Title: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 01:48:05 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 01:48:05 PM
In recent days, Trump has repeatedly tweeted about a caravan of illegal immigrants making their way from Honduras to the US border via Mexico. The President had threatened to end the NAFTA agreement if the Mexican government did not stop the caravan and to end U.S. aid to Honduras.Quote
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Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 01:58:26 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 01:58:26 PM
I believe it was estimated at 1500. It may be less now. When Trump threatened NAFTA Mexico decided it needed to do something.How many people are in the caravan Wazzzup?Quote from: "Fashionista"
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Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 02:01:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 02:01:15 PM
How many people are in the caravan Wazzzup?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Were they planning on entering the US illegally or asking for asylum?
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Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 03:25:12 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 03:25:12 PM
How many people are in the caravan Wazzzup?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Were they planning on entering the US illegally or asking for asylum?
I've seen some news items say they are "demanding asylum" but that could be a mischaracterization. If they are asking for it and willing to hear "no" then that is fine. If they are demanding it, or going to march into the US anyway, they need to be stopped and or arrested.
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Post by: Frood on April 03, 2018, 04:36:59 PM
Post by: Frood on April 03, 2018, 04:36:59 PM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
Ditto thatMarching in a large group into another nation with expectations is an assault. They need to build that wall.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 04:47:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 04:47:05 PM
How many people are in the caravan Wazzzup?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Were they planning on entering the US illegally or asking for asylum?
I've seen some news items say they are "demanding asylum" but that could be a mischaracterization. If they are asking for it and willing to hear "no" then that is fine. If they are demanding it, or going to march into the US anyway, they need to be stopped and or arrested.
If they ask for asylum, they have to accept that coming from Honduras there's a strong probability their applications will be rejected.
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Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 03, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
How many people are in the caravan Wazzzup?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Were they planning on entering the US illegally or asking for asylum?
I've seen some news items say they are "demanding asylum" but that could be a mischaracterization. If they are asking for it and willing to hear "no" then that is fine. If they are demanding it, or going to march into the US anyway, they need to be stopped and or arrested.
If they ask for asylum, they have to accept that coming from Honduras there's a strong probability their applications will be rejected.
Honduras has the worlds highest murder rate per country.
which is probably why you said that.
IMO only refugess in danger of genocide should be given asylum in the US. And they should be allowed in small quota numbers and vetted. All other immigrants should be admitted on a points system, and limited by quota as well.
The US, Australia, Canada etc are great countries to live in. Efforts should be made to insure they remain that way.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: Bricktop on April 03, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 03, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
Mexico has systematically undermined its communities by sending millions of its people over the border, in return for billions of dollars being sent back.
The Mexican government is complicit in the "invasion" of the US.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 07:26:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 07:26:24 PM
How many people are in the caravan Wazzzup?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Were they planning on entering the US illegally or asking for asylum?
I've seen some news items say they are "demanding asylum" but that could be a mischaracterization. If they are asking for it and willing to hear "no" then that is fine. If they are demanding it, or going to march into the US anyway, they need to be stopped and or arrested.
If they ask for asylum, they have to accept that coming from Honduras there's a strong probability their applications will be rejected.
Honduras has the worlds highest murder rate per country.https://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-world/5/
which is probably why you said that.
IMO only refugess in danger of genocide should be given asylum in the US. And they should be allowed in small quota numbers and vetted. All other immigrants should be admitted on a points system, and limited by quota as well.
The US, Australia, Canada etc are great countries to live in. Efforts should be made to insure they remain that way.
Exactly. Honduras is a crime ridden hole for sure. But, that doesn't meet the UN definition; "refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group."
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: Bricktop on April 03, 2018, 07:27:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 03, 2018, 07:27:46 PM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 07:33:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 07:33:47 PM
And even then, that does not explain why safe, well governed countries have to take them in. Let them deal with their own mess.Quote from: "Bricktop"
We don't have to take people fleeing high crime rates. We take people fleeing persecution.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanidng to be Let in the US
Post by: IRISH KAM on April 04, 2018, 05:54:41 PM
Post by: IRISH KAM on April 04, 2018, 05:54:41 PM
How many people are in the caravan Wazzzup?Quote from: "Fashionista"
1200 potential Rapists / Gang Bangers / Thieves . Ect .
The US has Drones .........USE EM !
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Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 10:45:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2018, 10:45:38 PM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 12:23:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 12:23:25 AM
And guaranteeing at least one beaner will wear a bullet or two...Quote from: "Bricktop"
Don't invade another country and bring poison with them and their lives will not be in danger.
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Post by: cc on April 05, 2018, 12:25:52 AM
Post by: cc on April 05, 2018, 12:25:52 AM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 12:27:28 AM
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 12:27:28 AM
And guaranteeing at least one beaner will wear a bullet or two...Quote from: "Bricktop"
Don't invade another country and bring poison with them and their lives will not be in danger.
Correctamundo.
A couple of bullet ridden corpses might get some respect for the border.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 12:32:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 12:32:29 AM
Word now is that it is breaking up .. if that is true, it's ONLY because Trump's strong words and promised actions to Mexico paid offQuote from: "cc"
See what real leadership can do.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 12:45:13 AM
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 12:45:13 AM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: cc on April 05, 2018, 01:11:48 AM
Post by: cc on April 05, 2018, 01:11:48 AM
Word now is that it is breaking up .. if that is true, it's ONLY because Trump's strong words and promised actions to Mexico paid offQuote from: "cc"
See what real leadership can do.
Strong leadership has not been seen anywhere in the entire West for a long while now
He is showing strength and determination to deliver on many fronts
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Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 08:56:08 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 08:56:08 AM
Do we know anything about them?
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 12:28:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 12:28:57 PM
Meanwhile, people continue to pour into Canada illegally ...Quote
While Canadians have grown accustomed to reports of high numbers of people illegally flooding into their own country, new reports indicate the opposite is also happening.
The U.S. Customs and Border Patrol had a "busy weekend" a few days ago as they apprehended 20 individuals crossing illegally into their country from Canada. The illegal crossings took place on the borders of New York, Vermont and New Hampshire.
In the middle of the night last Friday, Champlain Border Patrol guards stopped nine people crossing via the West Service Road in Champlain, New York.
"All the individuals are citizens of Haiti with no immigration documents that would allow them to legally enter or remain in the United States," a U.S. Customs release states. "Agents apprehended all nine individuals and transported them to the Champlain Station for processing."
The next day, eight people were apprehended crossing into Vermont. Seven of them are Romanian citizens and one is a German citizen. The day after that a Guatemalan man crossed into Vermont on a bicycle, followed by two more Guatemalans crossing later in the day into New Hampshire.
When people cross illegally into Canada, the response from the federal government has typically been to provide them with housing and support until their asylum claim can be heard many months and potentially years from their date of arrival.
The United States appears to be treating those crossing illegally into their country differently, instead gearing them up for deportation as soon as possible.
All of the apprehended individuals were turned over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Office of Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) for removal proceedings," reads a release.
It's unknown why these individuals chose to leave Canada for the United States and Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen's office did not immediately respond to questions from Postmedia.
However, asylum seekers in Canada – particularly those from Haiti – have learned that staying here may not be as easy as they first thought.
Only around 10% of the almost 15,000 Haitian asylum seekers who came to Canada last year have so far been allowed to stay.
A recent Postmedia story reported on internal government emails that revealed how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau created chaos and confusion at the border by issuing his #WelcomeToCanada social media post in January of last year that was circulated around the world as a mistaken indication that Canada had open borders.http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-u-s-border-patrol-sounds-alarm-over-illegal-entries-arriving-from-canada
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Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 10:53:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2018, 10:53:03 PM
Illegal aliens are still using Canada to sneak into the US.Quote from: "Shen Li"
And if they are caught, they are sent back here.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 11:23:28 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 05, 2018, 11:23:28 PM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Frood on April 06, 2018, 01:59:37 AM
Post by: Frood on April 06, 2018, 01:59:37 AM
Who made this caravan of Honduran migrants?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Do we know anything about them?
Pueblos Sin Fronteras has been organizing these marches for over 7 years but originally it wasn't to the US border.
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Post by: Berry Sweet on April 06, 2018, 02:33:21 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on April 06, 2018, 02:33:21 AM
And even then, that does not explain why safe, well governed countries have to take them in. Let them deal with their own mess.Quote from: "Bricktop"
We don't have to take people fleeing high crime rates. We take people fleeing persecution.
So many manipulate the situation. People today are disgusting.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 09:08:09 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 09:08:09 AM
Who made this caravan of Honduran migrants?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Do we know anything about them?
Pueblos Sin Fronteras has been organizing these marches for over 7 years but originally it wasn't to the US border.
Okay thanks.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
They are cooperating on those issues? Really? REALLY?
In a nonbinding resolution approved unanimously on Wednesday, (Mexican) senators said they condemned Trump's "baseless and offensive comments about Mexico and Mexicans and demand the treatment that the relationship between neighbors, partners, and allies requires."Quote
Lawmakers rejected "categorically the intention of President Donald Trump to militarize the border with Mexico and consider such action one insult more."
Mexico is like the neighbor who lets his dogs shit all over your lawn, and then gets angry that you're putting a fence up.
BTW If canada ever wanted to put a wall up on the Can-Am Border I wouldn't be "offended" IMO Every nation should have the right to control its borders.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 11:27:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 11:27:57 AM
In the wake of President Donald Trump's directive to deploy National Guard troops to the US-Mexico border, senators in Mexico are calling on their government to retaliate by cutting off cooperation on security and immigration issues.
They are cooperating on those issues? Really? REALLY?
In a nonbinding resolution approved unanimously on Wednesday, (Mexican) senators said they condemned Trump's "baseless and offensive comments about Mexico and Mexicans and demand the treatment that the relationship between neighbors, partners, and allies requires."Quote
Lawmakers rejected "categorically the intention of President Donald Trump to militarize the border with Mexico and consider such action one insult more."
Mexico is like the neighbor who lets his dogs shit all over your lawn, and then gets angry that you're putting a fence up.
BTW If canada ever wanted to put a wall up on the Can-Am Border I wouldn't be "offended" IMO Every nation should have the right to control its borders.
Any country other than the USA(except for Canada) would have taken action long ago to block the flow of drugs and illegal aliens.
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Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 11:58:53 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 11:58:53 AM
In the wake of President Donald Trump's directive to deploy National Guard troops to the US-Mexico border, senators in Mexico are calling on their government to retaliate by cutting off cooperation on security and immigration issues.
They are cooperating on those issues? Really? REALLY?In a nonbinding resolution approved unanimously on Wednesday, (Mexican) senators said they condemned Trump's "baseless and offensive comments about Mexico and Mexicans and demand the treatment that the relationship between neighbors, partners, and allies requires."Quote
Lawmakers rejected "categorically the intention of President Donald Trump to militarize the border with Mexico and consider such action one insult more."
Mexico is like the neighbor who lets his dogs shit all over your lawn, and then gets angry that you're putting a fence up.
BTW If canada ever wanted to put a wall up on the Can-Am Border I wouldn't be "offended" IMO Every nation should have the right to control its borders.
Any country other than the USA(except for Canada) would have taken action long ago to block the flow of drugs and illegal aliens.
Right, And we should have done it long ago, so much damage has already been done. Better late than never though.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
Right, And we should have done it long ago, so much damage has already been done. Better late than never though.
I don't understand why they didn't do something about it when there was bipartisan support for it.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 02:58:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 02:58:19 PM
Right, And we should have done it long ago, so much damage has already been done. Better late than never though.
I don't understand why they didn't do something about it when there was bipartisan support for it.
Americans don't seem to a make any distinctinction between lawful and unlawful immigration.
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Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 03:28:20 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 03:28:20 PM
Right, And we should have done it long ago, so much damage has already been done. Better late than never though.
I don't understand why they didn't do something about it when there was bipartisan support for it.
that's a good question. I think what happened is firstly we have had a problem with illegals and drugs coming over since the 60s. But the immigration was always a trickle. GW Bush eased up on immigration and then Obama basically stopped enforcing illegal immigration laws all together. that's when people realized we had a huge problem. and that is one of the main reasons Trump won the republican nomination, because he is the only one who looked serious about cutting off Muslim immigration and illegals.
It was like the Muslim crisis in Europe. some people knew it was bad, but when Merkel let in a million Muslims into Germany, people that weren't paying attention before started paying attention.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 03:32:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2018, 03:32:24 PM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
Right, And we should have done it long ago, so much damage has already been done. Better late than never though.
I don't understand why they didn't do something about it when there was bipartisan support for it.
Americans don't seem to a make any distinctinction between lawful and unlawful immigration.
there's a llot pof deliberate deception regarding that. I have lost counht of articles I have seen where the word illegal is left off deliberately and the news will just say immigration. The objective- to portray oppostition to illegal immigration as opposing all immigration and of course the obligatory ad hominems that go with it-- xenophobe, racist et al.
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Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 03:44:39 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 06, 2018, 03:44:39 PM
So, illegal immigration from Mexico was only a trickle until 2001 with George W. Bush?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Actually I'm not sure, I found this graph (I don;t know if the source is good or not) but I think the problem had to be preceived as serious before people woke up and said "there is a problem here."
it looks like the immigration snowball started during Clinton with about 4 million illegals added, and then Bush with another 4 million, it appears that Obama didn't really add many, that surprises me, but if the graph is accurate, I guess that's what happened.
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Post by: Odinson on April 06, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
Post by: Odinson on April 06, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
I generalize and say brown because many of these refugees arent even from war torn countries... Indians and latinos have also arrived seeking asylum.
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Wazzzup on April 07, 2018, 12:10:03 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 07, 2018, 12:10:03 PM
Title: Re: Caravan of Illegal South American Immigrants Demanding to be Let in the US
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 12:12:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 12:12:33 PM
This should have been ended long ago. Better late then never though (I am sure the libs will challenge in courts)Quote from: "Wazzzup"Attorney General Announces Zero-Tolerance Policy for Criminal Illegal Entryhttps://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry
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Post by: Wazzzup on April 07, 2018, 12:24:19 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on April 07, 2018, 12:24:19 PM
This should have been ended long ago. Better late then never though (I am sure the libs will challenge in courts)Quote from: "Wazzzup"Attorney General Announces Zero-Tolerance Policy for Criminal Illegal Entryhttps://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry Catch and release, that's what they do when they find moose or cougars within Calgary city limits.
Its a good policy for widlelife, who you release into the wold and hope to never hear from again.
When soemone is here illegally they are given a ticket to show up for court. And much like the wildlife, 95% are never heard from again. So they get away with it. But hopefully not anymore.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:56:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2018, 02:56:20 PM
So, illegal immigration from Mexico was only a trickle until 2001 with George W. Bush?Quote from: "Fashionista"
Actually I'm not sure, I found this graph (I don;t know if the source is good or not) but I think the problem had to be preceived as serious before people woke up and said "there is a problem here."(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://immigration.procon.org/files/1-illegal-immigration-images/population-of-immigrants-in-the-country-illegally-2016.PNG%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://immigration.procon.org/files/1-%20...%20y-2016.PNG%22%3Ehttps://immigration.procon.org/files/1-illegal-immigration-images/population-of-immigrants-in-the-country-illegally-2016.PNG%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
it looks like the immigration snowball started during Clinton with about 4 million illegals added, and then Bush with another 4 million, it appears that Obama didn't really add many, that surprises me, but if the graph is accurate, I guess that's what happened.
It did level off after the 2008 financial crisis.