Title: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 07:36:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 07:36:33 PM
The US just doesn't get it.
The remedy for too MANY guns is not to add MORE guns. And especially not to TEACHERS.
What idiocy comes up with this concept?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 07:47:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 07:47:29 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 08:03:03 PM
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 08:03:03 PM
3?
6?
10?
50?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 08:03:23 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 08:03:23 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 08:04:12 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 08:04:12 PM
How many separate gun threads are needed on the main board to express YOUR views?Quote from: "cc"
3?
6?
10?
50?
Give him a Joooooo thread!!! lol, only gun related lol.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 08:10:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 08:10:31 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 08:17:18 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 08:17:18 PM
One is about gun control.
One is about providing guns in schools.
A large school will have 50 teachers. At least HALF female. That's 50 guns in the hands of inexperienced users...and who have ZERO experience in a potentially death threatening crisis.
Its one thing to have a gun, kiddies. Its another world when you have to pull it out, aim and fire.
A LUDICROUS concept.
Oh, and I'm still waiting for a rational and sensible reason for gun ownership.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 09:02:29 PM
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 09:02:29 PM
How many separate gun threads do you need on the main board to express YOUR single view?Quote
Different issues. ..... Oh, and I'm still waiting for a rational and sensible reason for gun ownership.Quote
That's a "different" issue and demands a separate thread
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Aryan on February 21, 2018, 09:06:50 PM
Post by: Aryan on February 21, 2018, 09:06:50 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 09:09:03 PM
Post by: cc on February 21, 2018, 09:09:03 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 21, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 21, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 21, 2018, 09:22:18 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 21, 2018, 09:22:18 PM
Agreed they should have training first, not just a gun in drawer they never shot before.I've heard of this before. I dont know how I feel about it. Giving a teacher a gun, nah. If a teacher had taken a gun safety course, taken a concealed weapons course and gotten their permit, AND if they went through a more special rigorous course considering the profession, only then would I maybe considerate it.Quote from: "Blazor"
But no need anyway. Like i said want to get rid of mass school shootings--One entrance, metal detectors and an armed security guard that's all it takes. No need to arm teachers, no need to take away constitutional rights.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 09:27:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 09:27:17 PM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 21, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
I've heard of this before. I dont know how I feel about it. Giving a teacher a gun, nah. If a teacher had taken a gun safety course, taken a concealed weapons course and gotten their permit, AND if they went through a more special rigorous course considering the profession, only then would I maybe considerate it.Quote from: "Blazor"
But no need anyway. Like i said want to get rid of mass school shootings--One entrance, metal detectors and an armed security guard that's all it takes. No need to arm teachers, no need to take away constitutional rights.
So, schools should be just like airports, just as long as paranoid Americans can keep their machismo toys?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 09:46:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 09:46:22 PM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on February 21, 2018, 09:48:21 PM
Post by: Frood on February 21, 2018, 09:48:21 PM
How many separate gun threads do you need on the main board to express YOUR single view?Quote from: "cc"
3?
6?
10?
50?
He's gone mental.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 10:10:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 10:10:32 PM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Is anyone else feeling the urge to purchase a gun after reading all these gun related threads?Quote from: "SCOUSE"ac_dunno
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 11:20:22 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 21, 2018, 11:20:22 PM
I've heard of this before. I dont know how I feel about it. Giving a teacher a gun, nah. If a teacher had taken a gun safety course, taken a concealed weapons course and gotten their permit, AND if they went through a more special rigorous course considering the profession, only then would I maybe considerate it.Quote from: "Blazor"
But no need anyway. Like i said want to get rid of mass school shootings--One entrance, metal detectors and an armed security guard that's all it takes. No need to arm teachers, no need to take away constitutional rights.
Similar to the way my sons school was set up and it seems to work good.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 21, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 11:40:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2018, 11:40:16 PM
I've heard of this before. I dont know how I feel about it. Giving a teacher a gun, nah. If a teacher had taken a gun safety course, taken a concealed weapons course and gotten their permit, AND if they went through a more special rigorous course considering the profession, only then would I maybe considerate it.Quote from: "Blazor"
But no need anyway. Like i said want to get rid of mass school shootings--One entrance, metal detectors and an armed security guard that's all it takes. No need to arm teachers, no need to take away constitutional rights.
Similar to the way my sons school was set up and it seems to work good.
Everyone enters and leaves through one entrance and it has a metal detector?
What about a security guard at the entrance?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 21, 2018, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 21, 2018, 11:54:53 PM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
You just beat me to it.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 12:00:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 12:00:01 AM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
You just beat me to it.
Didn't European cities make changes similar to the ones you mentioned..
Blocking access to public promenades by vehicles with physical barriers for example?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 12:02:21 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 12:02:21 AM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
I'm having a seniors moment. I'm not getting your point.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 22, 2018, 12:46:15 AM
Post by: realgrimm on February 22, 2018, 12:46:15 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 12:49:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 12:49:28 AM
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Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 22, 2018, 12:58:23 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 22, 2018, 12:58:23 AM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
You just beat me to it.
Didn't European cities make changes similar to the ones you mentioned..
Blocking access to public promenades by vehicles with physical barriers for example?
It is a solution we poked some fun at. Because their poor immigration polices led to having to implement these measures. But yes, sometimes you have to resort to such methods.
I don't like the idea of metal detectors and armed security in schools. But if you want to stop school shootings that's what it will take. Gun bans will have little to no effect.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 01:08:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 01:08:02 AM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
You just beat me to it.
Didn't European cities make changes similar to the ones you mentioned..
Blocking access to public promenades by vehicles with physical barriers for example?
It is a solution we poked some fun at. Because their poor immigration polices led to having to implement these measures. But yes, sometimes you have to resort to such methods.
I don't like the idea of metal detectors and armed security in schools. But if you want to stop school shootings that's what it will take. Gun bans will have little to no effect.
I do remember those opinions.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
You just beat me to it.
Didn't European cities make changes similar to the ones you mentioned..
Blocking access to public promenades by vehicles with physical barriers for example?
It is a solution we poked some fun at. Because their poor immigration polices led to having to implement these measures. But yes, sometimes you have to resort to such methods.
I don't like the idea of metal detectors and armed security in schools. But if you want to stop school shootings that's what it will take. Gun bans will have little to no effect.
So why did it in Australia?
Since 1996...NO mass shootings.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 22, 2018, 10:17:11 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 22, 2018, 10:17:11 AM
Everyone enters and leaves through one entrance and it has a metal detector?
What about a security guard at the entrance?
No metal detector, but yes only one entrance, all others were locked. The entrance had a buzzer, and a camera, and only once the front desk buzzed you in could you get in. Once in you had to report to the office upon entry, which was right there. No security guard, even better it had a local police officer.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 22, 2018, 10:18:46 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 22, 2018, 10:18:46 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 22, 2018, 10:27:12 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 22, 2018, 10:27:12 AM
Guns are not bad, people are.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell that to the 17 good kids gunned down. Or the 54 concert goers.
Did anyone tell the 84 people killed by a truck in Nice Islam is bad? What about the 23 people killed by a bomb at the concert in Manchester?
You just beat me to it.
Didn't European cities make changes similar to the ones you mentioned..
Blocking access to public promenades by vehicles with physical barriers for example?
It is a solution we poked some fun at. Because their poor immigration polices led to having to implement these measures. But yes, sometimes you have to resort to such methods.
I don't like the idea of metal detectors and armed security in schools. But if you want to stop school shootings that's what it will take. Gun bans will have little to no effect.
So why did it in Australia?
Since 1996...NO mass shootings.
Like I said before, Australia is 1/13th the size of the US. It had 1 shooting in 1996 that killed more than 10 people. Whereas since 1996 the US has had 13 shootings that killed more than 10 people. So that is proportional.
The UK has very similar gun laws to Australia--they've had 2 mass shootings and 2 mass bombing murders since 1996 that killed more than 10 people. They are 1/5th of Americas population so actually in the UK you are MORE likely per capita to die in a mass murder attack than in the US.
the French also have tough gun laws--since 1995 they have had four shootings in which 9 or more were killed and a truck attack. france is 1/5th the size of the US. Despite french gun laws you are more likely percapita to die in france in a mass shooting than the US.
I can do more, but that should illustrate the point. You are cherry picking, like Scouse does with his Jewish conspiracy arguments. You take two data points on a line-- the US and Australia and ignore all others, as well as ignoring population size.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 10:37:39 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 10:37:39 AM
Also to confirm, Trump did not say to give teachers guns. I heard it clarified on the radio this morning. Then I went back to the OP article. Here was Trump's tweets for clarity...Quote from: "Blazor"I never said "give teachers guns" like was stated on Fake News @CNN & @NBC. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving "concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers, a lot, would now be able to....immediately fire back if a savage sicko came to a school with bad intentions. Highly trained teachers would also serve as a deterrent to the cowards that do this. Far more assets at much less cost than guards. A "gun free" school is a magnet for bad people. ATTACKS WOULD END!
I saw Donald Trump asking people in a room what they thought of the idea, but I never saw the president say give teachers guns.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 22, 2018, 10:46:15 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 22, 2018, 10:46:15 AM
I saw Donald Trump asking people in a room what they thought of the idea, but I never saw the president say give teachers guns.
I dont know who or where, just heard about it on the radio, but some other group of people on the media, got some kids together to voice against guns. All the kids they picked were anti-Trumpers, they did not pick any pro-Trumpers. Cant stand the lies and manipulation in the media.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 06:04:07 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 06:04:07 PM
Like I said before, Australia is 1/13th the size of the US. It had 1 shooting in 1996 that killed more than 10 people. Whereas since 1996 the US has had 13 shootings that killed more than 10 people. So that is proportional.
You twist things.
You cite SINCE 1996...but INCLUDE 1996.
SINCE 1996 Australia has had ZERO mass shootings.
SINCE 1996 America has had 13 with more than 10 victims...but a mass shooting is defined by FOUR victims. America has had 150.
Australia zero.
That is not proportional.
"Between 1966 and 2012, there were 90 mass shootings in the United States. Mass shootings are defined for the study as having four or more victims and don't include gang killings or slayings that involve the death of multiple family members. These shootings include the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando in June 2016 -- the worst mass shooting in US history -- and others in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, both in 2012.
The 90 US mass shootings are nearly one-third of the 292 such attacks globally for that period. While the United States has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings."
You will never fix a problem until you admit you have a problem.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
I saw Donald Trump asking people in a room what they thought of the idea, but I never saw the president say give teachers guns.
I dont know who or where, just heard about it on the radio, but some other group of people on the media, got some kids together to voice against guns. All the kids they picked were anti-Trumpers, they did not pick any pro-Trumpers. Cant stand the lies and manipulation in the media.
I'm not really surprised those with money would use the death of kids to further their own agenda..
I remember the hurricanes in Texas were called karma by environmental extremists because Texas produces oil and gas.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 22, 2018, 07:05:40 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 22, 2018, 07:05:40 PM
Like I said before, Australia is 1/13th the size of the US. It had 1 shooting in 1996 that killed more than 10 people. Whereas since 1996 the US has had 13 shootings that killed more than 10 people. So that is proportional.
You twist things.
You cite SINCE 1996...but INCLUDE 1996.
SINCE 1996 Australia has had ZERO mass shootings.
SINCE 1996 America has had 13 with more than 10 victims...but a mass shooting is defined by FOUR victims. America has had 150.
Australia zero.
That is not proportional.
"Between 1966 and 2012, there were 90 mass shootings in the United States. Mass shootings are defined for the study as having four or more victims and don't include gang killings or slayings that involve the death of multiple family members. These shootings include the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando in June 2016 -- the worst mass shooting in US history -- and others in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater and at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, both in 2012.
The 90 US mass shootings are nearly one-third of the 292 such attacks globally for that period. While the United States has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings."https://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/27/health/u-s-most-mass-shootings/index.html
You will never fix a problem until you admit you have a problem.
A study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, showsQuotethe U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.
So who's tops? Surprisingly,Norwayis, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by Franceat 0.347, M acedoniaat 0.337, and Albaniaat 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republicall follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.
That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.
"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."
"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."
When you cherry pick and just compare the US to australia, you get the result you want. But when you add other countries in you see its not at all like you say. The US has fewer mass shooting deaths per capita than the UK, Germany and France. all of which have much stricter gun laws.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 07:09:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 07:09:58 PM
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/ A study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center,Quote, shows headed by economist John Lottthe U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.
So who's tops? Surprisingly,Norwayis, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by Franceat 0.347, M acedoniaat 0.337, and Albaniaat 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republicall follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.
That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.
"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."
"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."
Please...this data is so distorted as to be risible.
One minute you use the number of deaths, then revert to the number of incidents.
By its OWN data, America has far more mass (>4 casualties) shootings that any other comparable nation.
You flip between measuring number of deaths, then to number of incidents.
Make up your mind.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 07:25:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 07:25:38 PM
A study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, showsQuotethe U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.
So who's tops? Surprisingly,Norwayis, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by Franceat 0.347, M acedoniaat 0.337, and Albaniaat 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republicall follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.
That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.
"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."
"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."
When you cherry pick and just compare the US to australia, you get the result you want. But when you add other countries in you see its not at all like you say. The US has fewer mass shooting deaths per capita than the UK, Germany and France. all of which have much stricter gun laws.
You are statistic person here Wazzzup..
Some of these are a surprise to me.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 07:27:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 07:27:48 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 07:32:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 07:32:51 PM
That's because they are inappropriately used!!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
A lot of statistics are very disingenuous.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 07:34:37 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 07:34:37 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
That's because they are inappropriately used!!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
A lot of statistics are very disingenuous.
All prog stats are cherrypicked.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 11:39:08 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 22, 2018, 11:39:08 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 12:15:16 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 12:15:16 AM
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/ A study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center,Quote, shows headed by economist John Lottthe U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.
So who's tops? Surprisingly,Norwayis, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by Franceat 0.347, M acedoniaat 0.337, and Albaniaat 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republicall follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.
That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.
"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."
"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."
Please...this data is so distorted as to be risible.
One minute you use the number of deaths, then revert to the number of incidents.
By its OWN data, America has far more mass (>4 casualties) shootings that any other comparable nation.
You flip between measuring number of deaths, then to number of incidents.
Make up your mind.
Both are valid ways of looking at the problem. Just like yards passing and yards on the ground in a football game (sorry I don't know Australians sports enough to give you examples you can relate to better)
These are the facts--
France has a higher death rate per million than the US in Mass shootings even though they have the same kinds of strict gun laws Australia has. (along with 9 other European nations)
Germany and the UK have a higher per capita incidence of mass shootings than the US, Even though their gun laws are like Australias.
So the following statement is not correct
America has far more mass shootings that any other comparable nation.Quote
So the questions are
1) why is it two nations with strict gun laws (Germany and the UK) have more mass shootings per capita than a nation with more lenient gun laws (the US)?
2) And why is it ten European nations, (some with stricter gun laws like France) have a higher number of people killed in gun mass murders than the US?
Because its clear in those instances gun availabilty is not the prblem.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
And why is it ten European nations, (some with stricter gun laws like France) have a higher number of people killed in gun mass murders than the US?Quote
Maybe firearms are crossing porous borders from countries like the Czech Republic or Switzerland which have gun ownership laws more liberal than the US. I don't know, I am just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 02:01:35 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 02:01:35 AM
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/ A study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center,Quote, shows headed by economist John Lottthe U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.
So who's tops? Surprisingly,Norwayis, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by Franceat 0.347, M acedoniaat 0.337, and Albaniaat 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republicall follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.
That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.
"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."
"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."
Please...this data is so distorted as to be risible.
One minute you use the number of deaths, then revert to the number of incidents.
By its OWN data, America has far more mass (>4 casualties) shootings that any other comparable nation.
You flip between measuring number of deaths, then to number of incidents.
Make up your mind.
Both are valid ways of looking at the problem. Just like yards passing and yards on the ground in a football game (sorry I don't know Australians sports enough to give you examples you can relate to better)
These are the facts--
France has a higher death rate per million than the US in Mass shootings even though they have the same kinds of strict gun laws Australia has. (along with 9 other European nations)
Germany and the UK have a higher per capita incidence of mass shootings than the US, Even though their gun laws are like Australias.
So the following statement is not correctAmerica has far more mass shootings that any other comparable nation.Quote
So the questions are
1) why is it two nations with strict gun laws (Germany and the UK) have more mass shootings per capita than a nation with more lenient gun laws (the US)?
2) And why is it ten European nations, (some with stricter gun laws like France) have a higher number of people killed in gun mass murders than the US?
Because its clear in those instances gun availabilty is not the prblem.
Did you even BOTHER to read this???
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 23, 2018, 10:27:42 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 23, 2018, 10:27:42 AM
I'm not really surprised those with money would use the death of kids to further their own agenda..
I remember the hurricanes in Texas were called karma by environmental extremists because Texas produces oil and gas.
:crazy:
They sure do. "Never let a disaster go to waste" is a famous quote They use.
I remember that!
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 10:42:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 10:42:49 AM
I'm not really surprised those with money would use the death of kids to further their own agenda..
I remember the hurricanes in Texas were called karma by environmental extremists because Texas produces oil and gas.
:crazy:
They sure do. "Never let a disaster go to waste" is a famous quote They use.
I remember that!
I've noticed that.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 23, 2018, 12:06:44 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 23, 2018, 12:06:44 PM
The documentary makes a compelling case for the right to bear arms when twenty thousand Christian defenders made of peasants, women, young men and even the elderly, defying the tyranny of the Mexican narco-state decided to fight back. These are the "Autodefensas" (self-defenders). They get scant media coverage from the government controlled Mexican media while the liberal media abroad completely ignores their plight since it involves the right of a people to bear arms. The 'defenders' rejecting Mexico's ban on the right to bear arms is something Americans can appreciate. It responds to liberal politicians and the media's undermining the second amendment by blaming guns instead of villains.Quote
alternate youtube link
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 23, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resource officer Scot Peterson was armed, in uniform and "clearly" knew there was an active shooter but did "nothing" to intervene, according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.
This shooting was extremely preventable. law enforcment failed every single step of the way. It never should have happened.
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Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 02:20:06 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 02:20:06 PM
law enforcment failed every single step of the way.Quote
The opportunities were endless in this case. If ONE agency had come through it could have been prevented. But ALL agencies were ineffective
It never should have happened.Quote
But it will.
Even if politicians take all the right steps with genuine enthusiasm (unlikely) it will take a long time to get ALL agencies (from top to bottom) to become effective.
At top levels, the O plants must be flushed down the toilet before there is even a chance FBI etc. will actually do their mandated job.
Knowing how govt works (or rather doesn't work) I have little faith
They can at least prevent some if they actually try
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: kiebers on February 23, 2018, 02:25:41 PM
Post by: kiebers on February 23, 2018, 02:25:41 PM
So apparently not only were there several warning this cruz guy was mentally ill, constantly in trouble, and going to shoot up a school, incuding a video of him saying he wanted to shoot up a school, now we find outQuote from: "Wazzzup"there was an armed deputy who, while the shooting on was going on, knew about it and did nothing to try and stop itA Florida sheriff's officer who did "nothing" during the Parkland school shooting last week has resigned in disgrace, officials said Thursday.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resource officer Scot Peterson was armed, in uniform and "clearly" knew there was an active shooter but did "nothing" to intervene, according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.
This shooting was extremely preventable. law enforcment failed every single step of the way. It never should have happened.
I imagine he is not long for this world. By his own hand or a parent. No excuse for what he did. He was in position and froze. Law enforcement as a whole failed in a terrible way.
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Post by: Blazor on February 23, 2018, 03:14:08 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 23, 2018, 03:14:08 PM
So apparently not only were there several warning this cruz guy was mentally ill, constantly in trouble, and going to shoot up a school, incuding a video of him saying he wanted to shoot up a school, now we find outQuote from: "Wazzzup"there was an armed deputy who, while the shooting on was going on, knew about it and did nothing to try and stop itA Florida sheriff's officer who did "nothing" during the Parkland school shooting last week has resigned in disgrace, officials said Thursday.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resource officer Scot Peterson was armed, in uniform and "clearly" knew there was an active shooter but did "nothing" to intervene, according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.
This shooting was extremely preventable. law enforcment failed every single step of the way. It never should have happened.
Thats messed up. He was the school resource officer. Not doing anything is pretty cowardice.
Also, the security cameras were on an hour time delay. The police department was watching, but did not know it was on delay til too late.
And found this in the comment section...
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 03:20:06 PM
Post by: cc on February 23, 2018, 03:20:06 PM
Knowing where shooter is is vital to stopping him
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
So apparently not only were there several warning this cruz guy was mentally ill, constantly in trouble, and going to shoot up a school, incuding a video of him saying he wanted to shoot up a school, now we find outQuote from: "Wazzzup"there was an armed deputy who, while the shooting on was going on, knew about it and did nothing to try and stop itA Florida sheriff's officer who did "nothing" during the Parkland school shooting last week has resigned in disgrace, officials said Thursday.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resource officer Scot Peterson was armed, in uniform and "clearly" knew there was an active shooter but did "nothing" to intervene, according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.
This shooting was extremely preventable. law enforcment failed every single step of the way. It never should have happened.
Students should be demanding law enforcement do it's job.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 23, 2018, 04:05:23 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 23, 2018, 04:05:23 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:39:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:39:09 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:53:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2018, 04:53:14 PM
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Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 07:12:53 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 23, 2018, 07:12:53 PM
So apparently not only were there several warning this cruz guy was mentally ill, constantly in trouble, and going to shoot up a school, incuding a video of him saying he wanted to shoot up a school, now we find outQuote from: "Wazzzup"there was an armed deputy who, while the shooting on was going on, knew about it and did nothing to try and stop itA Florida sheriff's officer who did "nothing" during the Parkland school shooting last week has resigned in disgrace, officials said Thursday.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resource officer Scot Peterson was armed, in uniform and "clearly" knew there was an active shooter but did "nothing" to intervene, according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.
This shooting was extremely preventable. law enforcment failed every single step of the way. It never should have happened.
I repeat what I said elsewhere;
If YOU were a badged up public relations operative with a gun, and YOU were in a position that required YOU to go up against an AR15, vastly outgunned at every level, what would YOU do.
The guy was not a professional police officer. He possessed a PISTOL, but the government allows the other guy to possess an assault rifle derivative.
I challenge any of YOU to go up against such odds in a large and complex school building.
This smacks of a government saying "lets get a few citizens to dress up, give them a day on the range and a badge, and tell them to keep their school safe." Meanwhile an 18 year old nut case can walk into a gun shop and buy an assault rifle.
Don't blame the player...blame the game.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 01:38:39 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 01:38:39 AM
I repeat what I said elsewhere;
If YOU were a badged up public relations operative with a gun, and YOU were in a position that required YOU to go up against an AR15, vastly outgunned at every level, what would YOU do.
The guy was not a professional police officer. He possessed a PISTOL, but the government allows the other guy to possess an assault rifle derivative.
I challenge any of YOU to go up against such odds in a large and complex school building.
This smacks of a government saying "lets get a few citizens to dress up, give them a day on the range and a badge, and tell them to keep their school safe." Meanwhile an 18 year old nut case can walk into a gun shop and buy an assault rifle.
Don't blame the player...blame the game.
I cannot speak for the states, but 'school liaison' officers here are either RCMP officers, or a Municipal Unit with the same training, essentially. They are 'full-fledged' Cops, and they are usually also trained on, and carry, 12 Gauge Shot Guns and AR-Type carbines in their vehicles. They are also trained how to use these weapons effectively.
Policy may vary, but I do know that after Columbine, policy had generally changed (regarding school shooters), to kill the shooter dead as quick as possible. The old policy of waiting for backup, SWAT, etc., was meant more for bank stick-ups, hostage situations, etc. The NEW policy is to just go in, and shoot to kill. That's because school shootings, and other types of random public shootings are a different beast than a bank hold-up or a hostage situation. You have NO TIME to wait in a school shooting scenario.
THAT was his duty. THAT was what he was trained to do, and most likely had the firearms in his trunk to engage the shooter. The clear policy now in a school shooting scenario is to go in and stop the threat immediately.
However, I can't completely fault the officer either, for this one reason: More than likely most Cops that are well suited for school liaison work, are probably not the best officers to handle a crisis situation like this. It may be like expecting Mr. Rogers to excel as a SWAT Team member... Just cannot have the best of both worlds.
Either way, the officer will most likely never work in law enforcement again, and will have to live the rest of his life known as a coward. THAT in itself is enough punishment for him, IMHO...
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:19:47 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:19:47 AM
I'm in no doubt that if you were confronted with the same circumstance, you would shit yourself in the knowledge that you are either going to be accused of cowardice by morons, or be killed by a lunatic.
Reports are that he was carrying only a pistol. Would YOU go up against an AR15 with only a pistol that will probably be good for around 20 metres, and afterwards its more luck than expertise. He could empty a 20 or 30 round magazine in around 10 seconds, with reasonable accuracy to around 50 metres in a firefight. You miss, you die.
Talk is cheap, chuck...but open your mouth AFTER you've had to put YOUR life on the line for other people.
His government is the culprit here, bozo. By failing to act when they had all the information needed to take that asswipes gun from him. They did nothing.
Who is the real coward here.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:20:54 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:20:54 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:22:11 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:22:11 AM
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Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:26:44 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:26:44 AM
I'm sure they would've engaged the shooter also, if they had the balls to engage another Cop.
So YES! Some people are more willing to do what needs to be done.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:30:25 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:30:25 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:36:03 AM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 02:36:03 AM
Getting rid of the NRA is a good first step.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:39:27 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:39:27 AM
That said, a Police Officer is expected to assume at least some form of risk, as his duty is to protect people, especially children.
Again, there is no doubt that most school liaison officers aren't the 'action' type, and instead chosen for their ability to interact nicely with the children.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 02:46:03 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 02:46:03 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 02:46:55 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 02:46:55 AM
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Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:49:17 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 02:49:17 AM
Why not just arm everyone in America and watch them all kill each other...Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
Watch out... With statements like this, Old Man Bricktop may just start to like you.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 03:32:54 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 03:32:54 AM
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Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 03:38:17 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 03:38:17 AM
Cocktop loves me. I'm just getting sick n tired of America and their problems.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
We don't live there, so why would their problems bother you?
Same as Canadians going on about Trump. I have my opinions, but he is not the leader of this Nation.
If anything, people here should be whining about Trudeau.
Nonetheless, it is the human nature.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 03:43:28 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 03:43:28 AM
Cocktop loves me. I'm just getting sick n tired of America and their problems.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
We don't live there, so why would their problems bother you?
Same as Canadians going on about Trump. I have my opinions, but he is not the leader of this Nation.
If anything, people here should be whining about Trudeau.
Nonetheless, it is the human nature.
It's on the news all the time..cant exactly ignore it...a shooting, someone got killed...blah blah....build a wall around America and let them finish each other off. Such a disgrace of a country...so much homelessness, lack of caring in general.
I'm tired of JT too...I hope he gets stuck in India in his ridiculous attire.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 03:49:49 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 24, 2018, 03:49:49 AM
I'd rather live there than here.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 04:03:21 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 24, 2018, 04:03:21 AM
I just wait for the day I move away from the lowermainland. Right now I stay for my parents. They need me around. I'm trying to get my dad to retire and leave here.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2018, 05:10:32 AM
Post by: Frood on February 24, 2018, 05:10:32 AM
Why not just arm everyone in America and watch them all kill each other...Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
Because that wouldn't happen, mass shootings would die, and people would relearn how to take care of their of own paths without cowards like Bricktop crowing about how people need to call a phone number and wait 10-20 so a bunch of bullet vested thieves MIGHT show up and take photos later on.
Seriously, when that fuckwit says that nobody except government or sanctioned subcontractors should be able to stop an assault, there's a little bit of my mind which wishes him to die a painful death.
He's such a pussy. Not just intellectually, but emotionally.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 24, 2018, 11:00:05 AM
Post by: realgrimm on February 24, 2018, 11:00:05 AM
Seriously, when that fuckwit says that nobody except government or sanctioned subcontractors should be able to stop an assault, there's a little bit of my mind which wishes him to die a painful death.
He's such a pussy. Not just intellectually, but emotionally.
I agree ,the people need to take the power back and stop putting so much trust in their government they are just a cash machine too..
The world needs to be aware that they are being played , all orchestrated in their political puppet show..derp derp which direction we gunna shine the spotlight today.. Weak minds follow and believe what is being orchestrated ...hahaha take the guns away and give complete power to your enemies the government and their agenda for global control and domination
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
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Post by: cc on February 24, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
Post by: cc on February 24, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 03:31:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 03:31:12 PM
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Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2018, 06:55:17 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 24, 2018, 06:55:17 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 07:16:22 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 07:16:22 PM
^^That's it. So is this.Quote from: "seoulbro"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/%20...%20e=5B12BEA4%22%3Ehttps://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
No. Its not.
Like all memes, the logic is secondary to the sarcasm.
Drugs are not a lethal weapon that can be used against others.
The comparison is invalid.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 07:18:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 07:18:06 PM
^^That's it. So is this.Quote from: "seoulbro"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/%20...%20e=5B12BEA4%22%3Ehttps://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
No. Its not.
Like all memes, the logic is secondary to the sarcasm.
Drugs are not a lethal weapon that can be used against others.
The comparison is invalid.
There is a market for drugs and guns. The comparison is perfectly valid.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 07:20:20 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 07:20:20 PM
What's your point? The fact that there is a market doesn't legitimise anything.
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Post by: realgrimm on February 24, 2018, 07:56:44 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 24, 2018, 07:56:44 PM
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Post by: realgrimm on February 24, 2018, 07:58:26 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 24, 2018, 07:58:26 PM
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Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 09:11:32 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 24, 2018, 09:11:32 PM
^^That's it. So is this.Quote from: "seoulbro"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/%20...%20e=5B12BEA4%22%3Ehttps://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
No. Its not.
Like all memes, the logic is secondary to the sarcasm.
Drugs are not a lethal weapon that can be used against others.
The comparison is invalid.
The idea of the meme is that just because something is illegal doesn't mean people can't obtain it.
If people can buy illegal drugs they will be able to buy illegal firearms.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 10:18:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2018, 10:18:39 PM
^^That's it. So is this.Quote from: "seoulbro"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/%20...%20e=5B12BEA4%22%3Ehttps://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752385_10160144732870515_1303935774636696434_n.jpg?oh=7f42e3e5c6b21cf7a2c9418d45dc8e9d&oe=5B12BEA4%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
No. Its not.
Like all memes, the logic is secondary to the sarcasm.
Drugs are not a lethal weapon that can be used against others.
The comparison is invalid.
The idea of the meme is that just because something is illegal doesn't mean people can't obtain it.
If people can buy illegal drugs they will be able to buy illegal firearms.
Obvioiously. Prohibition was a boon for organized crime.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 11:05:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 24, 2018, 11:05:58 PM
You guys are still barking up the wrong tree.
I ask again...what is the justification for a modern, law abiding first world country to allow its citizens to possess firearms?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 01:27:22 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 01:27:22 AM
Alcohol is not usually regarded as a murder weapon.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You guys are still barking up the wrong tree.
Alcohol is another good example of the same effect, prohibition made alcohol illegal and people didn;t stop drinking it, instead they bought it on the black market, which is what would happen if you make guns illegal,
I ask again...what is the justification for a modern, law abiding first world country to allow its citizens to possess firearms?Quote from: "Bricktop"
these women protecting their store when a bad guy tries to rob it. Just one of many legitimate reasons for citizens to own a gun.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Angry White Male on February 25, 2018, 03:35:18 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on February 25, 2018, 03:35:18 AM
I ask again...what is the justification for a modern, law abiding first world country to allow its citizens to possess firearms?Quote from: "Bricktop"
I will give you the answer that you want, and you take that as you will...
To 'dis-allow' a Nation like the US, to possess firearms, would be nearly impossible.
There are literally hundreds of millions of firearms floating around. And that's just what they know... There could easily be a billion, if every old rifle and six-shooter is counted as still existing...
You cannot wipe that ownership out, Brick. You just cannot. It is there, and it is there to stay.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 25, 2018, 12:03:16 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 25, 2018, 12:03:16 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Aryan on February 25, 2018, 12:46:45 PM
Post by: Aryan on February 25, 2018, 12:46:45 PM
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That pretty much sums up the debate.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 12:50:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 12:50:10 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Aryan on February 25, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
Post by: Aryan on February 25, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 25, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
I gave my nephews most of my rifles when I quit hunting. But, I still keep a 22 and 270. The government will get them from my cold dead hands.Quote from: "Herman"
Even if the government banned them there's nothing they can really do to take those guns, unless they catch you using them.
If guns were banned they can't go searching from house to house to make sure you turned yours in, that would require a warrant, plus billions of hours of searches. Its not even remotely possible.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 01:16:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 01:16:03 PM
I gave my nephews most of my rifles when I quit hunting. But, I still keep a 22 and 270. The government will get them from my cold dead hands.Quote from: "Herman"
Even if the government banned them there's nothing they can really do to take those guns, unless they catch you using them.
If guns were banned they can't go searching from house to house to make sure you turned yours in, that would require a warrant, plus billions of hours of searches. Its not even remotely possible.
The second amendment is not going to be repealed.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 25, 2018, 10:53:07 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 25, 2018, 10:53:07 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
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I just checked Switzerland's gun laws and it said
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 11:42:40 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 25, 2018, 11:42:40 PM
Switzerland has VERY tight gun control laws. Every citizen must do military training, and are issued a firearm to keep in their home, under strict storage procedures. However, they must still apply and qualify for a gun licence as the law requires, but cannot keep ammunition for their military rifle at home.
"In 2016, the defence ministry estimated that 2 million privately owned guns are in circulation, which given a population of 8.3 million corresponds to a gun ownership rate of around 24 guns per 100 residents.[6] This is roughly a quarter of the rate in the United States"
"Of the recorded homicides (attempted or completed), 20.3% were committed with a gun (47 cases, compared to an average of 41 cases in the period of 2009–2015). In addition, there were 7 cases of bodily harm and 233 cases of robbery committed with firearms.[29]"
None of these were committed by military issued firearms.
And Fash is correct; "Permits for concealed carrying in public are issued only extremely restrictively."
Yet again, the gun lobby distorts truth through silly memes.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 26, 2018, 12:53:03 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 26, 2018, 12:53:03 AM
Once again, memes perpetuate myth.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Switzerland has VERY tight gun control laws. Every citizen must do military training, and are issued a firearm to keep in their home, under strict storage procedures. However, they must still apply and qualify for a gun licence as the law requires, but cannot keep ammunition for their military rifle at home.
"In 2016, the defence ministry estimated that 2 million privately owned guns are in circulation, which given a population of 8.3 million corresponds to a gun ownership rate of around 24 guns per 100 residents.[6] This is roughly a quarter of the rate in the United States"
"Of the recorded homicides (attempted or completed), 20.3% were committed with a gun (47 cases, compared to an average of 41 cases in the period of 2009–2015). In addition, there were 7 cases of bodily harm and 233 cases of robbery committed with firearms.[29]"
None of these were committed by military issued firearms.
And Fash is correct; "Permits for concealed carrying in public are issued only extremely restrictively."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland
Yet again, the gun lobby distorts truth through silly memes.
Most of that is irrelevent.
Bottom line in switzerland any citizen over 18 without a criminal record or psychiatrically disqualified can obtain a gun. The murder rate in Swtizerland is .5 per hundred thousand and in Australia where guns are very tightly controlled it is double that at 1 per 100,000.
the point being while legal gun availabily MAY be a factor in differing homicide rates between countries, it is certainly NOT the only factor at play, and it probably is not the most important factor.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2018, 09:00:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2018, 09:00:07 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 26, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 26, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
It seems the Czech Republic has very liberal gun ownership laws.Quote from: "Fashionista"A gun in the Czech Republic is available to anybody subject to acquiring a shall issue firearms license first. Gun licenses may be obtained in a way very similar to a driving license – by passing a gun proficiency exam, medical examination and having a clean criminal record. Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense –
And the czech republic has the same murder rate, 1 per 100,000, that Australia has.
Thus proving once again--when it comes to the differing murder rates between countries, gun availability is clearly not the most important factor.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 26, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 26, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
And the czech republic has the same murder rate, 1 per 100,000, that Australia has.
Thus proving once again--when it comes to the differing murder rates between countries, gun availability is clearly not the most important factor.
Frequent lefty smokescreens, like fluoride in water why not put accurate results compare both groups, with and without and see if anything needs to be adjusted..
still makes no difference in regards to the USA both are a steady revenue clouded in misconception and lies
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 05:41:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 05:41:46 PM
It seems the Czech Republic has very liberal gun ownership laws.Quote from: "Fashionista"A gun in the Czech Republic is available to anybody subject to acquiring a shall issue firearms license first. Gun licenses may be obtained in a way very similar to a driving license – by passing a gun proficiency exam, medical examination and having a clean criminal record. Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense –
And the czech republic has the same murder rate, 1 per 100,000, that Australia has.
Thus proving once again--when it comes to the differing murder rates between countries, gun availability is clearly not the most important factor.
And the US?
4.88.
Proving, by your logic, that gun availability increases homicide rate.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 07:31:15 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 07:31:15 PM
[size=150]like fluoride in water[/size]
THE FUCKING FLUORIDE!!!
Fucking poison!!!
I dont use fluoride toothpaste, and I buy Deer Park of North America brand water to drink, which is one of the few that dont add fluoride to the water. Im on a well, so no worries about bathing in it, but its a community well, and chlorine gets added to it heavily.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 07:33:55 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 07:33:55 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 08:32:35 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 08:32:35 PM
Why? What's wrong with fluoride?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Way too many things! For one its a poison. It also keeps civilians docile, Hitler was the first to test it out on Jewish communities. It calcifies your pineal gland, which is your third eye. Cancer, bones, diabetes, so much. I found this article. Its a long read, but I skimmed most of it. Seems to have a lot of good info on it that I've researched on before. Skim it over....
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 08:35:16 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 08:35:16 PM
I've been on fluoride for over half a century and suffered no ill effects. The other guys in the knitting club haven't either.
Although the wheels did fall off my pineapple.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 08:41:36 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 08:41:36 PM
But it is a tragedy that it has come to this.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 08:42:03 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 08:42:03 PM
But I'm not Jewish.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I've been on fluoride for over half a century and suffered no ill effects. The other guys in the knitting club haven't either.
Although the wheels did fall off my pineapple.
I dont know man, starting to think your pineal gland has done calcified over lol. Better watch them bones too!
Is the fluoride in your drinking water?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on February 26, 2018, 08:57:13 PM
Post by: Frood on February 26, 2018, 08:57:13 PM
Have you considered buying a reverse osmosis filtration system? Some aren't that expensive.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 09:32:07 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 26, 2018, 09:32:07 PM
But I'm not Jewish.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I've been on fluoride for over half a century and suffered no ill effects. The other guys in the knitting club haven't either.
Although the wheels did fall off my pineapple.
I dont know man, starting to think your pineal gland has done calcified over lol. Better watch them bones too!
Is the fluoride in your drinking water?
Hell no.
Its in the rain, man...its everywhere.
My bones are full of chocolate.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 10:22:30 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 10:22:30 PM
Have you considered buying a reverse osmosis filtration system? Some aren't that expensive.
I honestly have lol. The one I was looking at at the time was around $300.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 26, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
Hell no.
Its in the rain, man...its everywhere.
My bones are full of chocolate.
No wonder the ladies love you
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on February 27, 2018, 12:05:51 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on February 27, 2018, 12:05:51 AM
It seems the Czech Republic has very liberal gun ownership laws.Quote from: "Fashionista"A gun in the Czech Republic is available to anybody subject to acquiring a shall issue firearms license first. Gun licenses may be obtained in a way very similar to a driving license – by passing a gun proficiency exam, medical examination and having a clean criminal record. Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense –
And the czech republic has the same murder rate, 1 per 100,000, that Australia has.
Thus proving once again--when it comes to the differing murder rates between countries, gun availability is clearly not the most important factor.
And the US?
4.88.
Proving, by your logic, that gun availability increases homicide rate.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Ny logic is not just point to two points on a graph, that's the cherry picking fallacy. My logic is look at several countries. and when you do, you see that there are countries where guns are virtually banned that have higher murder rates than the US, and countries where guns are easy to obtain that have very low murder rates as low or lower than Australia.
As i explained before. one of the major differences between the US and many European countries (as well as Australia and Canada) is
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on February 27, 2018, 12:24:22 AM
Post by: Frood on February 27, 2018, 12:24:22 AM
Have you considered buying a reverse osmosis filtration system? Some aren't that expensive.
I honestly have lol. The one I was looking at at the time was around $300.
Hubby has worked in the chemicals industry and is anal about not having chlorine or fluoride in our drinking water, so we have a 3 stage filtration unit he pieced together. Ceramic, then RO, then UV. It's overkill but it's nice water after it goes through the mineralizer.
You can really taste and feel the difference if you have tap water somewhere else.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 27, 2018, 09:19:26 AM
Post by: Blazor on February 27, 2018, 09:19:26 AM
Hubby has worked in the chemicals industry and is anal about not having chlorine or fluoride in our drinking water, so we have a 3 stage filtration unit he pieced together. Ceramic, then RO, then UV. It's overkill but it's nice water after it goes through the mineralizer.
You can really taste and feel the difference if you have tap water somewhere else.
Oh I believe it. Good for y'all. I take measures, but dont like absorbing the chlorine when I shower.
Best water I get is when I head for the mountains
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 05:49:03 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 05:49:03 PM
As i explained before. one of the major differences between the US and many European countries (as well as Australia and Canada) isdemographics--we have 13% blacks and 17% hispanics.
So, what you're saying is that its not guns. Its race.
Because, of course, they are STILL Americans. Or don't you count them in your "statistics"?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: realgrimm on February 27, 2018, 06:10:55 PM
Post by: realgrimm on February 27, 2018, 06:10:55 PM
Why? What's wrong with fluoride?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Fluoride is the 2nd most toxic compound first being mercury but since countries industrial sector produces such toxic waste it has to be subtly discarded in a manner to not bring alarm hence fluorides notoriety of helping fix teeth
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
I'll post a pic.
Take me a few minutes to find them though...
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 09:00:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 09:00:39 PM
As i explained before. one of the major differences between the US and many European countries (as well as Australia and Canada) isdemographics--we have 13% blacks and 17% hispanics.
So, what you're saying is that its not guns. Its race.
Because, of course, they are STILL Americans. Or don't you count them in your "statistics"?
Certain ethnicities in the US, Canada and Australia have higher murder rates than others. That is a fact.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 09:46:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 27, 2018, 09:46:44 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: cc on February 28, 2018, 03:09:07 PM
Post by: cc on February 28, 2018, 03:09:07 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on February 28, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Post by: Blazor on February 28, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on February 28, 2018, 04:12:14 PM
Post by: Frood on February 28, 2018, 04:12:14 PM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on February 28, 2018, 05:37:11 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 28, 2018, 05:37:11 PM
That will work.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on March 01, 2018, 01:00:30 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on March 01, 2018, 01:00:30 AM
Yep. Give teachers guns.Quote from: "Bricktop"
That will work.//http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43217142
So if a cop did that you would say cops shouldn't have guns?
The idea of Arming teachers is to have teachers who have taken gun safety clases volunteer, if they want to, to help keep students safe. It was never "here teacher, take this gun, even though you've never shot one before"
the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 02:10:16 AM
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 02:10:16 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 02:13:33 AM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 02:13:33 AM
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 04:41:13 AM
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 04:41:13 AM
As I have done, MANY times...even for dickwads like you.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 05:06:09 AM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 05:06:09 AM
People who disarm and prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves are the real murderers. People like you.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 05:07:36 AM
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 05:07:36 AM
But we both know who the real coward is.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 05:16:49 AM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 05:16:49 AM
How do you sleep at night knowing that your advocacy for gun control is killing people, shit for brains?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 05:32:43 AM
Post by: Bricktop on March 01, 2018, 05:32:43 AM
Here's how AUSTRALIANS see gun control.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 05:43:50 AM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2018, 05:43:50 AM
No, you're just stupid and conceited and mental.
Your ridiculous platform kills people. It doesn't keep them safer at the wrong place or time.
And you don't seem to give two fcks about that. You keep patting yourself on the back for your murder advocacy though. This latest mass shooting and every other one in the future. It's on you. Hope you like hell.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
This would be Dick's Sporting Goods and Walmart(US Walmart sells guns)?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2018, 12:14:50 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2018, 12:14:50 PM
Some American retailers have decided not to sell certain weapons at all and no forearms to anyone under the age of 21..Quote from: "Fashionista"
This would be Dick's Sporting Goods and Walmart(US Walmart sells guns)?
ac_wot
I mentioned Dicks yesterday, last night was official with Walmart. Some Walmarts do sell guns, I've bought 2 there, one at Dicks, and one at Sportsmen's Warehouse. Out of those 3, you can prolly guess which one will get my money, unless they decide to be like the other 2 guys.
They are not selling ammo to anyone under 21 either.
You can still own a gun at 18.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 12:17:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 12:17:51 PM
Some American retailers have decided not to sell certain weapons at all and no forearms to anyone under the age of 21..Quote from: "Fashionista"
This would be Dick's Sporting Goods and Walmart(US Walmart sells guns)?
ac_wot
I mentioned Dicks yesterday, last night was official with Walmart. Some Walmarts do sell guns, I've bought 2 there, one at Dicks, and one at Sportsmen's Warehouse. Out of those 3, you can prolly guess which one will get my money, unless they decide to be like the other 2 guys.
They are not selling ammo to anyone under 21 either.
You can still own a gun at 18.
The eighteern to twenty market must be miniscule if big retail is walking away from it.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
The eighteern to twenty market must be miniscule if big retail is walking away from it.
You would think, cause I know I couldnt afford a gun at that age. My son has bought 1 from Walmart since he turned 18 though.
To me, that age is when a father hands down a gun to a son. So maybe that adds to it, as to why that market may be slim. The rest are prolly liberals from the brainwashing they receive
Looks like if he wants any ammo, I'll have to make a trip for him.
Speaking of ammo, glad to see its bouncing back. Was slim pickin's for a few years when Obama ordered over 2 billion rounds of ammo. I always pictured him saying "if we cant take away their guns, I'll take away their ammo.".
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 12:30:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 12:30:43 PM
The eighteern to twenty market must be miniscule if big retail is walking away from it.
You would think, cause I know I couldnt afford a gun at that age. My son has bought 1 from Walmart since he turned 18 though.
To me, that age is when a father hands down a gun to a son. So maybe that adds to it, as to why that market may be slim. The rest are prolly liberals from the brainwashing they receive:laugh:
Looks like if he wants any ammo, I'll have to make a trip for him.
Speaking of ammo, glad to see its bouncing back. Was slim pickin's for a few years when Obama ordered over 2 billion rounds of ammo. I always pictured him saying "if we cant take away their guns, I'll take away their ammo.".
I haven't the foggiest how much guns and rifles cost.
What do you mean Obama ordered over two billion rounds of ammo? Ordered them for what?
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 01, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
I haven't the foggiest how much guns and rifles cost.
What do you mean Obama ordered over two billion rounds of ammo? Ordered them for what?
They are getting more expensive, due to the "guns and ammo tax" that Obama put on them.
I mean exactly that, back in 2013. Department of Homeland Security ordered it, 1.6 billion was the first batch. Was more ordered before and after. Hollow points too, which is against rules of war. Supposedly for target practice, but I aint believing that. Why certain agencies got it is weird too, like Social Security, National Marine Fisheries, etc. Its enough bullets to shoot every American 5 times each if not more.
And dont forget the no-hesitation targets, to desensitize law enforcement. More than cardboard thugs, but women, old people and CHILDREN too!
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 05:31:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2018, 05:31:09 PM
I haven't the foggiest how much guns and rifles cost.
What do you mean Obama ordered over two billion rounds of ammo? Ordered them for what?
They are getting more expensive, due to the "guns and ammo tax" that Obama put on them.
I mean exactly that, back in 2013. Department of Homeland Security ordered it, 1.6 billion was the first batch. Was more ordered before and after. Hollow points too, which is against rules of war. Supposedly for target practice, but I aint believing that. Why certain agencies got it is weird too, like Social Security, National Marine Fisheries, etc. Its enough bullets to shoot every American 5 times each if not more.
And dont forget the no-hesitation targets, to desensitize law enforcement. More than cardboard thugs, but women, old people and CHILDREN too!
I remember when the DHS odered that. Kind of sends a chill up the old spine.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Wazzzup on March 01, 2018, 08:28:31 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on March 01, 2018, 08:28:31 PM
I haven't the foggiest how much guns and rifles cost.
What do you mean Obama ordered over two billion rounds of ammo? Ordered them for what?
They are getting more expensive, due to the "guns and ammo tax" that Obama put on them.
I mean exactly that, back in 2013. Department of Homeland Security ordered it, 1.6 billion was the first batch. Was more ordered before and after. Hollow points too, which is against rules of war. Supposedly for target practice, but I aint believing that. Why certain agencies got it is weird too, like Social Security, National Marine Fisheries, etc. Its enough bullets to shoot every American 5 times each if not more.
And dont forget the no-hesitation targets, to desensitize law enforcement. More than cardboard thugs, but women, old people and CHILDREN too!
I remember when the DHS odered that. Kind of sends a chill up the old spine.
Yeah, It was Janet napolitano of the Obama administration who was buying up bullets. At the time I had assumed it was a sneaky way to pull off gun control-- Basically have the government buy up all the ammo so citizens couldn't buy ammo.
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2018, 09:08:29 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 02, 2018, 09:08:29 AM
Yeah, It was Janet napolitano of the Obama administration who was buying up bullets. At the time I had assumed it was a sneaky way to pull off gun control-- Basically have the government buy up all the ammo so citizens couldn't buy ammo.
Exactly what I thought then too!
Title: Re: The madness goes on...give teachers guns.
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2018, 08:51:09 PM
Post by: Frood on March 02, 2018, 08:51:09 PM
I haven't the foggiest how much guns and rifles cost.
What do you mean Obama ordered over two billion rounds of ammo? Ordered them for what?
They are getting more expensive, due to the "guns and ammo tax" that Obama put on them.
I mean exactly that, back in 2013. Department of Homeland Security ordered it, 1.6 billion was the first batch. Was more ordered before and after. Hollow points too, which is against rules of war. Supposedly for target practice, but I aint believing that. Why certain agencies got it is weird too, like Social Security, National Marine Fisheries, etc. Its enough bullets to shoot every American 5 times each if not more.
And dont forget the no-hesitation targets, to desensitize law enforcement. More than cardboard thugs, but women, old people and CHILDREN too!
I remember when the DHS odered that. Kind of sends a chill up the old spine.
They'll use them on someone eventually.