Title: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2018, 04:26:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2018, 04:26:21 PM
When pollsters asks the American public to rate the importance of climate change versus other public-policy issues such as health, education, crime and homelessness, climate change comes last or next to last. When it asks the public to compare its concern over climate change with concern over other environmental issues, such as air and water quality or the state of forests, global warming again comes last.
Europeans also aren't fussed much by global warming. A study of 35,000 participants in 18 European countries by NatCen, Britain's largest independent social research agency, found that in most countries fewer than one quarter were either "extremely worried" or "very worried" at the prospect. The blasé three-quarters-plus cut across most demographics: educated and uneducated, young and old. A 25- or 35-year-old was no more likely to express concern than a 65- or a 75-year-old. The only factors that changed the degree of concern involved politics. Those on the left were more concerned than centrists or those on the right, but even then, a mere 38 per cent of these leftists considered themselves to be either extremely or very concerned.
To NatCen's disappointment, the high level of public apathy rules out any prospect that governments will muster the wherewithal to implement reforms. "Action to tackle a problem as significant as climate change will require the consent or support of a plurality of voters," concludes the NatCen report. "Currently we are a long way short of this."
Politicians may claim to be concerned — no doubt some personally are — but their commitment to the cause can be seen in their actions, not their words. Throughout most of the Western world, governments are slashing subsidies to renewables. The U.S. under Trump — who was elected on a promise to scuttle climate policies — has done so dramatically and decisively, pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, cutting funding for the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and pretty much withdrawing across the board. Other developed countries have withdrawn support with less fanfare, among them the U.K., Italy, Germany, Denmark, Portugal and Japan. Countries are failing to meet their carbon-cutting targets and refusing to make binding commitments for the future. Investment in the renewable industries has plummeted and bankruptcies abound. Wind turbines are beginning to be taken down.
As the sun slowly sets on the global warming industry, fossil fuel use is soaring, with oil and gas consumption at all-time highs and 1,600 new coal plants set to expand the world's coal-fired electricity capacity by 43 per cent.
The public's boredom with global warming hype is also seen in media coverage. "According to a yearlong study, climate change was largely ignored by the corporate broadcast evening news and Sunday shows on ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox Broadcasting Co.," states Media Matters, the George Soros-funded watchdog organization. "The study also found that the four corporate broadcast networks combined aired only four segments that discussed climate change in the context of natural disasters in the U.S. in 2017, despite it being a record year for weather and climate disasters."
The press once cared about climate change; politicians did, too, whenever it appeared to further their political careers. But the public may never have truly cared, if election results, rather than public opinion polls, are the measure. Canada was a pioneer in proving how little the public cared when, in 2008, Liberal leader Stéphane Dion vowed to introduce a carbon tax if elected prime minister, earning the Liberals' worst defeat since Confederation. Australia's Labour Party in 2013 also suffered a crushing defeat when it explicitly made carbon taxes a major campaign issue. Since then, political parties — the Trudeau Liberals included — have prudently downplayed climate-policy costs during their campaigns. There won't be any downplaying in Trudeau's next election, though, in 2019, when his carbon taxes will be front and centre.
Will he be able to prevail, where all others have failed? Good luck with that!
I guess Trudeau and the premiers of Ontario, Manitoba, Alberta, and BC did not get the message. They are all either increasing or introducing costs on consumers and businesses under the guise of climate change leadership.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Bricktop on March 23, 2018, 07:57:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 23, 2018, 07:57:48 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2018, 09:30:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2018, 09:30:05 PM
There will be a new scare now. The left needs a rallying point.Quote from: "Bricktop"
How much will it cost?
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Bricktop on March 23, 2018, 10:04:52 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 23, 2018, 10:04:52 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Angry White Male on March 23, 2018, 10:06:51 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 23, 2018, 10:06:51 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Berry Sweet on March 23, 2018, 10:08:09 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on March 23, 2018, 10:08:09 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Angry White Male on March 23, 2018, 10:08:57 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 23, 2018, 10:08:57 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 11:33:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 11:33:15 AM
As much as you've got. Their whole premise is to take YOUR money and give it to someone else.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They don't even pretend anymore that the confiscated money is used for anything, but general revenues. Very dishonest.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 03:12:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 03:12:51 PM
As much as you've got. Their whole premise is to take YOUR money and give it to someone else.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They don't even pretend anymore that the confiscated money is used for anything, but general revenues. Very dishonest.
Particularly when they never mentioned carbon sales tax during elections.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 05:52:03 PM
We are already paying over $1.50/liter here for fuel, with Diesel not being much far behind that...
They want to add even more taxes into that. Eventually my business rates will need to rise to cover this added cost, which as with all construction costs just eventually get passed on to the home buyer.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 06:04:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 06:04:24 PM
The left are idiots!Quote from: "Angry White Male"
We are already paying over $1.50/liter here for fuel, with Diesel not being much far behind that...
They want to add even more taxes into that. Eventually my business rates will need to rise to cover this added cost, which as with all construction costs just eventually get passed on to the home buyer.
We had another increase in our provincial carbon tax on January first of this year..
Everything is more expensive and the money is used for general revenue.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 06:09:39 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 06:09:39 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 06:12:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 06:12:25 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
Yet we have unemployed welfare bums (both White and Native) spending their days protesting the pipeline in Burnaby.
If I was Diktator, that trash woud have been swept away with powerful water cannons days ago!
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 06:28:16 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 25, 2018, 06:28:16 PM
Thought you were leaving. For good.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on March 25, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
As much as you've got. Their whole premise is to take YOUR money and give it to someone else.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They don't even pretend anymore that the confiscated money is used for anything, but general revenues. Very dishonest.
Particularly when they never mentioned carbon sales tax during elections.
It's a sales tax. It's spent no differently than the GST.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 06:22:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 06:22:24 PM
On Sunday, on CTV's Question Period, Environment Minister Catherine McKenna repeatedly dodged basic questions from host Evan Solomon on how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will reach his absurdly unrealistic 2030 greenhouse gas emission reduction target.
Instead, she veered off into a partisan rant about, how, because she has "three kids" and we need to "save the planet," she has "no time" for Canadians, including federal and provincial politicians, who oppose Trudeau's carbon pricing scheme.
McKenna equated that with climate denial, with those who, she said, "pretend that climate change isn't real."
So if you're not on board with Trudeau's carbon pricing scheme, according to McKenna, you're against children and the planet.
Last week, Trudeau in the House of Commons and McKenna in environment committee hearings, failed to answer another basic question posed by Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer and Tory MP Robert Sopuck, respectively.
That was: How much will Trudeau's $50 per tonne national carbon price (in 2022) reduce Canada's emissions?
(Thanks to my former Sun News colleague Brian Lilley for pointing this out on Twitter.)
The Trudeau-McKenna response was to attack the Conservatives under Stephen Harper for doing nothing about climate change during their 10 years in office, failing to mention that the prior Liberal governments of Jean Chretien and Paul Martin did nothing for 13 years before that.
The reason Trudeau and McKenna didn't say how many megatonnes of emissions the PM's $50 per tonne national carbon price will reduce Canada's emissions by — a megatonne or Mt represents a million tonnes of emissions — is that they don't know.
That's because imposing a national carbon price in the way Trudeau has done it will only tell the federal and compliant provincial governments how much money it will take from Canadians due to these emissions, not how much emissions will be reduced.
That can only be determined after the fact by trial and error, using the guideline that the higher the carbon price, the more emissions fall.
But even that isn't reliable if the goods and services to which the carbon price is applied are necessities, such as electricity or home heating fuel, which consumers must buy no matter the cost.
The government's own experts have advised McKenna that to reach Trudeau's emission target would, in their estimate, require a $100 per tonne carbon price by 2020 (not $50 by 2022) and up to $300 per tonne by 2050.
At one point in Solomon's questioning of McKenna, citing a recent report by the federal environment commissioner and nine provincial auditors general that Canada isn't on track to meet its 2020 or 2030 targets, McKenna descended into fantasy.
"Our emissions were going up when we came into government," McKenna responded, "and actually the UN report, it showed, 200 megatonnes — that probably doesn't mean much to people — that's a significant drop in our emissions."
But the UN report doesn't say Canada reduced its emissions by 200 Mt under the Liberals, which is what McKenna implied.
It says Canada must cut its emissions by 219 Mt by 2030 to meet Trudeau's target (which used to be Harper's target) of 30% below 2005 levels by then.
To do that, Trudeau would have to shut down the equivalent of Canada's transportation sector (173 Mt annually) and waste disposal sector (48 Mt annually) in less than 13 years.
Since Canada's emissions dropped by a mere 5 Mt between 2014 and 2015 to 722 Mt, the last year for which statistics are available, this seems highly unlikely.
The truth is Liberal and Conservative governments have failed to meet their emission reduction targets for a quarter century.
The only difference now is that the Trudeau Liberals want to charge us for their failures.
Typical McKenna/Trudeau obfuscation when asked how much will it cost Canadians and how much it move the climate needle; climate change is real and I have no time for deniers. Thanks for not answering simple questions.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
The incoming national carbon tax that she's been promoting alongside Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is really taking a beating. So much so that the majority of Canadians might be asking for its repeal come the next election.
McKenna, the environment and climate change minister, appeared on the Sunday talk show CTV Question Period to discuss issues pertinent to her file with host Evan Solomon.
An increasing number of mainstream political leaders are speaking defiantly against carbon taxes and are poised to bring millions of Canadian voters along with them for the ride.
This trend doesn't sit well with McKenna. "I have no time for folks who are like, you know, 'We shouldn't take action,'" she told Solomon, adding, "I don't have time for politicians that play cynical games about climate action."
She was pressed on the fact that when you're in government it's your job to have time for those who disagree with you, to which she responded: "I have time for Canadians who disagree with me, and I have conversations with them all the time... But I don't have time for politicians that pretend climate change isn't real."
It was a classic obfuscation trick. No one is saying whether climate change is or isn't real. They're saying they don't like carbon taxes.
The recent Manitoba budget offers just one more reason to oppose the tax: despite being sold as revenue neutral, the province's version of the tax will cost families $300 per year and is profiting government coffers over $100 million.
Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe is against it. Alberta United Conservative Leader Jason Kenney is against it. Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford is against it. These three leaders (one a current premier, the other two poised to win upcoming elections) represent more than half the population.
This should be a clear signal to Trudeau to back off. While the carbon tax was in the Liberal 2015 Real Change platform, it was not a primary plank. The election wasn't fought over it; the tax never received a firm mandate.
"We'll be a force to be reckoned with," Ford told me onstage at the Manning Networking Centre in February, over him and the other premiers taking this on. "Maybe he should revisit it," he said of Trudeau's position.
The most testy part of McKenna's interview though came when she was asked what she'd do if Moe, Kenney and Ford pursued legal action against the Liberal government.
"They'll lose in court," she hit back bluntly. While that could prove true, the notion of the federal government fighting in court to impose an unpopular tax on Canadians is horrendous optics.
For a while, Canadians seemed to accept carbon taxes as something of a fait accompli. People either didn't know much about it or, if they did, they figured it was already locked in and there was little they could do.
That's starting to shift, and fast. If Kenney and Ford win on this issue, they'll be giving federal Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer the green light to campaign hard against Trudeau's tax in 2019.
We could soon find ourselves like Australia. They introduced a carbon tax in 2012 without a clear mandate. It proved unpopular, an election was fought over it and a new government came to power that promptly axed the tax in 2014.
It already looks like Canada is heading that way.
Sorry McKenna, by this time next year there will be three premiers representing half of Canada's population who don't want to impose your blatant cash confiscation on their provinces. Refusing to answer questions and calling people deniers no longer washes.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
We wouldn't object to it if we felt it was making a difference to the climate and environment, but that is not the case..
It's an additional revenue source for the provincial government.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 08:02:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 08:02:18 PM
I live in a province with a very expensive carbon tax..Quote from: "Fashionista"
We wouldn't object to it if we felt it was making a difference to the climate and environment, but that is not the case..
It's an additional revenue source for the provincial government.
If you don't like having less disposable income, than remember that at your next provincial election and the next federal election.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 03:00:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 03:00:12 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
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Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 11:45:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 11:45:13 PM
Effective Sept. 2, gasoline will cost 5.32 cents more per litre and diesel will cost 6.71 cents more per litre.
Average Manitobans will pay an extra $125 per year at the pumps when the carbon tax takes effect on Sept. 1, the Progressive Conservatives' 2018-19 spending plan says.
Big emitters and agricultural producers will see exemptions, but the carbon tax will increase the cost of home heating and transportation fuel when it takes effect this fall, the provincial budget says.
Finance Minister Cameron Friesen tabled his third budget Monday, filling in a little more detail about its Made-in-Manitoba Climate and Green Plan.
The plan was introduced in October 2017 and includes a $25-per-tonne carbon tax for the next four years.
Effective Sept. 1, various fuels will see different price hikes under the tax, based on how much greenhouse gas they emit. The budget pins these at:
Gasoline – 5.32 cents/litre.
Diesel – 6.71 cents/litre.
Natural gas – 4.74 cents/cubic metre.
Propane – 3.87 cents/litre.
The budget estimates that will translate to an extra $115 more per year for natural gas for the average household, and an additional $125 for gas.
For the government, the tax will yield a net revenue of $143 million in the 2018-19 fiscal year, the budget says. A full 12-month period following implementation will yield a net revenue of $248 million, and most of that will come from space heating and transportation fuels, the budget says.
The sellout of the middle class by progs on the left and the right continues.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Our provincial government passed a carbon tax that will take effect September 1 f this year. It will be $25 per tonne carbon tax driving up gas prices by 5.32 cents/litre.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Effective Sept. 2, gasoline will cost 5.32 cents more per litre and diesel will cost 6.71 cents more per litre.
Average Manitobans will pay an extra $125 per year at the pumps when the carbon tax takes effect on Sept. 1, the Progressive Conservatives' 2018-19 spending plan says.
Big emitters and agricultural producers will see exemptions, but the carbon tax will increase the cost of home heating and transportation fuel when it takes effect this fall, the provincial budget says.
Finance Minister Cameron Friesen tabled his third budget Monday, filling in a little more detail about its Made-in-Manitoba Climate and Green Plan.
The plan was introduced in October 2017 and includes a $25-per-tonne carbon tax for the next four years.
Effective Sept. 1, various fuels will see different price hikes under the tax, based on how much greenhouse gas they emit. The budget pins these at:
Gasoline – 5.32 cents/litre.
Diesel – 6.71 cents/litre.
Natural gas – 4.74 cents/cubic metre.
Propane – 3.87 cents/litre.
The budget estimates that will translate to an extra $115 more per year for natural gas for the average household, and an additional $125 for gas.
For the government, the tax will yield a net revenue of $143 million in the 2018-19 fiscal year, the budget says. A full 12-month period following implementation will yield a net revenue of $248 million, and most of that will come from space heating and transportation fuels, the budget says.
The sellout of the middle class by progs on the left and the right continues.
At $25 per tonne, it's lower than ours, but it's still a cash take from the middle class..
Is their opposition to it IHJ?
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Wazzzup on April 14, 2018, 09:50:22 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 14, 2018, 09:50:22 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2018, 02:50:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2018, 02:50:22 AM
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He certainly followed the advice written on that banner.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2018, 05:28:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2018, 05:28:56 AM
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He walked the talk, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 05:07:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 05:07:01 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 06:14:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 06:14:48 PM
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I've seen that meme before and it's exaggerated, but so is most of what Al Gore has said about climate change.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
Small wonder the Trudeau government waited to release its annual report on Canada's industrial greenhouse gas emissions until the prime minister was in France, boasting about Canada's efforts to fight climate change.Quote
That's because Canada's latest report on emissions submitted to the United Nations shows an insignificant drop for 2016, the first year for which the Trudeau government is entirely responsible, and the last for which figures are available.
This despite the fact Canadians are paying billions of dollars in higher taxes and consumer prices annually for carbon pricing, a cost which will dramatically increase in future years.
The report provides further proof Canada will fail to meet its 2020 and 2030 emission reduction promises to the UN, although Environment Minister Catherine McKenna continues to insist — with decreasing credibility — that Canada is committed "all in" to its 2030 target.
Casting more doubt on the figures, the Trudeau government's annual report on emissions, released Tuesday, retroactively and mysteriously lowers them by a significant total of 55 megatonnes between 2010 and 2015 alone, compared to the same report, last year.
The latest report says Canada's emissions in 2016 were 704 Mt, down from 714 Mt in 2015, but down from 722 Mt in 2015 in the same report issued by the government a year ago in April 2017.
Either way, at 704 Mt, Canada is 191.6 Mt annually above Canada's target of 512.4 Mt for 2030, meaning 30% below 2005 emission levels of 732 Mt, inexplicably lowered from 738 Mt for 2005 in the same report last year.
A 191.6 Mt cut would require the federal government to shut down the equivalent of almost all of Canada's transportation sector, which emits 199 Mt annually, in less than 13 years.
That's impossible. The Trudeau government admitted as much last year, acknowledging that even if it implements its entire existing climate action plan — including measures not yet begun — it will still fall 66 Mt short of its 2030 target.
That would require the equivalent of shutting down Canada's entire agriculture sector (60 Mt annually), still leaving the government 6 Mt short, in less than 13 years.
For Canada to achieve Trudeau's 2020 target of reducing Canada's annual emissions to 17% below 2005 levels, or to 607.6 Mt annually — which the government seems to have abandoned — would require cutting our emissions by 96.4 Mt annually in less than three years, the equivalent of shutting down almost all of Canada's mining and upstream oil and gas production sector (100 Mt annually).
All of this is fantasy. The only way for Ottawa to achieve these targets would be for Canada to buy billions of dollars of carbon credits annually on fraud-ridden global markets.
There's also a credibility problem with the government's numbers, as this year's report significantly and retroactively lowers Canada's annual emissions compared to last year's.
In the same report one year ago, the government said Canada's annual emissions were 701 Mt in 2010; 707 Mt in 2011; 716 Mt in 2012; 729 Mt in 2013; 727 Mt in 2014 and 722 Mt in 2015.
In this year's report, the numbers are 694 Mt in 2010; 700 in 2011; 707 in 2012; 716 in 2013; 716 in 2014 and 714 in 2015.
That's claiming an additional, mysterious drop of 55 Mt in annual emissions between 2010 and 2015 alone in this year's report, compared to last year's.http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-trudeaus-carbon-scheme-takes-our-money-for-nothing
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 10:22:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 10:22:35 PM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: DKG on July 12, 2023, 08:47:39 AM
Post by: DKG on July 12, 2023, 08:47:39 AM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Lokmar on July 12, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
Post by: Lokmar on July 12, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: DKG on July 12, 2023, 09:40:11 AM
Post by: DKG on July 12, 2023, 09:40:11 AM
Well, the world's been going to end in 10 years ever since I was 8 or 9 years old which was in the 70's. Sooner or later, that shit gets old.
Radical left has always used fear.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Oerdin on July 12, 2023, 10:04:48 AM
Post by: Oerdin on July 12, 2023, 10:04:48 AM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: DKG on July 12, 2023, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: DKG on July 12, 2023, 10:08:00 AM
I am tired of all the alarmism and claims that the world is ending
I am tired of shutting down reliable forms of energy, industry and transportation based on exaggerated predictions. And then there are our two glorious carbon taxes that also drive inflation and poverty.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 18, 2023, 07:32:46 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 18, 2023, 07:32:46 AM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on July 18, 2023, 07:01:14 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on July 18, 2023, 07:01:14 PM
"Our overnight low was 94 degrees, nine degrees warmer than normal, and the ninth day in a row in Phoenix with overnight lows above 90. Today also breaks the record for consecutive days at 110 degrees or higher. The previous record was 18 days back in 1974"
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Some people at my work are saying it's climate change so I ask them " Then why was it so hot back in 1974 ? "
* deer in the headlights look *
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Herman on July 18, 2023, 08:36:42 PM
Post by: Herman on July 18, 2023, 08:36:42 PM
So anyway it's hotter than fuk here -
"Our overnight low was 94 degrees, nine degrees warmer than normal, and the ninth day in a row in Phoenix with overnight lows above 90. Today also breaks the record for consecutive days at 110 degrees or higher. The previous record was 18 days back in 1974"
-https://www.azfamily.com/2023/07/18/first-alert-weather-phoenix-breaks-record-number-consecutive-days-110-degrees/
Some people at my work are saying it's climate change so I ask them " Then why was it so hot back in 1974 ? "
* deer in the headlights look *
Oliver, how the hell are ya brother?
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: DKG on July 19, 2023, 01:04:31 PM
Post by: DKG on July 19, 2023, 01:04:31 PM
"The earth just broke the record for the hottest day in 120,000 years. In fact, we broke in on three separate days," Omar tweeted.
"National climate emergency now," she demanded.
Aside from the fact that the first reliable thermometer was not invented until 1714 by Daniel Fahrenheit, it was not until the 19th century that weather records were reliably maintained. And even then, records were not kept globally, thus it was impossible to measure worldwide weather data until the 20th century.
More from NASA:
Three of the world's most complete temperature tracking records – from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climactic Data Center and the UK Meteorological Office's Hadley Centre – begin in 1880. Prior to 1880, temperature measurements were made with instruments like thermometers.
The oldest continuous temperature record is the Central England Temperature Data Series, which began in 1659, and the Hadley Centre has some measurements beginning in 1850, but there are too few data before 1880 for scientists to estimate average temperatures for the entire planet.
Omar's claim appears to originate with the University of Maine's Climate Reanalyzer and a climate alarmist essay written by WFLA-TV meteorologist Jeff Berardelli.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 20, 2023, 06:04:52 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 20, 2023, 06:04:52 AM
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: DKG on July 20, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
Post by: DKG on July 20, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
Three new cases filed to the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) relate to a ban on the registration of new internal combustion vehicles after 2035, an increase in the EU's greenhouse gas reduction target, and a reduction of free emission allowances under the EU Emissions Trading System (ETS).
They follow another complaint filed last week against EU rules on land use, land use change and forestry (LULUCF), which Poland says infringes the competences of member states.
"Does the [European] Union want to decide in an authoritarian manner what kind of vehicles Poles will drive and whether energy prices will rise in Poland?" tweeted climate minister Anna Moskwa on Monday. "The Polish government will not allow Brussels' diktat."
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Oerdin on August 07, 2023, 12:50:52 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 07, 2023, 12:50:52 PM
One of the better refutations of the climate cultists I have seen.
https://youtu.be/sGkZthc-Rx4
https://youtu.be/sGkZthc-Rx4
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Oerdin on August 07, 2023, 01:32:41 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 07, 2023, 01:32:41 PM
https://youtu.be/ULKIWc02Kxc
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: DKG on August 29, 2023, 02:54:30 PM
Post by: DKG on August 29, 2023, 02:54:30 PM
The middle class will eventually tune out all do as I say, not as I do climate alarmists.
Trudeau's climate hypocrisy among many things annoying voters
Trudeau's polling numbers and voter support are falling, perhaps his utter climate hypocrisy has something to do with that.
Nothing shows your commitment to climate change like jetting across the country and lecturing others.
It's all good though, because Trudeau says the right words and backs a carbon tax even if it has done nothing to lowering Canada's carbon emissions.
"We're continuing to show leadership on climate," Trudeau said this week.
Trudeau has always been a do as I say, not as I do politician, the difference now is that it might be catching up to him. The latest poll from Abacus Data has the Conservatives leading the Liberals nationally with 38% support to 26%.
Poll after poll in the last several months has shown decreasing Liberal support to the point where Trudeau's party doesn't lead in voter support in a single region of the country. The Conservatives have a solid lead among men, have recently taken the lead among women and lead in every region except Quebec.
Maybe it's the housing crisis. Maybe it's the somewhat-related affordability crisis. Maybe it's Canadians growing tired of a politician who takes just the right tone to say just the right thing but then never delivers or lives the exact opposite way of what he demands of the rest of us.
Trudeau was just in British Columbia last week, for most of it he was on a family vacation but he was also taking meetings and working. If Trudeau were a man as concerned with climate change as he claims, as concerned with lowering his own emissions as he is lowering yours, he would have scheduled the $1,700 per person fundraiser on either side of his vacation.
Instead, he's jetting across the country to collect money from donors where he will no doubt wax poetically about his efforts on climate change. Don't let his brief appearance at the environmental conference fool you that he had to be in Vancouver on this date or that his presence is vital.
Trudeau is scheduled to deliver remarks at 4 p.m. (PT) before driving a few minutes up the street to the swanky Fairmont Hotel Vancouver for the first of two receptions listed on the Liberal website starting at 5 p.m. (PT).
Don't worry, flying out to this event will expand Trudeau's carbon footprint dramatically, but he supports a carbon tax, which doesn't really matter. In it's four years of existence, the carbon tax hasn't lowered emissions, it's just enriched government coffers.
When politicians tell you to pay more so that emissions will drop and they don't, when politicians tell you they will make housing and your life more affordable and they don't, when those same politicians tell you they will run an ethical government and they don't, eventually the public will catch on, or become tired of seeing you, as they do with all political leaders.
That's where Justin Trudeau is right now, but whether he realizes that as he flies 40,000 feet above us from event to event is another question.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeaus-climate-hypocrisy-one-of-many-things-annoying-voters
Trudeau's climate hypocrisy among many things annoying voters
Trudeau's polling numbers and voter support are falling, perhaps his utter climate hypocrisy has something to do with that.
Nothing shows your commitment to climate change like jetting across the country and lecturing others.
It's all good though, because Trudeau says the right words and backs a carbon tax even if it has done nothing to lowering Canada's carbon emissions.
"We're continuing to show leadership on climate," Trudeau said this week.
Trudeau has always been a do as I say, not as I do politician, the difference now is that it might be catching up to him. The latest poll from Abacus Data has the Conservatives leading the Liberals nationally with 38% support to 26%.
Poll after poll in the last several months has shown decreasing Liberal support to the point where Trudeau's party doesn't lead in voter support in a single region of the country. The Conservatives have a solid lead among men, have recently taken the lead among women and lead in every region except Quebec.
Maybe it's the housing crisis. Maybe it's the somewhat-related affordability crisis. Maybe it's Canadians growing tired of a politician who takes just the right tone to say just the right thing but then never delivers or lives the exact opposite way of what he demands of the rest of us.
Trudeau was just in British Columbia last week, for most of it he was on a family vacation but he was also taking meetings and working. If Trudeau were a man as concerned with climate change as he claims, as concerned with lowering his own emissions as he is lowering yours, he would have scheduled the $1,700 per person fundraiser on either side of his vacation.
Instead, he's jetting across the country to collect money from donors where he will no doubt wax poetically about his efforts on climate change. Don't let his brief appearance at the environmental conference fool you that he had to be in Vancouver on this date or that his presence is vital.
Trudeau is scheduled to deliver remarks at 4 p.m. (PT) before driving a few minutes up the street to the swanky Fairmont Hotel Vancouver for the first of two receptions listed on the Liberal website starting at 5 p.m. (PT).
Don't worry, flying out to this event will expand Trudeau's carbon footprint dramatically, but he supports a carbon tax, which doesn't really matter. In it's four years of existence, the carbon tax hasn't lowered emissions, it's just enriched government coffers.
When politicians tell you to pay more so that emissions will drop and they don't, when politicians tell you they will make housing and your life more affordable and they don't, when those same politicians tell you they will run an ethical government and they don't, eventually the public will catch on, or become tired of seeing you, as they do with all political leaders.
That's where Justin Trudeau is right now, but whether he realizes that as he flies 40,000 feet above us from event to event is another question.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeaus-climate-hypocrisy-one-of-many-things-annoying-voters
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: DKG on September 14, 2023, 09:00:53 PM
Post by: DKG on September 14, 2023, 09:00:53 PM
If Trudeau had capped the carbon tax at $50 per tonne, Canadians would not be so cynical about it. But, the fiscally reckless Liberals needed revenue and they thought they could get more of it by telling Canadians they are robbing them to fight climate change.
Climate change no longer winning issue for Trudeau
The reason is that while most Canadians believe human-induced climate change is real, most don't believe Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's carbon tax is an effective way to address it.
That undermines the conventional wisdom of Trudeau and the Liberal caucus now meeting in London, Ont., trying to come up with ways to blunt the summer surge in opinion polls favouring Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre and his party.
That is, their core belief the Conservatives are unelectable, unless they address climate change in the same way the Liberals have — through a carbon tax.
But that's not what polling of Canadians suggests.
What it suggests is that the Liberals are in trouble on one of Trudeau's signature policies.
For example, a Leger poll released this week found that while 72% of Canadians are worried about climate change, 74% believe that extreme weather events are linked to it and 65% believe they will occur more often in future, it's also not a priority for them right now.
When the poll of 1,526 Canadian adults from September 8-10 asked about the biggest issue facing Canada today, 33% chose inflation, 16% housing affordability, 9% the economy, 8% rising interest rates, all ahead of climate change at 7%.
Canadians were divided on whether they're prepared to change their behaviour to fight climate change if it comes with "a certain financial cost", with 40% saying yes, 36% no and 24% unsure.
Even more concerning for Trudeau and the Liberals — given that they are imposing higher costs on Canadians through their carbon tax, is a Nanos/CTV poll last month which found most people don't think it's effective.
That survey of 1,081 Canadian adults from July 30 to Aug. 2, found a majority — 53% — believe the federal carbon tax is ineffective in combatting climate change, compared to only 15% who think it is very effective and 23% who think it is somewhat effective, with 9% unsure.
The numbers were even worse for the Liberals on the question of whether Canadians believe the carbon tax on gasoline is effective in getting people to use less fuel, with 65% saying it's ineffective compared to only 32% who describe it as effective, with 3% unsure.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-climate-change-no-longer-winning-issue-for-trudeau
Climate change no longer winning issue for Trudeau
The reason is that while most Canadians believe human-induced climate change is real, most don't believe Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's carbon tax is an effective way to address it.
That undermines the conventional wisdom of Trudeau and the Liberal caucus now meeting in London, Ont., trying to come up with ways to blunt the summer surge in opinion polls favouring Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre and his party.
That is, their core belief the Conservatives are unelectable, unless they address climate change in the same way the Liberals have — through a carbon tax.
But that's not what polling of Canadians suggests.
What it suggests is that the Liberals are in trouble on one of Trudeau's signature policies.
For example, a Leger poll released this week found that while 72% of Canadians are worried about climate change, 74% believe that extreme weather events are linked to it and 65% believe they will occur more often in future, it's also not a priority for them right now.
When the poll of 1,526 Canadian adults from September 8-10 asked about the biggest issue facing Canada today, 33% chose inflation, 16% housing affordability, 9% the economy, 8% rising interest rates, all ahead of climate change at 7%.
Canadians were divided on whether they're prepared to change their behaviour to fight climate change if it comes with "a certain financial cost", with 40% saying yes, 36% no and 24% unsure.
Even more concerning for Trudeau and the Liberals — given that they are imposing higher costs on Canadians through their carbon tax, is a Nanos/CTV poll last month which found most people don't think it's effective.
That survey of 1,081 Canadian adults from July 30 to Aug. 2, found a majority — 53% — believe the federal carbon tax is ineffective in combatting climate change, compared to only 15% who think it is very effective and 23% who think it is somewhat effective, with 9% unsure.
The numbers were even worse for the Liberals on the question of whether Canadians believe the carbon tax on gasoline is effective in getting people to use less fuel, with 65% saying it's ineffective compared to only 32% who describe it as effective, with 3% unsure.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-climate-change-no-longer-winning-issue-for-trudeau
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Oerdin on September 16, 2023, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: Oerdin on September 16, 2023, 10:37:00 AM
Not fast enough.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Thiel on December 07, 2023, 06:45:36 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 07, 2023, 06:45:36 PM
This was written by James Taylor of the Heartland Institute.
Around 100,000 people traveled to Dubai for the right to pontificate and pretend they're fighting climate change. In reality, most of them are merely fighting against sincerity and good taste.
The women who wear $2,000 jackets perfectly matching their even more expensive blouses never take off their stylish jackets either. Better to sweat and endure stifling tropical desert heat than to miss an opportunity to impress your fellow NGO prom-goers with your height-of-fashion attire.
Apparently, these holier-than-thou climate warriors missed the memo about buying only three garments per year and flying in an airplane only once every three years. The U.N. has a program called the #ActNow fashion challenge. According to the program's propaganda, the fashion industry is responsible for 8% to 10% of global carbon dioxide emissions. (If we were to add up the asserted emissions percentages of this sector and that, I am quite sure the number is well over 100%.)
Inside the themed pavilions within the COP compound, large corporations invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in extravagant booths touting their green credentials. Many of the "booths" are more like large Hollywood movie studios. Each of these corporate studios touts how the company has discovered and is implementing the silver bullet to eliminate global emissions and save the planet. All they need, and all they are asking for, is government subsidies and laws eliminating people's ability to choose products or energy sources for themselves.
At the end of the day, approximately 100,000 people will have traveled to Dubai — most via vilified carbon dioxide-spewing airplanes — for the right to try to impress each other and pontificate to their donors and the general public that they were at COP28 fighting climate change. In reality, the vast majority of people here are merely fighting against sincerity and good taste.
Around 100,000 people traveled to Dubai for the right to pontificate and pretend they're fighting climate change. In reality, most of them are merely fighting against sincerity and good taste.
The women who wear $2,000 jackets perfectly matching their even more expensive blouses never take off their stylish jackets either. Better to sweat and endure stifling tropical desert heat than to miss an opportunity to impress your fellow NGO prom-goers with your height-of-fashion attire.
Apparently, these holier-than-thou climate warriors missed the memo about buying only three garments per year and flying in an airplane only once every three years. The U.N. has a program called the #ActNow fashion challenge. According to the program's propaganda, the fashion industry is responsible for 8% to 10% of global carbon dioxide emissions. (If we were to add up the asserted emissions percentages of this sector and that, I am quite sure the number is well over 100%.)
Inside the themed pavilions within the COP compound, large corporations invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in extravagant booths touting their green credentials. Many of the "booths" are more like large Hollywood movie studios. Each of these corporate studios touts how the company has discovered and is implementing the silver bullet to eliminate global emissions and save the planet. All they need, and all they are asking for, is government subsidies and laws eliminating people's ability to choose products or energy sources for themselves.
At the end of the day, approximately 100,000 people will have traveled to Dubai — most via vilified carbon dioxide-spewing airplanes — for the right to try to impress each other and pontificate to their donors and the general public that they were at COP28 fighting climate change. In reality, the vast majority of people here are merely fighting against sincerity and good taste.
Title: Re: Voters tiring of climate change
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 07, 2023, 11:23:22 PM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 07, 2023, 11:23:22 PM
I wonder how many of those assclowns had layovers in Munich...