goods for a few Hiroshimas.
I just watched a good Asian movie called Train to Busan. Was crazy, zombies started, one wound up on the train and went from there.
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No more so than driving a two mile long train carrying enough dangerous goods for a few Hiroshimas.
I just watched a good Asian movie called Train to Busan. Was crazy, zombies started, one wound up on the train and went from there.
It's a Korean movie.
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I believe thats the "spray" they are using here now over the last several years, use to be salt. Shit gets into everything.
It's just brutal shit. It works well to keep roads de-iced, but it corrodes everything much worse than regular rock salt.
I notice that shit will even eat my wiper blades enough in one winter season, that they'll start streaking. Never had that problem when they just used normal salt!
Hell I just thought the wipers werent worth a fuck anymore lol. You're right! Cause I use to be able to make it a couple years at least. After winter need a new set every year now.
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No more so than driving a two mile long train carrying enough dangerous goods for a few Hiroshimas.
I just watched a good Asian movie called Train to Busan. Was crazy, zombies started, one wound up on the train and went from there.
It's a Korean movie.
Thanks for the clarification lol, you seen it? Reminded me of World War Z but Korean and on a train lol. Wasnt a bad flick, sad ending though.
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Hell I just thought the wipers werent worth a fuck anymore lol. You're right! Cause I use to be able to make it a couple years at least. After winter need a new set every year now.
My wipers deteriorating much more rapidly than they ever had in the past, led me to wanting to know why this is. Then I study what they're actually spraying now... And Magnesium Chloride is bad shit for corrosion, is what I'd found. Calcium Chloride isn't as bad, but isn't much better than rock salt either, for actual anti-icing purposes.
Then I asked a mechanic I deal with at a shop, and he also says he's never seen mufflers rot as quickly as they now do, since they've started spraying this shit. He said aluminized was always good enough in the past, but for this shit? He says get Stainless Steel, if you can afford the price difference...
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Quote from: "Odinson"
I hate that show..
Everything is blown out of proportion.. American style..
Its really dangerous to drive a truck..
Your truck might get abducted by aliens if you are not careful.
No more so than driving a two mile long train carrying enough dangerous goods for a few Hiroshimas.
I see the engineer in Lac Megantic was acquitted of the serious charges, but still faces charges for not following Transport Canada safety rules.
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I see the engineer in Lac Megantic was acquitted of the serious charges, but still faces charges for not following Transport Canada safety rules.
I'm guessing not guilty of criminal negligence due to this: The mens rea can be proven with evidence of the accused subjective state of mind or by showing that the prohibited conduct "constituted a marked and substantial departure from the conduct of a reasonably prudent person".
But ya, could still have legal issues related to Railway Safety Act, which I'm not too familiar with.