Survivors of Syria chemical attack 'forced to leave or die' (//http)
GAZIANTEP, Turkey – Survivors described it as something akin to a horror movie: babies foaming at the mouth, children choking and victims wailing as their eyes burned.
Those in the rebel-held Syrian enclave of Douma say they immediately knew their region had again been assaulted by chemical weapons -- and something stronger than just chlorine.
Ahmed Saleh, a 26-year-old volunteer with the Syrian Civil Defense -- also known as the White Helmets -- told Fox News that the suspect rockets landed in an area called Al Shohada Square around 7:30 p.m. Saturday.
"There was a strong smell, and we entered one of the shelters to help the civilians there, but I couldn't go all the way because I felt the symptoms of suffocation, difficulty breathing; my tears began to fall profusely," he recalled. "We, paramedics, saw everyone in the shelter lying on the ground. I do not know whether they were dead or alive, but none of them were movin
I don't get this and am skeptical that Syria would do it, knowing they would lose 1000 X more than they could gain using them
This assumes that the Syrian armed forces are under the control of the Government.
What is clear is that Government control is patchy and kaotic, as is Russia's "influence".
However, that does not exempt Assad from culpability. Time for some more cruise missiles. In Damascus.
Good points
BBC - A military airport in Syria has come under missile attack, the country's state media has reported.
Its air defence system was activated, the reports said.
Syrian TV said loud explosions had been heard near the T4 airfield in the city of Homs in the early hours of Monday.
Details are still emerging and the reports have not been independently verified.
BBC UPDATE:
A military airport in Syria has come under missile attack, the country's state media has reported.
Its air defence system was activated, the reports said.
Syrian TV said loud explosions had been heard near the T4 airbase in the city of Homs in the early hours of Monday.
"Several missiles hit the Tayfur airport," Syria's state news agency SANA said. Details are still emerging and the reports have not been independently verified.
The reports come amid global alarm over a suspected chemical attack on the rebel-held town of Douma.
US president Donald Trump branded Syria's President Assad an "animal" on Sunday, warning that he, along with allies Iran and Russia, had a "big price to pay".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43694588
Note: It is Syria saying they are under attack - so can't take it literally without more sourcing
Australia says it's so .. so it's so
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/missiles-hit-airfield-in-homs-syria-state-tv-says/9633498
Loud explosions have been heard near the T-4 airfield in the Syrian city of Homs, Syrian state television reports.
It said that the airfield was targeted with several missiles and that Syrian air defence was responding.
Several US officials said there was no truth to reports that the US military was behind the strikes on the Syrian government base.
Quote from: "cc"
Good points
BBC - A military airport in Syria has come under missile attack, the country's state media has reported.
Its air defence system was activated, the reports said.
Syrian TV said loud explosions had been heard near the T4 airfield in the city of Homs in the early hours of Monday.
Details are still emerging and the reports have not been independently verified.
BBC UPDATE:
A military airport in Syria has come under missile attack, the country's state media has reported.
Its air defence system was activated, the reports said.
Syrian TV said loud explosions had been heard near the T4 airbase in the city of Homs in the early hours of Monday.
"Several missiles hit the Tayfur airport," Syria's state news agency SANA said. Details are still emerging and the reports have not been independently verified.
The reports come amid global alarm over a suspected chemical attack on the rebel-held town of Douma.
US president Donald Trump branded Syria's President Assad an "animal" on Sunday, warning that he, along with allies Iran and Russia, had a "big price to pay".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43694588
Note: It is Syria saying they are under attack - so can't take it literally without more sourcing
Same here. I want more proof first.
yes - need more proof, especially when US military says "no"
Reuters also reported two senior US officials had said there was no truth to the reports of any US strikes against Assad bases in Syria.
Just saw Syria saying they knocked down several missiles ... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... don't think so ... maybe false alarm

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Not far off the truth
US says "not us".
All eyes on Israel, as they've hit that airfield before.
Israel, maybe. Didn't know they had hit that base
While they have hit Syria to protect their interests, and can do damned near anything, the motive (gas use) here would not be their "thing" to act upon
Still, earliest reports I saw were low flying planes coming over Lebanon.
Syria says "missiles" ... not characteristic of Israeli attack ... and Syria says it shot 8 missiles down ... highly unlikely
dunno who or if it even happened for sure
Quote from: "cc"
Israel, maybe. Didn't know they had hit that base
While they have hit Syria to protect their interests, and can do damned near anything, the motive (gas use) here would not be their "thing" to act upon
Still, earliest reports I saw were low flying planes coming over Lebanon.
Syria says "missiles" ... not characteristic of Israeli attack ... and Syria says it shot 8 missiles down ... highly unlikely
dunno who or if it even happened for sure
I'm skeptical about this for now anyway.
me 2 ... Syria's word alone is not proof
and Trump has not tweeted ac_biggrin
Anyhow, as to the OP Question, I have always suspected the rebels would be likely to use them to frame Assad to get the West to take their side more so
I figure Assad would not as he knows the price he would pay .. it would be a total loser for him and he knows it
Rouge general as Brick alluded to another possibility
In other words, a typical middle eastern tangle of lies, deceit, shouting and pointing. Who trusts an arab?
The towelheads are reproducing faster than they are dying... These little attacks dont matter..
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Survivors of Syria chemical attack 'forced to leave or die' (//http)
GAZIANTEP, Turkey – Survivors described it as something akin to a horror movie: babies foaming at the mouth, children choking and victims wailing as their eyes burned.
Those in the rebel-held Syrian enclave of Douma say they immediately knew their region had again been assaulted by chemical weapons -- and something stronger than just chlorine.
Ahmed Saleh, a 26-year-old volunteer with the Syrian Civil Defense -- also known as the White Helmets -- told Fox News that the suspect rockets landed in an area called Al Shohada Square around 7:30 p.m. Saturday.
"There was a strong smell, and we entered one of the shelters to help the civilians there, but I couldn't go all the way because I felt the symptoms of suffocation, difficulty breathing; my tears began to fall profusely," he recalled. "We, paramedics, saw everyone in the shelter lying on the ground. I do not know whether they were dead or alive, but none of them were movin
I don't get this and am skeptical that Syria would do it, knowing they would lose 1000 X more than they could gain using them
I didn't hear about this cc.
Quote from: "cc"
Survivors of Syria chemical attack 'forced to leave or die' (//http)
GAZIANTEP, Turkey – Survivors described it as something akin to a horror movie: babies foaming at the mouth, children choking and victims wailing as their eyes burned.
Those in the rebel-held Syrian enclave of Douma say they immediately knew their region had again been assaulted by chemical weapons -- and something stronger than just chlorine.
Ahmed Saleh, a 26-year-old volunteer with the Syrian Civil Defense -- also known as the White Helmets -- told Fox News that the suspect rockets landed in an area called Al Shohada Square around 7:30 p.m. Saturday.
"There was a strong smell, and we entered one of the shelters to help the civilians there, but I couldn't go all the way because I felt the symptoms of suffocation, difficulty breathing; my tears began to fall profusely," he recalled. "We, paramedics, saw everyone in the shelter lying on the ground. I do not know whether they were dead or alive, but none of them were movin
I don't get this and am skeptical that Syria would do it, knowing they would lose 1000 X more than they could gain using them
And this also happens just as Trump was talking about withdrawing from Syria.
McCain says talk of leaving "emboldened Assad" https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/08/politics/john-mccain-congress-donald-trump-syria/index.html
why attack in a way that would make the US stay and likely go after Assad?
Either Assad or someone in his military did this, and were incrdibly stupid, or its a false flag-- to try and get Trump to go after Assad like Obumbles did.
You are right to be skeptical.
Angry Trump huddles with Pentagon brass over Syria chemical attack, vows 'major decisions' coming
Trump calls Syria chemical attack 'atrocious,' (//http)
says U.S. to make 'major decisions' in coming hours
"We are studying that situation extremely closely. We are meeting with our military and everybody else and we'll be making some major decisions over the next 24 to 48 hours."
So sick of the Zionist war mongering against Russia and Israel's enemies in the Middle East. They won't be content until they've started WW3...
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Angry Trump huddles with Pentagon brass over Syria chemical attack, vows 'major decisions' coming
Trump calls Syria chemical attack 'atrocious,' (//http)
says U.S. to make 'major decisions' in coming hours
"We are studying that situation extremely closely. We are meeting with our military and everybody else and we'll be making some major decisions over the next 24 to 48 hours."
A possible strike against the Syrian government?
I don't think so.
I gather there is considerable doubt about who did this. As cc has opined, why the hell would Syria do such a dumb thing when all the cards are falling their way? It did nothing tactically, nor strategically, to affect the battle.
Also, the delivery was from a helicopter, dropping a barrel bomb. A crude device, when Syria had their chemical weapons loaded on missile delivery systems.
Something's not right here...
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A possible strike against the Syrian government?
More specifically I'm suggesting what to me is a strong likelihood the "rebels" alone would do it just to make Assad look worse and to get the West to attack him ... if so, it works as most everyone does assume it was Assad
Further, it was on people alone same as before ... NOT a strategic attack that would help either side "directly" and strategically
Seems many think Syria is bad, rebels must be good. The Sunni rebels are Fundies. Had they won out everyday life would be far worse for Syrians. Assad ruled very secularly .. Sunni fundies would not.
There never was a good ending to this in the cards from the very start ... after it is over either Shia rule sunnis harshly or sunnis rule shia harshly
Hopefully trump will only strike back briefly if at all. Regime change is a bad idea,
See the pattern-
Take out Mubareck, power vacuum, filled by Muslim brotherhood (worse)
Take out Saddam, power vacuum, filled by ISIS and Al Qaeda (worse)
Take out Kaddaffi, power vacuum filled by Islamist power struggle (worse)
Take out Assad............
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Take out Mubareck, power vacuum, filled by Muslim brotherhood (worse)
Take out Saddam, power vacuum, filled by ISIS and Al Qaeda (worse)
Take out Kaddaffi, power vacuum filled by Islamist power struggle (worse)
Take out Assad............
Easy answer. Rabid Fundy Sunni control .. Al Q, Al Nusra etc. etc.
And control unlike secularist Saddam - rather black religious control
Another point to what I wrote above about the only beneficiaries of gas being used. - Trump had just said days before that he wanted to pull out all advisers and intel people
Make it look like Assad used gas is a great way to keep the US engaged.
And remember, Syria is 90% Shia & has great help from Russia and Iran. I find it amazing that Sunnis could even make a fight of it ... much less keep it going for years. They are formidable .. and only because they are religion-driven, effectively led by Fundies and ruthless.
The US can hit a base or 2 hard, but cannot exert continuing and serious power to change the obvious end result
It only can get worse.
Example - NBC - Russia has figured out how to jam U.S. drones in Syria, officials say (//https)
Four U.S. officials said Russia's signal scrambling has seriously affected military operations.
WASHINGTON — The Russian military has been jamming some U.S. military drones operating in the skies over Syria, seriously affecting American military operations, according to four U.S. officials.
The Russians began jamming some smaller U.S. drones several weeks ago, the officials said, after a series of suspected chemical weapons attacks on civilians in rebel-held eastern Ghouta. The Russian military was concerned the U.S. military would retaliate for the attacks and began jamming the GPS systems of drones operating in the area, the officials explained.
Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., reacted to the news of Russian scrambling Tuesday by saying "Russia wants to undermine our interests at every turn."
"It is insane to think that Russia is anything but an adversary," said Sasse.
Attack underway by US, UK & France
No details as to what and by what yet
Tomahawks in and around Damascus.
They quite rightly called Russia's bluff. For all their threats and outbursts the truth is Russia simply doesn't have the firepower to go up against the US. They are outgunned and they know it.
3 chemical weapon development, production and storage areas
nothing else was hit
Damn. Assad must have a lot of the stuff - apparently they avoided other similar plants because of the proximity of civilians
Someone needs to come get this funny looking idiot out of office before he gets us all nuked.
For shore and especially on top of
Libya (very big)
Afghanistan (really big)
Wait a minute cc .. that was ......!!
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Someone needs to come get this funny looking idiot out of office before he gets us all nuked.
Nothing we can do, other than the other American members and your good self. Your vote counts, not ours.
I suspect a couple of your countrymen here may have voted for Donnie, however.
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Someone needs to come get this funny looking idiot out of office before he gets us all nuked.
It appears to be an allied effort and chemical weapons facilities were all that were hit.
Quote from: "cc"
For shore and especially on top of
Libya (very big)
Afghanistan (really big)
Wait a minute cc .. that was ......!!
Precisely. The US was in a constant state of war under Oblunder and his war mongering secretary of state, Killary Klinton.
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Kylie Jenner"
Someone needs to come get this funny looking idiot out of office before he gets us all nuked.
It appears to be an allied effort and chemical weapons facilities were all that were hit.
Alleged chemical weapons facilities.
Probably core facilities for the complete elimination of Western backed ISIS, but not chemical warfare at all in nature.
Got to keep the bogeyman alive! ac_unsure

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Mostly bs.
The president revealed his decision to strike the Assad regime in Syria on Friday night, saying that it was in the interest of the United States to prevent the spread and use of deadly chemical weapons.
"We are prepared to sustain this response until the Syrian regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents," he said.
General James Mattis described the military strike as a "one-time shot" which was roughly double the power of the 2017 strike in Syria.
When asked if the United States was preparing for more attacks on Syria, the General indicated that it was up to Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad to direct the next move.
"That will depend on Mr. Assad," he said.[/quote]
Looks like a one strike punishment, much like last time. Not a protracted involvement.
Idle chatter of posters thinking they know everything.
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Idle chatter of posters thinking they know everything.
Nothing to add to this discussion I see.
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
The president revealed his decision to strike the Assad regime in Syria on Friday night, saying that it was in the interest of the United States to prevent the spread and use of deadly chemical weapons.
"We are prepared to sustain this response until the Syrian regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents," he said.
General James Mattis described the military strike as a "one-time shot" which was roughly double the power of the 2017 strike in Syria.
When asked if the United States was preparing for more attacks on Syria, the General indicated that it was up to Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad to direct the next move.
"That will depend on Mr. Assad," he said.
Looks like a one strike punishment, much like last time. Not a protracted involvement.[/quote]
I'm glad of that Wazzzup.
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Ah, memes...the only truth you can rely on.
Of course, they have no facts...but its the internet, so who cares?
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Idle chatter of posters thinking they know everything.
Nothing to add to this discussion I see.
Of course I have nothing to add. Was I in the meeting? Did I get the memo? Am I the one making decisions? No.
That is all you're doing here. Speculating. Assuming. Jabbering. Pretending you're in the know. God help you. I don't know who exactly you're trying to impress. None of you here know what's really going on. You're wasting your time babbling about your guesses. You don't really think that I believe you know what you're talking about, do you? You are not in the Trump administration and you're not running the American government so your posts are just insignificant drivel wasting forum space. Putting in your two cents? No. More like zero cents.
ARLINGTON, Va. -- Pentagon leaders made clear that the strikes in Syria announced by President Trump tonight were over almost as soon as they began, with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford telling reporters "this wave of airstrikes is over" and Defense Secretary James Mattis calling them a "one-time shot."
"The targets that were struck and destroyed were specifically associated with the Syrian regime's chemical weapons program," Dunford said. "We also selected targets that would minimize the risk to innocent civilians."[/quote]
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Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Idle chatter of posters thinking they know everything.
Nothing to add to this discussion I see.
Of course I have nothing to add. Was I in the meeting? Did I get the memo? Am I the one making decisions? No.
That is all you're doing here. Speculating. Assuming. Jabbering. Pretending you're in the know. God help you. I don't know who exactly you're trying to impress. None of you here know what's really going on. You're wasting your time babbling about your guesses. You don't really think that I believe you know what you're talking about, do you? You are not in the Trump administration and you're not running the American government so your posts are just insignificant drivel wasting forum space. Putting in your two cents? No. More like zero cents.
Information is disseminated and people try to make sense of it..
It's the same for just about any issue one can think of.

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Quote from: "Wazzzup"
ARLINGTON, Va. -- Pentagon leaders made clear that the strikes in Syria announced by President Trump tonight were over almost as soon as they began, with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford telling reporters "this wave of airstrikes is over" and Defense Secretary James Mattis calling them a "one-time shot."
"The targets that were struck and destroyed were specifically associated with the Syrian regime's chemical weapons program," Dunford said. "We also selected targets that would minimize the risk to innocent civilians."
[/quote]
Good

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The Rest Of The World, eh??
"The Free Thought Project was founded in 2013 by Jason Bassler and Matt Agorist. Bassler and Agorist have been activists for more than a decade and have been working in the alternative media for several years. The rest of our team consists of highly experienced journalists and content creators from all different backgrounds and our family spreads from California to New York.".
What would these people know about the rest of the world?

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Now, that's the FIRST meme you've posted that has any merit.
Well done.
:thumbup:
LOL
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Of course I have nothing to add.
You haven't had anything to add for many, many years...
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:laugh:
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The Rest Of The World, eh??
What would these people know about the rest of the world?
Apparently, plenty.
Its a leftard scare site.
Like all leftards, they claim to "know" more than anyone else.

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Ah, memes...the only truth you can rely on.
Of course, they have no facts...but its the internet, so who cares?
Actually that is factual. I read articles long ago about how we've been tricked into every war.
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:roll:
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I read articles long ago about how we've been tricked into every war.
Articles by whom?
I'm pretty sure Pearl Harbour was a historic event, as was the sinking of the Lusitania. Gaddafi was a real person. They did not use the Gulf Of Tonkin as an excuse for the Vietnam War, because they were already at war.
Which is not to say the the US government is not beneath chicanery...far from it. But memes and articles are not historical fact.
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Blazor"
I read articles long ago about how we've been tricked into every war.
Articles by whom?
I'm pretty sure Pearl Harbour was a historic event, as was the sinking of the Lusitania. Gaddafi was a real person. They did not use the Gulf Of Tonkin as an excuse for the Vietnam War, because they were already at war.
Which is not to say the the US government is not beneath chicanery...far from it. But memes and articles are not historical fact.
I dont even remember where I read those articles. Was years ago. Oh wait! It was a documentary I seen! The video that awakened me to all the shit over 10 years ago! Think it was called "Wake up call - New World Order documentary 2008". Was 2 and a half hours I think, and I had to watch it twice.
But you do know that you must watch, read or listen to ANY journalism, print or video, with a scrutinising mind, right?
Because its in a documentary, or on TV, or printed in a glossy magazine does not render it true. Behind all of that information is a journalist...and there is NO reason to believe that a journalist is MORE intelligent, informed or erudite than you. Their main mission is to make a buck by engaging your attention, and making you BELIEVE. That is their job, and some are extremely compelling and persuasive.
Never take a documentary or op ed on face value. EVERY journalistic "expose" has a purpose, and they are not always based on truth in achieving that purpose. Most are not.
I always ask myself this question. What was the motivation and intent of the author of this report? For example, what motivated a journalist to create a documentary that claims the moon landing was fake, despite the OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary. Or that the holocaust did not occur? Do you believe THOSE "documentaries"?
Blind acceptance of ANY journalism plays right into THEIR hands, not yours.
EVERYTHING I POST IS FACT ......ALWAYS!!!!!
Of course!!!
Which is why I believe everything you put up!!!
And of course, I admire the originality of your thinking.
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But you do know that you must watch, read or listen to ANY journalism, print or video, with a scrutinising mind, right?
Oh believe me I do. Especially these days. Its getting harder and harder to determine what is real and what isnt. What is disinformation, and what is true. But when you look into it harder, at various angles, with proof, from multiple sources, then you're allowed to believe what you feel is right and wrong. Some things may never be answered, some may never come to a final conclusion, but at least you've done your research at that point, and taken in what information you can on the matter. You become "aware" at least. Some folks listen to the lie too often, and the lie becomes real to them, with no way of changing their mind.
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EVERYTHING I POST IS FACT ......ALWAYS!!!!!
Of course realgrimm.
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EVERYTHING I POST IS FACT ......ALWAYS!!!!!
Of course realgrimm.
:laugh:
He does, I saw lots of cuteness at that Hamster place :laugh:
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EVERYTHING I POST IS FACT ......ALWAYS!!!!!
Of course realgrimm.
:laugh:
He does, I saw lots of cuteness at that Hamster place :laugh:
Hamster place?
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EVERYTHING I POST IS FACT ......ALWAYS!!!!!
Of course realgrimm.
:laugh:
He does, I saw lots of cuteness at that Hamster place :laugh:
Hamster place?
You know the one! :roll:
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I watched an interview with French president Macron this morning. He wants Trump to maintain an American military presence in Syria and Trump does not want to do that.