Title: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 12:24:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 12:24:49 PM
Anyone who's been closely following the organized lobby against Canada's ethical oil sands knows that many of the ENGOs (Environmental Non-Governmental Organizations) here in Canada that have been attacking oil sands development are really front groups for big American trusts.Quote
Vancouver researcher Vivian Krause has done excellent work at her blog, Fair Questions, exposing the millions of American dollars that have been funneled northward to fill the pockets of The David Suzuki Foundation and other groups campaigning against Canadian industry. The National Post has written about it here and here.
Vivian Krause's latest exposé reveals just how much money we're talking about: $116 million for just the top 20 grants from U.S. interests to Canadian eco-groups. As Krause writes:
Most of these grants are not among the most telling, nor do they constitute the bulk of the money that American foundations have paid to environmental organizations in Canada. However, what this list does indicate is just how big some of these grants are.
The anti-oil sands Canadian Boreal Initiative alone received US$60 million from U.S. funders.
There's nothing to suggest any of these quiet arrangements where foreigners fund supposedly "Canadian" groups to attack and lobby against Canadian industry are illegal. Whether they should be is another matter. But at the very least, Canadians should know more about them: When groups pretend they're standing up for Canadians, but are actually funded from American billionaires, they're deliberately misleading our citizens. (EthicalOil.org, by the way, accepts no foreign fundinghttps://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kathryn-marshall/anti-oil-sands-funding_b_1121071.html
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 12:37:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 12:37:08 PM
I will give Peaches, the benefit of the doubt and assume his heart is in the right place even if he has the facts wrong..
The real crony corporatists oppose Canada competing with Russia, OPEC and American shale..
The opponents have been successful in fooling people into believing the opposite is true..
And that pipeline spill in Northern Alberta was two hundred metres squared..
That's a temporary inconvenience at best especially when compared to hydro flooding and cement manufacturing.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 12:46:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 12:46:39 PM
The Rockefellers are big financiers of anti-Alberta oil propaganda.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I will give Peaches, the benefit of the doubt and assume his heart is in the right place even if he has the facts wrong..
The real crony corporatists oppose Canada competing with Russia, OPEC and American shale..
The opponents have been successful in fooling people into believing the opposite is true..
And that pipeline spill in Northern Alberta was two hundred metres squared..
That's a temporary inconvenience at best especially when compared to hydro flooding and cement manufacturing.
He doesn't know anything about industry, but everything is horseshit. Libtards paymasters hate a strong, free middle class. The North American oil and gas industry, unlike say Apple or Amazon provides for a comfortable middle class.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
I will give Peaches, the benefit of the doubt and assume his heart is in the right place even if he has the facts wrong..
Thank you. You are correct about my heart, of course. And it's quite possible I may have my facts wrong, since I only know what I read and my reading in this regard is more attuned to hydraulic fracturing, which poses a real risk to people like me who live in between two large faults.
I'm not going to go looking for my own basis for the statement I made elsewhere about who pays for cleaning up oil spills in the US, because I am not here to try and educate anyone about such matters. But at the same time, while it would not surprise me to learn that the OP is mostly true, I'll have to consider it for now as unsupported by any links or citations.
He doesn't know anything about industry, but everything is horseshit. Libtards paymasters hate a strong, free middle class. The North American oil and gas industry, unlike say Apple or Amazon provides for a comfortable middle class.
You have no information about me upon which to draw your fantasy conclusion about my background in industry and business, but I know better than to go beyond an amused snort with your carryings-on. And I suppose you're talking about the steadily declining "comfortable middle class" which is not going to do well at all under the present administration's tax policies.
I've actually known a lot of the "middle class" people face to face whose careers were in oil and gas extraction, and most of them were smart rednecks with no concern for where the money came from.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 06:26:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 06:26:54 PM
Hydraulic fracturing has been the best thing for the environment in the US in decades. it disturbs the smallest amount of land of any energy source including solar to produce the greatest amount to energy. It has also helped the US reduce C02 emissions. As for seismic activity, that's caused by injecting wastewater, that is easily mitigated through recycling. It hasn't been necessary so far because any seismic activity connected to injecting wastewater has been minor.
The oil and gas sector employs hundreds of thousands of Canadians directly and indirectly. It pays for pensions, hospitals, highways, rapid transit, Aboriginal development and green spaces. We have a very, very progressive pm. Since his regime came to power, $60 billion of investment in pipelines and LNG export facilities, and tens of thousands of mortgage paying jobs have been deliberately lost. It seems you are not really interested in facts about the oil and gas sector, so I won't waste my time trying change your mind with facts. But, we will be using petroleum products for at least another century and beyond. I fail to see how offloading oil and gas to OPEC and Russia benefits the environment or your country's middle class. It does makes sheikhs and oligarchs rich though.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Bricktop on April 17, 2018, 06:55:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 17, 2018, 06:55:46 PM
You have no information about me upon which to draw your fantasy conclusion
Yet you felt inclined to opine about me in another forum on what was a private matter about which you had no information.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Bricktop on April 17, 2018, 09:06:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 17, 2018, 09:06:44 PM
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
Peaches, like you I don't work in heavy industry either. But, I do know that right across this continent the polluter pays for all clean ups. That is everything from fly ash to rare crude oil spills. In the US, the rules about this are clear in the he Oil Pollution Act of 1990, one legacy of the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill, spells out that those responsible for the pollution pay for all costs associated with the cleanup operations.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Hydraulic fracturing has been the best thing for the environment in the US in decades. it disturbs the smallest amount of land of any energy source including solar to produce the greatest amount to energy. It has also helped the US reduce C02 emissions. As for seismic activity, that's caused by injecting wastewater, that is easily mitigated through recycling. It hasn't been necessary so far because any seismic activity connected to injecting wastewater has been minor.
The oil and gas sector employs hundreds of thousands of Canadians directly and indirectly. It pays for pensions, hospitals, highways, rapid transit, Aboriginal development and green spaces. We have a very, very progressive pm. Since his regime came to power, $60 billion of investment in pipelines and LNG export facilities, and tens of thousands of mortgage paying jobs have been deliberately lost. It seems you are not really interested in facts about the oil and gas sector, so I won't waste my time trying change your mind with facts. But, we will be using petroleum products for at least another century and beyond. I fail to see how offloading oil and gas to OPEC and Russia benefits the environment or your country's middle class. It does makes sheikhs and oligarchs rich though.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your views and beliefs more thoroughly. My own beliefs and views are admittedly based on information I've processed over the decades, particularly the last one, and I make NO CLAIM to have all the facts. In fact, I doubt that anyone claiming to have all the facts is really interested in truth, since many facts are not in public view and the ones that are, are often not very illuminating.
The reason I'm here is that I am tired of posting in places where I only see posts that confirm my own biases and teach me nothing. I do think my views, which are those of an literate, educated person, are of some value...and I'm willing to take a chance on you, SB, as a similar person who also understands internal bias yet is still curious enough to risk a civil conversation about things we see differently. This is not the same kind of exchange trolls have on message boards, but one of mutual inquiry and evaluation.
I will post a few links at the end of this post as examples of the kinds of information I've accumulated over several years of NOT EXHAUSTIVE inquiry into oil spills, in order to show that while I'm probably misinformed, nevertheless there is a rational basis for my views. I'm not a scientist, but rather a liberal arts graduate with interests in history and poli sci and anthro. And my links are not a bibliography of all I've read, but merely a few examples.
I'm aware that good accurate news is hard to come by due to the degeneration and monetization of media, and consequently I don't believe everything I read. I'm aware of the OPA of 1990, and I'm also aware of some of its faults and shortcomings which mostly exist due to US politics and the corporate bribery of legislators. I'm specifically aware that the small tax on oil production which has mostly funded the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund was scheduled to "sunset" at the end of last year, and as far as I know Congress has not acted to extend it. Parenthetically, it is this fund, intended to pay for various cleanup-associated costs not paid directly by the companies responsible for the spill, that has sometimes (in my understanding) been used to pay
Ultimately the cleanup of an oil spill can have far reaching ecological factors and is a complex and politicized matter which may not take the same shape if nobody is paying attention to it because it's fallen off the news cycle than it would take if the public's eye were focused on it. There are a lot of moving parts and a lot of back and forth between the "regulators" and the "regulated" and there are plenty of places for graft to rear its head, which is just the way Americans like their politics.
I've been aware of hydraulic fracturing as a working technology since the late seventies, when I was gifted some stock in a production company which had been working several oil wells in West Virginia and was converting to natural gas production since the oil reserve was depleted to the point of no longer being economically viable. At the time it sounded like a good way to extend the life of the holes. As to your experience that seismic activity resulting from wastewater injection being
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 11:19:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 11:19:03 AM
Peaches is rather inclined to make comment or pass opinion over matters he has no, or partial, information about.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Yet you felt inclined to opine about me in another forum on what was a private matter about which you had no information.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I don't think your issue with me is about oil and gas production, and I find it unnerving that you would need to follow me around this forum like a lost puppy and piss on my ankles in this way.
I've already suggested that you take your issue to PM or come to another forum to discuss it. I mentioned CBT but there are probably other fora that might suit you better. In any case, this approach strikes me as unwholesome.
So Peaches didn't know that industry is required to clean up after themselves if there's a problem. Progs are unbelievable.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
I don't think you're very good at dog-piling. Reading and comprehending my prior comment rather than accepting someone else's summary of it would be a good place to start. You can thank me later.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
In Canada if there is a pipeline spill. the pipeline operator is considered the Responsible Party. The previous Conservative government passed the Pipeline Safety Act of 2015. The editorial you posted from the Globe and Mail was written prior to that. The old laws were based on oil production and export conditions at the time.
The Pipeline Safety Act requires federally regulated pipelines, such as Trans Mountain, to hold a minimum level of financial resources, set at one billion dollars for companies operating major oil pipelines, to cover liabilities related to an incident. Further, the Act requires a portion of each company's financial resources to be readily accessible to ensure rapid response to any incident. Under the Act, the National Energy Board (NEB) has the authority to order any company that operates a pipeline from which an unintended or uncontrolled release of oil, gas or any other commodity occurs to reimburse any government institution the costs it incurred in taking any action or measure in relation to that release.
The Act was update in 2016 to reflect changing oil export needs.
NEB-regulated companies
New regulations for damage prevention have been made, which lay out the obligations of those planning construction of facilities, ground disturbance activities or vehicle or mobile equipment crossings in the area of an NEB-regulated pipeline, as well as the obligations of pipeline companies.
I'm specifically aware that the small tax on oil production which has mostly funded the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund was scheduled to "sunset" at the end of last year, and as far as I know Congress has not acted to extend it.Quote
That is the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund. There is still interest on the fund, cost recovery from the parties responsible for the spills, and
any fines or civil penalties collected. But, does that mean if there's not enough money in the fund the American taxpayer is on the hook for cleanup costs? Nope, the Oil Pollution Act states that parties that release hazardous materials and oil into the environment are responsible not only for the cost of cleaning up the release, but also for restoring any "injuries" (harm) to natural resources that result.
The only costs borne by taxpayers could be emergency response personnel, but the same is true of international billionaires and corporations that finance anti-pipeline rallies.
the cleanup of an oil spill can have far reaching ecological factorsQuote
I disagree. While a large oil pipeline spill is ugly, it is only crude oil. It's a natural product and it is always cleaned up. Canada and the the USA are not Russia where they don't even bother trying to wipe up a mess unless it has an immediate impact on communities or industries.
As to your experience that seismic activity resulting from wastewater injection being minor, I can only say that friends living in Oklahoma have not found that to be so.Quote
I have my doubts. Most of the Oklahoma quakes registered in 2015 were below 4.0 magnitude.
But, they will be happy to know things have changed in Oklahoma. Earlier this year, Oklahoma's Corporation Commission requested that oil and gas producers cut wastewater disposal amounts by 40% in large swaths of the state.
The Bakken Shale in North Dakota and Saskatchewan, for instance, produces much less wastewater, and hasn't induced earthquakes. Restricting the amount of water you can inject and where you're allowed and where you can inject it. The result is that quakes are now dropping as quickly as they climbed in 2014 and 2015.
Peaches, I work in the financial industries, but I have read that that operating companies and oilfield service contractors are developing solutions to recycle wastewater. Whatever you think of Shen Li and Herman, they know the upstream oil and gas business. Perhaps they can fill in the blanks on processing plants being developed to conserve and reuse wastewater.
I forgot to mention, that Canada with the third largest proven reserves of recoverable oil in the world loses up to $100 million dollars a day because we cannot get our product to tidewater and international markets. That's a significant hit to our ability to pay for essential services that enable us to maintain our quality of life. And what makes it so evil is that opposition to resource development in Canada is financed by foreign billionaires and the state owned oil companies of our competitors.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 10:17:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 10:17:00 AM
Peaches, ...Quote from: "seoulbro"
... I have my doubts. Most of the Oklahoma quakes registered in 2015 were below 4.0 magnitude.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2016/03/14/Photos/NS/MW-EH833_number_20160314124203_NS.jpg?uuid=ae0d8300-ea03-11e5-8312-0015c588e0f6%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2%20...%2015c588e0f6%22%3Ehttps://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2016/03/14/Photos/NS/MW-EH833_number_20160314124203_NS.jpg?uuid=ae0d8300-ea03-11e5-8312-0015c588e0f6%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
But, they will be happy to know things have changed in Oklahoma. Earlier this year, Oklahoma's Corporation Commission requested that oil and gas producers cut wastewater disposal amounts by 40% in large swaths of the state.
...
Seoulbro, thanks for this extensive reflection. It will take me some time fully to absorb all the information you've presented. The only comment I can make at the moment is that a magnitude 3-4 quake is quite noticeable, especially in soil with a lot of clay, and it's hard on masonry structures as well as road and bridge infrastructure. I think the state of Oklahoma was slow to act on this, but at least there is progress with it.
As an afterthought to my previous post, I'll disclose that I've lived most of my life in the west end of Greater Appalachia, which reaches all the way to the Mississippi river. In my grade school years I lived in a "coal town" and my high school years were spent in another town which had come through the Great Depression due to a small oil boom, but even so there were well over a dozen people in my graduating class who had lost their fathers in a large mine disaster (of which there had been many in my part of the state.) So I can well appreciate the idea of a middle class that stands largely on the shoulders of resource extraction, even though the capital driving said extraction comes from "outside." And I also saw that there was risk and loss of lives in joining that middle class.
But even so, I live among people who are anti-everything that is related to resource extraction, sometimes hysterically so, and I've noticed in comments around this forum that those people give Yanks a bad name generally, compared to Canadians.
I'm considering the possibility that this difference may be a socio-cultural difference, owing much to differences between the two national governments. More food for thought.
Whatever you think of Shen Li and Herman, they know the upstream oil and gas business. Perhaps they can fill in the blanks on processing plants being developed to conserve and reuse wastewater.Quote
Perhaps they will take the time. I hope so.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 12:13:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 12:13:45 PM
I can well appreciate the idea of a middle class that stands largely on the shoulders of resource extraction, even though the capital driving said extraction comes from "outside." And I also saw that there was risk and loss of lives in joining that middle classQuote
Actually, you have it backwards, the capital spent on thwarting resource development comes from outside.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 01:18:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 01:18:56 PM
I can well appreciate the idea of a middle class that stands largely on the shoulders of resource extraction, even though the capital driving said extraction comes from "outside." And I also saw that there was risk and loss of lives in joining that middle classQuote
Actually, you have it backwards, the capital spent on thwarting resource development comes from outside.
Sorry if i wasn't clear, but I didn't speak about "capital spent on thwarting resource development." Seoulbro did mention that, but I haven't addressed it yet.
I was talking about growing up in a fairly common situation where a big chunk of the middle class worked in mines that were owned by Easterners. It's a capital vs. labor thing, I suppose, and a regrettable excursion from the OP's topic.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2018, 01:31:36 PM
I can well appreciate the idea of a middle class that stands largely on the shoulders of resource extraction, even though the capital driving said extraction comes from "outside." And I also saw that there was risk and loss of lives in joining that middle classQuote
Actually, you have it backwards, the capital spent on thwarting resource development comes from outside.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7PZn-M8t7g
It's so ironic that international opposition to oil and gas development particularly in Canada claims big money, corporatists and greed are the ones wanting to develop our resources. When in reality, it's big money from around the world that is using their billions to buy politicians in this country who will shill for them.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2018, 09:54:45 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2018, 09:54:45 AM
What a waste of money.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Yours?
I'm an engineer. Liberal arts degrees are for lazy fools and white people.
I wasn't asking about your trade school credentials, but about your complaint regarding wasted money. Was any of your, or your family's, money wasted on my education? If not, your complaint only looks petty and foolish, as befits an engineer.
What did your BOSS, or your CEO, study in college?
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2018, 10:38:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2018, 10:38:43 AM
What a waste of money.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Yours?
I'm an engineer. Liberal arts degrees are for lazy fools and white people.
I wasn't asking about your trade school credentials, but about your complaint regarding wasted money. Was any of your, or your family's, money wasted on my education? If not, your complaint only looks petty and foolish, as befits an engineer.
What did your BOSS, or your CEO, study in college?
Trade school eh? Ya, while your little hobby degree has no value to anyone ya did learn how to deliver a cheap shot. That and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
I'm considering the possibility that this difference may be a socio-cultural difference, owing much to differences between the two national governments. More food for thought.Quote
Don't overthink it. Canada has the third largest proven reserves of recoverable oil on earth. We cannot get a single pipeline to tidewater and international markets. Ironically, Canadian companies build some of the technologically advanced pipelines for foreign countries. Instead, we are the slaves of one customer(the US) who discounts our oil close to fifty per cent.
If you want to understand the opposition to Canada's oil and gas industry follow the money. There are lots of posts on this forum if you do a search.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2018, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2018, 06:55:00 AM
I'm considering the possibility that this difference may be a socio-cultural difference, owing much to differences between the two national governments. More food for thought.Quote
Don't overthink it. Canada has the third largest proven reserves of recoverable oil on earth. We cannot get a single pipeline to tidewater and international markets. Ironically, Canadian companies build some of the technologically advanced pipelines for foreign countries. Instead, we are the slaves of one customer(the US) who discounts our oil close to fifty per cent.
If you want to understand the opposition to Canada's oil and gas industry follow the money. There are lots of posts on this forum if you do a search.
The clueless stooges who oppose oil and gas development in North America have it ass backward about greed and self interest. They are shilling for billionaire greed and self interest. And against the working class and the environment.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Bricktop on April 29, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 29, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
I'm considering the possibility that this difference may be a socio-cultural difference, owing much to differences between the two national governments. More food for thought.Quote
Don't overthink it. Canada has the third largest proven reserves of recoverable oil on earth. We cannot get a single pipeline to tidewater and international markets. Ironically, Canadian companies build some of the technologically advanced pipelines for foreign countries. Instead, we are the slaves of one customer(the US) who discounts our oil close to fifty per cent.
If you want to understand the opposition to Canada's oil and gas industry follow the money. There are lots of posts on this forum if you do a search.
I didn't get a notice since you didn't attribute the quote to me. I was unaware that you couldn't get your resources to a port, but I can only assure you that I'm not opposed to whatever Canadians want to do in that regard. I'm also not responsible in any way for big money being sent to Canada by people I don't personally know or influence, for propagandizing or any other purpose.
For that matter, people who live where I do are not very concerned about pipelines at all since they seem to be less dangerous than rail tankers. The only resource issues that get much voter concern here are logging in national forests, and hydraulic fracturing for gas (which has not been widely done, probably due to the marginal profitability the reserves offer, and the possible quake issues.)
Around here we are ALL little guys with no political clout, and outside the county in which I reside mostly Trumpians with little political sophistication and no ethical or moral compass other than hating on other people not like them (including people in my county.) The only reason I bother with the internet is to exchange a few words now and then with people living somewhere ELSE, to find out what THEIR issues are. I'm not here to fight with anyone, only to learn a little.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Bricktop on April 29, 2018, 11:00:40 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 29, 2018, 11:00:40 PM
Refrain from making comment on personal issues that are of no concern or consequence to you.
Here's a bonus; it's a fragment of advice that can applied the world over.
And because I am in a magnanimous mood, another bonus. Avoid being judgmental of others; lest ye too be judged.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2018, 11:19:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2018, 11:19:28 PM
That's probably why he didn't think it was important to assign the quote to you.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Angry White Male on April 30, 2018, 12:09:09 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on April 30, 2018, 12:09:09 AM
This will eventually get passed onto the new home owner. I work in British Properties tomorrow, so those Asians can afford it, but it goes to show that in general costs will get passed down to the end user...
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2018, 12:17:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2018, 12:17:26 AM
Fuel prices are up as is everything else.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Angry White Male on April 30, 2018, 12:21:39 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on April 30, 2018, 12:21:39 AM
Sure... Maybe if I just had to go to the welfare office once a month like them, I could ride my bike.
I have work to do, and places to be!
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Bricktop on April 30, 2018, 12:21:46 AM
Post by: Bricktop on April 30, 2018, 12:21:46 AM
Peaches, Seoul usually attacks posts and not posters..Quote from: "Fashionista"
That's probably why he didn't think it was important to assign the quote to you.
I, on the other hand, am less conducive to harmonious discourse.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2018, 01:24:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2018, 01:24:47 AM
BC recently increased the carbon tax like the NDP government here did..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Fuel prices are up as is everything else.
:sad:
I believe the tide is turning against useless, dishonest, virtue signalling carbon taxation. Moe here in Saskatchewan will soon have Doug Ford and later on Jason Kenney as reinforcements in his fight against a job killing sales tax called a carbon tax. That will be fifty per cent of the Canadian population. On top of that Trudeau would no longer be prime minister if an election were held today.
Conservative Majority if an Election Held Now
If Justine was smart he would tread lightly.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2018, 11:48:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2018, 11:48:56 PM
Peaches, Seoul usually attacks posts and not posters..Quote from: "Fashionista"
That's probably why he didn't think it was important to assign the quote to you.
It isn't a problem. Moreover, given the forum software it's much faster to quote that way if one is only quoting part of a longer post. I found it okay, just a little slower.
I, on the other hand, am less conducive to harmonious discourse.Quote from: "Ankle Biter"ac_beating
Nor is your behavior conducive to thread continuity. Perhaps the thread will need to be moderated again, or perhaps you'll work that corncob outta your ass. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Wazzzup on May 01, 2018, 01:09:09 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 01, 2018, 01:09:09 AM
wow, it costs me about $3 a gallon in Illinois in the US.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2018, 02:02:01 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2018, 02:02:01 AM
Nor is your behavior conducive to thread continuity. Perhaps the thread will need to be moderated again, or perhaps you'll work that corncob outta your ass. Time will tell.
Call it privilege of rank. You don't post enough here to be relevant.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2018, 02:13:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2018, 02:13:37 AM
First thing the NDP/Green coalition did was raise the carbon tax. Second was sabotaging Canada's future.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2018, 04:57:15 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2018, 04:57:15 AM
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
Nor is your behavior conducive to thread continuity. Perhaps the thread will need to be moderated again, or perhaps you'll work that corncob outta your ass. Time will tell.
Call it privilege of rank. You don't post enough here to be relevant.
I believe it was Shen Li that started the personal crap that got parts of this thread exiled to RR.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2018, 05:34:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2018, 05:34:47 PM
Nor is your behavior conducive to thread continuity. Perhaps the thread will need to be moderated again, or perhaps you'll work that corncob outta your ass. Time will tell.
Call it privilege of rank. You don't post enough here to be relevant.
I believe it was Shen Li that started the personal crap that got parts of this thread exiled to RR.
Go fuck urself tattletale.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
Kenney launches inquiry into foreign-funded campaigns against Alberta oil
CALGARY — Vowing to fight back against "foreign meddling" that Premier Jason Kenney says has hamstrung Alberta's economy, the UCP government announced Thursday it will launch a public inquiry into international campaigns supposedly targeting the province's energy industry.
The inquiry, led by Calgary Economic Development board chair Steve Allan, will investigate foreign-funded efforts that Kenney says are undermining Alberta's oil and gas sector.
Costing $2.5 million, the inquiry will last a year, broken up into two phases. Allan will first focus on fact-finding through a combination of interviews and research, followed by public hearings if they are deemed necessary.
A final report, to be available to the public, will be filed by July 2, 2020.
Flanked by Justice Minister Doug Schweitzer and Energy Minister Sonya Savage as he spoke to media in downtown Calgary on Thursday, Kenney pointed to foreign efforts such as the "Tar Sands campaign," which he said was aimed at shutting down investment, development and export of energy from Alberta's oilsands.
He referenced U.S. organizations including the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Oak Foundation, Sea Change Foundation and Tides Foundation as groups with links to the "well-funded political propaganda campaign" over the past decade. Kenney said Canadian environmental groups such as Greenpeace and the Pembina Institute have also participated in the effort.
"Its main tactics have been disinformation and defamation, litigation, public protests and political lobbying," Kenney said.
Kenney also pointed to social media campaigns run by the Russian government to oppose construction of pipelines in North America.
He said foreign-funded groups have demonstrated a "hypocritical double standard" toward other energy producers around the world, which "have benefited massively from the campaign to land-lock our energy."
"They focused on Canada because they saw us as the easy target, as the pushover, as the kid in the schoolyard most easy to bully," said Kenney.
"We're so nice, we tend to be apologetic and I think they understood that this country, among all the major energy producers, would be the most easily intimidated by this campaign. And you know what? They were right."
The inquiry will "follow the money trail and expose all of the interests involved," uncover whether any laws have been broken and recommend policy actions where appropriate, Kenney said.
But while Allan will be able to compel witness testimony within Alberta, he won't be able to do so in the U.S. or other Canadian jurisdictions.
NDP House Leader Deron Bilous said Kenney was "going on a fool's errand trying to hire someone to do a glorified Google search."
"What the premier's trying to do is change the channel on his abysmal record thus far as far as job creation," Bilous said. "What Albertans want to see are jobs created. They don't want to see a glorified witch hunt."
Bilous said the inquiry won't help Alberta expand its market access or build pipelines.
It's unclear what policy actions could arise following the release of Allan's report.
Kenney said his government would look to create legislation banning foreign money in provincial elections through third-party campaigns. It would also challenge the charitable status of groups that exceed spending limits on political activity.
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2019, 11:20:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2019, 11:20:22 AM
It feels good to finally fight back against foreign funding of campaigns against Alberta oil
Thank God Alberta finally has a provincial government that isn't chummy with radical environmentalists and cosy with the anti-development Trudeau government.
Exhibit No. 1 was the UCP activation of the former NDP government's turn-off-thetaps law. It would permit Alberta, if it comes to that, to stop shipments of oil, bitumen or gasoline to B.C.
The Notley government passed the law last year but never proclaimed it. That meant their threat to cut off oil to Trans Mountain-blocking British Columbia was more of a symbolic gesture than a real possibility.
The fact that Jason Kenney's government made the law real has so disturbed the B.C. government that NDP Premier John Horgan has had Left Coast government lawyers argue in a Calgary court that the Alberta law should be stopped because it amounts to a "loaded gun" that might "accidentally go off."
How? A law isn't an inanimate object. It won't "go off" unless the Alberta cabinet deliberately orders it to.
Still, it's been fun to watch the B.C. New Democrats lose their minds.
Now comes Exhibit No. 2: The UCP appointment of a commission to look into the foreign funding of Canadian environmental groups in a plot to "landlock Alberta oil" using something called the "tar sands campaign."
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Now the Kenney government has appointed wellknown forensic accountant Steve Allen to head a commission that will have one year to dig into how much foreign money has been funnelled to Canadian "green" groups and by whom.
This is a one-eighty from the Notley government.
You will recall,
Whether the Kenney government's get-tough approach will achieve more pipelines, faster than the NDP'S rollover-and-playdead approach remains to be seen. But, damn, it's nice for once to be fighting back.
However, it's not just foreign foundations that Commissioner Allen should be looking into. In her Calgary speech on Wednesday,
Krause pointed out that even during his first weeks in office, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had ordered his revenue minister to stop what Trudeau called CRA'S "political harassment" of activist organizations.
And,
Krause laid all this out for the Notley government, too, but they did nothing
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2019, 04:21:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2019, 04:21:38 PM
Title: Re: The Real Corporate Money Funding Anti-Oilsands Propaganda
Post by: Gaon on July 05, 2019, 08:44:24 PM
Post by: Gaon on July 05, 2019, 08:44:24 PM
Trudeau and Notley have been working together to cover for the fake charities that have worked against the vital economic interests of all Canadians. And they both will fight to protect their foreign billionaire friends war on Canada's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"NO MORE MR. NICE GUY
It feels good to finally fight back against foreign funding of campaigns against Alberta oil
Thank God Alberta finally has a provincial government that isn't chummy with radical environmentalists and cosy with the anti-development Trudeau government.
Exhibit No. 1 was the UCP activation of the former NDP government's turn-off-thetaps law. It would permit Alberta, if it comes to that, to stop shipments of oil, bitumen or gasoline to B.C.
The Notley government passed the law last year but never proclaimed it. That meant their threat to cut off oil to Trans Mountain-blocking British Columbia was more of a symbolic gesture than a real possibility.
The fact that Jason Kenney's government made the law real has so disturbed the B.C. government that NDP Premier John Horgan has had Left Coast government lawyers argue in a Calgary court that the Alberta law should be stopped because it amounts to a "loaded gun" that might "accidentally go off."
How? A law isn't an inanimate object. It won't "go off" unless the Alberta cabinet deliberately orders it to.
Still, it's been fun to watch the B.C. New Democrats lose their minds.
Now comes Exhibit No. 2: The UCP appointment of a commission to look into the foreign funding of Canadian environmental groups in a plot to "landlock Alberta oil" using something called the "oil sands campaign."
T[size=150]he campaign was first exposed by independent B.C. researcher Vivian Krause, who in a speech to the Calgary Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday estimated that over the last decade a total of $600 million had been shipped from wealthy American charitable foundations to Canadian eco-activists in an effort to stop shipments of Alberta oil and prevent the construction of pipelines.[/size]
Now the Kenney government has appointed wellknown forensic accountant Steve Allen to head a commission that will have one year to dig into how much foreign money has been funnelled to Canadian "green" groups and by whom.
This is a one-eighty from the Notley government.
You will recall,[size=150]the NDP approach was to appoint well-known environmentalists such as Tzeporah Berman and Karen Mahon to senior advisory groups on the future of Alberta's resource industry, even though those bullhorn radicals continued to protest and blockade pipelines, launch lawsuits against Trans Mountain and badmouth Alberta energy across the country and around the world.[/size]
Whether the Kenney government's get-tough approach will achieve more pipelines, faster than the NDP'S rollover-and-playdead approach remains to be seen. But, damn, it's nice for once to be fighting back.
However, it's not just foreign foundations that Commissioner Allen should be looking into. In her Calgary speech on Wednesday,[size=150]Krause said she also suspects the federal Liberal government has been meddling with Canada Revenue Agency audits of eco groups (or at the very least hiding the results of those audits from the public) in order to cover up the deeppocket connections between American philanthropists and Canadian activists.[/size]
Krause pointed out that even during his first weeks in office, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had ordered his revenue minister to stop what Trudeau called CRA'S "political harassment" of activist organizations.
And,. At least under the UCP we'll get to see if it amounts to anything. [size=150]Krause noted, CRA has recently removed these groups' tax returns from the public part of its website. "Every single tax return for every single registered charity for 14 years."
Krause laid all this out for the Notley government, too, but they did nothing[/size]
So, the government of Canada may have colluded with foreigners who have a vested interest in preventing competition from Canadian oil. There should be an independent inquiry into this.