Title: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 05:43:02 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 05:43:02 PM
Oh no.
Its better that their kids get shot up whilst in class.
Fool of a country.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Odinson on February 14, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Post by: Odinson on February 14, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Near every household is filled with firearms for different purposes.
We just aint gun happy... Different culture.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
But they don't need no gun control.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Oh no.
Its better that their kids get shot up whilst in class.
Fool of a country.
I haven't heard about it yet Bricktop.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 06:22:04 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 06:22:04 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 06:41:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 06:41:48 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 06:56:24 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 06:56:24 PM
Fucking idiots. The name of every child killed by this madness should be permanently etched on the NRA headquarters.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 07:00:14 PM
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 07:00:14 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 07:03:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 07:03:38 PM
The suspect, 19-year-old former student Nikolas Cruz, is in custody, the sheriff said. He was expelled for unspecified disciplinary reasons.
Parkland Florida, with a population of 31,000 people in 2016, was named Florida's safest city last year, according to an analysis by the Washington-based National Council for Home Safety and Security, a home security industry trade association.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 08:58:38 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 08:58:38 PM
Gun control causes these massacres. Morons like Bricktop want disarmament and regulations, because they secretly love creating sitting duck victims.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Every day, you find new ways to illustrate your idiocy.
At least, for that, you never fail to impress.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 09:00:04 PM
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 09:00:04 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:18:07 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:18:07 PM
Why not wait until you have an opportunity to talk to me mano e mano before accusing me of cowardice.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:20:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:20:44 PM
I wonder what he would think if his daughter took a bullet to the head.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 09:25:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 09:25:43 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
A government that cares for its people can NOT sit by and do nothing, as the American governments are want to do. America has built a society that is prone to violence, and given that society free reign to buy high powered lethal firearms.
Doing nothing is simply killing more kids.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 09:37:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 09:37:55 PM
Its never too late.Quote from: "Bricktop"
A government that cares for its people can NOT sit by and do nothing, as the American governments are want to do. America has built a society that is prone to violence, and given that society free reign to buy high powered lethal firearms.
Doing nothing is simply killing more kids.
They have tried prohibition of a different product that can lead to violence before and we know how well that turned out.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:47:18 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 09:47:18 PM
America is killing its kids with its indifference and failure to foresee the consequences of adhering to a questionable clause in an ancient Constitution.
It should collectively hang its head in shame for its apathy and stupidity.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 09:48:27 PM
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 09:48:27 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
Don't listen to that crybaby Bricktop who doesn't have the stomach to slaughter the meat he puts in his fat mouth, Seoul. He's an aging emo sniffle sook.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I do not want to get into ad hom, but I know repealing the second is not a serious solution.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 10:00:48 PM
Post by: Frood on February 14, 2018, 10:00:48 PM
Don't listen to that crybaby Bricktop who doesn't have the stomach to slaughter the meat he puts in his fat mouth, Seoul. He's an aging emo sniffle sook.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I do not want to get into ad hom, but I know repealing the second is not a serious solution.
Bricktop hates the hunting of wildlife. Thinks it's inhumane just like he views the ability of people to protect themselves.
Put it all together and he's a clear picture of someone who prefers animals and people on their knees instead of on their feet. That makes him a coward and hypocrite. He's eaten meat and handled firearms. One rule for him, different rules for others.
A total punk.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 10:02:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 10:02:25 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 10:35:46 PM
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 10:35:46 PM
Me? I just plain feel sick!! Answers? I have none.
I do know some of the facts though.
Fact: This guy was a problem long before today
Fact: He was booted out of the very school last year
Fact: They knew he was a great danger long ago - even to the point where he was on the radar BIGTIME
Fact: School officials were told to take away a backpack or bag if they spotted him in the school - Dunno how most could do that - he is very large and strong looking.
Also, seems there must be better ways to deal with time bombs
Fact: Cops well knew he was trouble
Fact: He regularly watched and communicated with terrorist killers in Syria and Iraq - No, I'm not implying he converted, but am saying that he worshiped and communicated with killers
Fact: He sported guns and bombs etc. .. yes, bombs .. and said how the idea of using things like that turned him on .. he did write that he wanted "to bomb"
Fact: He also had gas grenades with him & a gas mask
Fact: I know it is contradictory to those who like to think all people are good, but that is naive. There are bad people who WILL act out like this
Fact: Society had not found a way to sideline bad people until they act out
Fact: 'EVERYONE PREDICTED IT' - but no one was able to do a thing
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 10:47:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 10:47:52 PM
Ya. The armchair experts dive out of the woodwork to use this sort of thing as opportunity to speculate AND / OR to sound off on their pet personal "thing".Quote from: "cc"
Me? I just plain feel sick!! Answers? I have none.
I do know some of the facts though.
Fact: This guy was a problem long before today
Fact: He was booted out of the very school last year
Fact: They knew he was a great danger long ago - even to the point where he was on the radar BIGTIME
Fact: School officials were told to take away a backpack or bag if they spotted him in the school - Dunno how most could do that - he is very large and strong looking.
Also, seems there must be better ways to deal with time bombs
Fact: Cops well knew he was trouble
Fact: He regularly watched and communicated with terrorist killers in Syria and Iraq - No, I'm not implying he converted, but am saying that he worshiped and communicated with killers
Fact: He sported guns and bombs etc. .. yes, bombs .. and said how the idea of using things like that turned him on
Fact: He also had gas grenades with him & a gas mask
Fact: I know it is contradictory to those who like to think all people are good, but that is naive. There are bad people
Fact: Society had not found a way to sideline bad people until they act out
Fact: 'EVERYONE PREDICTED IT'
Thank you for posting this cc..
Some of these I read, but most of them I didn't..
You like to collect facts first before prescribing solutions....maybe you should have been a police detective.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 10:49:05 PM
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 10:49:05 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 10:53:55 PM
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 10:53:55 PM
The Broward County Sheriff's Office said that a football coach died in the shooting. It's unclear if Feis is that coach.
Students and players took to social media Wednesday to express their gratitude and concern for the football coach.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 11:01:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 11:01:40 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 11:04:07 PM
Post by: cc on February 14, 2018, 11:04:07 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 11:52:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 14, 2018, 11:52:44 PM
Ya. The armchair experts dive out of the woodwork to use this sort of thing as opportunity to speculate AND / OR to sound off on their pet personal "thing".Quote from: "cc"
Me? I just plain feel sick!! Answers? I have none.
I do know some of the facts though.
Fact: This guy was a problem long before today
Fact: He was booted out of the very school last year
Fact: They knew he was a great danger long ago - even to the point where he was on the radar BIGTIME
Fact: School officials were told to take away a backpack or bag if they spotted him in the school - Dunno how most could do that - he is very large and strong looking.
Also, seems there must be better ways to deal with time bombs
Fact: Cops well knew he was trouble
Fact: He regularly watched and communicated with terrorist killers in Syria and Iraq - No, I'm not implying he converted, but am saying that he worshiped and communicated with killers
Fact: He sported guns and bombs etc. .. yes, bombs .. and said how the idea of using things like that turned him on .. he did write that he wanted "to bomb"
Fact: He also had gas grenades with him & a gas mask
Fact: I know it is contradictory to those who like to think all people are good, but that is naive. There are bad people who WILL act out like this
Fact: Society had not found a way to sideline bad people until they act out
Fact: 'EVERYONE PREDICTED IT' - but no one was able to do a thing
FACT; If this madman were not able to obtain a firearm, 17 kids would be alive today.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 12:05:37 AM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 12:05:37 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 12:08:26 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 12:08:26 AM
FACT; If this madman were not able to obtain a firearm, 17 kids would be alive today.Quote from: "Bricktop"
In the US, this is easier said than done...
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 12:13:15 AM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 12:13:15 AM
FACT; If this madman were not able to obtain a firearm, 17 kids would be alive today.Quote from: "Bricktop"
In the US, this is easier said than done...
Anywhere actually. Statists create these easy killing fields then point their fingers at the tools used when defenceless people die.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 12:15:40 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 12:15:40 AM
Yet, we don't have near the same levels of gun violence.
I know easy access to firearms isn't a good thing, but I don't think it's the whole story...
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 12:33:51 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 12:33:51 AM
Look at it this way... Canadians own many firearms also. Pistols, semi-auto rifles, you name it. Our long-guns aren't even registered anymore, meaning they cannot be tracked.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Yet, we don't have near the same levels of gun violence.
I know easy access to firearms isn't a good thing, but I don't think it's the whole story...
if you put aside the mass shootings like this and look at statistics, you find that the white murder rate in America is almost the same as the canadian white murder rate. Its blacks and to some extent Hispanics that raise our murder rates higher than Canada, some European countries and Australia. I don't know why that is, but I know that it is the case.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 12:37:12 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 12:37:12 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 01:02:20 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 01:02:20 AM
Look at it this way... Canadians own many firearms also. Pistols, semi-auto rifles, you name it. Our long-guns aren't even registered anymore, meaning they cannot be tracked.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Yet, we don't have near the same levels of gun violence.
I know easy access to firearms isn't a good thing, but I don't think it's the whole story...
if you put aside the mass shootings like this and look at statistics, you find that the white murder rate in America is almost the same as the canadian white murder rate. Its blacks and to some extent Hispanics that raise our murder rates higher than Canada, some European countries and Australia. I don't know why that is, but I know that it is the case.
That is like saying if you put aside drunk drivers, dangerous speeders, fleeing villains and red light runners, your road toll is the same as Iceland.
You cannot pick and choose your numbers. By any measure, you are TEN times more likely to die from gunfire in the US than ANY other western nation. That is a national shame and embarrassment, and the ineptitude and fear of respective governments is causing American children to die in schools.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 01:04:32 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 01:04:32 AM
FACT; If this madman were not able to obtain a firearm, 17 kids would be alive today.Quote from: "Bricktop"
In the US, this is easier said than done...
Anywhere actually. Statists create these easy killing fields then point their fingers at the tools used when defenceless people die.
No kids are gunned down in Australian schools, and there are no armed guards. Nor England. Nor Japan. Nor China. Nor Russia. Nor Canada.
Only America, which has more guns than any of those countries.
By the way...there was a guard at the school in question. Didn't help 17 children.
If one of those was your daughter, you'd be going nuts right now.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 01:30:09 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 01:30:09 AM
It's something more than just the potential availability of firearms...
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 01:33:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 01:33:00 AM
The issue being raised, Brick, is why does a place like Canada, that does have fairly high gun ownership numbers compared to the rest of the Western World, not see so many issues?Quote from: "Angry White Male"
It's something more than just the potential availability of firearms...
New Zealand has fairly liberal gun ownership laws too....I remember Renee posting that.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 01:42:10 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 01:42:10 AM
Look at it this way... Canadians own many firearms also. Pistols, semi-auto rifles, you name it. Our long-guns aren't even registered anymore, meaning they cannot be tracked.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Yet, we don't have near the same levels of gun violence.
I know easy access to firearms isn't a good thing, but I don't think it's the whole story...
if you put aside the mass shootings like this and look at statistics, you find that the white murder rate in America is almost the same as the canadian white murder rate. Its blacks and to some extent Hispanics that raise our murder rates higher than Canada, some European countries and Australia. I don't know why that is, but I know that it is the case.
That is like saying if you put aside drunk drivers, dangerous speeders, fleeing villains and red light runners, your road toll is the same as Iceland.
You cannot pick and choose your numbers. By any measure, you are TEN times more likely to die from gunfire in the US than ANY other western nation. That is a national shame and embarrassment, and the ineptitude and fear of respective governments is causing American children to die in schools.
Its not really the same, because when sociologists do studies they separate groups by race and other things because those are variables that need controlling.
In order to be scientific, You have to compare like populations to like populations.'the difference in murder rates between other countries and the US may have nothing to do with gun laws but rather demographic differences.
America is 13% black, blacks commit over 5 times the murders per capita that whites do, hispanics are about 18% of the population, snd they commit between 2 to 3 times the per capita murder rate that whites do. You can't just ignore a huge dfference in behavior like that.
Look at Australia for instance. Aborigines are 3% of the population, but they are actually the most incarcerated people on the planet making up 28% of your prison opulation. What if you quadrupleled the number of aborgines living in Australia (to about the number of blacks living in America)? then your crime rate might look more like ours, even if your gun laws don't.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 01:56:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 01:56:58 AM
Look at it this way... Canadians own many firearms also. Pistols, semi-auto rifles, you name it. Our long-guns aren't even registered anymore, meaning they cannot be tracked.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Yet, we don't have near the same levels of gun violence.
I know easy access to firearms isn't a good thing, but I don't think it's the whole story...
if you put aside the mass shootings like this and look at statistics, you find that the white murder rate in America is almost the same as the canadian white murder rate. Its blacks and to some extent Hispanics that raise our murder rates higher than Canada, some European countries and Australia. I don't know why that is, but I know that it is the case.
That is like saying if you put aside drunk drivers, dangerous speeders, fleeing villains and red light runners, your road toll is the same as Iceland.
You cannot pick and choose your numbers. By any measure, you are TEN times more likely to die from gunfire in the US than ANY other western nation. That is a national shame and embarrassment, and the ineptitude and fear of respective governments is causing American children to die in schools.
Its not really the same, because when sociologists do studies they separate groups by race and other things because those are variables that need controlling.
In order to be scientific, You have to compare like populations to like populations.'the difference in murder rates between other countries and the US may have nothing to do with gun laws but rather demographic differences.
America is 13% black, blacks commit over 5 times the murders per capita that whites do, hispanics are about 18% of the population, snd they commit between 2 to 3 times the per capita murder rate that whites do. You can't just ignore a huge dfference in behavior like that.
Look at Australia for instance. Aborigines are 3% of the population, but they are actually the most incarcerated people on the planet making up 28% of your prison opulation. What if you quadrupleled the number of aborgines living in Australia (to about the number of blacks living in America)? then your crime rate might look more like ours, even if your gun laws don't.
Bingo.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 01:59:26 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 01:59:26 AM
America's crime rate is comparable with its peers. What is NOT comparable is the DEATH rate by firearms. 30,000 plus of your citizens die from guns EVERY year. That is TEN times per capita more than any other western nation, and many times more than that for Japan.
The reason is utterly inarguable; America has too many guns. Take away the guns, and other factors become irrelevant. Your guns do not protect you from crime, as the data clearly shows, yet they kill you in the thousands. For nothing. They offer no benefit...only more senseless deaths.
Your government needs to do what needs to be done. What LOGIC and REASON demand. Get rid of the guns...and the gun industry. Not only does it kill innocent people, but it makes your country look hypocritical and irrational on the world's stage.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:02:21 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:02:21 AM
And as was mentioned, most of the shooting deaths occur with Nig and Spic ghetto bangers (it doesn't make the news, as it would make them look bad), and they will
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:05:33 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:05:33 AM
What about Columbine?
Las Vegas?
Don't talk crap. Guns don't care what colour of skin are holding them.
You can get rid of guns with the will of the people and their government. There are precedents...Australia being one of them.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:07:01 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:07:01 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:09:50 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:09:50 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 02:14:25 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 02:14:25 AM
You can't get rid of the guns anyway. Even if the government demanded them tomorrow most people would not turn their guns in, and like has always happened in the US in places where guns are nearly banned, people will buy them on the street. the most gun crimes of all occur in inner cities and the guns used are nearly always illegally obtained.
I think its like mel said, you can't just says its about availablity, there is more to it than that.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 02:22:12 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 02:22:12 AM
How many of the children in Florida were blacks or hispanics?Quote from: "Bricktop"
What about Columbine?
Las Vegas?
Don't talk crap. Guns don't care what colour of skin are holding them.
You can get rid of guns with the will of the people and their government. There are precedents...Australia being one of them.
According to ABC
Austraian Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people
Why are aborigines using violence and killing so many in Australia if guns are banned?
because certain ethnic/racial groups are more prone to violence than others, and two of these groups happen to account for a great many people in the US, in numbers larger than most other countries.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 02:26:09 AM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 02:26:09 AM
The cowardice and immorality of gun banners here is repugnant. They're mentally ill.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:29:36 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:29:36 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:44:10 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:44:10 AM
How many of the children in Florida were blacks or hispanics?Quote from: "Bricktop"
What about Columbine?
Las Vegas?
Don't talk crap. Guns don't care what colour of skin are holding them.
You can get rid of guns with the will of the people and their government. There are precedents...Australia being one of them.
According to ABC
Austraian Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous peoplehttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-08/aboriginal-people-20-times-more-likely-to-commit/2602494
Why are aborigines using violence and killing so many in Australia if guns are banned?
because certain ethnic/racial groups are more prone to violence than others, and two of these groups happen to account for a great many people in the US, in numbers larger than most other countries.
Killing?
Where's the data on aboriginal homicides?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:46:40 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 02:46:40 AM
Brick even hates knives, I see... I hope his household has those plastic scissors they use in Kindergarten, so nobody cuts themselves and gets hurt.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
See, this is where idiocy overwhelms reason.
Where have I stated that I hate knives?
I do not support the possession of weapons of ANY kind. That includes knives that are intended only to be used as weapons.
The operative word, MEL, is WEAPON.
That is, a device or implement manufactured and supplied solely for use as a weapon. Fucks sake, either learn to read or go play at Van.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 02:51:26 AM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 02:51:26 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:51:39 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 02:51:39 AM
A car can be a weapon. Should people not drive? Or not go out, so they don't get hit by them?
Almost anything can become a weapon.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 02:57:02 AM
Post by: Frood on February 15, 2018, 02:57:02 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 03:02:19 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 15, 2018, 03:02:19 AM
Those animals lived a better life before being killed for food by a legit hunter, than the slaughterhouse animals most of us consume. THAT I know, and will never argue.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
According to this article the notthern territory in Australia has a higher murder rate (5.5) than the US (4.9) and in 2001 to 2002 had a murder rate of 11.5
the aborginal population of Australias northern territory is 30%
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:02:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:02:12 AM
I think the stats would be be similar for Canada's North or prairies.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 12:17:01 PM
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 12:17:01 PM
The FBI received a tip months before Wednesday's Florida high school shooting that claimed gunman Nikolas Cruz wrote about being "a professional school shooter" on social media, according to the vlogger who told authorities.
Rob Lasky, FBI Special Agent in charge of FBI's Miami division confirmed during a Thursday morning news conference the agency investigated a comment made on a YouTube video in September that matched the remark reported by vlogger Ben Bennight. After conducting database reviews, however, the FBI said it could not identify the user who made the comment.
"No other information was included in the comment which would indicate a particular time, location, or the true identity of the person who posted the comment," the FBI said in a subsequent statement.
The comment, made user Nikolas Cruz, stated: "
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 12:17:07 PM
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 12:17:07 PM
A student in Washington state was arrested Tuesday after his grandmother called authorities to report "upcoming and credible threats" of a plot in his journal to attack a high school after flipping a coin, officials said.
The Everett Police Department said in a news release the grandmother contacted authorities around 9:30 a.m. and showed police excerpts of the journal, which "detailed plans to shoot students and use homemade explosive devices at ACES High School." Officers were also told by the grandmother that 18-year-old Joshua Alexander O'Connor had a rifle stored in a guitar case, which she discovered after reading the journal.
"That would have probably been one of the hardest calls she has probably ever made, but I think that the content of the journal and some of the other evidence in the house was enough that she was alarmed enough," Everett Police Officer Aaron Snell told Q13 News.
Authorities arrested O'Connor at the school, where he was found carrying marijuana and a knife. During his arrest, the student managed to slip one of his hands out of the handcuffs and tried to run from police, kicking an officer during the attempted escape.
Detectives later executed a search warrant on the grandmother's house, where he lived and where they seized the journal, a rifle, "military styled inert grenades and other evidentiary items," according to the release.
According to court documents obtained by Q13 News, O'Connor
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 15, 2018, 12:38:25 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 15, 2018, 12:38:25 PM
Kinda weird how they have all the kids fleeing with their hands in the air.
I seen somewhere else where he was recently getting mental help. Thats a flag too. Mental = no guns here.
If the NSA spies on us, and the FBI was on to him, this shit should not of happened. Why do we allow the NSA to spy on us if they never do shit in the first place other than jacking off to my dick pics I send.
To me, the school security failed. There should of been no way for him to get in there with a rifle. At my son's school he went to, all doors were locked, and only one door to gain entry via a camera and being buzzed in.
Guns dont kill people any differently than any other "tool", its people fucked in the head or just plain bad that do this. Long ago, kids were allowed to take guns to school, now they are "gun free", making them easy prey for anyone with a gun. This goes for areas that guns are more restricted, seems more gun violence happens in those areas, odd dont ya think. "An armed society is a polite society".
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Seems this guy had been reported to FBI(//http)
The FBI received a tip months before Wednesday's Florida high school shooting that claimed gunman Nikolas Cruz wrote about being "a professional school shooter" on social media, according to the vlogger who told authorities.
Rob Lasky, FBI Special Agent in charge of FBI's Miami division confirmed during a Thursday morning news conference the agency investigated a comment made on a YouTube video in September that matched the remark reported by vlogger Ben Bennight. After conducting database reviews, however, the FBI said it could not identify the user who made the comment.
"No other information was included in the comment which would indicate a particular time, location, or the true identity of the person who posted the comment," the FBI said in a subsequent statement.
The comment, made user Nikolas Cruz, stated: "I'm going to be a professional school shooter."
The FBI didn't identify the user because they didn't do their job.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 15, 2018, 04:48:33 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 15, 2018, 04:48:33 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 15, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 15, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 06:33:14 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 06:33:14 PM
And the total population of the Northern Territory is around 100,000 people. Thus you ignored the most salient point; "It's a combination of factors," Mr Willis said. "Where you have a relatively small number of homicides within the context of a small population, it will give you a very high rate."
Nor does it say anywhere that these murders were perpetrated by using firearms. In fact most were perpetrated by battery, with or without weapons.
The issue we are discussing is GUN related deaths, NOT murder rates. However, given that the US murder rate by firearms is 5 times the rate of that in Australia...and the relative number in Australia is quite small, it is irrefutable that the ownership of firearms in the US is a major contributor to both people being murdered and people taking their own lives.
The myth that guns keep you safe is not reflected in the respective crime rates, either. By that logic, America should have ten times (per capita) LESS crime than Australia. But it doesn't. Its around the same.
The truth is much simpler. America has evolved as a gun and violence related culture. To Americans, the gun is a symbol of America. Americans have learned to believe possessing a gun is patriotic, and that owning a gun makes for a better country. It is a flawed and absurd concept.
And given that the number of mass killings is rising dramatically, what sort of nation will your great grandchildren live in in a hundred years time?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 07:33:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 07:33:35 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 07:57:02 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 07:57:02 PM
So, what was a nutjob doing with an AR15 and bag full of ammunition?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 08:04:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 08:04:07 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 09:46:36 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 09:46:36 PM
But he bought an AR15 legally.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 15, 2018, 10:19:25 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 15, 2018, 10:19:25 PM
He wasn't allowed to buy beer.Quote from: "Bricktop"
But he bought an AR15 legally.
I've always said, if a man is old enough to go to war, he is old enough to drink. That doesnt apply to all mind you.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 15, 2018, 10:20:20 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 15, 2018, 10:20:20 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 10:56:12 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 10:56:12 PM
He wasn't allowed to buy beer.Quote from: "Bricktop"
But he bought an AR15 legally.
I've always said, if a man is old enough to go to war, he is old enough to drink. That doesnt apply to all mind you.
Not, apparently, in Florida.
Even the mad can buy guns...but I bet if he walked into a bar, he'd be asked to show ID.
It's pure, unmitigated madness.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:12:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:12:38 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:18:52 PM
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:18:52 PM
I read another red flag about the shooter; he was associated with a white supremacist organization.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I have heard no mention of this. I suspect it is from someone running of the mouth.
In fact, from the Tallahassee Democrat:
Local law enforcement sources have so far not found a connection between accused Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz and a Tallahassee-based paramilitary group.
Leon County law enforcement sources told the Tallahassee Democrat that they could not find information linking Cruz, 19, to the Republic of Florida Militia, as first reported by the group's self-proclaimed leader Jordan Jereb.
The claims to the Anti-Defamation League and The Associated Press by ROF leader Jereb, who is no stranger to Tallahassee law enforcement, set off a firestorm Thursday at about midday that Cruz was connected to the alt-right, white nationalist group.
Leon County Sheriff's Office Lt. Grady Jordan said investigative work Thursday did not yield any connections.
"We are still doing some work but we have no known ties between the ROF, Jordan Jereb or the Broward shooter," Jordan said.
As to nutcase:
Obviously he was. However there was no proof of this that I know of, so of course he would be treated like anyone else in any country. ... and the FBI days it was unable to determine who made the damning posting in his name
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:23:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:23:48 PM
A
PARKLAND, Fla.) — The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.
Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press on Thursday that his group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. He said his group holds "spontaneous random demonstrations" and tries not to participate in the modern world.
Jereb said he didn't know Cruz personally and that "he acted on his own behalf of what he just did and he's solely responsible for what he just did."
He also said he had "trouble with a girl" and he believed the timing of the attack, carried out on Valentine's Day, wasn't a coincidence.
Nineteen-year-old Cruz has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder in the shooting.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 11:34:19 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 11:34:19 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
Further down in the Tallahassee Democrat story above: - Jereb did not answer repeated phone calls following law enforcement officials saying they found little to lead them to believe Cruz was connected to the organization which has a scant following of around a dozen members.
In a profanity-laced post hours later on a social media site, an account bearing Jereb's name said the whole thing was a "legit misunderstanding," saying they have more than one member named Nikolas. He also said he not slept "for like 2 days."
Jereb, a self-described "right-wing extremist nut," faced charges in 2016 after threatening a high-ranking staff member of Gov. Rick Scott's office.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 11:40:45 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 11:40:45 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
Yes, the leader of that group did say it. However the cops say not soQuote from: "cc"
Further down in the Tallahassee Democrat story above: - Jereb did not answer repeated phone calls following law enforcement officials saying they found little to lead them to believe Cruz was connected to the organization which has a scant following of around a dozen members.
In a profanity-laced post hours later on a social media site, an account bearing Jereb's name said the whole thing was a "legit misunderstanding," saying they have more than one member named Nikolas. He also said he not slept "for like 2 days."
Jereb, a self-described "right-wing extremist nut," faced charges in 2016 after threatening a high-ranking staff member of Gov. Rick Scott's office.
Okay, thanks cc..
All the news I'm reading now says he was a white nationalist.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:47:50 PM
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:47:50 PM
It still could be - Cops said they had checked that out and found no connection "so far"
Well, there's a witness you can rely on...Quote from: "Bricktop"
Yes. That was my and the news's point.
It gets better, lol:
Same article:
Jereb (group leader", if there even is a "group") is known to ride a bike through neighborhoods wearing paramilitary garb and stand at the side of the road with an ROF flag. He has filmed numerous run-ins with law enforcement in Tallahassee in which he consistently tells officers when he is stopped, "I'm a free man traveling the land."
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 11:49:01 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 15, 2018, 11:49:01 PM
I read another red flag about the shooter; he was associated with a white supremacist organization.Quote from: "Fashionista"
the local law enforcement are saying that is not true.
EDIT I see CC mentioned this above
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:54:02 PM
Post by: cc on February 15, 2018, 11:54:02 PM
and still NOTHING on Vegas
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 11:59:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 15, 2018, 11:59:33 PM
What more is there to know?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 16, 2018, 12:02:42 AM
Post by: cc on February 16, 2018, 12:02:42 AM
Responsibility of authorities to inform its public of what they have found re: "motive" and other relevant items has nothing to do with whether perp is dead or alive
Responsibility of authorities to inform its public of what they have found re: "motive" and other relevant items has nothing to do with whether perp is dead or alive
I'm not trying to knock thread off course, but I find the contrast with the Vegas goofballs .. I mean Keystone Cops ... I mean authorities .. to be striking!!
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 12:11:23 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 12:11:23 AM
And the total population of the Northern Territory is around 100,000 people. Thus you ignored the most salient point; "It's a combination of factors," Mr Willis said. "Where you have a relatively small number of homicides within the context of a small population, it will give you a very high rate." Nor does it say anywhere that these murders were perpetrated by using firearms. In fact most were perpetrated by battery, with or without weapons.
There are more people killed there even though they don;t have access to guns, why is that? because there are other reasons other than access to guns that make for high homicide rates. That's basically my point. If people really want to kill other people they don't need guns to do it, they'll find another way. I don't think someone being stabbed to death or beaten to death is any better than being shot to death
For the most part the US murder rate has gone down steadily since the 90s. Whereas access to a gun has become increased. Just more proof that there is way more involved in murder rates than just gun access.And given that the number of mass killings is rising dramatically, what sort of nation will your great grandchildren live in in a hundred years time?Quote from: "Bricktop"
BTW Mexico has stricter gun laws than the US, but their murder rate is over 20, that's four times higher than the US.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 12:27:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 12:27:40 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 01:07:36 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 01:07:36 AM
You are on the right track Wazzzup. Manitoba and Saskatchewan have the highest murder rates for provinces in Canada. Guess which two provinces also happen to have the highest percentage of Aboriginals?Quote from: "Herman"http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal12b-eng.htm
Just looked it up
The highest number of homicides involving an Aboriginal victim was reported in Saskatchewan (36), followed by Alberta (31) and Manitoba (27).
Among those three,the rate of homicide among Aboriginal people was highest in Saskatchewan (18.88), .
Compare that 18.88 number to canada's overall rate of 1.8, and you see once again that demographics have a huge impact when it comes to murder and crime rates.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 01:11:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 01:11:21 AM
You are on the right track Wazzzup. Manitoba and Saskatchewan have the highest murder rates for provinces in Canada. Guess which two provinces also happen to have the highest percentage of Aboriginals?Quote from: "Herman"http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal12b-eng.htm
Just looked it up
The highest number of homicides involving an Aboriginal victim was reported in Saskatchewan (36), followed by Alberta (31) and Manitoba (27).
Among those three,the rate of homicide among Aboriginal people was highest in Saskatchewan (18.88),
Compare that 18.88 number to canada's overall rate of 1.8, and you see once again that demographics have a huge impact when it comes to murder and crime rates.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/homicide-rate-canada-manitoba-1.4413936
But, it's racist to talk about the root problem of violence in Native communities. Let's stick our heads in the sand and blame guns and white people.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 01:26:29 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 01:26:29 AM
So take from that what you will.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 01:27:54 AM
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 01:27:54 AM
Maybe the kid ate a Tide pod.Quote from: "Blazor"
Kinda weird how they have all the kids fleeing with their hands in the air.
I seen somewhere else where he was recently getting mental help. Thats a flag too. Mental = no guns here.
If the NSA spies on us, and the FBI was on to him, this shit should not of happened. Why do we allow the NSA to spy on us if they never do shit in the first place other than jacking off to my dick pics I send.
To me, the school security failed. There should of been no way for him to get in there with a rifle. At my son's school he went to, all doors were locked, and only one door to gain entry via a camera and being buzzed in.
Guns dont kill people any differently than any other "tool", its people fucked in the head or just plain bad that do this. Long ago, kids were allowed to take guns to school, now they are "gun free", making them easy prey for anyone with a gun. This goes for areas that guns are more restricted, seems more gun violence happens in those areas, odd dont ya think. "An armed society is a polite society".
Those who advocate for making self defence weapons illegal have just as much blood on their hands as that Cruz kid who pulled the trigger.
They created his killing field with their retarded logic and virtue signalling.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 01:30:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 01:30:34 AM
I don't know why it is Canadian aborginies, Australian Aborgines and American blacks are so much more prone to violence than other groups. Is it culture? genes? one parent families? poverty? drug abuse? alcohol abuse? welfare dependency? I don't know, but I do know other groups can and do make it in western countries, like Nigerians, East Indians, Chinese, Korean, Japanese etc.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
So take from that what you will.
Some of those plus isolation and a really high rate of sexual abuse for Aboriginal females in Western Canada. So many Indian girls are diddled by their dads, brothers, uncles, and whatever man is around them.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 01:34:51 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 01:34:51 AM
The murder rate is only part of the equation.
Please explain to me this; how many would have died in that school if that shithead had no access to firearms?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 16, 2018, 01:52:59 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 16, 2018, 01:52:59 AM
I'd like to know where the shooter got his gun, but the fact remains...
You cannot ever effectively "ban" something that people want. It doesn't work.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 02:06:27 AM
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 02:06:27 AM
Brick, you have to understand... "No access to firearms" is a difficult thing to effectively make happen in a nation such as the US.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
I'd like to know where the shooter got his gun, but the fact remains...
You cannot ever effectively "ban" something that people want. It doesn't work.
You're wasting your time on the hypocrite.
He packed during his time as a cop and he could have downed an intruder or assailant, but not you or me Mel.
There are special people and then there are the rest of us who have to be robbed, maimed, or killed so that one of the special people can take photos and notes after arriving way to late to stop it all from happening.
He is a first class human being in his mind and everybody else isn't.
Little does he realize, he's not only a hypocrite, he's a coward. Pure scum.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 02:42:53 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 02:42:53 AM
Bitch words don't count on the internet, shitwick.
Only face to face.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 03:07:11 AM
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 03:07:11 AM
You're total weaksauce. I'm surprised you passed any psych test. A total bobblehead.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 16, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 16, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Federal law dictates that you have to be 21 to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer, but 18 to purchase one from an unlicensed dealer who operates online or at a registered gunshow. That is something that congress can change and now.Quote from: "seoulbro"
He didnt have a handgun did he? It was an AR15.
Not everywhere is safe, I see nothing wrong with an 18 year old having a handgun if they are responsible. I carried one when I drove a taxi or up in the woods camping.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 16, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 16, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
You guys are muddying the waters.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The murder rate is only part of the equation.
Please explain to me this; how many would have died in that school if that shithead had no access to firearms?
Hard to say, he may of showed up with a samurai sword and just started swinging at kids.... or even a bomb.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Federal law dictates that you have to be 21 to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer, but 18 to purchase one from an unlicensed dealer who operates online or at a registered gunshow. That is something that congress can change and now.Quote from: "seoulbro"
He didnt have a handgun did he? It was an AR15.
Not everywhere is safe, I see nothing wrong with an 18 year old having a handgun if they are responsible. I carried one when I drove a taxi or up in the woods camping.
Do you mean you can buy an AR15 at age eighteen from a licensed dealer?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 12:07:36 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 12:07:36 PM
You guys are muddying the waters.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The murder rate is only part of the equation.
Please explain to me this; how many would have died in that school if that shithead had no access to firearms?
Hard to say, he may of showed up with a samurai sword and just started swinging at kids.... or even a bomb.
Or just buy a gun illegally from the darkweb like lots of Australians are doing
BTW Drugs are illegal, how are so many people getting them?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 16, 2018, 12:18:36 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 16, 2018, 12:18:36 PM
Federal law dictates that you have to be 21 to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer, but 18 to purchase one from an unlicensed dealer who operates online or at a registered gunshow. That is something that congress can change and now.Quote from: "seoulbro"
He didnt have a handgun did he? It was an AR15.
Not everywhere is safe, I see nothing wrong with an 18 year old having a handgun if they are responsible. I carried one when I drove a taxi or up in the woods camping.
Do you mean you can buy an AR15 at age eighteen from a licensed dealer?
Its considered a rifle, so I believe so.
Here, its 18 for a rifle. Have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but you can be 18 and carry one or buy one from Joe Blow. Legal to carry any gun allowed by law at 18.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
Federal law dictates that you have to be 21 to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer, but 18 to purchase one from an unlicensed dealer who operates online or at a registered gunshow. That is something that congress can change and now.Quote from: "seoulbro"
He didnt have a handgun did he? It was an AR15.
Not everywhere is safe, I see nothing wrong with an 18 year old having a handgun if they are responsible. I carried one when I drove a taxi or up in the woods camping.
I missed the handgun part. I go to Florida every year and I know it's not too difficult for an American to buy a firearm if they don't have a criminal record. Oh and the mental health background checks are a joke. But, Florida governor, Rick Scott says he he is going to toughen that up some how.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 16, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
Well, no matter how anyone feels about gun control, if you take a look at several news stories you can see the FBI really messed this up. They could have stopped this guy, and they didn't.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Who does the crazy checks?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 16, 2018, 05:26:38 PM
Post by: cc on February 16, 2018, 05:26:38 PM
Doesn't help now of course.
There are so many internet threats it must be a maze to figure who is serious and in cases like this where the person posted from
Stories about nazi group and gas mask were debunked by Sheriff today - He and his people are a MAJOR contrast with and refreshing compared to the cover-up sluts of Vegas
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 06:23:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 06:23:14 PM
During briefing today, FBI owned up to not contacting Florida police and not following upQuote from: "cc"
Doesn't help now of course.
There are so many internet threats it must be a maze to figure who is serious and in cases like this where the person posted from
Stories about nazi group and gas mask were debunked by Sheriff today - He and his people are a MAJOR contrast with and refreshing compared to the cover-up sluts of Vegas
Does the background check go through Florida police or the FBI?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: kiebers on February 16, 2018, 07:04:36 PM
Post by: kiebers on February 16, 2018, 07:04:36 PM
Does the background check go through Florida police or the FBI?
It is a federal check and the FBI handles it.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Does the background check go through Florida police or the FBI?
It is a federal check and the FBI handles it.
Okay, thank you kiebers..
But, they must have only checked if he had a criminal record.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 07:16:15 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 07:16:15 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 08:37:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 08:37:09 PM
During briefing today, FBI owned up to not contacting Florida police and not following upQuote from: "cc"
Doesn't help now of course.
There are so many internet threats it must be a maze to figure who is serious and in cases like this where the person posted from
Stories about nazi group and gas mask were debunked by Sheriff today - He and his people are a MAJOR contrast with and refreshing compared to the cover-up sluts of Vegas
On January 5 a call was made to the FBI about Cruz's gun ownership and that he was going to be a school shooter. The FBI has received twenty alerts about Cruz.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 09:03:40 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 16, 2018, 09:03:40 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
I suspect someone's ass is approaching a rather large fire...Quote from: "Bricktop"
More than one head needs to roll. The FBI did not do their jobs.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 11:41:22 PM
Post by: Frood on February 16, 2018, 11:41:22 PM
I suspect someone's ass is approaching a rather large fire...Quote from: "Bricktop"
More than one head needs to roll. The FBI did not do their jobs.
I suspect that the FBI doesn't mind turning a blind eye when it doesn't suit their agenda or furthers it.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 11:43:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2018, 11:43:33 PM
I suspect someone's ass is approaching a rather large fire...Quote from: "Bricktop"
More than one head needs to roll. The FBI did not do their jobs.
I suspect that the FBI doesn't mind turning a blind eye when it doesn't suit their agenda or furthers it.
What are you saying? They want these mass killings because it puts pressure on Washington to tighten gun ownership laws?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 16, 2018, 11:46:52 PM
Post by: cc on February 16, 2018, 11:46:52 PM
I suspect someone's ass is approaching a rather large fire...Quote from: "Bricktop"
More than one head needs to roll. The FBI did not do their jobs.
After 8 years of being dumbed down, filled with slugs at high levels so it could be turned into a political machine,
they CAN'T
The "swamp" is deep and will take HUGE effort and determination to drain and fill with good people near the top
And it ain't just the FBI that has been filled with slugs / hacks and made impotent to do its originally intended job
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 12:09:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 12:09:03 AM
I suspect someone's ass is approaching a rather large fire...Quote from: "Bricktop"
More than one head needs to roll. The FBI did not do their jobs.
After 8 years of being dumbed down, filled with slugs at high levels so it could be turned into a political machine,
they CAN'T
The "swamp" is deep and will take HUGE effort and determination to drain and fill with good people near the top
And it ain't just the FBI that has been filled with slugs / hacks and made impotent to do its originally intended job
I don't believe the FBI deliberately ignored all the reports on Nik Cruz hoping he would help their agenda when he shot up a school. Not without solid proof.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 17, 2018, 12:11:12 AM
Post by: Frood on February 17, 2018, 12:11:12 AM
I suspect someone's ass is approaching a rather large fire...Quote from: "Bricktop"
More than one head needs to roll. The FBI did not do their jobs.
I suspect that the FBI doesn't mind turning a blind eye when it doesn't suit their agenda or furthers it.
What are you saying? They want these mass killings because it puts pressure on Washington to tighten gun ownership laws?
Pretty much. The FBI is full of lefty leaning throwbacks and not only that, their agency would grow immensely if gun ownership became Australianized and nobody in the US could defend themselves, thus consigned to being mutilated, robbed, killed, or all the above while they try to dial 000 (911) and hope that a paddywagon is close enough, though they rarely break the five minute barrier at best, even with carnage.
Then there is the NSA, CIA, and other big brother shadow groups who in many cases have more intel than the FBI but can piggyback off the domestic realm of the FBI, officially, instead of hand feeding the FBI when and where they care to, unofficially because 'national security'.
Maybe one day North America can get to where Australia is at and any police bust and subsequent home visit turns up cash and kitchen, collector, or gardening implements. Four obvious signs of criminality broadcast on every government sponsored and commercial news channel before a court date is set.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 01:11:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 01:11:58 AM
I suspect someone's ass is approaching a rather large fire...Quote from: "Bricktop"
More than one head needs to roll. The FBI did not do their jobs.
After 8 years of being dumbed down, filled with slugs at high levels so it could be turned into a political machine,
they CAN'T
The "swamp" is deep and will take HUGE effort and determination to drain and fill with good people near the top
And it ain't just the FBI that has been filled with slugs / hacks and made impotent to do its originally intended job
I don't believe the FBI deliberately ignored all the reports on Nik Cruz hoping he would help their agenda when he shot up a school. Not without solid proof.
Do you really think it's that far fetched. One good thing that has come out of the Trump-Russia collusion bullshit is that it has exposed what a corrupt partisan organization it is.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:01:06 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:01:06 AM
I suspect that the FBI doesn't mind turning a blind eye when it doesn't suit theiragenda or furthers it.
BINGO!!!
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:06:14 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:06:14 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
CC and Dinky are not far off. This is why a lot of times conspiracy theorists believe a lot of these things are false flags, because agents are sometimes put in to make it seem either worse or more believable to the dumbed down public. Im not saying that some of these whack jobs are put out their by them, or that its all part of an alphabet group scheme, but their hands are in the dirty water, and its time to drain that shit.Quote from: "Blazor"
I won't comment on whether the FBI refusal to investigate was motivated by agenda..
But, they didn't do what they are paid to do.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:19:45 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:19:45 AM
I won't comment on whether the FBI refusal to investigate was motivated by agenda..
But, they didn't do what they are paid to do.
This is true, especially with all the red flags and intel that was brought to the table.
Of course Im not saying that IS what they done, but its not too far fetched. I've seen some shit over the years. Did you know the government made a law that legally allows them to kill up to 3000 civilians at any one instance? This is a fact! I found it years ago, but due to censorship by google these days, I've had a hard time finding it again. Death toll on 9/11 was a hair under 3000. I imagine over the years they may have even raised that number due to population increase.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 11:25:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 11:25:00 AM
I won't comment on whether the FBI refusal to investigate was motivated by agenda..
But, they didn't do what they are paid to do.
This is true, especially with all the red flags and intel that was brought to the table.
Of course Im not saying that IS what they done, but its not too far fetched. I've seen some shit over the years. Did you know the government made a law that legally allows them to kill up to 3000 civilians at any one instance? This is a fact! I found it years ago, but due to censorship by google these days, I've had a hard time finding it again. Death toll on 9/11 was a hair under 3000. I imagine over the years they may have even raised that number due to population increase.
Under what circumstances would that be? Domestic insurgency?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:32:51 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:32:51 AM
Under what circumstances would that be? Domestic insurgency?
I dont think so, I read one case where they were using experimental air borne toxins that killed thousands of birds in one area. The scientist that tried to expose what was going on was killed and found in a landfill.
Its an insurance for their experiments and such. Not only can they legally lie, but legally kill too.
Im not making this up I promise.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
Under what circumstances would that be? Domestic insurgency?
I dont think so, I read one case where they were using experimental air borne toxins that killed thousands of birds in one area. The scientist that tried to expose what was going on was killed and found in a landfill.
Its an insurance for their experiments and such. Not only can they legally lie, but legally kill too.
Im not making this up I promise.
Oh my, like the 731 unit.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:53:19 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 11:53:19 AM
Oh my, like the 731 unit.
:shock:
I had to look that up, and with a brief peek, it sounds a lot like that.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 12:10:21 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 12:10:21 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
I suspect that the FBI doesn't mind turning a blind eye when it doesn't suit theiragenda or furthers it.
BINGO!!!
Without a smoking gun, it is just civil servants who did not carry out their duties. It's called laziness.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 04:15:32 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 17, 2018, 04:15:32 PM
I suspect that the FBI doesn't mind turning a blind eye when it doesn't suit theiragenda or furthers it.
BINGO!!!
Without a smoking gun, it is just civil servants who did not carry out their duties. It's called laziness.
Thats what we wanna believe Seoul, simple laziness, but we will never know if it was the other case or not.
Now that Hiliar is being exposed, I wonder if any of the "Clinton murders" will be investigated, since shes guilty on other stuff too.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 17, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
Post by: cc on February 17, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
In overall terms the FBI (along with other govt agencies) is a trainwreck at protecting people. It missed major clues at:
Parkland
Charleston
Pulse Nightclub
Fort Hood (where he lectured peers on islamist beliefs and spewed hate in a long powerpoint presentation)
Boston Marathon (where Russia TWICE tried to get the FBI to act)
To name a few.
Sutherland Springs, Texas that the Air Force did not list the shooter's criminal history that would have prevented him from buying a gun
In many cases including the current one, local agencies also do not follow up
As to trainwreck, the same FBI, focused only on stopping one political side from getting power by looking only for collusion, totally missed the entire Russian misinformation thingy - as evidenced by yesterday's indictments
It's time they and other country's agencies get back to protecting the citizens rather than protecting agendas and PCisms and their masters
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 17, 2018, 06:30:04 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 17, 2018, 06:30:04 PM
CC and Dinky are not far off. This is why a lot of times conspiracy theorists believe a lot of these things are false flags, because agents are sometimes put in to make it seem either worse or more believable to the dumbed down public. Im not saying that some of these whack jobs are put out their by them, or that its all part of an alphabet group scheme, but their hands are in the dirty water, and its time to drain that shit.Quote from: "Blazor"
Dude.
Seriously?
You're getting swayed by a deluded cross gender psycho...
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 17, 2018, 06:48:50 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 17, 2018, 06:48:50 PM
2. Fort Hood. In a string of emails sent to the FBI, soldier Nidal Hasan openly admitted that he wanted his fellow soldiers dead in order to protect the Taliban. Officials failed to intervene, leading to a tragedy that resulted in the death of 31 Americans.
3. NYC Bomber. Third on this list is NYC bomber Ahmad Khan Rahami, whose own father alerted officials of the radicalization of his son. After a brief interview, Rahami was cleared by FBI officials, though he eventually injured 31 people between New Jersey and New York.
4. Pulse Nightclub. In yet another attack on American soil, 49 people were killed and another 53 wounded after Omar Mateen opened fire through its doors. Despite a 10-month investigation of the would-be shooter — during which he admitted to lying to officials — the FBI decided against taking further action.
5. Garland, Texas. In a recent report from CBS, the FBI had an undercover agent traveling with Islamists Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi for intel on a pending attack during a "Draw Muhammad" event in Garland, Texas. Not only did officials know of a pending attack, but have refused to comment on why their agent didn't intervene when the attack took place. Though a security officer was shot, the attackers were killed before they could harm any others.
An honorable mention may also be had with the South Carolina massacre at the hands of Dylann Roof, who was allegedly cleared by the FBI to buy firearms. Then-director of the FBI James Comey admitted that it was merely an error in the background check system that eventually allowed Roof to kill nine parishioners in cold blood.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
1. Boston. According to reports, the FBI and U.S. law enforcement were sent, via Russia, a warning about bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The FBI allegedly interviewed the suspect and let him go, even opting against investigating him later after a second warning swept through the department from Russian officials. The bombing left three dead and 16 injured.
2. Fort Hood. In a string of emails sent to the FBI, soldier Nidal Hasan openly admitted that he wanted his fellow soldiers dead in order to protect the Taliban. Officials failed to intervene, leading to a tragedy that resulted in the death of 31 Americans.
3. NYC Bomber. Third on this list is NYC bomber Ahmad Khan Rahami, whose own father alerted officials of the radicalization of his son. After a brief interview, Rahami was cleared by FBI officials, though he eventually injured 31 people between New Jersey and New York.
4. Pulse Nightclub. In yet another attack on American soil, 49 people were killed and another 53 wounded after Omar Mateen opened fire through its doors. Despite a 10-month investigation of the would-be shooter — during which he admitted to lying to officials — the FBI decided against taking further action.
5. Garland, Texas. In a recent report from CBS, the FBI had an undercover agent traveling with Islamists Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi for intel on a pending attack during a "Draw Muhammad" event in Garland, Texas. Not only did officials know of a pending attack, but have refused to comment on why their agent didn't intervene when the attack took place. Though a security officer was shot, the attackers were killed before they could harm any others.
An honorable mention may also be had with the South Carolina massacre at the hands of Dylann Roof, who was allegedly cleared by the FBI to buy firearms. Then-director of the FBI James Comey admitted that it was merely an error in the background check system that eventually allowed Roof to kill nine parishioners in cold blood.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 17, 2018, 08:15:23 PM
Post by: cc on February 17, 2018, 08:15:23 PM
And if I recall it correctly it was local cops and a swat team who saved the day & killed them dead before they could get into the building
I tend to fight conspiracy minds but this one gives me pause as it was intended victims who were not liked by the then leadership and how the hell did they get to start acting when they were being surveilled, had a plant within them, and the location and time of the event were absolute "known's"
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 17, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 17, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
So, the FBI receives "information". Then what?
If no crime is committed, and they cannot PROVE a crime is imminent, what should they do? Remember, anything a law enforcement agency does must comply with the law, and every exercise of their authority is subject to judicial appeal. EVERY exercise. So, they receive "information", attend a suspects house who vehemently denies that he plans to shoot up a school.
They seize his firearms, and he lodges an application for their return, where the FBI MUST prove that the suspect is a threat.
Its easy to say "The law enforcement agency should have acted"...but if the LAW ties their hands behind their back, there is little they can do.
Be wary of blaming the police for inaction. There may be deeper reasons that prevent these crimes from being committed. And taking away a person's right is always contentious.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 17, 2018, 08:25:34 PM
Post by: cc on February 17, 2018, 08:25:34 PM
In this case the FBI has admitted openly they screwed up by not even informing their Florida office ... adding that "they should have done so" .. thus it's not speculation that they screwed up big time on this one
And then there is Garland
Remember. "Someone" had 8 years destroy the FBI and replace good people with "his" kind of people at the top for self-serving purposes .. as evidenced by constant revelations of late.
It ain't at all what it was before that
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 17, 2018, 10:11:19 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 17, 2018, 10:11:19 PM
What I DO know is that receiving information from a member of the public is not in and of itself authority to take a suspects rights away.
Informants are everywhere, but even when you know they are right, exercising authority that will stand the test of a courtroom is problematic at best. And remember, very few informants can or will give evidence.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 20, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
Post by: realgrimm on February 20, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
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Or just substituted Russia collusion for school shooting when they called the FBI.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 20, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 20, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Heads must roll, and changes made.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 20, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
Post by: cc on February 20, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
Or just substituted Russia collusion for school shooting when they called the FBI.Quote from: "Herman"
That is too spot on
They really screwed the pooch on this one.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Heads must roll, and changes made.
Yes, they must.
Everything put together, there is nothing left of the FBI as a protector of the people
O loaded it with his slugs at and near the top and
Never mind "drain the swamp" .. that's far too slow. T better flush the toilet, and NOW
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 06:58:08 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 06:58:08 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:05:52 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:05:52 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:10:44 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:10:44 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:20:05 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 07:20:05 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 07:24:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 07:24:13 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 07:35:17 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 07:35:17 PM
William Cooper's "Behold A Pale Horse"Quote from: "realgrimm"
I've seen some of his stuff when I use to be big into conspiracy theories. He knew his shit.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 07:39:27 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 07:39:27 PM
There is no shortage of conspiracy theories in your country. 9/11 was a government black flag operation. The Russians helped Trump. There was more than one shooter when Kennedy was shot.
Jesus.
What is wrong with you people?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
Dude, seriously?Quote from: "Bricktop"
There is no shortage of conspiracy theories in your country. 9/11 was a government black flag operation. The Russians helped Trump. There was more than one shooter when Kennedy was shot.
Jesus.
What is wrong with you people?
Wait a minute now, the Russians didnt help Trump
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 08:05:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 08:05:28 PM
The 18-year-old Maryland high school student accused of taking a loaded handgun and knife to school in Montgomery County, Maryland, last week, had a weapons cache at his home, including an AR-15-style rifle, multiple grenades, a detonator for C4 land mines, more guns, tactical vest, and a list of grievances, prosecutors said.
Multiple grenades and C4 landmines.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 08:18:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 08:18:13 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on February 22, 2018, 12:59:08 AM
Post by: realgrimm on February 22, 2018, 12:59:08 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 02:28:36 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 02:28:36 PM
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Peterson, who was armed when gunman Nikolas Cruz opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, "never went in[to]" the building that was under attack. He said the school resource officer instead took up a position viewing the western entrance of the building.
Israel said he was "devastated, sick to my stomach" after learning of Peterson's inaction during the school shooting that left 17 people dead. The sheriff said he believes Peterson remained outside the building for roughly four minutes, while the shooting in total lasted around six minutes. Israel said the officer never fired his weapon.
"What matters is that when we, in law enforcement, arrive at an active shooter, we go in and address the target," the sheriff said. "And that's what should've been done."
When asked what Peterson should have done, Israel said the deputy should have "went in, addressed the killer, killed the killer."
He added: "There are no words. I mean, these families lost their children...I've been to the funerals...I've been to the vigils. It's just, ah, there are no words."
Peterson resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said.
Officer Tim Burton of the Coral Springs Police Department, who responded to the shooting, told the New York Times that Peterson "was seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell."
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 03:04:43 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 03:04:43 PM
And people think I'M crazy???Quote from: "Bricktop"
Good point. However, we must allow that everything is "relative"
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 03:38:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 03:38:27 PM
[Quote from: "cc"The conspiracy crap for this and many other items is both embarrassing and vomit educing] So - There was an armed deputy there and he hid out.(//http)
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Peterson, who was armed when gunman Nikolas Cruz opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, "never went in[to]" the building that was under attack. He said the school resource officer instead took up a position viewing the western entrance of the building.
Israel said he was "devastated, sick to my stomach" after learning of Peterson's inaction during the school shooting that left 17 people dead. The sheriff said he believes Peterson remained outside the building for roughly four minutes, while the shooting in total lasted around six minutes. Israel said the officer never fired his weapon.
"What matters is that when we, in law enforcement, arrive at an active shooter, we go in and address the target," the sheriff said. "And that's what should've been done."
When asked what Peterson should have done, Israel said the deputy should have "went in, addressed the killer, killed the killer."
He added: "There are no words. I mean, these families lost their children...I've been to the funerals...I've been to the vigils. It's just, ah, there are no words."
Peterson resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said.
Officer Tim Burton of the Coral Springs Police Department, who responded to the shooting, told the New York Times that Peterson "was seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell."
[And it took this long for a "apparent" upfront sheriff to say this - even though he had to know it from the gitgo ... pffft]
This is inexcusable, but ignoring all the warnings to the police and his mental health background check is what's the most disturbing in my opinion..
He never would have made it to the school with a rifle had law enforcement did it's job.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 04:25:29 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 04:25:29 PM
Further - This deputy on the scene called in a description of the shooter? So he saw the shooter and did nothing?
While his union chief did not attack him, even he did say "But Bell — while not condemning the deputy — proposed that it was an error not to engage the suspect, whom authorities identified as Nikolas Cruz, a 19-year-old former student of the school.
"We have to act, even if that means risking our lives to save many many more lives. I would demand that from our union members," the union official told the Post."
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:30:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:30:46 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:37:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:37:12 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:48:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:48:26 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 06:13:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 06:13:16 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
A quick search idicates that is misleading Herman.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Proponents of possessing guns are prone to do that, as we have witnessed repeatedly in this forum over the past week or so.
Relying on memes is also a flawed argument.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 07:05:25 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 07:05:25 PM
[Quote from: "cc"The conspiracy crap for this and many other items is both embarrassing and vomit educing] So - There was an armed deputy there and he hid out.(//http)
So, you're a 54 year old deputy, and you hear gunfire. I imagine that most Americans can discern from the noise the category of weapon that is being used.
It would have been immediately apparent that whoever is shooting is using a high powered, semi automatic assault or military rifle.
You look at your 9mm pistol...maybe a .357...and realise that you are vastly outgunned. I can assure you that any cop would hesitate before going in blind with a pistol up against an AR15. Its a suicide mission. Accuracy, fire rate and stopping power are all on the villains side.
It is somewhat disingeuous to criticise this man, when you arm him with a relative pea shooter, and arm the perpetrator with a military rifle.
Who amongst YOU would cast the first stone.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 07:33:28 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 07:33:28 PM
[Quote from: "cc"The conspiracy crap for this and many other items is both embarrassing and vomit educing] So - There was an armed deputy there and he hid out.(//http)
So, you're a 54 year old deputy, and you hear gunfire. I imagine that most Americans can discern from the noise the category of weapon that is being used.
It would have been immediately apparent that whoever is shooting is using a high powered, semi automatic assault or military rifle.
You look at your 9mm pistol...maybe a .357...and realise that you are vastly outgunned. I can assure you that any cop would hesitate before going in blind with a pistol up against an AR15. Its a suicide mission. Accuracy, fire rate and stopping power are all on the villains side.
It is somewhat disingeuous to criticise this man, when you arm him with a relative pea shooter, and arm the perpetrator with a military rifle.
Who amongst YOU would cast the first stone.
A pistol is a semi auto weapon just as an AR 15 is, the only advantage to an AR15 is better aiming at a distance, and more bullets in the magazine (of course the shooter may have used them up). OTOH the cop would have had the element of surprise on a distracted shooter.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: kiebers on February 23, 2018, 07:56:07 PM
Post by: kiebers on February 23, 2018, 07:56:07 PM
He had a sworn duty to protect. He didn't. When children are being killed...you can't wait, you have to act. No different than what a parent would do for their own child in other situations. Sorry I can't give him a pass on this.
I guess I look at it as, if I were to see a child about to get hit by a car and I knew I would be hit and maimed or killed if I pushed it out of the way, I know I would do my best to save the child and take my chances knowing I did the best I could. School shooting would be no different.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 23, 2018, 08:34:02 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 23, 2018, 08:34:02 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
He was a 30 year veteran of the Broward County Sheriff's department. In 2015 he responded to a call in a cafeteria, grabbed his gun, pursued 4 and apprehended 2 so not just a public relations operative. You don't get issued a weapon without having some kind of proficiency with it.Quote from: "kiebers"
He had a sworn duty to protect. He didn't. When children are being killed...you can't wait, you have to act. No different than what a parent would do for their own child in other situations. Sorry I can't give him a pass on this.
I guess I look at it as, if I were to see a child about to get hit by a car and I knew I would be hit and maimed or killed if I pushed it out of the way, I know I would do my best to save the child and take my chances knowing I did the best I could. School shooting would be no different.
Then why did he hold back this time?
I do not give him a pass...or fail...and none of you have the right either. I think my point, poorly made, obviously, is that its easy to be armchair warriors. Unless and until you have been in a similar situation, you have no right or reason to be critical.
The deputy is not the problem. The government is the problem, allowing nutjobs and criminals to LEGALLY buy firearms more powerful than those issued to police officers.
I wasn't there, and I don't know the circumstances. Neither do you. But I guarantee you this. The majority of you in a similar situation would probably do what he did...with the addition of pissing your pants...when you realise that the chances of you taking down a maniac with an AR15 are slim to none, and then he will simply resume his killing spree. And I don't know about the US, who seem to think everybody should be a hero, just like in the movies, but here the patrol officers are trained to respond and contain until the correct response team arrives. They are neither equipped nor trained to deal with situations such as that.
Given that most Americans are educated by your TV shows...ever wonder why SWAT teams turn up to an armed offender with heavy firepower, shields, gas, snipers and ballistic helmets?
And you expect ONE man with a pistol to do what THEY are trained to do.
Maybe you, or I, would have acted differently. Frankly, I doubt that most of you would even put yourself in that potential situation. You drive trucks and trains, work in an office, or sell insurance. You have no right to judge.
The American government has created the environment that leads to cops saying "I can't do anything, I might get killed".
Walking into a situation where you may well be killed may make for good TV. But until you've been in that situation and put YOUR life on the line, you don't know what you're talking about.
I feel sorry for the guy...because the government creates these scenarios, and American movie mentality demands everyone has to be a hero.
And in addition...would there be the same hysteria if the cop was a female??
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 09:16:29 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 09:16:29 PM
Nikolas Cruz will 'get into a school and just shoot the place up,' FBI caller reportedly said
In the Jan. 5 tip received by the FBI on Nikolas Cruz, a female caller claimed that the 19-year-old school shooter was "so outraged" she feared he would "get into a school and just shoot the place up," according to call transcripts viewed by The Wall Street Journal.
The call was placed by a person close to Cruz through the FBI's Public Access Line (PAL) tip line last month to report concerns of his erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts. The bureau admitted to receiving the call from the unidentified woman.
The woman told the operator that she knew Cruz
"It's alarming to see these pictures and to know what he's capable of doing and what could happen," the caller said. "He's [been] thrown out of all these schools because he would pick up a chair and just throw it at somebody, a teacher or a student, because he didn't like the way they were talking to him."
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The woman also told of Cruz's alleged interest in hunting knives and how he would cut up animals, including frogs and birds, according to the outlet.
One time, "he brought the bird into the house," she said on the call, and reportedly started dissecting it on his mother's counter. When his mother probed him about it, he allegedly said, 'I want to see what's inside,'" The Journal reported.
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
Ain't judging easy...
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
As to the cop part of it in isolation, even his union leader (protector) said he HAD TO act
As evidenced so many times in the past, many civilians with a gun who found themselves in that exact situation would have acted.
This whole thing is a chain of abject failure top to bottom
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: kiebers on February 23, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
Post by: kiebers on February 23, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
And its all the fault of a cop with a pistol.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Ain't judging easy...
You already judged the FBI, and rightly so. But you are defending what he did. Strange. You're standing there at a school with a gun and there is an active shooter inside. No way you can convince me you would not go in regardless of weaponry. We may be on the outs but I know you well enough to know that.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 10:04:23 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 10:04:23 PM
When firefighters see a burning a building with people in it just say, "nah its too hot in there, I might get hurt, let 'em burn"
Soldiers too "what? you want me to go into battle? No way those guys have guns, count me out"
And lets not even talk about about the secret service or the bomb squad. Forgetaboutit
Yep become a cop and then when its time to stop a bad guy just say, "naw hell with that, let those kids die, I don't feel like getting hurt."
If you aren't willing to do what a dangerous profession requires. don't sign up for it.
this cop is a cowardly disgrace and I hope people tell him that everywhere he goes till the day he dies.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 10:33:45 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 10:33:45 PM
(CNN)When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building,Quotebut that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered,Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.
With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived. CNN Report Continued ...................(//https)
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 12:23:49 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 12:23:49 AM
Just when you thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous it does.[Quote from: "cc"I won't take a CNN report to the bank, BUT it is not in Fake News Inc.'s blood to not be very certain on a report that does not fit its agenda.] (CNN)When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building,Quotebut that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered,Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.
With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building.Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived. CNN Report Continued ...................(//https)
This is like murphys law- every way law enforcment could have possibly failed it did.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:28:48 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:28:48 AM
And its all the fault of a cop with a pistol.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Ain't judging easy...
You already judged the FBI, and rightly so. But you are defending what he did. Strange. You're standing there at a school with a gun and there is an active shooter inside. No way you can convince me you would not go in regardless of weaponry. We may be on the outs but I know you well enough to know that.
What I would do in the situation is not what you would do. Or Shen Li. Or anyone else.
Its possible that you may have had to work with people who for a variety of reasons, such as PTSD, psychological stress or a change of values in their life have lost their courage. That is different from cowardice.
I am NOT defending what he did...because, I repeat, I was not there and don't have first hand knowledge of the situation. I am telling people to take the same attitude. I've worked with a LOT of cops who walked the walk, but when the heat was on, they went missing. I did not judge any single one of them a coward. Just someone in the wrong job. They have kids, family, a life...if someone put value on that over the lives of others, its on them.
That they should leave the force is indisuptable. That they should be called "coward" by people who've never heard a gunshot up close is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:58:45 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:58:45 AM
maybe a .357...Quote from: "Bricktop"
OK... When were you last on active duty?
.357?
Maybe? Were you ever a cop? Have you served in actual law enforcement in the last, say, 30 fucking years?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 03:04:57 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 03:04:57 AM
A tear rolls down his cheek...
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2018, 11:01:09 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2018, 11:01:09 AM
On another note, kids are taking pistols to school now, I guess for defense. There were 3 incidents this week alone, in local schools in my area, where kids were found with pistols in their backpacks. My son told me.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 01:57:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 01:57:30 PM
This cop could usher in a new standard for the way people in dangerous jobs behaveQuote from: "Wazzzup"
When firefighters see a burning a building with people in it just say, "nah its too hot in there, I might get hurt, let 'em burn"
Soldiers too "what? you want me to go into battle? No way those guys have guns, count me out"
And lets not even talk about about the secret service or the bomb squad. Forgetaboutit
Yep become a cop and then when its time to stop a bad guy just say, "naw hell with that, let those kids die, I don't feel like getting hurt."
If you aren't willing to do what a dangerous profession requires. don't sign up for it.
this cop is a cowardly disgrace and I hope people tell him that everywhere he goes till the day he dies.
I was really surprised too that the policeman did not go in.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
That's what I was thinking. the cop knew the layout of the school. He should be a better shot than the kid, as he should have had training. He could have used clues as to where the shooter was.--like where the unjured and dead were, where the kids were running from, listening to the direction of the shots as they are fired., I would take some kind of course of action, maybe getting the sneak on him somehow. Hard to say as I wasnt there nor know the logistics. Even if the kid had an AR15, it would have to be reloaded at some point.Quote from: "Blazor"
The cop would have had the element of surprise, as the shooter was hunting for student targets. Try and sneak up on him and get a shot around a corner.
And yeah, If I were that cop I would have pissed myself and shit myself and puked too. But I would also know that if I didn't go in there and try and stop it I could never live with myself.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 07:31:22 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 07:31:22 PM
, I would take some kind of course of action, maybe getting the sneak on him somehow. Hard to say as I wasnt there nor know the logistics. Even if the kid had an AR15, it would have to be reloaded at some point.Quote from: "Blazor"
The cop would have had the element of surprise, as the shooter was hunting for student targets. Try and sneak up on him and get a shot around a corner.
And yeah, If I were that cop I would have pissed myself and shit myself and puked too. But I would also know that if I didn't go in there and try and stop it I could never live with myself.
Pretty much every word you wrote is speculative. Reloading an AR15 takes a second...drop out a mag, throw another in there...
A better shot? A "better shot" with a pistol is still vastly outgunned by a semi auto military rifle.
You weren't there. You are not familiar with the situation. You've no validity to make judgments.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 07:36:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 07:36:36 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
, I would take some kind of course of action, maybe getting the sneak on him somehow. Hard to say as I wasnt there nor know the logistics. Even if the kid had an AR15, it would have to be reloaded at some point.Quote from: "Blazor"
The cop would have had the element of surprise, as the shooter was hunting for student targets. Try and sneak up on him and get a shot around a corner.
And yeah, If I were that cop I would have pissed myself and shit myself and puked too. But I would also know that if I didn't go in there and try and stop it I could never live with myself.
Pretty much every word you wrote is speculative. Reloading an AR15 takes a second...drop out a mag, throw another in there...
A better shot? A "better shot" with a pistol is still vastly outgunned by a semi auto military rifle.
You weren't there. You are not familiar with the situation. You've no validity to make judgments.
At close quarters the cop should be a better shot than an untrained kid, and if the kids ammo is in a backpack or on the floor he might have to retrieve it, and the cop has the element of surprise which is a big advantage. But even if thats speculation, and its not how it all would go down, it doesnt matter, if your job is to protect kids, and they are being killed, then you do your fucking job.
While Gym teachers were using their own bodies shielding students from getting shot, while a high school kid held a door open and was shot helping others flee. This cop, who was armed, who was being paid to protect these kids, decided he didn't want to be bothered. I only wish he and the other deputies that didnt go in could be criminally and civilly charged for abandoning those kids to be killed. Just losing their jobs is nowhere near enough punishment. I hope they are shamed as cowards for it for the rest of their lives.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 09:56:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 09:56:03 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
If the FBI and the local cops did their jobs this slaughter would never have happened. Who do the left blame? The NRA.Quote from: "Herman":crazy:
Big corporations are turning on the NRA. Big money means big prog garbage.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 11:06:41 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 11:06:41 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 11:24:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 11:24:33 PM
What has "prog" got to do with it???Quote from: "Bricktop"
The NRA is an anti prog organization.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 11:44:25 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 11:44:25 PM
But I'm not a prog.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 01:40:44 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 01:40:44 AM
If the FBI and the local cops did their jobs this slaughter would never have happened. Who do the left blame? The NRA.Quote from: "Herman":crazy:
Big corporations are turning on the NRA. Big money means big prog garbage.
I remember when progs complained about big corporations, now most big corporations are owned or run by progs. And they are also the ones that take the most action.
The cancer of leftism has metastacized to another organ.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 04:57:07 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 04:57:07 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 02:11:23 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 02:11:23 PM
"If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, OJ Simpson would still be in the record books," he said.
"We understand everything wasn't done perfectly," Israel responded — then added, that's life.
"If it happened in Los Angeles or Chicago or any other city, every person wouldn't have performed perfectly," he said. "That's not what happens."
An incredulous Tapper asked, "Are you really not taking any responsibility for the multiple red flags that were brought to the attention of the Broward sheriff's office about this shooter before this incident, whether it was people near him, close to him calling the police?"
Israel replied, "Jake, I can only take responsibility for what I knew about. I exercised my due diligence.
Tapper shot back, "Amazing leadership?"
Israel then tried to deflect questions about reports that four of his deputies cowered outside the school during the rampage instead of running inside to help the trapped teachers and students. One of them, Scot Peterson, retired after Israel suspended him without pay when his alleged cowardice came to light.
"You don't measure a person's leadership by a deputy not going into [the school]. ... These deputies received the training they needed," Israel said.
"Do I believe if Scot Peterson went into that building and there was a chance he could have neutralized the killer and saved lives, yes. But as far as anything else done at this point. I can't say that."
"On 16 of those cases, our deputies did everything right. Our deputies have done amazing things. ... In five years, we've taken the Broward Sheriff's Department to new levels," he said.
"One person at this point didn't do what he should have done," Israel added. "It's horrific. The victims here, the families, I pray for them every night. It makes me sick in the stomach that we had a deputy who didn't go in."
Israel said an investigation will determine if his deputies remained outside the school.
"Our investigation to this point shows that during this horrific attack, while this killer was inside the school, there was only one law-enforcement person, period," Israel said. "And that was former Deputy Scot Peterson. Coral Springs arrived — a group of Coral Springs officers went in within, I think, about 4 minutes, we're projecting, after the killer left the campus."
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
In a blistering battle with CNN host Jake Tapper on Sunday, Broward County's sheriff refused to step aside in the wake of his department's bungled handling of the Florida school massacre — even insisting at one point that he has provided "amazing leadership."Asked whether the killings at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS might have been averted if his office followed up on a slew of prior calls about the shooter being mentally unhinged, Sheriff Scott Israel responded with an absurd answer.
"If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, OJ Simpson would still be in the record books," he said.Tapper, the anchor of "State of the Union, shot back that he had no idea what that meant and said with 17 dead, did the sheriff think he could have done something differently in light of the all red flags raised about accused shooter Nikolas Cruz.
"We understand everything wasn't done perfectly," Israel responded — then added, that's life.
"If it happened in Los Angeles or Chicago or any other city, every person wouldn't have performed perfectly," he said. "That's not what happens."
An incredulous Tapper asked, "Are you really not taking any responsibility for the multiple red flags that were brought to the attention of the Broward sheriff's office about this shooter before this incident, whether it was people near him, close to him calling the police?"
Israel replied, "Jake, I can only take responsibility for what I knew about. I exercised my due diligence.I've given amazing leadership to this agency."
Tapper shot back, "Amazing leadership?"
Israel then tried to deflect questions about reports that four of his deputies cowered outside the school during the rampage instead of running inside to help the trapped teachers and students. One of them, Scot Peterson, retired after Israel suspended him without pay when his alleged cowardice came to light.
"You don't measure a person's leadership by a deputy not going into [the school]. ... These deputies received the training they needed," Israel said.
"Do I believe if Scot Peterson went into that building and there was a chance he could have neutralized the killer and saved lives, yes. But as far as anything else done at this point. I can't say that."Tapper said Israel's office listed 23 incidents involving Cruz and asked why nothing was done to keep a gun out of his hands, secure the school or keep an eye on him.
"On 16 of those cases, our deputies did everything right. Our deputies have done amazing things. ... In five years, we've taken the Broward Sheriff's Department to new levels," he said.
"One person at this point didn't do what he should have done," Israel added. "It's horrific. The victims here, the families, I pray for them every night. It makes me sick in the stomach that we had a deputy who didn't go in."
Israel said an investigation will determine if his deputies remained outside the school.
"Our investigation to this point shows that during this horrific attack, while this killer was inside the school, there was only one law-enforcement person, period," Israel said. "And that was former Deputy Scot Peterson. Coral Springs arrived — a group of Coral Springs officers went in within, I think, about 4 minutes, we're projecting, after the killer left the campus."
He should be removed from his position immediately.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 05:46:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 05:46:44 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 08:54:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 08:54:43 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
This isn't the first time Israel's agency has encountered trouble over its response to a mass shooting. Months after the Greater Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport shooting, a 2017 Sun-Sentinel investigation revealed that Israel's Broward Sheriff's Office failed to "seize control and set up an effective command system" at the airport. BSO "erred from the very beginning in controlling the shooting scene in the baggage claim area of Terminal 2, where five people died and six others were wounded." The reason, cited in a 99-page draft report by the agency itself, mentioned the sheriff's office's aging radio system, which garbled communications among officers, forcing police to improvise with "hand signals, runners and cellphones."Quote
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
He and his department are massive screwups everyhere you look.Sheriff Israel doesn't seem to know how to manage critical incidents.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"This isn't the first time Israel's agency has encountered trouble over its response to a mass shooting. Months after the Greater Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport shooting, a 2017 Sun-Sentinel investigation revealed that Israel's Broward Sheriff's Office failed to "seize control and set up an effective command system" at the airport. BSO "erred from the very beginning in controlling the shooting scene in the baggage claim area of Terminal 2, where five people died and six others were wounded." The reason, cited in a 99-page draft report by the agency itself, mentioned the sheriff's office's aging radio system, which garbled communications among officers, forcing police to improvise with "hand signals, runners and cellphones."Quotehttp://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-who-is-broward-sheriff-scott-israel-20180223-story.html
BuzzFeed discovers 22 more police calls to Cruz home that @BrowardSheriff never disclosed
According to a BuzzFeed investigation, there are 22 more 911 calls to the home of Parkland, Fla. killer Nikolas Cruz that were never disclosed to the public,Quotewhich would bring the total to at least 45:
Before when Scott Israel was accused of corruption he said "Lions don't care about the opinions of sheep."
he must mean this kind of lion
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 10:11:43 PM
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2018, 10:15:35 PM
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 10:18:49 PM
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2018, 10:21:27 PM
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 10:23:18 PM
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 25, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
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Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 10:53:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 10:53:35 PM
Sheriff Israel doesn't seem to know how to manage critical incidents.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"This isn't the first time Israel's agency has encountered trouble over its response to a mass shooting. Months after the Greater Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport shooting, a 2017 Sun-Sentinel investigation revealed that Israel's Broward Sheriff's Office failed to "seize control and set up an effective command system" at the airport. BSO "erred from the very beginning in controlling the shooting scene in the baggage claim area of Terminal 2, where five people died and six others were wounded." The reason, cited in a 99-page draft report by the agency itself, mentioned the sheriff's office's aging radio system, which garbled communications among officers, forcing police to improvise with "hand signals, runners and cellphones."Quotehttp://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-who-is-broward-sheriff-scott-israel-20180223-story.html
BuzzFeed discovers 22 more police calls to Cruz home that @BrowardSheriff never disclosedhttps://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/25/holy-crap-buzzfeed-discovers-22-more-police-calls-to-cruz-home-that-browardsheriff-never-disclosed/ According to a BuzzFeed investigation, there are 22 more 911 calls to the home of Parkland, Fla. killer Nikolas Cruz that were never disclosed to the public,Quotewhich would bring the total to at least 45:
Before when Scott Israel was accused of corruption he said "Lions don't care about the opinions of sheep."
he must mean this kind of lion(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://image.ibb.co/gyxOLx/cowardly_lion_280x300_280x300.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https) https://imgbb.com/(//https)
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on February 27, 2018, 05:20:09 PM
Post by: cc on February 27, 2018, 05:20:09 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 05:43:18 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 05:43:18 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on February 27, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
Post by: Frood on February 27, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on February 27, 2018, 09:05:55 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 27, 2018, 09:05:55 PM
and the progressive FBI failed
but the progressive school system as well
An Obama-era "no-arrest policy" guideline for school discipline may have hindered the ability of authorities to prevent Nikolas Cruz's mass murder of 17 persons at a Florida high school on February 14, said the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives Richard Corcoran.Quote
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel coordinated with the Broward County Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie to implement a school disciplinary guidelines — entitled the PROMISE program: Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Supports & Education — oriented around racial and ethnic quotas.
also
This is the same school system that let trayvon martin off after being caught with a burglary tool and a more than a dozen items of Jewelry.
If it had not been for this racial quota program cruz would have either been in a jail or had a criminal record and therefore unable to buy a gun legally.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 09:26:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 09:26:24 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 09:44:30 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 09:44:30 PM
Government failure all round.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Who do you work for?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
A seventh-grader who shot and killed himself inside an Ohio middle school restroom last week was planning to shoot others at the school before changing his mind at the last second, a police chief said Thursday.
Police don't know why the attack wasn't carried out and probably never will, the police chief said. "We should thank God every day, whatever made him change his mind," Brink said.
Investigators found messages on his cellphone that showed the teen had been planning an attack for at least a week at Jackson Middle School, near Massillon. He also showed admiration for the two students who carried out the Columbine High School shooting in Colorado nearly 19 years ago.
"I'd hurt and destroy something bigger but my schools an easy target," Simons wrote in one message found on his phone.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on March 02, 2018, 12:20:44 PM
Post by: realgrimm on March 02, 2018, 12:20:44 PM
Ohio teen who killed himself at school planned mass shooting: policeQuote from: "Fashionista"
A seventh-grader who shot and killed himself inside an Ohio middle school restroom last week was planning to shoot others at the school before changing his mind at the last second, a police chief said Thursday.The 13-year-old boy came out of the bathroom holding a semi-automatic rifle just before classes began and then abruptly went back inside and shot himself in the head, said Jackson Township Police Chief Mark Brink.
Police don't know why the attack wasn't carried out and probably never will, the police chief said. "We should thank God every day, whatever made him change his mind," Brink said.
Investigators found messages on his cellphone that showed the teen had been planning an attack for at least a week at Jackson Middle School, near Massillon. He also showed admiration for the two students who carried out the Columbine High School shooting in Colorado nearly 19 years ago.
"I'd hurt and destroy something bigger but my schools an easy target," Simons wrote in one message found on his phone.https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ohio-teen-who-killed-himself-at-school-planned-mass-shooting-police/ar-BBJLXta?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on March 20, 2018, 11:33:31 PM
Post by: cc on March 20, 2018, 11:33:31 PM
deputy suspended for sleeping on job - A student reportedly saw the deputy around 5 p.m. and reported him to a sheriff's office sergeant, who knocked on the car window to wake him up, WSVN reported.
brother of killer forbidden to be on grounds got away with being there 3 times already ... one while deputy slept
The string of incidents came the day after Zachary Cruz — brother of suspected gunman Nikolas Cruz — was arrested for trespassing on Stoneman Douglas property.
Cruz, 18, "unlawfully" skateboarded throughout the campus on Monday. He told officials he wanted to "reflect on the school shooting and to soak it in."
girl pulls knife
and it goes on ... and on ... and on
Broward County can't tie it's shoelaces
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2018, 01:11:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2018, 01:11:43 PM
Stoneman Douglas students arrested for knives,(//http)
deputy suspended for sleeping on job - A student reportedly saw the deputy around 5 p.m. and reported him to a sheriff's office sergeant, who knocked on the car window to wake him up, WSVN reported.
brother of killer forbidden to be on grounds got away with being there 3 times already ... one while deputy slept
The string of incidents came the day after Zachary Cruz — brother of suspected gunman Nikolas Cruz — was arrested for trespassing on Stoneman Douglas property.
Cruz, 18, "unlawfully" skateboarded throughout the campus on Monday. He told officials he wanted to "reflect on the school shooting and to soak it in."
girl pulls knife
and it goes on ... and on ... and on
Broward County can't tie it's shoelaces
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on March 21, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on March 21, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
Speaking during a Twitter Q&A livestream Monday with fellow Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School students, senior David Hogg said Parkland shooting survivors must use their platform to make sure the stories of other students across the country who experience gun violence are also heard.
"There is a lot of racial disparity in the way that this is covered. If this happened in a place of a lower socio-economic status or a place like a black community, no matter how well those people spoke, I don't think the media would cover it the same," Hogg said. "We have to use our white privilege now to make sure that all of the voices — all of the people that have died as a result of this and haven't been covered the same can now be heard. It's sad, but it's true."
Hogg called the disparity in news coverage the "greatest obstacle" the #NeverAgain movement faces.
I guess he doesn't realize that the main people who don't want black crime reported on are black.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2018, 02:05:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2018, 02:05:23 PM
A survivor of last month's shooting at a Florida high school that left 17 people dead said he and fellow students must use their "white privilege" to offset the racial disparity in the way news media covers gun violence.
Speaking during a Twitter Q&A livestream Monday with fellow Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School students, senior David Hogg said Parkland shooting survivors must use their platform to make sure the stories of other students across the country who experience gun violence are also heard.
"There is a lot of racial disparity in the way that this is covered. If this happened in a place of a lower socio-economic status or a place like a black community, no matter how well those people spoke, I don't think the media would cover it the same," Hogg said. "We have to use our white privilege now to make sure that all of the voices — all of the people that have died as a result of this and haven't been covered the same can now be heard. It's sad, but it's true."
Hogg called the disparity in news coverage the "greatest obstacle" the #NeverAgain movement faces.
Not to sound crass, but school mass shootings seem more common in schools where Caucasians are the majority.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Wazzzup on March 21, 2018, 02:16:29 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on March 21, 2018, 02:16:29 PM
A survivor of last month's shooting at a Florida high school that left 17 people dead said he and fellow students must use their "white privilege" to offset the racial disparity in the way news media covers gun violence.
Speaking during a Twitter Q&A livestream Monday with fellow Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School students, senior David Hogg said Parkland shooting survivors must use their platform to make sure the stories of other students across the country who experience gun violence are also heard.
"There is a lot of racial disparity in the way that this is covered. If this happened in a place of a lower socio-economic status or a place like a black community, no matter how well those people spoke, I don't think the media would cover it the same," Hogg said. "We have to use our white privilege now to make sure that all of the voices — all of the people that have died as a result of this and haven't been covered the same can now be heard. It's sad, but it's true."
Hogg called the disparity in news coverage the "greatest obstacle" the #NeverAgain movement faces.
Not to sound crass, but school mass shootings seem more common in schools where Caucasians are the majority.
I suppose the Hoggster is referring to overall gun violence. overall gun crime blacks are about 10 times more likely to murder than whites. Often the media does make more of violence in safe neighborhoods because its less common (man bites dog vs dog bites man) But another force involved is blacks often call up newspapers and complain when crimes committed by blacks make the news.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2018, 02:19:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2018, 02:19:29 PM
I'm sure that's true. I looked it up and I couldn;t find the race of the victims, but the race of the shooters from 1982 to 2018 have been 56 white,A survivor of last month's shooting at a Florida high school that left 17 people dead said he and fellow students must use their "white privilege" to offset the racial disparity in the way news media covers gun violence.
Speaking during a Twitter Q&A livestream Monday with fellow Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School students, senior David Hogg said Parkland shooting survivors must use their platform to make sure the stories of other students across the country who experience gun violence are also heard.
"There is a lot of racial disparity in the way that this is covered. If this happened in a place of a lower socio-economic status or a place like a black community, no matter how well those people spoke, I don't think the media would cover it the same," Hogg said. "We have to use our white privilege now to make sure that all of the voices — all of the people that have died as a result of this and haven't been covered the same can now be heard. It's sad, but it's true."
Hogg called the disparity in news coverage the "greatest obstacle" the #NeverAgain movement faces.
Not to sound crass, but school mass shootings seem more common in schools where Caucasians are the majority.
I suppose the Hoggster is referring to overall gun violence. overall gun crime blacks are about 10 times more likely to murder than whites. Often the media does make more of violence in safe neighborhoods because its less common (man bites dog vs dog bites man) But another force involved is blacks often call up newspapers and complain when crimes committed by blacks make the news.
That surprises me.....I've never heard of an African-American school shooter.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 11:46:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 11:46:28 AM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
Is gun control REALLY a Left vs Right issue?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 08:08:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 08:08:36 PM
Why is it "the left" that is accused of inciting these protests?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Is gun control REALLY a Left vs Right issue?
When Hollyweird and Soros are the sugardaddies, oh fuck yeah.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 08:19:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 08:19:17 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 08:32:00 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 08:32:00 PM
Almost as many as the number of times you declare your departure but fail to carry through.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 08:39:27 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 08:39:27 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 08:46:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 08:46:33 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 08:49:49 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 08:49:49 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on April 07, 2018, 11:03:14 AM
Post by: cc on April 07, 2018, 11:03:14 AM
[This is the kid who stood in front of other students and took 5 shots to protect others]
Anthony Borges, a student who was hailed a hero for shielding his classmates during the school shooting in February, criticized the school superintendent and county sheriff for failing victims of the attack. (AP)
A student who was gravely wounded after being shot five times while shielding classmates during the Florida high school shooting in February criticized the county sheriff and school superintendent Friday saying they failed the victims by not arresting the shooter before the massacre.
Anthony Borges, 15, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., was hailed a hero after he used his body to protect the lives of 20 others students after accused gunman Nikolas Cruz opened fire at the school on Feb. 14, 2018, killing 17 people.
He was released from the hospital Wednesday after suffering wounds to the lungs, abdomen and legs.
Borges' attorney read a statement from the teen during a news conference criticizing Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel and Superintendent Robert Runcie for the massacre. Borges, too weak to talk, sat silently in a wheelchair with his right leg propped up. His statement specifically attacked the Promise program, a school district and sheriff office initiative that allows students who commit minor crimes on campus to avoid arrest if they complete rehabilitation. Runcie has said Cruz, a former Stoneman Douglas student, was never in the program, but Borges and his attorney, Alex Arreaza, said school and sheriff's officials knew Cruz was dangerous.
Runcie and Israel "failed us students, teachers and parents alike on so many levels," Arreaza read for Borges, who sat next to his father, Roger. "I want all of us to move forward to end the environment that allowed people like Nikolas Cruz to fall through the cracks.
You knew he was a problem years ago and you did nothing. He should have never been in school with us."
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on April 07, 2018, 11:15:42 AM
Post by: cc on April 07, 2018, 11:15:42 AM
Superintendent and Sheriff colluded to get maximum funds due to O's federal plan for schools to get money based on number of detentions, dismissals, reported incidents even home incidents etc.
The fewer of those, the more bucks you get ... Simple solution - don't expel .. don't report
Stupid and self serving plan ... stupid and self serving actions ... by stupid and self serving supposed "adults" at ALL levels
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
Police didn't enter the school when the shooter was inside.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Frood on April 07, 2018, 11:35:40 AM
Post by: Frood on April 07, 2018, 11:35:40 AM
Steal money and do nothing.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Trump’s Niece on April 07, 2018, 12:12:58 PM
Post by: Trump’s Niece on April 07, 2018, 12:12:58 PM
Bricktop, you also have to consider the sheer amount of firearms that are floating around in the US. Hundreds of millions of them. Just think about that number for a moment.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Truth
I can go down the street and buy an AR-15 from the local gangbangers. This is America and it won't get any better
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on April 07, 2018, 12:49:43 PM
Post by: cc on April 07, 2018, 12:49:43 PM
The sheriff knew the shooter was dangerous and did nothing..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Police didn't enter the school when the shooter was inside.
And they let perps run free
That's what police do.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Steal money and do nothing.
Not in most places in the US - Most cops are clean and would go after the perp(s)
This is Coward County (see above)
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
And they let perps run freedeliberatelyto get more school money from the Feds ... This is Broward County (see above)
The sheriff should be removed from his job.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 01:14:57 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 01:14:57 PM
sorry Blazor FB vid
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 01:27:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 01:27:47 PM
The Truth Is Out ThereQuote from: "realgrimm"
sorry Blazor FB vidhttps://www.facebook.com/VICEselects/videos/842887565899235/?hc_ref=ARRzfeB7ovbE8Xlhe22LDL6gcyQmiuftJdhOE4pPg7l9NiDPCjOS1K7LdAsi024EY0M
The video is too long.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 01:37:26 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 01:37:26 PM
The Truth Is Out ThereQuote from: "realgrimm"
sorry Blazor FB vidhttps://www.facebook.com/VICEselects/videos/842887565899235/?hc_ref=ARRzfeB7ovbE8Xlhe22LDL6gcyQmiuftJdhOE4pPg7l9NiDPCjOS1K7LdAsi024EY0M
The video is too long.
one sec I'll post some memes..
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:17:43 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:17:43 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:28:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:28:16 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:34:54 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:34:54 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:36:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:36:43 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
its quite common Fash, since the ads can be pulled by OPQuote from: "realgrimm"
Who's paying them?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:51:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:51:03 PM
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Anyone else or any other organization?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:17:18 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:17:18 PM
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Anyone else or any other organization?
What doesn't he own..alt right is his enemy ,he owns the left
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:17:18 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:17:18 PM
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Anyone else or any other organization?
What doesn't he own..alt right is his enemy ,he owns the left
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:17:42 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:17:42 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 03:18:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 03:18:57 PM
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Anyone else or any other organization?
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I was just about to say, he gives money to most prog NGO's.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:31:14 PM
Post by: realgrimm on April 07, 2018, 03:31:14 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Bricktop on April 07, 2018, 08:26:29 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 07, 2018, 08:26:29 PM
If they don't wish to expose their agenda, what are they hiding?
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: cc on May 30, 2018, 08:15:40 PM
Post by: cc on May 30, 2018, 08:15:40 PM
Prosecutors on Wednesday released three chilling videos of Parkland school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz detailing his plans to become famous after plotting to kill people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
"Hello, my name is Nik, and I'm going to be the next school shooter of 2018," Cruz, 19, calmly stated in one of the videos, which appeared to have been filmed on Feb. 14, the day of the mass shooting. The gunman said there was "going to be a big event" at Stoneman Douglas.
Cruz — who shot and killed 17 people and left 17 others injured on Valentine's Day at the Florida high school with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, according to investigators — said his "goal is at least 20 people with an AR-15."
The suspect, who laid out his "plan" for the massacre in one of his videos, was heard saying that when people see him "on the news, you'll all know who I am," before laughing. "You're all going to die. Pew pew pew pew pew. Ah yeah, can't wait."
Cruz also foretold his "plan" of taking an Uber ride to the school around 2:40 p.m. and getting his rifle to "shoot people down."
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2018, 09:23:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2018, 09:23:52 PM
Nikolas Cruz cellphone videos released: 'I'm going to be the next school shooter'(//http)
Prosecutors on Wednesday released three chilling videos of Parkland school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz detailing his plans to become famous after plotting to kill people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
"Hello, my name is Nik, and I'm going to be the next school shooter of 2018," Cruz, 19, calmly stated in one of the videos, which appeared to have been filmed on Feb. 14, the day of the mass shooting. The gunman said there was "going to be a big event" at Stoneman Douglas.
Cruz — who shot and killed 17 people and left 17 others injured on Valentine's Day at the Florida high school with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, according to investigators — said his "goal is at least 20 people with an AR-15."
The suspect, who laid out his "plan" for the massacre in one of his videos, was heard saying that when people see him "on the news, you'll all know who I am," before laughing. "You're all going to die. Pew pew pew pew pew. Ah yeah, can't wait."
Cruz also foretold his "plan" of taking an Uber ride to the school around 2:40 p.m. and getting his rifle to "shoot people down."
Forget banning guns. How about the cops do their fucking iobs.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2018, 10:22:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2018, 10:22:31 PM
Nikolas Cruz cellphone videos released: 'I'm going to be the next school shooter'(//http)
Prosecutors on Wednesday released three chilling videos of Parkland school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz detailing his plans to become famous after plotting to kill people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
"Hello, my name is Nik, and I'm going to be the next school shooter of 2018," Cruz, 19, calmly stated in one of the videos, which appeared to have been filmed on Feb. 14, the day of the mass shooting. The gunman said there was "going to be a big event" at Stoneman Douglas.
Cruz — who shot and killed 17 people and left 17 others injured on Valentine's Day at the Florida high school with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, according to investigators — said his "goal is at least 20 people with an AR-15."
The suspect, who laid out his "plan" for the massacre in one of his videos, was heard saying that when people see him "on the news, you'll all know who I am," before laughing. "You're all going to die. Pew pew pew pew pew. Ah yeah, can't wait."
Cruz also foretold his "plan" of taking an Uber ride to the school around 2:40 p.m. and getting his rifle to "shoot people down."
Forget banning guns. How about the cops do their fucking iobs.
That massacre would never have happened if the cops did what they were supposed to.
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Rose on June 02, 2018, 02:26:06 PM
Post by: Rose on June 02, 2018, 02:26:06 PM
Title: Re: Another shooting in an American school
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2018, 05:09:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2018, 05:09:07 PM
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Can you speak.