https://www.yahoo.com/news/ancient-human-remains-ice-age-animal-bones-found-090342235.html
Dated around a mere 9000 years ago and close to when the last major ice age ended around 11-12k years ago according to the article but I've seen challenges elsewhere as to when the ice age ended.
10k or so years is a drop in the bucket compared to hundreds of thousands or millions, yet climate change alarmists still try to stack late 70's and onwards thermal imaging satellite data with anecdotal temperature recordings in isolated settlements over a few hundred years.
I love watching the climate change loonies lose their shit. Here's hoping this discovery accelerates that.
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Dated around a mere 9000 years ago and close to when the last major ice age ended around 11-12k years ago according to the article but I've seen challenges elsewhere as to when the ice age ended.
10k or so years is a drop in the bucket compared to hundreds of thousands or millions, yet climate change alarmists still try to stack late 70's and onwards thermal imaging satellite data with anecdotal temperature recordings in isolated settlements over a few hundred years.
I love watching the climate change loonies lose their shit. Here's hoping this discovery accelerates that.
I believe in man made climate change, but governments and large private and public organizations are fear mongering off of it.
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Dated around a mere 9000 years ago and close to when the last major ice age ended around 11-12k years ago according to the article but I've seen challenges elsewhere as to when the ice age ended.
10k or so years is a drop in the bucket compared to hundreds of thousands or millions, yet climate change alarmists still try to stack late 70's and onwards thermal imaging satellite data with anecdotal temperature recordings in isolated settlements over a few hundred years.
I love watching the climate change loonies lose their shit. Here's hoping this discovery accelerates that.
I believe in man made climate change, but governments and large private and public organizations are fear mongering off of it.
There's no credible evidence for man made climate change. The data is lacking.
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Dated around a mere 9000 years ago and close to when the last major ice age ended around 11-12k years ago according to the article but I've seen challenges elsewhere as to when the ice age ended.
10k or so years is a drop in the bucket compared to hundreds of thousands or millions, yet climate change alarmists still try to stack late 70's and onwards thermal imaging satellite data with anecdotal temperature recordings in isolated settlements over a few hundred years.
I love watching the climate change loonies lose their shit. Here's hoping this discovery accelerates that.
I believe in man made climate change, but governments and large private and public organizations are fear mongering off of it.
There's no credible evidence for man made climate change. The data is lacking.
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It's true, Fash. The IPCC has gotten caught lying about data repeatedly, and even the NOAA has recently been sprung fudging numbers.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/us-big-freeze-is-adjusted-out-of-existence-by-noaa/#more-32339
The BOM here in Australia was caught not too long ago doing the same thing.
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https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/us-big-freeze-is-adjusted-out-of-existence-by-noaa/#more-32339
The BOM here in Australia was caught not too long ago doing the same thing.
There's been quite a few whistleblowers like this guy.
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Former federal climatologist John Bates blasts 2015 NOAA study as other scientists defend its conclusions
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/5/climate-change-whistleblower-alleges-noaa-manipula/
But, then the MSM goes mad spinning it.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/noaa-climate-data-not-faked-2017-2
That's what the global warming "scientists" do. If they don't get the numbers they want they cook the data until they do.
More evidence
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/20/delingpole-noaa-caught-adjusting-big-freeze-out-of-existence/
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We're not talking fractions of a degree, here. The adjustments amount to a whopping 3.1 degrees F. This takes us well beyond the regions of error margins or innocent mistakes and deep into the realm of fiction and political propaganda.
They cannot be trusted.
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https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/us-big-freeze-is-adjusted-out-of-existence-by-noaa/#more-32339
The BOM here in Australia was caught not too long ago doing the same thing.
They changed the way they measured temperature, which in turn "distorts" the highest temperature on any given day. They knew it would imply higher temperatures, but remained silent, because its run by government-funded alarmists.
I wish more scientists would condemn that kind of fraud..
But, I still believe global temperatures have risen in my lifetime and man made activity bears some responsibility for that.
Temperatures have ALWAYS fluctuated. Is this because of humankind?
I don't know, I'm not a climate scientist..
I know there has been deliberate manipulation of data, but not all scientists who believe in man made climate change have been part of the fraud.
Most have been part of that fraud, Fash. There is no funding when it's challenged on science grounds. The well dries up and reputations are muddied.
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Than I don't know..
Seoul has an interest in this topic, I'm sure he will offer his opinion.
Has anyone actually spoken with anyone with a scientific background in this area? I have met two and neither of them had black and white ideas about climate change.
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I've listened to different speakers in the field and others, read a fair bit as well.
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I've listened to different speakers in the field and others, read a fair bit as well.
I'd like to learn more. Post links people.
Dr. Richard Keen, Dr. David Legates, Craig and Sherwood Idso, Dr. Patrick Michaels, Dr. Patrick Frank are a few interesting reads or listens.
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Superb, thank you. There's an Aussie climate scientist, who's name escapes me who has written a lot that contradicts the IPCC. I'll Google it.
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I've listened to different speakers in the field and others, read a fair bit as well.
I'd like to learn more. Post links people.
I know you are not here that often Thiel, but there are lots of posts here about climate change..
We used to have a poster here who posted a lot of climate change links that suited his agenda.
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I've listened to different speakers in the field and others, read a fair bit as well.
I'd like to learn more. Post links people.
I know you are not here that often Thiel, but there are lots of posts here about climate change..
We used to have a poster here who posted a lot of climate change links that suited his agenda.
That's why I only gave him names to start with. They're like little bits of an antidote against Michael Mann's hockey stick virus but Thiel needs to piece things together how he sees fit.
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I've listened to different speakers in the field and others, read a fair bit as well.
I'd like to learn more. Post links people.
I know you are not here that often Thiel, but there are lots of posts here about climate change..
We used to have a poster here who posted a lot of climate change links that suited his agenda.
That would be Romero. A nice enough guy, but exceptionally ideological.
The IPCC is not the voice of the entire scientific community. I could have omitted a single word and this would have fit into the Lies thread.
What do you mean?
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Shin started a thread where you post something that is a lie..
My guess is that Seoul meant he could have posted this
Rex Murphy: Too frigid for global warming? This is why they rebranded it 'climate change'
Any variety of weather whatsoever can be traced, if you keep the grants flowing and the contradictions unexamined, to the One Holy Underlying Theory of All Weather
f course I believe in global warming. How could I not? It happens even in the meteorological riot ward I know as home, dear, cruel Newfoundland. Yes, even in Newfoundland you see it every year. It's cold and dirty and heartbreaking in February, and yet by June, well — sometimes a little later, say July to be safe — it is actually measurably warmer. In places. Sometimes. Most years. Once every decade, for sure.
With a few exceptions. There are parts of Placentia Bay in mid-June, when the fog is in, the wind onshore, and an iceberg in the harbour, that could freeze the nuts off a banker's conscience. But, as we in the warming communion remind both heretics and hecklers — that's weather, not climate, you dummies. Overall though, fairly regularly, most likely on the west coast, it warms up in the summer (as we like to call the late weeks of June and bits of July) and then tapers off for the rest of the year.
The folks back home are pretty steady on this. Come winter, no matter how often the water pipes freeze up, the lights go out from another sleet storm, the snow piles up such that you can't get out the door, and the Witless Bay Line is clogged from Holyrood to Bay Bulls with the latest blizzard, our folks show no slack. "Cursed weather," they exclaim. "Cold as a nun's beads." (Ed. note: a necessary edit has been made here. For the children.)
No. The faith is strong. They curse the weather. But they never blame the climate.
During the most savage Hyperborean blasts and numbing cold even the little ones busy themselves with exercises to remind themselves of the truth of things. Children in schools hang up posters of the Amazon rainforest, check the temperature in Tanzania, have revivalist reruns of An Inconvenient Truth to keep the sense of global peril fresh in their anxious empty little heads. They gather round the red-hot, pot-bellied stoves in the outport schools and plan a Thousand Acts of Green for when the snow clears. And pin little green David Suzuki and Bono buttons on their survival suits to manifest their creed.
I wish I could say things were as healthy, attitude-wise, on this front up in Ontario right now. As I peck away at this incomparable aria there's a huge sheet of frost mist stretching full across Lake Ontario, half a mile high. Generated, beyond question, by the terrible, fierce, glacial pall that has lain over the province for the past 10 days or so, the mist is a shroud of pure ghostly frigidity, "as cold," in Mr. Swinburne's evocative couplet "as a winter wave/In the wind from a wide-mouthed grave." Cheerful lad, was old Algernon.
It is so cold that the downtown scalpers in Toronto are selling tickets for next year's March of the Penguins, which it is anticipated will start in Buffalo and terminate just off the Toronto Islands. David Attenborough will MC.
"Colder than when Mike Harris was Premier," says a local Liberal. Up here folks are tending — a curious turn I agree — to a more lukewarm stance on the crucial climate/weather distinction. So too, in other ice-embalmed regions of the country and continent. There are mutters from icicled lips of "this is not what we were promised." A like sentiment prompted a little-attended (it was too cold) labour protest recently that featured plaintive cries of: What do we want? Global Warming! When do we want it? Now."
Of course the absolutely hopeless global warming skeptics are making great fun of all this, taunting the faithful, mocking the past predictions of snow-free winters, glaciers melting in 30 years, the fading industry of ski resorts. In equally bad form, they call up all the hot summer days of years past when even the TV meteorologists or "weather specialists" as they delight to call themselves, marked every humid breeze, every tilt upwards of a degree, the start of forest fires, the demands on air conditioning as "yet another sign," another proof of the incontestable fact of our ever-heating globe. Not so much talk during those torrid days of the great cleavage between Climate and Weather. For some reason on hot days it is not thought necessary to make the distinction. Scientific scruple, I guess.
Fortunately, the Jesuitical mandarins of Pembina and Greenpeace and Sierra, assisted by the sovereign intellects of Bill Nye (your smarmy weather guy), Neil Young, Prince Charles and the concentrated brain power of the entire Green Party (Elizabeth May Inc.) are on the case: batting away their simplistic mockeries and confounding them with whole buckets of settled science and clips from We Day. And reminding everyone that they have long ago "rebranded" Global Warming so it does not mean that anymore. It's Climate Change now, up, down, across and around. Climate Change, meteorology's ToE (Theory of Everything).
We are fortunate to have such guardians, to direct us away from our senses, and beckon us back on the road to faith. Climate Change can cause cold temperatures, too, they intone. And wet weather. And dry. Hurricanes and cyclones. Droughts and floods. In fact, any variety of weather whatsoever can be traced, if you but model hard and often enough, keep the grants flowing and the contradictions unexamined, to the One Holy Underlying Theory of All Weather. Climate Change, everything proves it. It's the scientific method at its best.
So ignore the frigid moment. All is unfolding as it should. As soon as our Climate Superheroes, Mr. Trudeau and Ms. McKenna, bring in the new, higher carbon dioxide tax — reminder: it is NOT a carbon tax, no tax on soot — temperatures will rise, summer will return, and with another 20 or 30 dollars a ton, by next year Newfoundland will be indistinguishable from Tahiti in the golden days under a Polynesian sun.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-too-frigid-for-global-warming-this-is-why-they-rebranded-it-climate-change
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Delingpole: NOAA Caught Lying About Arctic Sea Ice
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/24/delingpole-noaa-caught-lying-arctic-sea-ice/
telling lies in order to get more grant money is not science, I don't know what you can call it, but it's certainly not sicience.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/24/delingpole-noaa-caught-lying-arctic-sea-ice/
telling lies in order to get more grant money is not science, I don't know what you can call it, but it's certainly not sicience.
Dr John Bates and now this. I am finding it very difficult to believe the NOAA. I don't believe anything the IPCC claims.
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I watched a video and did a search of some of their articles. It's refreshing to know the IPCC does not speak for the entire scientific community.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/kill-climate-deniers-play-launches-theatrical-run/
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Written by Australian playwright David Finnigan, "Kill Climate Deniers" kicked off Thursday the 2018 season of the Griffin Theatre in Sydney after a week of previews, with the final show scheduled for April 7.
The play was commissioned in 2014 with a $19,000 grant from the Australian government, but its first staging was shut down following a backlash led by conservative Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt.
it seems like its great fun for the left, and a moneymaker too, to act out fantasies of murdering those they disgree with.
This city hosted a big climate alarmist meeting. Lots of dire predictions and lots of recommendations to wreck people's lives with pricey measures that won't move the climate needle in any direction.
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On Saturday, we recorded the most snowfall on any March 3 in the past 25 years.
As delegates to the city's sky-is-falling conference began bundling up Monday morning, so their extremities didn't suffer frostbite on the short walk from their hotels to the Shaw Conference Centre, our temperature was just four degrees off our record low for the past quarter century.
Indeed, we were closer to the coldest temperature recorded here on any March 5 since 1996 (four degrees difference) than we were to our normal low, which is -9 (11 degrees off ).
Fine, I know, weather is not climate.
But it's too convenient when weather extremes fit the alarmists' climate-change theory, we're told it proves the environmental science is settled. But when the weather doesn't reinforce their panicky message, it's dismissed as meaningless.
Two years ago at this same time, our daytime highs were nearly 20 degrees different from where they are this year. They were 10 or more degrees above normal rather than 10 degrees below normal.
This kind of fluctuation is nothing new for this part of the world at this time of year. We're in the transition from winter to spring (we hope), so sometimes we're under the influence of March's lion and sometimes the lamb.
But that's precisely how average temperatures are arrived at.
Let me give you a local example of what I mean about how climate-change alarmists use weather selectively – "cherry picking" weather extremes to make their climate danger arguments.
On the eve of the city's climate wail-in this week, Edmonton's senior environmental project manager, Chandra Tomaras, told Postmedia that the city is 1.7C degrees warmer than it was a century ago. That's within the range of normal climate fluctuation recorded around the world, but Tomaras insisted it made her worried about the future of the North Saskatchewan River and our city's drinking water.
"I can't speak to future flows," Tomaras admitted, "but historically, according to paleo-climatic analysis, there have been episodes of zero flow in past centuries."
So? Those zero flows couldn't possibly have been caused by manmade carbon emissions. Neanderthals didn't drive SUVS. There were no coalfired teepees on the Plains.
Past zero-flow episodes must have had natural causes. So by what grand powers of divination can alarmists tell that future zero-flows will be caused by human activities, as opposed to all the natural ones in the paleo-climatic past?
After I'd done my best to remove the most recent snowfall from the cement around our home, the thin film that was left melted away.
But how could that be? The air temperature was -10C.
It was, of course, because the sun's strength is returning.
And just as the sun's influence on weather ebbs and flows with the seasons, it's influence on climate raises and lowers with solar activity.
For decades now, the sun's activity has been on the increase. Solar scientists predict it will now lessen for a couple (or three) decades. And as it lessens, global temperatures should fall, too.
Look at our sorry excuse for a pm letting some progtard bullshit science celeb tell lies about our energy industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lav-gT5QgOY
This is five years old, but the IPCC is still in the misinformation racket.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420783/Worlds-climate-scientists-confess-Global-warming-just-QUARTER-thought--computers-got-effects-greenhouse-gases-wrong.html
World's top climate scientists confess: Global warming is just QUARTER what we thought - and computers got the effects of greenhouse gases wrong
Leaked report reveals the world has warmed at quarter the rate claimed by IPCC in 2007
Scientists accept their computers may have exaggerated
leaked copy of the world's most authoritative climate study reveals scientific forecasts of imminent doom were drastically wrong.
The Mail on Sunday has obtained the final draft of a report to be published later this month by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the ultimate watchdog whose massive, six-yearly 'assessments' are accepted by environmentalists, politicians and experts as the gospel of climate science.
They are cited worldwide to justify swingeing fossil fuel taxes and subsidies for 'renewable' energy.
Yet the leaked report makes the extraordinary concession that over the past 15 years, recorded world temperatures have increased at only a quarter of the rate of IPCC claimed when it published its last assessment in 2007.
Back then, it said observed warming over the 15 years from 1990-2005 had taken place at a rate of 0.2C per decade, and it predicted this would continue for the following 20 years, on the basis of forecasts made by computer climate models.
But the new report says the observed warming over the more recent 15 years to 2012 was just 0.05C per decade - below almost all computer predictions.
The 31-page 'summary for policymakers' is based on a more technical 2,000-page analysis which will be issued at the same time. It also surprisingly reveals: IPCC scientists accept their forecast computers may have exaggerated the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures – and not taken enough notice of natural variability.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lav-gT5QgOY
Is anyone else getting tired of rich American activists coming here and criticizing our industry?