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Title: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2018, 11:36:27 PM
Trudeau is making it worse with mass imports of refugees, carbon taxes, no pipelines. and foreign aid among other garbage.


QuoteMiddle-income earners in Canada are under growing pressure. Nowhere is that more clear than in large cities like Toronto and Vancouver – where the gap between rich and poor is growing. And as Eric Sorensen reports, middle-income neighborhoods are feeling the squeeze.


https://globalnews.ca/video/4049223/data-shows-canadian-middle-class-shrinking-in-big-cities
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 12:02:02 AM
And there's some thing else IHJ.....Canadians are living beyond their means.



Canadians are the most indebted in the world, OECD says, as it warns on rising debt risk

Consumer debt tops 100 per cent of gross domestic product in Canada


http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/debt/canadians-are-the-most-indebted-in-the-world-oecd-says-as-it-warns-on-rising-debt-risk
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Wazzzup on February 27, 2018, 12:20:37 AM
You're going through your equivalent of our Obama years.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 01:27:58 AM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"You're going through your equivalent of our Obama years.

We used to be number one under Stephen  Harper. Now good blue collar jobs with wage increeases are heading South. Trump gets the credit and Justine the blame.



Canada's middle class richest in world: report

at the top of the list sits Canada, according to the Times, where median income for a family of four is more than $75,000 a year after taxes, up more than 20 per cent from the beginning of the last decade.



The median income in the United States meanwhile hasn't budged over that time—sitting at $75,000 (adjusted for inflation).



Canadian middle-class wages drew even with U.S. mid-level earnings in 2010, the report says.

https://globalnews.ca/news/1284297/canadas-middle-class-most-prosperous-in-world-report/
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 08:45:15 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"You're going through your equivalent of our Obama years.

We used to be number one under Stephen  Harper. Now good blue collar jobs with wage increeases are heading South. Trump gets the credit and Justine the blame.



Canada's middle class richest in world: report

at the top of the list sits Canada, according to the Times, where median income for a family of four is more than $75,000 a year after taxes, up more than 20 per cent from the beginning of the last decade.



The median income in the United States meanwhile hasn't budged over that time—sitting at $75,000 (adjusted for inflation).



Canadian middle-class wages drew even with U.S. mid-level earnings in 2010, the report says.

https://globalnews.ca/news/1284297/canadas-middle-class-most-prosperous-in-world-report/

I knew our middle class is not doing as well today as they did five years ago.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 06:38:20 PM
It's not a bad idea at all to get more bitumen in pipelines. However, it's like putting a Band-Aid on someone after stabbing them 4 or 5 times.
QuoteOkay, so let me see if I've got this right: After three years of raising taxes on oil companies and everyone who works in the patch (plus just about everyone else in Alberta), after the carbon tax, a 50 per cent increase in the tax on large industrial emitters, the coal shutdown, the hard cap on oil sands emissions and a pile of other red tape and regulations on the oil industry, the Notley government announces $1 billion in grants and loans guarantees for bitumen upgraders and we're all supposed to be blown away by their commitment to Alberta's energy industry.



By modest estimates, Alberta has lost between $30 billion to $35 billion in oil and gas investment since the NDP nightmare began in May 2015, and now the Notley government wants Albertans to be grateful that it is putting $1 billion back into the industry – spread over eight years.



Without doubt, much of the lost investment was due to the downturn in world oil prices and to the fact that we cannot get pipelines built that will take our oil to international markets – neither of which is the fault of the NDP.



But it's not as if we are losing out to developing countries in the investment race.



We certainly are losing out to places such Egypt and Kazakhstan and Tanzania.



But mostly we are losing out to those jurisdictions that are the most like Alberta: Texas, Oklahoma, North Dakota. We are losing out to places where the geology and the financial landscapes are very similar to Alberta. Often in the past, when they've boomed we've boomed, too.



But we are being passed by now, while they surge ahead, in large part because our New Democrats have been operating under the ridiculous belief that if we could just beggar ourselves with environmental regulations and taxes, we could buy "social license" that would cause "green" politicians and environmentalists to grant us permits to build pipelines.



And after that strategy has turned out to be such a spectacular failure, the NDP think Albertans can be bought off with an investment of $125 million a year for eight years to "diversify" our oil and gas sector.



The industrial goal of the Notley government's diversification strategy, released Monday is sound. Indeed, it's clever and practical.



Get a few upgraders built that don't fully refine oilsands bitumen, but rather upgrade it part way. That reduces the need to add diluent to the bitumen, which means more bitumen can fit down a pipeline and there is no need to remove diluent at the other end.



The NDP also want to see more liquification of natural gas done in Alberta so our methane and other gases can be shipped more easily to west coast terminals.



That's all very sensible.



But if the NDP hadn't sucked (taxed) so much money out of the patch already (not to mention discouraging so much investment and destroying so many jobs), maybe they wouldn't have to put back a billion dollars they don't have, just to try to stimulate some "diversification."



But maybe they won't have to spend tax dollars trying to force upgraders into existence if they hadn't undermined the energy sector so thoroughly in the first place.

http://edmontonsun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-ndp-upgrader-plan-smart-but-a-little-late
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2018, 07:40:26 PM
Our shrinking middle class is a self inflicted wound. Carbon taxes, and letting foreign money block resource development  and  export facilities is an abdication of duty.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2018, 09:07:24 AM
Apparently, nothing in the budget to help large industrial projects that would  help Canadians.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2018, 11:48:58 PM
If you want to know one of the main reasons Canada's middle class is less prosperous than they were ten years ago.

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Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2018, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"If you want to know one of the main reasons Canada's middle class is less prosperous than they were ten years ago.

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I heard the US had another impressive month of job gains and rising wages. Canada, did not fare so well.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on March 09, 2018, 04:29:13 PM
The CAnadian middle class is only rich because of white privilege and it is wonderful that Justin TRudeau is evening the playing field by taxing them more and giving to those in need all over the world much like Robin HOod is reputed to have done.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2018, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"The CAnadian middle class is only rich because of white privilege and it is wonderful that Justin TRudeau is evening the playing field by taxing them more and giving to those in need all over the world much like Robin HOod is reputed to have done.

Canadian workers are struggling because of carbon taxes, foreign money that is putting resource workers out of jobs, mass immigration and refugee acceptance, ever increasing taxes and bad multinational trade deals that benefit foreign workers only. This is not funny.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2018, 10:10:08 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"The CAnadian middle class is only rich because of white privilege and it is wonderful that Justin TRudeau is evening the playing field by taxing them more and giving to those in need all over the world much like Robin HOod is reputed to have done.

Canadian workers are struggling because of carbon taxes, foreign money that is putting resource workers out of jobs, mass immigration and refugee acceptance, ever increasing taxes and bad multinational trade deals that benefit foreign workers only. This is not funny.

In the US, 800,000 people entered the workforce last month, while in Canada the labour participation rate shrank. Six years ago, Canada had the strong middle class in North America. Thanks to tax reform and deregulation, and sensible energy  policy, American workers are better off than their Canadian counterparts.



And just so you know, Lance is Gary Oak. He's a totally insane sinophobe and he's trolling you.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2018, 02:06:56 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"The CAnadian middle class is only rich because of white privilege and it is wonderful that Justin TRudeau is evening the playing field by taxing them more and giving to those in need all over the world much like Robin HOod is reputed to have done.

Canadian workers are struggling because of carbon taxes, foreign money that is putting resource workers out of jobs, mass immigration and refugee acceptance, ever increasing taxes and bad multinational trade deals that benefit foreign workers only. This is not funny.

In the US, 800,000 people entered the workforce last month, while in Canada the labour participation rate shrank. Six years ago, Canada had the strong middle class in North America. Thanks to tax reform and deregulation, and sensible energy  policy, American workers are better off than their Canadian counterparts.



And just so you know, Lance is Gary Oak. He's a totally insane sinophobe and he's trolling you.

The job market in the US is the best I have seen it in twenty years. Maybe longer because so many people are entering the work force.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2018, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"The CAnadian middle class is only rich because of white privilege and it is wonderful that Justin TRudeau is evening the playing field by taxing them more and giving to those in need all over the world much like Robin HOod is reputed to have done.

Canadian workers are struggling because of carbon taxes, foreign money that is putting resource workers out of jobs, mass immigration and refugee acceptance, ever increasing taxes and bad multinational trade deals that benefit foreign workers only. This is not funny.

In the US, 800,000 people entered the workforce last month, while in Canada the labour participation rate shrank. Six years ago, Canada had the strong middle class in North America. Thanks to tax reform and deregulation, and sensible energy  policy, American workers are better off than their Canadian counterparts.



And just so you know, Lance is Gary Oak. He's a totally insane sinophobe and he's trolling you.

The job market in the US is the best I have seen it in twenty years. Maybe longer because so many people are entering the work force.

My husband's company hasn't hired apprentices in four years, but their US shop is hiring continuously.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2018, 03:54:02 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"The CAnadian middle class is only rich because of white privilege and it is wonderful that Justin TRudeau is evening the playing field by taxing them more and giving to those in need all over the world much like Robin HOod is reputed to have done.

Canadian workers are struggling because of carbon taxes, foreign money that is putting resource workers out of jobs, mass immigration and refugee acceptance, ever increasing taxes and bad multinational trade deals that benefit foreign workers only. This is not funny.

In the US, 800,000 people entered the workforce last month, while in Canada the labour participation rate shrank. Six years ago, Canada had the strong middle class in North America. Thanks to tax reform and deregulation, and sensible energy  policy, American workers are better off than their Canadian counterparts.



And just so you know, Lance is Gary Oak. He's a totally insane sinophobe and he's trolling you.

The job market in the US is the best I have seen it in twenty years. Maybe longer because so many people are entering the work force.

Don't worry, when Justin is reelected he will grow the economy from the heart out. :laugh3:
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Thiel on March 11, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
I posted this in Laughter Lounge, but I would have posted it here if I saw this thread.

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Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2018, 09:47:34 PM
Quote from: "Thiel"I posted this in Laughter Lounge, but I would have posted it here if I saw this thread.

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I don't mind paying taxes as long as it's not excessive and my money is invested prudently.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2018, 10:42:23 AM
We're taxed on our taxes in Canada. The three levels of government are responsible for the decline of the middle class.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2018, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: "Velvet"We're taxed on our taxes in Canada. The three levels of government are responsible for the decline of the middle class.

There is no socialist party anymore in Canada to advocate on behalf of working people. The NDP has been hijacked by rich enviro progs who don't need to work and don't want anyone else to work either.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
Quote from: "Velvet"We're taxed on our taxes in Canada. The three levels of government are responsible for the decline of the middle class.

That's not helping, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 13, 2018, 10:07:24 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
The job market in the US is the best I have seen it in twenty years. Maybe longer because so many people are entering the work force.


It is rebounding the way I hear it. VERY slowly here in my area though. I did see 2 new job postings for my field the other day, which is good lol. One was already snagged when I found it though.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2018, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Herman"
The job market in the US is the best I have seen it in twenty years. Maybe longer because so many people are entering the work force.


It is rebounding the way I hear it. VERY slowly here in my area though. I did see 2 new job postings for my field the other day, which is good lol. One was already snagged when I found it though.

Face it, your occupation is becoming extinct.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 13, 2018, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Face it, your occupation is becoming extinct.




Not so much my occupation. When I check the Seattle area, there are boat loads of 'em available. Its this area. Practically all the local major print shops have closed down, mine I work for is next. Then there is the ad agencies, which I use to work for one that closed down. They have very little staff, and there isnt very many agencies in the area. Printing occupations are becoming extinct though, thats for sure.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2018, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Face it, your occupation is becoming extinct.




Not so much my occupation. When I check the Seattle area, there are boat loads of 'em available. Its this area. Practically all the local major print shops have closed down, mine I work for is next. Then there is the ad agencies, which I use to work for one that closed down. They have very little staff, and there isnt very many agencies in the area. Printing occupations are becoming extinct though, thats for sure.

I haven't seen a printers shop in a long time.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2018, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Face it, your occupation is becoming extinct.




Not so much my occupation. When I check the Seattle area, there are boat loads of 'em available. Its this area. Practically all the local major print shops have closed down, mine I work for is next. Then there is the ad agencies, which I use to work for one that closed down. They have very little staff, and there isnt very many agencies in the area. Printing occupations are becoming extinct though, thats for sure.

That surprises anywhere has a lot of printing jobs.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 13, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
That surprises anywhere has a lot of printing jobs.


Sorry, I meant my occupation as a graphic designer in the Seattle area lol. Yeah print jobs are dwindling fast.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2018, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
That surprises anywhere has a lot of printing jobs.


Sorry, I meant my occupation as a graphic designer in the Seattle area lol. Yeah print jobs are dwindling fast.

I think posters thought you were a printer.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 13, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I think posters thought you were a printer.


I was thinking there was a lil confusion lol. I do work for a print shop, and I do run a commercial size digital press, and a small digital press. So technically I am these days lol, but my position is a graphic designer, and I was a graphic designer at my previous job. I didnt get paid any extra for doing the other work either, still the same pay after 8 years.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2018, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I think posters thought you were a printer.


I was thinking there was a lil confusion lol. I do work for a print shop, and I do run a commercial size digital press, and a small digital press. So technically I am these days lol, but my position is a graphic designer, and I was a graphic designer at my previous job. I didnt get paid any extra for doing the other work either, still the same pay after 8 years.

How did you become a graphic designer Blazor?



Is there a professional certification?
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Angry White Male on March 14, 2018, 12:10:19 AM
Quote from: "Blazor"Sorry, I meant my occupation as a graphic designer in the Seattle area lol. Yeah print jobs are dwindling fast.

Here's one example:  I had my business cards printed through Vistaprint.  It was easy for me to design my own card, and cheap for them to make them and mail them to me.



Historically, people would have went to a brick & mortar print shop to get things like that made, but not anymore...
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2018, 07:56:11 AM
That's how my husband's shop makes their business cards, but I think they use Staples.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 14, 2018, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
How did you become a graphic designer Blazor?



Is there a professional certification?


Well, I was delivering pizzas, when a couple started working there part time. That couple owned an ad agency. They thought I was smart, smart on computers, and that I would take to that line of work "like a duck to water" lol. So they offered me a job there, put me on websites, and had me take training courses online. At the time I think I went through roughly 100 hours of training, just to learn the software. The agency taught me design. I dont have any certifications though. After doing the website work for a lil bit, they had me do print related stuff too. The art director would do the front end, and I would do the rest. They even had me doing photography and video work too. Had me go do press checks. I worked there for 4 years.



Then along came Obama, the housing crisis happened, and most of our clients at the agency were housing related. So there went a LOT of our work, like 85-90%. I got laid off.



I tried to find work for 8 months, could not find anything, and believe me I tried hard. While laid off, the salesman that worked at the agency, knew I did most of the work. He had one client of his own, in the parts industry for trains. So he helped me get set up at home with my own software, which btw aint cheap, like almost $2000 for the software suite. I made roughly $3000 a year with him, up until last year, when the company we did the work for got bought out by another company. They had their own design team, so we got let go.



After that 8 months of lay off, besides his work, a company 50 miles from home seen my application online, seen that one of my references was an ex employee of theirs, so they hired me. I've been here 8 years now.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 14, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Blazor"Sorry, I meant my occupation as a graphic designer in the Seattle area lol. Yeah print jobs are dwindling fast.

Here's one example:  I had my business cards printed through Vistaprint.  It was easy for me to design my own card, and cheap for them to make them and mail them to me.



Historically, people would have went to a brick & mortar print shop to get things like that made, but not anymore...


Thats EXACTLY what is killing local print shops, the big box places like Vistaprint. We went digital nearly 5 years ago, but it was already too late. The way Vista gets by with it so cheap, is they also have a web press. They gang up multiple peoples orders, and let it roll. Quality control through places like that sucks though, I've seen their work. Reds come out orange sometimes, stuff is crooked, etc. They also hook you with a cheap price up front, but the shipping gets expensive, and the first purchase price is just a one time thing, next orders are a lil higher. Sadly, when this place goes down, any future prints I need will have to go through Vista or Staples as well.



Places like Vista are like Walmart, they are killing the quality mom and pop shops, and giving you cheap products.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2018, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Blazor"Sorry, I meant my occupation as a graphic designer in the Seattle area lol. Yeah print jobs are dwindling fast.

Here's one example:  I had my business cards printed through Vistaprint.  It was easy for me to design my own card, and cheap for them to make them and mail them to me.



Historically, people would have went to a brick & mortar print shop to get things like that made, but not anymore...


Thats EXACTLY what is killing local print shops, the big box places like Vistaprint. We went digital nearly 5 years ago, but it was already too late. The way Vista gets by with it so cheap, is they also have a web press. They gang up multiple peoples orders, and let it roll. Quality control through places like that sucks though, I've seen their work. Reds come out orange sometimes, stuff is crooked, etc. They also hook you with a cheap price up front, but the shipping gets expensive, and the first purchase price is just a one time thing, next orders are a lil higher. Sadly, when this place goes down, any future prints I need will have to go through Vista or Staples as well.



Places like Vista are like Walmart, they are killing the quality mom and pop shops, and giving you cheap products.

That's why I said printing is becoming extinct.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 14, 2018, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
That's why I said printing is becoming extinct.


For the mom and pop shops it is.



Though I remember reading an article 8 years ago, that printing would be extinct in 10 years. So far its pretty close. I doubt actual printing will ever become fully extinct.



Those web presses, I dont like 'em much. The quality on an offset press is so much better. Ever pick up a new magazine, and try and flip through it, only to find the pages stuck together with static? Thats from a web press.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Angry White Male on March 15, 2018, 02:45:27 AM
I'll be honest though...  My Vistaprint cards came to me as expected, with no flaws.



I'll relay another story to you.  I had my company name hand painted on the doors of my truck.  He used what they called 'one shot' paint, and it was applied by hand via brush.



I paid well over double than what I would have paid to have some vinyl pre-cuts slapped on there.  From a business perspective, I was dumb to spend extra having a guy paint on 'one shot' with a brush.



Nobody does this anymore.  I have people run their fingers over the lettering though, that aren't familiar with the 'school of old.'  It has a depth that vinyl will never have.



Nonetheless, hand painting?  It's not dying, it's dead.  And that's straight from the guy that did my doors!
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2018, 07:54:03 AM
Quote from: "Blazor"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
That's why I said printing is becoming extinct.


For the mom and pop shops it is.



Though I remember reading an article 8 years ago, that printing would be extinct in 10 years. So far its pretty close. I doubt actual printing will ever become fully extinct.



Those web presses, I dont like 'em much. The quality on an offset press is so much better. Ever pick up a new magazine, and try and flip through it, only to find the pages stuck together with static? Thats from a web press.

I know what you mean Blazor, but I didn't know what caused it.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 15, 2018, 09:37:05 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I know what you mean Blazor, but I didn't know what caused it.


Offset printing is single sheets. A powder gets used so they dont stick. Then it goes to bindery. A web press, the paper comes on a big roll, and its all assembled on the same press.
Title: Re: Data shows Canadian middle class shrinking in big cities
Post by: Blazor on March 15, 2018, 09:38:10 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I'll be honest though...  My Vistaprint cards came to me as expected, with no flaws.



I'll relay another story to you.  I had my company name hand painted on the doors of my truck.  He used what they called 'one shot' paint, and it was applied by hand via brush.



I paid well over double than what I would have paid to have some vinyl pre-cuts slapped on there.  From a business perspective, I was dumb to spend extra having a guy paint on 'one shot' with a brush.



Nobody does this anymore.  I have people run their fingers over the lettering though, that aren't familiar with the 'school of old.'  It has a depth that vinyl will never have.



Nonetheless, hand painting?  It's not dying, it's dead.  And that's straight from the guy that did my doors!


I know what you mean, I miss the old lead type printing. Something about feeling the lettering on the paper vs a smooth sheet where you cant.