Title: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 02:16:19 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 02:16:19 AM
Will it live up to all the hype? Tomorrow (Friday Feb 2) they say it will be released.
We'll see.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 02, 2018, 02:31:17 AM
Post by: Frood on February 02, 2018, 02:31:17 AM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 02:31:58 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 02:31:58 AM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 02, 2018, 02:43:01 AM
Post by: Frood on February 02, 2018, 02:43:01 AM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 06:01:36 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 06:01:36 AM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 02, 2018, 06:48:11 AM
Post by: Frood on February 02, 2018, 06:48:11 AM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 09:13:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 09:13:12 AM
Its politics, but this could be big news. It's been talked about for weeks in the news media. many repubs who have seen it are saying its a bombshell, exposing massive corruption. the democrats are in full panic mode, trying to get its release stopped and trying to spin the story of whats in it before it goes public.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Will it live up to all the hype? Tomorrow (Friday Feb 2) they say it will be released.
We'll see.
I have heard something about a memo, but I don't know what it's about..
Keep us informed Wazzzup as soon as you find out what it's about.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 11:16:12 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 11:16:12 AM
Its politics, but this could be big news. It's been talked about for weeks in the news media. many repubs who have seen it are saying its a bombshell, exposing massive corruption. the democrats are in full panic mode, trying to get its release stopped and trying to spin the story of whats in it before it goes public.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Will it live up to all the hype? Tomorrow (Friday Feb 2) they say it will be released.
We'll see.
I have heard something about a memo, but I don't know what it's about..
Keep us informed Wazzzup as soon as you find out what it's about.
Will do. Although I think Dinky knows more about it than I do.
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Still not released but the scrambling by the dems and the media is hilarious, some examples
A message for democrats and other trump haters--
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 12:26:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 12:26:01 PM
I hope this memo exposes this FBI witch hunt.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
Stay on message. Stay off Twitter rants and keep touting tax cuts and the economic boom. Make it hard for the dementocrats in November.
There's been a mysterious change in Trump's demeanor — and no one knows why
President Donald Trump has been much more subdued since the "s***hole countries" news cycle.
He has delivered six speeches in the past couple of weeks without stepping on his intended message.
On Twitter, he's been much more restrained.
President Donald Trump has been relatively subdued in recent weeks — and his poll numbers have spiked.
The trend can be traced back to the passing of the news cycle about his "s***hole countries" remark from the middle of last month. In the weeks that followed, he has only posted a handful of acerbic or unnecessary tweets — virtually unprecedented for such a length of time — and delivered a series of speeches that remained on message.
It's very clear that he's cognizant of not stepping on himself and not stepping on his own news cycle'
The improved rating came on the heels of three polls published following Trump's State of the Union address. Both an Economist/YouGov poll and a Monmouth University survey found Trump's approval rating to be 44%, while a right-leaning Rasmussen poll put Trump's approval rating at 45%.
The State of the Union address itself polled well among an audience that was skewed a bit more conservative than the voting populace at large and featured Trump touting his first-year accomplishments in addition to calling for revitalizing US infrastructure and overhauling the immigration system. In addition to that speech, which saw Trump stay firmly on message, the president has delivered five speeches since mid-January that have all remained on point.
They included remarks on tax cuts and the economy at H&K Equipment outside of Pittsburgh, his speech at the March for Life, the address he delivered at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, the swearing in of Alex Azar as Health and Human Services secretary, and his Thursday speech to House and Senate Republicans at their retreat in West Virginia.
"I think he has gotten a lot better at driving a message," a former White House official told Business Insider. "He's always been extremely talented at putting a message out there, but I think he's gotten really good at letting something just stay out."
"It's very clear that he's cognizant of not stepping on himself and not stepping on his own news cycle," they added. "I think that's what we've seen recently where he's left a little bit of room for people to breathe. The State of the Union happened and I think after it, a lot of people were expecting some sort of tweet that would step on that news cycle. That didn't happen."
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: kiebers on February 02, 2018, 01:33:47 PM
Post by: kiebers on February 02, 2018, 01:33:47 PM
Gowdy has announced his departure from politics. I think the stuff in the memo tipped him over the edge.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I really hate that. I enjoyed his toughness and ass kicking. Was hoping he would run for president. That would be awesome.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 01:35:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 01:35:09 PM
Gowdy has announced his departure from politics. I think the stuff in the memo tipped him over the edge.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I really hate that. I enjoyed his toughness and ass kicking. Was hoping he would run for president. That would be awesome.
He will be missed.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
I have heard something about a memo, but I don't know what it's about..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Keep us informed Wazzzup as soon as you find out what it's about.
In a nutshell - the dossier was used to procure a warrant to surveil - even after it was clear that the document was paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
1. They knew the Dems/Hillary paid for it and didn't tell the judge in getting the warrant.
2. They had fed it to media to spread
3. Then they used the media reports with the FISA court to support their requests for spying.
"they" being top FBI and DOJ persons
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 01:45:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 01:45:45 PM
In a nutshell - the dossier was used to procure a warrant even after it was clear that the document was paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.Quote from: "cc"
1. They knew the Dems/Hillary paid for it and didn't tell the judge in getting the warrant.
2. Then they fed it to media to spread,
3. then the used the media reports with the FISA court to support their requests for spying.
"they" being top FBI and DOJ persons
It's mind boggling how corrupt this whole investigation is. Hillary should be in jail without bail pending an investigation, but instead the partisan snakes at the the FBI are investigating Trump. And I believe it's for obstruction now.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 03:54:38 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 03:54:38 PM
I have heard something about a memo, but I don't know what it's about..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Keep us informed Wazzzup as soon as you find out what it's about.In a nutshell - the dossier was used to procure a warrant to surveil - even after it was clear that the document was paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
1. They knew the Dems/Hillary paid for it and didn't tell the judge in getting the warrant.
2. They had fed it to media to spread
3. Then they used the media reports with the FISA court to support their requests for spying.:001_rolleyes:
"they" being top FBI and DOJ persons
that's a good description, or put another way--
Obama (with help from the corrupt partisan FBI and DOJ) used a fake document that Hillary paid for as a pretext to spy on Trump.
This is basically a modern Watergate, Nixon used a break in to spy on his opponent George McGovern. and of course eventually nixon was forced to resign because of it.
The question now is- what's going to be done about it? Trump or someone else should immediately call for a special counsel to investigate the situation,. They can investigate Hillary's email obstruction and her fake charity while they are it it too. Obviously the FBI cannot be trusted to do it properly.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
In a nutshell - the dossier was used to procure a warrant even after it was clear that the document was paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.Quote from: "cc"
1. They knew the Dems/Hillary paid for it and didn't tell the judge in getting the warrant.
2. Then they fed it to media to spread,
3. then the used the media reports with the FISA court to support their requests for spying.
"they" being top FBI and DOJ persons
It's mind boggling how corrupt this whole investigation is. Hillary should be in jail without bail pending an investigation, but instead the partisan snakes at the the FBI are investigating Trump. And I believe it's for obstruction now.
Its opposite world. Black is white and up is down. The only person in the Trump investigation that there is no evidence they did anything wrong is the only person being investigated, Trump.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 02, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
There may be more areas, but I think this is where illegality will come in. By leaving that information out, they intentionally misled a judge.
1. They knew the Dems/Hillary paid for it and didn't tell the judge in getting the warrant.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
1. They knew the Dems/Hillary paid for it and didn't tell the judge in getting the warrant.
They did exactly that .. so desperate that they (including the then head of the FBI and Deputy head of the Justice Dept. and Comey also) committed a felony because they had nothing else to go on, yet "had to" get Trump
"Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe told the House Intelligence Committee in December 2017 that a surveillance warrant
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
Then I think...how naive must we be to think this does not happen in our countries.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 06:10:58 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 06:10:58 PM
Then I think...how naive must we be to think this does not happen in our countries.Quote from: "Brick"
Good point
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
- Comey was on board for the initial application
- Then FBI Director Andrew McCabe ratified it and later admitted the dossier was used as the justification to secure a FISA warrant on Carter Page
- The FBI
- "Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or. any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials."
"The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named US. person,
- The
"The application
- Top DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele in 2016 and told the FBI the British spy had an anti-Trump bias
- The memo reveals which officials green-lighted surveillance on Carter
"As required by statute, a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause.
"Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ."
I doubt many "regulars" in the FBI & DOJ feel this way or would act illegally
However, ALL KEY FBI & DOJ O-appointed honchos DID exactly that
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Then it was used as reason for Mueller's cornball thingy - premised on the very same cornball false material
If any specific comes to mind, please ask and I'll do my best
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
I do "think" heads are already approaching the chopping block and that this will lead to felony charges .. evidence is there to do so ... and keep in mind, there is much more to come
My inner fear is that 1. this should never have been gotten away with this long ... disconcering
and 2. Trump has not drained the swamp very well ... and especially at top levels ... at least not yet
He's been very quiet on this. That "should" be very disconcerting to Demoncrats .. it indicates careful planning to me .. including possibly
further investigation and / or reports to come
All I have seen is so far is ... "The White House responded by saying the memo "
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 08:16:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 02, 2018, 08:16:47 PM
Democracy has been perverted in all areas for decades now. It is a failed system that continues to draw us further into the mire of conflict and confrontation against our friends and neighbours.
If the elements of the allegations can be substantiated, it will be the worst case of power abuse in America's history. But it will be far from the only case. Corruption is rampant in a system that rewards it.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 08:27:37 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 08:27:37 PM
Democracy breeds corruption and is slowly dying a hard death because of that .. we see the decay / downward spiral today from so many directions
Also, all democracy gives is "Rule of the Majority" ... one vote more than 1/2 the total rules - there is no fairness in that even if all leaders and agencies were ethical
Even in most parliamentarian systems the end result is the same "Rule of the Majority" and = often more than 1/2 have ZERO say or power
Of course the slop is further magnified for dictatorships
The only way all could be taken care of fairly is with a "Benevolent Dictator" who takes "all" people into consideration
I have been awaiting the call 24 / 7 and of course will accept and leap into action immediately when my people call
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 09:44:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 09:44:46 PM
Agreed toQuote from: "cc"
Democracy breeds corruption and is slowly dying a hard death because of that .. we see the decay / downward spiral today from so many directions
Also, all democracy gives is "Rule of the Majority" ... one vote more than 1/2 the total rules - there is no fairness in that even if all leaders and agencies were ethical
Even in most parliamentarian systems the end result is the same "Rule of the Majority" and = often more than 1/2 have ZERO say or power
Of course the slop is further magnified for dictatorships
The only way all could be taken care of fairly is with a "Benevolent Dictator" who takes "all" people into considerationI have been awaiting the call 24 / 7 and of course will accept and leap into action immediately when my people call
Hello cc, will you please save us from plunder.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
however .......
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 10:08:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 10:08:50 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 11:43:46 PM
Post by: cc on February 02, 2018, 11:43:46 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 11:52:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2018, 11:52:59 PM
yup!! .. not once, not twice, not thrice .. 4 separate occasions they repeated the same liesQuote from: "cc"
They did not tell the judge they got the dossier from Hillary and got the warrant based on that, but what other lies am I missing?
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 03, 2018, 12:07:07 AM
Post by: cc on February 03, 2018, 12:07:07 AM
This going to get good ... it's merely the start ... just a tip o the iceberg
Nunes this afternoon said "Now the next stage starts... and there will be many stages"
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 12:13:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 12:13:25 AM
No ... I meant that they repeated the lies in front of a FISA judge every 90 days as required to renew the order to spy .. 4 times in all .. all 4 being equal feloniesQuote from: "cc"
This going to get good ... it's merely the start ... just a tip o the iceberg
Nunes this afternoon said "Now the next stage starts... and there will be many stages"
Okay, got ya now.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 12:20:06 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 12:20:06 AM
Will this ever end?
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 12:36:38 AM
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 12:36:38 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
Hopefully a civil war
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 12:37:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 12:37:58 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
Hopefully a civil war
Didn't it start when Donald Trump became president?
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 12:42:25 AM
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 12:42:25 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
Hopefully a civil war
Didn't it start when Donald Trump became president?
It's been simmering since the last civil war and it's got nothing to do with the institution of slavery.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 01:23:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 01:23:53 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
No, it will not end. Obviously, there will be no collusion charges. But, the Dems' media stooges will spin it another way in the court of public opinion for years to come.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 01:38:18 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 01:38:18 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
Hopefully a civil war
Didn't it start when Donald Trump became president?
It's been simmering since the last civil war and it's got nothing to do with the institution of slavery.
the left can't deal with not getting their way
they escalate with every president they dislike.
Reagan, Bush, Trump they become a little more unhinged each time. Now they are violent when they don't get their way (look at Antifa and BLM) they are going to get more and more aggressive till full blown war breaks out.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 01:41:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 01:41:02 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
No, it will not end. Obviously, there will be no collusion charges. But, the Dems' media stooges will spin it another way in the court of public opinion for years to come.
So, it won't end anytime soon for political reasons.....I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 01:42:26 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 01:42:26 AM
But as yet, I have not seen any mechanism being put in place to punish these people. Hell, hillary the most obvious criminal since OJ is still walkiing free. Either sessions has to get off his tired old ass or there needs to be a special counsel. Enough playing around, Something must be done this time.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 02:11:13 AM
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 02:11:13 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
No, it will not end. Obviously, there will be no collusion charges. But, the Dems' media stooges will spin it another way in the court of public opinion for years to come.
So, it won't end anytime soon for political reasons.....I'm not surprised.
Not just political reasons but a massive fundamental philosophical divide that's been festering for well over a century and which really started picking up pace in the 1960's and boils down to how people see the ever encroaching authority of the State and whether we Western people are for Republics or Democracies.
I'm not really for either but if I had to choose one it would be a Republic as originally intended by the instigators against King George in the American colonies but as we've seen in our own lifetimes, it's on paper only these days.
King George didn't fade away. He played the long game through his disciples and what happens in America now becomes the impetus to follow suit throughout any Commonwealth nation.
It's evil and I want completely off this spinning rock.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Angry White Male on February 03, 2018, 02:16:05 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 03, 2018, 02:16:05 AM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 02:21:28 AM
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 02:21:28 AM
Always entertains me when people that do NOT live in the US, careQuote from: "Angry White Male"moreabout the US than the state of their own affairs...
I've lived in plenty of places.
It always amuses me that those who haven't can't fathom the concept that others have and therefore have a much greater understanding of world affairs than they might.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Angry White Male on February 03, 2018, 02:38:54 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 03, 2018, 02:38:54 AM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 03:06:34 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 03:06:34 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
No, it will not end. Obviously, there will be no collusion charges. But, the Dems' media stooges will spin it another way in the court of public opinion for years to come.
So, it won't end anytime soon for political reasons.....I'm not surprised.
Not just political reasons but a massive fundamental philosophical divide that's been festering for well over a century and which really started picking up pace in the 1960's and boils down to how people see the ever encroaching authority of the State and whether we Western people are for Republics or Democracies.
I'm not really for either but if I had to choose one it would be a Republic as originally intended by the instigators against King George in the American colonies but as we've seen in our own lifetimes, it's on paper only these days.
King George didn't fade away. He played the long game through his disciples and what happens in America now becomes the impetus to follow suit throughout any Commonwealth nation.
It's evil and I want completely off this spinning rock.
I don't see this. What I see is a huge divide between left and right that has been growing since the 60s and trumps election exposed it. the encroaching authority of the state is part of that, but only part. there are a wide range of issues involved.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 04:01:57 AM
Post by: Frood on February 03, 2018, 04:01:57 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
No, it will not end. Obviously, there will be no collusion charges. But, the Dems' media stooges will spin it another way in the court of public opinion for years to come.
So, it won't end anytime soon for political reasons.....I'm not surprised.
Not just political reasons but a massive fundamental philosophical divide that's been festering for well over a century and which really started picking up pace in the 1960's and boils down to how people see the ever encroaching authority of the State and whether we Western people are for Republics or Democracies.
I'm not really for either but if I had to choose one it would be a Republic as originally intended by the instigators against King George in the American colonies but as we've seen in our own lifetimes, it's on paper only these days.
King George didn't fade away. He played the long game through his disciples and what happens in America now becomes the impetus to follow suit throughout any Commonwealth nation.
It's evil and I want completely off this spinning rock.
I don't see this. What I see is a huge divide between left and right that has been growing since the 60s and trumps election exposed it. the encroaching authority of the state is part of that, but only part. there are a wide range of issues involved.
So you parrot back what I said then offer a generic watering down?
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 09:36:31 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 03, 2018, 09:36:31 AM
I have a question for those of you who have been following these events; how will this end?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Will this ever end?
No, it will not end. Obviously, there will be no collusion charges. But, the Dems' media stooges will spin it another way in the court of public opinion for years to come.
So, it won't end anytime soon for political reasons.....I'm not surprised.
Not just political reasons but a massive fundamental philosophical divide that's been festering for well over a century and which really started picking up pace in the 1960's and boils down to how people see the ever encroaching authority of the State and whether we Western people are for Republics or Democracies.
I'm not really for either but if I had to choose one it would be a Republic as originally intended by the instigators against King George in the American colonies but as we've seen in our own lifetimes, it's on paper only these days.
King George didn't fade away. He played the long game through his disciples and what happens in America now becomes the impetus to follow suit throughout any Commonwealth nation.
It's evil and I want completely off this spinning rock.
I don't see this. What I see is a huge divide between left and right that has been growing since the 60s and trumps election exposed it. the encroaching authority of the state is part of that, but only part. there are a wide range of issues involved.
So you parrot back what I said then offer a generic watering down?ac_dunno
If that's what I did my apologies. I just couldn't tell that what you said was a divide between left and right, it looked like a lot of other stuff.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Cronus on February 03, 2018, 02:04:44 PM
Post by: Cronus on February 03, 2018, 02:04:44 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 11:47:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2018, 11:47:13 PM
Did the GOP originally fund the Steele dossier to get shit on Trump?Quote from: "Cronus"
With all the corruption I've seen in the DOJ, the FBI and Wasserman-Schultz, I wouldn't be surprised. I believe Romney, the Bush and the rest of the chamber of commerce GOP would have preferred Hillary win.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Cronus on February 03, 2018, 11:52:45 PM
Post by: Cronus on February 03, 2018, 11:52:45 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2018, 12:07:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2018, 12:07:58 AM
As I understand it we are only seeing 2 pages of a huge memo. Who the hell knows. I don't trust any of them.Quote from: "Cronus"
I think it's four pages.
Some key points of the memo include:
Christopher Steele, who compiled the controversial dossier containing colorful but unverifiable claims about Trump, confirmed to former associate deputy attorney general Bruce Ohr that he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president."
The dossier was key to the FBI's FISA warrant in its surveillance of members of Trump's team.
The FBI and DOJ obtained an initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page, a former foreign policy adviser to Trump.
The surveillance warrants and renewals did not mention that the dossier was paid for, at least in part, by the Democratic National Committee and the campaign for Hillary Clinton. The memo says the DOJ was aware at the time of the initial FISA application that "political actors were involved with the Steele dossier."
While Ohr met with Steele, Ohr's wife was employed by Fusion GPS, the firm contracted to produce the dossier, and was assisting in opposition research on Trump, according to the memo. This information was also not included in the warrant.
Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe told the House Intelligence Committee in December 2017 that a surveillance warrant would not have been sought without the dossier and what it purportedly revealed.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2018, 12:40:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2018, 12:40:30 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 04, 2018, 05:48:08 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 04, 2018, 05:48:08 PM
Always entertains me when people that do NOT live in the US, careQuote from: "Angry White Male"moreabout the US than the state of their own affairs...
Freud is American.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 04, 2018, 07:37:57 PM
Post by: cc on February 04, 2018, 07:37:57 PM
I had thought his attitude problems stemmed from being upsidedown all his life
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 04, 2018, 07:52:30 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 04, 2018, 07:52:30 PM
His constant demand for attention at any cost to his dignity and personal pride is legendary.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 04, 2018, 10:16:13 PM
Post by: Frood on February 04, 2018, 10:16:13 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Bricktop on February 04, 2018, 10:50:51 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 04, 2018, 10:50:51 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Frood on February 04, 2018, 11:13:55 PM
Post by: Frood on February 04, 2018, 11:13:55 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 02:12:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 02:12:29 PM
Under a contract from the Clinton campaign, the Fusion GPS research firm was paying the wife of a senior Department of Justice official as part of its efforts to gather opposition research on Trump, and the same official then brought that research to the FBI.Quote
Knowledge of the relationship has raised questions about the extent to which the firm may have paid for heightened access to the criminal justice system, and whether they would have hired Nellie Ohr absent her spousal connection to the DoJ.
A declassified memo said Bruce "Ohr's wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife's opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs' relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the" court when it was used to obtain a surveillance warrant.
Bruce Ohr was deputy associate attorney general until December. House investigators determined that he met personally with Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS' founder.
The FBI has limited resources to deal with a firehose of information, so people seeking the FBI's attention could potentially benefit from greasing the wheels in order to get info to the front of the queue and to a high level.
"The money sweetened the pot for the Ohrs, and it certainly made it easier for Fusion to get the dossier to be used before the court if they made that payment to Bruce Ohr's wife," former judge and Texas GOP Rep. Louie Gohmert told The Daily Caller News Foundation,
"Fusion had to have known that because of the relationship between Bruce Ohr and his wife, they were bringing Fusion, the DOJ and the DNC together under one roof to work for the same goal, which was to stop Donald Trump from becoming president," he said.
Ohr's wife, Nellie, is a Russia expert, but it is not known what her specific contribution to the dossier was.
"The financial arrangement between Mrs. Ohr and Fusion GPS gives the appearance of government-for-hire," said Tom Anderson, an ethics expert at the conservative-leaning watchdog group the National Legal and Policy Center. It "appears to be a sophisticated scheme to get access to the highest levels of our government ... ensuring the use of government resources in an attempt to influence an election."
Parties seeking to hide ethically questionable payments often write the checks to a family member. Since spouses generally share assets, payments to one benefit the other, and paying the spouse can make the payments less obvious or harder to trace.
Nellie did not return a message left on a number listed as her home phone number asking what contribution she made to the dossier.
Getting information into the hands of law enforcement through the family member of an official could have potentially also limited the paper trail showing how it wound up in FBI hands, and fingerprints tying it back to Fusion GPS, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
Gohmert, who is a member of the House Committee on the Judiciary, said he believes that Ohr and other officials already harbored anti-Trump inclinations, but the money could have helped push him over the edge to take a leading role. "It was a way to reward people that thought like them. They enriched themselves and their friends."
Voter registration data shows Nellie has been a registered Democrat in the past.http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/04/fusion-gps-ohr/?utm_medium=email
The US needs a special counsel to investigate the special counsel.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
Under a contract from the Clinton campaign, the Fusion GPS research firm was paying the wife of a senior Department of Justice official as part of its efforts to gather opposition research on Trump, and the same official then brought that research to the FBI.Quote
Knowledge of the relationship has raised questions about the extent to which the firm may have paid for heightened access to the criminal justice system, and whether they would have hired Nellie Ohr absent her spousal connection to the DoJ.
A declassified memo said Bruce "Ohr's wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife's opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs' relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the" court when it was used to obtain a surveillance warrant.
Bruce Ohr was deputy associate attorney general until December. House investigators determined that he met personally with Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS' founder.
The FBI has limited resources to deal with a firehose of information, so people seeking the FBI's attention could potentially benefit from greasing the wheels in order to get info to the front of the queue and to a high level.
"The money sweetened the pot for the Ohrs, and it certainly made it easier for Fusion to get the dossier to be used before the court if they made that payment to Bruce Ohr's wife," former judge and Texas GOP Rep. Louie Gohmert told The Daily Caller News Foundation,
"Fusion had to have known that because of the relationship between Bruce Ohr and his wife, they were bringing Fusion, the DOJ and the DNC together under one roof to work for the same goal, which was to stop Donald Trump from becoming president," he said.
Ohr's wife, Nellie, is a Russia expert, but it is not known what her specific contribution to the dossier was.
"The financial arrangement between Mrs. Ohr and Fusion GPS gives the appearance of government-for-hire," said Tom Anderson, an ethics expert at the conservative-leaning watchdog group the National Legal and Policy Center. It "appears to be a sophisticated scheme to get access to the highest levels of our government ... ensuring the use of government resources in an attempt to influence an election."
Parties seeking to hide ethically questionable payments often write the checks to a family member. Since spouses generally share assets, payments to one benefit the other, and paying the spouse can make the payments less obvious or harder to trace.
Nellie did not return a message left on a number listed as her home phone number asking what contribution she made to the dossier.
Getting information into the hands of law enforcement through the family member of an official could have potentially also limited the paper trail showing how it wound up in FBI hands, and fingerprints tying it back to Fusion GPS, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
Gohmert, who is a member of the House Committee on the Judiciary, said he believes that Ohr and other officials already harbored anti-Trump inclinations, but the money could have helped push him over the edge to take a leading role. "It was a way to reward people that thought like them. They enriched themselves and their friends."
Voter registration data shows Nellie has been a registered Democrat in the past.http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/04/fusion-gps-ohr/?utm_medium=email
The US needs a special counsel to investigate the special counsel.
This whole thing is as messed up as a dog's breakfast.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 05, 2018, 05:00:59 PM
Post by: cc on February 05, 2018, 05:00:59 PM
"Phase one of our investigation was getting to the FISA abuse.
What we're looking at now is the State Department and some of the irregularities there," Nunes said Monday, noting that the committee has "several other areas" to probe.
[ I
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 05:03:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 05:03:51 PM
Nunes sets sights on State Department next, says FISA memo only 'phase one'(//http)
"Phase one of our investigation was getting to the FISA abuse.
What we're looking at now is the State Department and some of the irregularities there," Nunes said Monday, noting that the committee has "several other areas" to probe.
[ Ihope and assume that they look into the InJustice Dept]
And the Democrats will cry how exposing the corruption and abuse in the DOJ, FBI and state department harms the integrity of the investigation.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 05, 2018, 05:18:48 PM
Post by: cc on February 05, 2018, 05:18:48 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaQuote from: "cc"
That's exactly how the CBC spun it.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Wazzzup on February 05, 2018, 10:49:38 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 05, 2018, 10:49:38 PM
OTOH Here is a media hack montage calling the memo a Dud and a nothing burger.
So which is it? a horrible thing the release of which could cause an oklahoma city ctyle bombing, or a nothing burger dud?????
get your story straight people!
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2018, 12:21:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2018, 12:21:29 AM
That depends on how it affects the dementocrats at the midterms.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2018, 12:37:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2018, 12:37:37 PM
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: cc on February 07, 2018, 12:41:16 PM
Post by: cc on February 07, 2018, 12:41:16 PM
A morning coffee for these progs
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2018, 12:43:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2018, 12:43:23 PM
Dunno how press and performers think it is their duty to sell progism rather than report genuine news or genuinely entertainQuote from: "cc"
A morning coffee for these progs(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/trump-still-president-coffee-cup.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content%20...%20ee-cup.jpg%22%3Ehttps://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/trump-still-president-coffee-cup.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2018, 02:24:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2018, 02:24:10 PM
Stephen Colbert is progtard slime. He is the biggest apologist for the deceitful corrupt actions of the Clintons, the FBI and the DOJ.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Stephen Colbert is about as honest as the McCarthyian witch hunt against this president that he defends.
Title: Re: The Memo
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2019, 01:37:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2019, 01:37:44 PM
CHARITY BACKED BY SILICON VALLEY TECH TITANS GAVE $500K TO FUSION GPS-LINKED GROUP
A former Senate Intelligence Committee staffer who has worked with Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele quietly formed a pro-democracy nonprofit group in 2018 called Advance Democracy Inc.
A Daily Caller News Foundation investigation found that a multi-billion dollar charity backed by Silicon Valley tech titans donated $500,000 to the group last year.
The staffer operates a similar charity called The Democracy Integrity Project, which receives funding from George Soros. He allegedly told one associate that the group operates as a "shadow media organization" that works with the U.S. government.
A Silicon Valley charity gave $500,000 to a nonprofit group founded by a former Senate staffer who is working with Fusion GPS and Trump dossier author Christopher Steele.
The Silicon Valley Community Foundation (SVCF), which has received significant funding from tech industry billionaires, gave the donation in 2018 to Advance Democracy Inc., a Virginia-based 501(c)(3) group, according to a database the recipient group runs.
A Daily Caller News Foundation investigation found that Advance Democracy shares the same address as The Democracy Integrity Project (TDIP), another nonprofit group started by a former Senate Intelligence Committee staffer for California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Daniel Jones.
Mystery surrounds both of Jones's operations. The identities of both groups' donors have largely been kept secret, as Jones has avoided revealing his backers.
The secrecy would appear at odds with Advance Democracy's website description that it is an "independent, non-partisan organization that promotes accountability, transparency, and good governance in the United States and around the world."
Jones created TDIP on Jan. 31, 2017, according to registration records filed in Washington, D.C. Through that group, Jones partnered with Fusion GPS and Steele to continue a private investigation into President Donald Trump and Russia. One goal of the organization, Jones told the FBI, was to provide information to the media, lawmakers and the FBI.
Jones, who worked for Feinstein on the Senate Intelligence Committee through 2015, allegedly told one associate that his operation worked as a "shadow media organization" with the U.S. government, TheDCNF previously reported. He also took credit for planting anti-Trump stories in the press.
Jones formed Advance Democracy on Jan. 29, 2018 — four days after then-Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley identified Jones in letters seeking information related to Steele's dossier regarding Trump's alleged relationship with Russia.
It's unclear why Jones created two separate organizations. While the two groups share the same Virginia address registered to Jones, they have different tax statuses with the IRS. TDIP is a 501(c)(4), meaning that donations are not tax-deductible, in contrast to Advance Democracy, a 501(c)(3).
Jones also operates The Penn Quarter Group, a Washington, D.C.-based "research and investigative advisory" firm.
It is also unclear who is ultimately behind the SVCF contribution to Advance Democracy. The foundation, whose donors include Silicon Valley tech titans, lists grant recipients in an online database, but does not identify who funded each grant.
A spokeswoman for SVCF declined to disclose the donor. Jones did not respond to TheDCNF's request for comment.
Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has donated nearly $2 billion in his company's stock to SVCF since 2010, according to Forbes, including $214 million in November 2018. Twitter and Square founder Jack Dorsey contributed $21 million in Square stock in 2015, and Netflix founder Reed Hastings gave $100 million in 2016. Google co-founder Sergey Brin gave $10 million in 2015.
Starbucks founder and potential 2020 presidential candidate Howard Schultz gave $1 million in 2014. J.B. Pritzker, the Democratic governor of Illinois, gave $605,000 in 2016 through his family foundation, according to Forbes, which pulled donor information from Security Exchange Commission filings.
SVCF uses donor-advised funds to accept donations and make grants. Donors receive an immediate tax benefit for contributions, many of which are made in the form of stocks and other assets, but can distribute funds on a longer timeline than would be required at a traditional private foundation. They can also recommend who receives the grants using their donations.
The funds, known as DAFs, also provide an extra layer of anonymity for donors compared to a foundation funded by an individual or family. Rhode Island Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democrat, has said that the donor-advised fund industry fosters "identity laundering."
SVCF has more than 1,000 donor-advised funds, a spokeswoman for the group told TheDCNF.
The contribution to Advance Democracy is the first donation to the Jones group to be revealed. TDIP received $1 million from progressive billionaire financier George Soros in 2017, while the Fund for a Better Future, a Sacramento-based dark money group in California, contributed $2,065,000 to TDIP that same year.
Jones's activities have slowly trickled into public view over the past year.
After Grassley, an Iowa Republican, identified Jones in his January 2018 letter, The Federalist reported that Jones was working with Fusion GPS and Steele to investigate Trump. On April 27, 2018, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released a report that quoted from an interview that Jones conducted with the FBI in March 2017.
According to the report, Jones told FBI agents that he had raised $50 million from between seven and 10 donors from California and New York to "continue exposing Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election."
Jones said he hired Fusion GPS and Steele and "planned to share the information he obtained with policymakers ... and with the press."
In a text message provided to TheDCNF, Jones took credit for the publication of anti-Trump news stories. In one text that linked to a March 17, 2017, Reuters article, Jones said that "our team helped with this."