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Title: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 10:56:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
I saw that Seoul..



I wonder what Amazon does with all that information about our purchasing habits.

 ac_umm
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2018, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc

Courtesy of the likes of Nothead and Wynn.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2018, 12:02:00 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "seoulbro"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc

Courtesy of the likes of Nothead and Wynn.

It would probably happen eventually even without a change in minimum wage..



But, big increases so quickly obviously speed it up..



And as an ex waitress, it will have an adverse affect on the tipping culture...servers end up with less money.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Angry White Male on January 24, 2018, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"I wonder what Amazon does with all that information about our purchasing habits.  ac_umm


No different then what stores would already do, if you use their points/discount card...
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2018, 12:16:36 AM
Ontario's minimum wage hike off to rocky start as employers slash hours, benefits to compensate

The Conference Board of Canada believes countermeasures implemented by businesses could result in the loss of 42,000 jobs by the end of next year



The Conference Board of Canada, a nonpartisan economic research institute, had initially estimated that the change would shift about $5 billion into the pockets of workers and away from business profits.



Now it believes countermeasures implemented by businesses could result in the loss of 42,000 jobs by the end of next year, said Michael Burt, director of the industrial trends group at the Conference Board.

http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/corrected-minimum-wage-hike-has-rocky-start-in-canadas-ontario-province



It is off to a great start. :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Angry White Male on January 24, 2018, 12:18:23 AM
I'll be honest...  Historically, minimum wage increases have always led to the "doom and gloom" predictions, which just never seem to materialize.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Bricktop on January 24, 2018, 12:40:58 AM
More jobs on the scrap heap.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2018, 01:04:33 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"More jobs on the scrap heap.

Yes, but unskilled service jobs in the hospitality industry were on their way out anyway.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Angry White Male on January 24, 2018, 01:26:07 AM
Remember, some ideas don't catch on either, for a VAST variety of reasons...



Target Canada is a good example of failed implementation, even though I personally preferred it over Wal Mart, which I typically avoid like the plague.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2018, 01:51:08 AM
Most servers do not want a higher minimum wage..



They are worried it will change the tipping culture which means less take home pay.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Angry White Male on January 24, 2018, 01:53:30 AM
It doesn't really work that way...  Not in Canada.



We are still programmed to tip, and even if the price of meal is raised by $1 (to cover minimum wage increase), we may even tip more, since most tip on percentage of total bill.



I cannot speak for everyone, but I can speak about how I personally pay for my meals...
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Angry White Male on January 24, 2018, 02:02:23 AM
I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Angry White Male on January 24, 2018, 02:18:51 AM
My first "real" job was delivering pizzas, when I was 16, just after I dropped out of school.  I had delivered flyers before that, but that wasn't a 'real' job.



At that time, there was a claim that high minimum wage, and high unemployment, was fucking everything up.



I was 16.  I got that job without even a resume.  On the spot.  And my employers were fair, and actually fun to work for.  I did not mind that job at all.



And this was in some sort of 'crisis' we were having?  Bullshit.  All bullshit.



And so what if the min wage went up?  People still wanted their substandard pizza's delivered!  That will not change!



So, save me the bullshit, about how increasing a wage will cause catastrophe...  It simply doesn't.



I know!  Not because I was brainwashed in Econ 101, but because I live and worked in this environment!
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Zetsu on January 24, 2018, 06:10:07 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2018, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure

Trudeau or Kathleen Wynn?



I thought the federal minimum wage only applied to a few jobs?
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Zetsu on January 24, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure

Trudeau or Kathleen Wynn?



I thought the federal minimum wage only applied to a few jobs?


Hmm not too sure, lol, I can only confirm is it's a only provincial in Ontario to pay everyone at least $15 an hr by 2019.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2018, 01:55:28 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure

Trudeau or Kathleen Wynn?



I thought the federal minimum wage only applied to a few jobs?


Hmm not too sure, lol, I can only confirm is it's a only provincial in Ontario to pay everyone at least $15 an hr by 2019.

Alberta will be the first province with a minimum wage of fifteen dollars per hour later this year.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Frood on January 25, 2018, 03:13:48 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure


Keynesian Economics and the people like AWM who worship it.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2018, 09:10:30 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure


Keynesian Economics and the people like AWM who worship it.

And for servers it means less money in their pockets..



I read Albertans are spending less money in restaurants and tipping less..



Raising minimum wage actually lowers their wages.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2018, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure

Trudeau or Kathleen Wynn?



I thought the federal minimum wage only applied to a few jobs?


Hmm not too sure, lol, I can only confirm is it's a only provincial in Ontario to pay everyone at least $15 an hr by 2019.

Did you see  Patrick Brown resigned as leader of the Ontario PC party? This close to an election. This election should be a gimme for the Tories, but once again they will probably snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Zetsu on January 25, 2018, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'm a business owner, Fash.  I also require a rate increase, from time to time, since my costs are NOT going down.



The workers at the bottom are just as deserving of a minor increase, that the rest of us want, and push hard for.



If your fucking business model will go broke by paying $11/hour instead of $10/hour?  Then you shouldn't be in business in the first place...


But this time Trudeau pass the legislation to increase min wage from 11 an hour to $15 an hour by 2019.  Instead of just trying to raise wages and making things more expensive, people should try to look and fix the problem why there's an inflation in the first place.  ac_unsure

Trudeau or Kathleen Wynn?



I thought the federal minimum wage only applied to a few jobs?


Hmm not too sure, lol, I can only confirm is it's a only provincial in Ontario to pay everyone at least $15 an hr by 2019.

Did you see  Patrick Brown resigned as leader of the Ontario PC party? This close to an election. This election should be a gimme for the Tories, but once again they will probably snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


I haven't been up to date with the latest news lately, but do you mean the Conservative might lose this time in the next election due to Patrick's resign?
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Angry White Male on January 26, 2018, 03:34:58 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"And for servers it means less money in their pockets..

I read Albertans are spending less money in restaurants and tipping less..

Raising minimum wage actually lowers their wages.

You can read all you want to read...  The fact is, is that wages must, and historically have, gone up over time.



If they didn't, we all could still buy a brand new Ford for $300.



Can you buy a brand new Ford for $300 USD, Fash?



You know WHY you cannot buy a brand new Ford for $300 USD, Fash?
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2018, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Fashionista"And for servers it means less money in their pockets..

I read Albertans are spending less money in restaurants and tipping less..

Raising minimum wage actually lowers their wages.

You can read all you want to read...  The fact is, is that wages must, and historically have, gone up over time.



If they didn't, we all could still buy a brand new Ford for $300.



Can you buy a brand new Ford for $300 USD, Fash?



You know WHY you cannot buy a brand new Ford for $300 USD, Fash?

How many people get forty five per cent raises over three years?



That's what the government of Alberta has forced on small businesses in Alberta..



They can't afford it, Albertans can't afford it and they are increasingly staying home.
Title: Re: Amazon debuts GO store with no high minimum wage cashiers
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2018, 12:50:17 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Fashionista"And for servers it means less money in their pockets..

I read Albertans are spending less money in restaurants and tipping less..

Raising minimum wage actually lowers their wages.

You can read all you want to read...  The fact is, is that wages must, and historically have, gone up over time.



If they didn't, we all could still buy a brand new Ford for $300.



Can you buy a brand new Ford for $300 USD, Fash?



You know WHY you cannot buy a brand new Ford for $300 USD, Fash?

How many people get forty five per cent raises over three years?



That's what the government of Alberta has forced on small businesses in Alberta..



They can't afford it, Albertans can't afford it and they are increasingly staying home.

It's not smart to rapidly raise wages for jobs that are being replaced by technology.