Title: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
Talked to the gunsmith today, who has had the thing for, oh, I don't know... ALMOST TWO FUCKING MONTHS NOW?
Simply wanted a lower rear sight installed (which needs a special tool), so I provided him with the proper sight kit.
Now he thinks the front sight is actually the wrong one, and has ordered that instead? Why the fuck he just didn't install my rear sight, I don't know.
FUCK YOU Smith and Wesson, for causing me these problems. A BRAND NEW revolver should not have to spend months in the fucking shop because you cannot even install the right fucking iron sights on a fairly costly gun.
IRON FUCKING SIGHTS ARE NOT NEW TECHNOLOGY. I weep for Americas manufacturing future if this is the junk that they produce, and charge me top dollar for.
NEVER had a problem with my Ruger revolver nor my Ruger pistol. NEVER had to visit a gunsmith with those once.
Thought I'd pay a little more for a slightly 'higher tier' revolver. My fucking mistake.
FIRST and LAST Smith and Wesson product. EVER.
Unless they want to go the way of Remington, I'd suggest they fix their fucking quality control problems pronto.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 09:28:54 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 09:28:54 PM
That, after all, is where all guns belong.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:39:51 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:39:51 PM
Fine pistol all around, other than they ALMOST FUCKED UP THE REAR SIGHT ALSO!
Although the rear sight is adjustable, the sight assembly itself on this pistol slides in from the side into a dovetail notch. It is then centerpunched into place, thus securing it into the top of the slide.
Now, ideally the assembler should take the time to ensure that the sight is at least somewhat centered with the centerline of the slide/barrel, BEFORE punching the thing secure.
On mine, he didn't take the time to do this. Luckily there is JUST enough windage adjustment where I can compensate for this. So, although this does not affect accuracy, it is still nonetheless a little 'sloppy' to me. You need a special fucking tool if you want to move the sight assembly in the dovetail, and then you'd have to re-punch the fucking thing again.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
They seem to be the only ones left that do not sacrifice quality for efficiency or quantity.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
Why not just bin it.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Should fucking sell 'em all and put the proceeds towards a couple of fine GERMAN MADE pistols, and have no more headaches...
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 10:02:31 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 10:02:31 PM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:07:42 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:07:42 PM
Ain't our system the best?
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 10:09:12 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 10:09:12 PM
Its not like you have high personal overheads.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:12:43 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:12:43 PM
Only exception to this rule is vision and dental work. Vision and dental work is generally not covered here at all, so some employers offer coverage for that, as otherwise it would be completely up to you to pay.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:15:45 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:15:45 PM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 10:32:41 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 16, 2018, 10:32:41 PM
Private coverage for things like that doesn't really exist here... Has been a big thing in the courts recently. Some are worried a private system running alongside the public system would 'undermine' it, so no private Doctors allowed, meaning no such thing as private coverage for them...Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Only exception to this rule is vision and dental work. Vision and dental work is generally not covered here at all, so some employers offer coverage for that, as otherwise it would be completely up to you to pay.
Tough.
We have both private and public.
Mental health services are as accessible as orthopedics or dermatologists.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
Private care not allowed under law, and public care unable to keep up to demand.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:42:18 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 16, 2018, 10:42:18 PM
Thought I'd ask to see a Shrink, just to talk and get some perspective.
TEN FUCKING MONTHS LATER I received an appointment date. By then I was almost normal again!
Maybe our system does save money! If you're not dead by the time you see Doc, you'll probably be fine anyhow, and the visit can be short and sweet!
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 11:54:39 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 11:54:39 AM
I'm going to get my god damned gun back today and fix the fucking thing myself.
I'll just order the sight install tool online.
This is fucking bullshit.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Now I do it myself. I'm tired of wasting time.
My schedule is busy, and I'm done fucking around.
Obviously the gunsmith has more work than he can handle, so my simple jobs would be of no loss to him anyhow.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Renee on May 17, 2018, 04:13:25 PM
Post by: Renee on May 17, 2018, 04:13:25 PM
Just put the god damned rear sight on. That's all I wanted. Would take a minute with the special tool.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Now I do it myself. I'm tired of wasting time.
My schedule is busy, and I'm done fucking around.
Obviously the gunsmith has more work than he can handle, so my simple jobs would be of no loss to him anyhow.
Good gunsmiths are notoriously independent. Anything you can do yourself...just do it and don't waste the time and aggravation.
Unfortunately I have been reading that S&W has been having quality control issues over the past few years...Their new revolvers are plagued with issues such as what you are experiencing as well as barrels being slightly canted so that the front sight doesn't line up with the rear properly.
Not a good sign for a gun mfgr that used to pride themselves on quality. ...
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 07:03:00 PM
I think I can make the special tool out of two dental pick type tools clamped together firmly with a pair of vice grips. Will find out soon enough!
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 08:10:24 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 17, 2018, 08:10:24 PM
Now I just have to take a punch and smack the hollow end of the screw so it's essentially a permanent unit again.
Then I will remove the Wolff reduced pull mainspring, and put in a standard Wolff mainspring. With my fish scale, I can determine how much, if any, trigger pull difference between Wolff standard and S&W standard.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Rancidmilko on May 17, 2018, 11:38:02 PM
Post by: Rancidmilko on May 17, 2018, 11:38:02 PM
Why not just bin it.Quote from: "Bricktop"
That, after all, is where all guns belong.
Didn't work here...
For some fucking reason, the bad guys keep getting them
And even when they can't get "real" guns, any backyard shop can produce some contraption and those kill many every year
Getting rid of the majority of people that might use a gun to kill someone is a better idea. And you will need guns for that.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2018, 11:40:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2018, 11:40:57 PM
Why not just bin it.Quote from: "Bricktop"
That, after all, is where all guns belong.
Didn't work here...
For some fucking reason, the bad guys keep getting them
And even when they can't get "real" guns, any backyard shop can produce some contraption and those kill many every year
Getting rid of the majority of people that might use a gun to kill someone is a better idea. And you will need guns for that.
I was reading that police in Canada are seizing more home made firearms.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 12:26:35 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 12:26:35 AM
The Wolff standard mainspring is at 9 pounds. This is still much less than the stock S&W pull, which was extremely heavy at something like 15 pounds if I recall!
I think S&W reworked the innards of the new Model 66 slightly, and mainsprings aren't at the exact same geometry as the older 66's were, which explain my results with aftermarket mainsprings.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 12:47:34 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 12:47:34 AM
I cannot answer this right now. Only testing various ammo at the range can.
I know for sure American ammo like Federal will now reliably ignite, but Euro primers are harder, since Euro ammo is generally loaded right up to the limits, and requires a strong primer.
American ammo is weak. What the US calls "+P" loads, that's standard loading for Euro ammo.
My Fiocchi ammo will be a good test, as it has very hard primers, but is also powdered very closely to what the original .357 Magnum was. Current US .357 Magnum ammo is weak compared to it. I don't know why the US does this...
Same with my 9mm ammo. My Euro standard 9mm ammo is full tilt, while the US 'equivalent' would be labeled as a '+P'...
Title: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:33:18 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:33:18 AM
Not with Smith and Wesson! I guess they decided to hollow out the forward sideplate screw, and put a fucking spring in there! So, you can't really snug it down well without it breaking!
I am beyond even questioning why they would compromise the strength of a small screw, to hollow it out for a spring. It's a fucking screw. It does not need a spring inside.
I will NEVER own another one of these absolute pieces of shit. I wish someone would've warned me...
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:33:50 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:33:50 AM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:37:22 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:37:22 AM
Isn't there a gun freak forum you can go annoy with your "I'm so cool...I got a GUN" BS.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Stay the fuck out of the thread if you don't like it.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:39:11 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:39:11 AM
So why are you clogging up bandwidth in THIS forum, when there are other gun specific forums you can jack off in?
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:41:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:41:52 AM
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:42:31 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:42:31 AM
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:46:06 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:46:06 AM
Fuck off.
Go join some other gun jackoffs.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:46:36 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:46:36 AM
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:49:54 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:49:54 AM
You are here 24/7. You spend no time with your wife or kids.
Go get some more meds, you fucking loser. You'll need them.
In the mean time, just stay out of my threads if you do not like them.
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:50:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:50:28 AM
Yes.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Fuck off.
Go join some other gun jackoffs.
He can post whatever he wants, but I don't know why he would start a second thread about Smith and Wesson.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:51:05 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:51:05 AM
Go play in the proper place for this bullshit.
Ask the other gunfuck for some URL's. I'm sure she belongs to plenty.
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:51:52 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 01:51:52 AM
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:53:50 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:53:50 AM
He can post whatever he wants, but I don't know why he would start a second thread about Smith and Wesson.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Because I'm fucking angry about it, that's why... I take much care and pride with anything that I do.
When I run into nothing but problems like this, I do what I have to do. If two fucking separate threads consumes too much bandwidth, PM me your mailing address and I'll send you a bank draft.
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:54:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:54:57 AM
He can post whatever he wants, but I don't know why he would start a second thread about Smith and Wesson.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Because I'm fucking angry about it, that's why... I take much care and pride into anything that I do.
When I run into nothing but problems like this, I do what I have to do. If two fucking separate threads consumes too much bandwidth, PM me your mailing address and I'll send you a bank draft.
That's fine, but we already have a Smith and Wesson thread.
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:55:43 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:55:43 AM
Do you have a problem with that?
It's a simple question... Choose your answer wisely.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:57:33 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 01:57:33 AM
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:57:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:57:44 AM
So there's fucking two now.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Do you have a problem with that?
It's a simple question... Choose your answer wisely.
Yes, because we already have a Smith and Wesson thread.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 02:00:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 02:00:26 AM
What a goof! You're a joke, Steve!Quote from: "Angry White Male"
You've had enough to drink and you're being miserable..
See you tomorrow.
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 02:06:26 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 02:06:26 AM
So there's fucking two now.Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Do you have a problem with that?
It's a simple question... Choose your answer wisely.
Yes, I do.
And I chose very wisely.
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:05:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 01:05:10 PM
I will NEVER own another one of these absolute pieces of shit. I wish someone would've warned me...
Had I met you sooner, I'd have done so in spades.
Note to staff: I had no idea there was another S&W thread which I assume came before this one.
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
I will NEVER own another one of these absolute pieces of shit. I wish someone would've warned me...
Had I met you sooner, I'd have done so in spades.
Note to staff: I had no idea there was another S&W thread which I assume came before this one.
They probably didn't feel the need to inform you before they merged them.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Renee on May 18, 2018, 04:07:09 PM
Post by: Renee on May 18, 2018, 04:07:09 PM
There was two threads, as there were two separate themes.Quote from: "Tom"
Bricktop cried about that, and Fash banned me. She then condensed the threads to keep the little baby happy.
However, I have placed an order for a new screw with Numrich. Now I know the fucking thing is hollow, and must excercise care when tightening down that one screw.
Mel, dont ever over torque screws in a firearm.
If you are worried about them backing out, either put a dab of "loctite" on them or just keep a check on them as a part of normal maintenance.
You should always do a periodic pre-flight safety and functionality check on firearms...especially before going to the range or out in the field and that includes checking for loose screws, action lock up, bore obstructions, etc.
You are fucking around with shit and that's fine but make sure you know what you are doing first. The new Smiths have some significant changes to them and I can't say that all of them are for the best, because many are simply cost cutting meaures.
Now, as for why American ammo mfgrs do not max out the SAAMI pressure ratings in their factory ammo. In the case of revolver ammo like. 357 mag, or .38 spl. there are way too many small, alloy frame, revolvers on the market that simply cannot handle full pressure ammunition. Putting hot ammunition thru them opens them up to all sorts of problems and it opens the manufacturers to liability. Personally I've seen blown primers on heavy loads in small frame revolvers that force bits of metal into the firing pit mechanism and lock up the cylinder rotation. On some of these lighter revolvers, heavy bullets have been known to jump their crimp under recoil and the bullets have slid far enough forward to prevent cylinder rotation. Also unburned powder from the more heavily loaded cartridges can accumulated under the ejector star, preventing the cylinder from closing or rotating due to the extremely tight tolerances in smaller frame guns. And not to mention the cylinder gap expansion and frame stretch that heavy full power loads can cause on small frame revolvers.
You being an expert with 20 plus years experience should know ALL this already....
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 18, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
Should be on the way now from Numrich, even though I never did receive an email confirmation. If it gets billed to my credit card, I will assume screw is in the mail.
And American ammo is weak, for weak alloy toy guns! American is also litigious, and will buy alloy toy gun and then cry when it breaks into pieces!
European knows that full house .357 Magnum should be fired in real gun, not toy gun. And if European decides to full house toy gun, European will know what could potentially happen, and will accept responsibility for his actions!
My 9mm standard Euro ammo is hotter than US 9mm +P! American make toy bullets. Euro make the real deal!
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Renee on May 18, 2018, 06:35:22 PM
Post by: Renee on May 18, 2018, 06:35:22 PM
I do tend to ensure fasteners are secure, but I had no clue that the one screw was actually hollow with a spring inside... what purpose that serves other than weakening the screw is beyond me!Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Should be on the way now from Numrich, even though I never did receive an email confirmation. If it gets billed to my credit card, I will assume screw is in the mail.
And American ammo is weak, for weak alloy toy guns! American is also litigious, and will buy alloy toy gun and then cry when it breaks into pieces!
European knows that full house .357 Magnum should be fired in real gun, not toy gun. And if European decides to full house toy gun, European will know what could potentially happen, and will accept responsibility for his actions!
My 9mm standard Euro ammo is hotter than US 9mm +P! American make toy bullets. Euro make the real deal!
Sorry Mel, but that is not exactly true...Euro factory ammo is usually loaded withing the same SAAMI safety standards as domestic ammo. Euro manufacturers are cognizant of the same safety concerns as American ammo producers.
The only exception that I'm aware of is in the case of 9mm parabellum. And that's only because a lot of it is loaded to NATO specs.
Normally if someone were to really wish to shoot hot loads I would recommend buying a single stage press, a reloaders handbook, some components, and load your own rounds. But with you I hesitate to do that, because I know surer than shit, you would mess around with "half a load on" and blow yourself up. And although it would be funnier than hell to watch, I'm not sure your neighbors and condo association would appreciate it.
BTW, there is no such thing as "bullets for toy guns". That kind of attitude is dangerous.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2018, 07:36:04 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2018, 07:36:04 PM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 07:56:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 07:56:58 PM
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 09:18:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 09:18:26 PM
I will NEVER own another one of these absolute pieces of shit. I wish someone would've warned me...
Had I met you sooner, I'd have done so in spades.
Note to staff: I had no idea there was another S&W thread which I assume came before this one.
They probably didn't feel the need to inform you before they merged them.
I agree about the paucity of my briefings by staff, but I think you're mistaken about the merge. The OP of this thread is only two days old and I've followed the additions to it.
Mention guns, and the yanks come flocking in.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Title: Re: ANOTHER Smith & Wesson is garbage thread...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
[The OP of this thread is only two days old and I've followed the additions to it.Quote from: "Peaches"
I didn't see the need for a second thread about Smith and Wesson one day after the first one, so I merged the two threads.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 09:43:22 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 09:43:22 PM
They can stroke their barrels and finger their triggers all they want without broadcasting their addiction to killing implements to normal people.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 09:45:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 09:45:08 PM
How about a special forum for the gun nutters.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They can stroke their barrels and finger their triggers all they want without broadcasting their addiction to killing implements to normal people.
I don't think that's necessary Bricktop..
But neither is two threads in two days about the same thing.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 10:00:09 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 10:00:09 PM
Innocent children are slaughtered by these things. Threads lauding their virtues as if they are works of art, or worse, essential to democracy, are an offence to the victims and those they leave behind, grieving at the senseless loss of life facilitated in part by a seriously flawed government policy.
Park it where only those that think killing children is OK can visit and post. It is not restricting them in any way...and perhaps sends a message that these things are not toys...they are designed, built and SOLD for one purpose...to kill.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 10:32:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 10:32:17 PM
I do.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Innocent children are slaughtered by these things. Threads lauding their virtues as if they are works of art, or worse, essential to democracy, are an offence to the victims and those they leave behind, grieving at the senseless loss of life facilitated in part by a seriously flawed government policy.
Park it where only those that think killing children is OK can visit and post. It is not restricting them in any way...and perhaps sends a message that these things are not toys...they are designed, built and SOLD for one purpose...to kill.
Innocent people were slaughtered by home made bombs in the UK and Boston, but I don't think we need a sub for home made explosives.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 11:12:38 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 11:12:38 PM
If someone started a thread discussing the virtues of specific fertilisers to use as bomb material, and the best quality ball bearings to optimise casualties, you'd be on it like a...pardon the pun...shot. In fact, if you weren't, you'd be on the radar of law enforcement authorities.
I'm not advocating stifling or repressing...simply giving them their own area to twirl their revolvers where normal members don't have to be.
Gun worshippers kill more people than home made bombs. And there are some issues that you go so far as to censor here.
Make a stand.
Kids are dying.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 11:15:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 11:15:33 PM
I beg to differ.Quote from: "Bricktop"
If someone started a thread discussing the virtues of specific fertilisers to use as bomb material, and the best quality ball bearings to optimise casualties, you'd be on it like a...pardon the pun...shot. In fact, if you weren't, you'd be on the radar of law enforcement authorities.
I'm not advocating stifling or repressing...simply giving them their own area to twirl their revolvers where normal members don't have to be.
Gun worshippers kill more people than home made bombs. And there are some issues that you go so far as to censor here.
Make a stand.
Kids are dying.
There are gun owners that post here that are responsible..
They have every right to post about what they are interested in.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 11:20:16 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 18, 2018, 11:20:16 PM
There is no such things as a responsible gun owner, other than those with a lawful and practical need for such a weapon. Gun owners who buy weapons because it fulfils a "need" are smaller components of a system that kills others...including innocent children. Park them out of the main area, where they can discuss their addictions to tools of violence without befouling the main deck.
Make a stand.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 11:55:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2018, 11:55:25 PM
And I am not remotely suggesting they lose any such right. I am an avid advocate of free speech.Quote from: "Bricktop"
There is no such things as a responsible gun owner, other than those with a lawful and practical need for such a weapon. Gun owners who buy weapons because it fulfils a "need" are smaller components of a system that kills others...including innocent children. Park them out of the main area, where they can discuss their addictions to tools of violence without befouling the main deck.
Make a stand.
That's an opinion and I disagree. I think libtard enviro nazis are a far greater danger to this country than someone like Herman shooting at badgers with a rifle in one hand and a jug of swish in the other.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:04:46 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:04:46 AM
Sorry Mel, but that is not exactly true...Euro factory ammo is usually loaded withing the same SAAMI safety standards as domestic ammo. Euro manufacturers are cognizant of the same safety concerns as American ammo producers.Quote from: "Renee"
This may be true, but what I'm thinking is that Euro ammo is close to max SAAMI pressures, while US ammo seems to be well under SAAMI maximums.
As I've stated, my Euro 9mm surpasses US 9mm +P, and my .357 Magnum Euro is like almost 100 lb/ft more energy @ muzzle compared to US ammo.
While I am positive Euro ammo does not exceed safe pressures, it is also clear that US ammo is WELL UNDER safe pressures.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:08:24 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:08:24 AM
Hand loading is the only way to go. I need to rebuild my loading bench.Quote from: "kiebers"
Do you have a Dillon?
I've been looking at Dillon's.
And not Dillon from Beverly Hills 90210....
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:34:27 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:34:27 AM
Comparable Federal 9mm hardball? 364 ft/lbs @ muzzle.
.45 Federal hardball? 404 ft/lbs @ muzzle.
Winchester 9mm
Don't tell me that Euro ammo ain't hotter!
Federal American Eagle .357 Mag? 539 lb/ft @ muzzle. My Fiocchi .357 Mag target ammo? 636 lb/ft @ muzzle.
If I need a bit more 'poop,' I go Euro. You Americans produce weak ammo.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:47:16 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 12:47:16 AM
What's the rush though? Buy a Smith & Wesson, and be prepared to spend months getting the thing right! Maybe I die of old age first before the fucking thing is functional?
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: cc on May 19, 2018, 12:57:02 AM
Post by: cc on May 19, 2018, 12:57:02 AM
....Maybe I die of old age first before the fucking thing is functional?Quote
Which "gun" are you speaking of??
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 01:06:15 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 01:06:15 AM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 19, 2018, 04:08:23 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 19, 2018, 04:08:23 AM
And I am not remotely suggesting they lose any such right. I am an avid advocate of free speech.Quote from: "Bricktop"
There is no such things as a responsible gun owner, other than those with a lawful and practical need for such a weapon. Gun owners who buy weapons because it fulfils a "need" are smaller components of a system that kills others...including innocent children. Park them out of the main area, where they can discuss their addictions to tools of violence without befouling the main deck.
Make a stand.
That's an opinion and I disagree. I think libtard enviro nazis are a far greater danger to this country than someone like Herman shooting at badgers with a rifle in one hand and a jug of swish in the other.
Point it out if I am wrong...but I am not aware of libtard enviro nazis going into schools and shooting up the kids, or mowing down people at a music concert.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 04:30:56 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 04:30:56 AM
And herein lies the problem... It is often very difficult to predict who will do what.
A common theme though does appear, which is anger at society in general.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 19, 2018, 05:40:20 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 19, 2018, 05:40:20 AM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 05:46:46 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 05:46:46 AM
The most common theme, son, is they all have access to firearms.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Except the ones that manage access to other things, like bombs, rental trucks, knives, planes, bats, ropes, etc...
Right?
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: kiebers on May 19, 2018, 06:02:59 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 19, 2018, 06:02:59 AM
Hand loading is the only way to go. I need to rebuild my loading bench.Quote from: "kiebers"
Do you have a Dillon?
I've been looking at Dillon's.
And not Dillon from Beverly Hills 90210....
Nope, nothing that fancy. Just a simple press that is around 40 years old or so.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 06:06:06 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 06:06:06 AM
If your shit is 40 years old now, may not be a Dillon.
And NOT Dillon from 90210.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: kiebers on May 19, 2018, 06:10:54 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 19, 2018, 06:10:54 AM
I'm not advocating stifling or repressing...simply giving them their own area to twirl their revolvers where normal members don't have to be.
You just advocate using firearms to wipe out a religious group.
Muslim de-programming on a budget;Quote from: "Bricktop"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fii.cheaperthandirt.com%2Ffcgi-bin%2Fiipsrv.fcgi%3FFIF%3D%2Fimages%2Fcheaperthandirt%2Fsource%2F3-0111463_1.tif%26wid%3D480%26cvt%3Djpeg&f=1%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%20...%203Djpeg&f=1%22%3Ehttps://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fii.cheaperthandirt.com%2Ffcgi-bin%2Fiipsrv.fcgi%3FFIF%3D%2Fimages%2Fcheaperthandirt%2Fsource%2F3-0111463_1.tif%26wid%3D480%26cvt%3Djpeg&f=1%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 06:15:52 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 06:15:52 AM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Renee on May 19, 2018, 12:02:49 PM
Post by: Renee on May 19, 2018, 12:02:49 PM
Sorry Mel, but that is not exactly true...Euro factory ammo is usually loaded withing the same SAAMI safety standards as domestic ammo. Euro manufacturers are cognizant of the same safety concerns as American ammo producers.Quote from: "Renee"
This may be true, but what I'm thinking is that Euro ammo is close to max SAAMI pressures, while US ammo seems to be well under SAAMI maximums.
As I've stated, my Euro 9mm surpasses US 9mm +P, and my .357 Magnum Euro is like almost 100 lb/ft more energy @ muzzle compared to US ammo.
While I am positive Euro ammo does not exceed safe pressures, it is also clear that US ammo is WELL UNDER safe pressures.
Actually Mel, American or Euro the pressures are irrelevant for your needs. You don't need heavy loads to punch paper....that's just stupid. What you should be looking for is accuracy and not muzzle blast. Unless of course you are one of those clowns who are more interested in being a John Wayne wannabe...find one or two loads that your gun likes best and stick with them, regardless of where they are manufactured.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Renee on May 19, 2018, 12:15:32 PM
Post by: Renee on May 19, 2018, 12:15:32 PM
I thought Dillon was kinda the 'go-to' reloader now?Quote from: "Angry White Male"
If your shit is 40 years old now, may not be a Dillon.
And NOT Dillon from 90210.
90% of the reloading gear I have is Lyman. I have a Lyman turret press, powder measure, case tumbler, and scale. For the average hand loader, that's all you need.
Once you have your cases cleaned and primed, you can have 200 pistol rounds made in an hour.
In the case of a progressive type press, which I do not recommend for a novice, Dillon makes a nice press. Hornady makes a nice one as well.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2018, 12:21:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2018, 12:21:38 PM
I thought Dillon was kinda the 'go-to' reloader now?Quote from: "Angry White Male"
If your shit is 40 years old now, may not be a Dillon.
And NOT Dillon from 90210.
90% of the reloading gear I have is Lyman. I have a Lyman turret press, powder measure, case tumbler, and scale. For the average hand loader, that's all you need.
Once you have your cases cleaned and primed, you can have 200 pistol rounds made in an hour.
In the case of a progressive type press, which I do not recommend for a novice, Dillon makes a nice press. Hornady makes a nice one as well.
Ah what do you know about guns. Do the gun manufacturers know as much as you about their own products.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Renee on May 19, 2018, 01:32:38 PM
Post by: Renee on May 19, 2018, 01:32:38 PM
I thought Dillon was kinda the 'go-to' reloader now?Quote from: "Angry White Male"
If your shit is 40 years old now, may not be a Dillon.
And NOT Dillon from 90210.
90% of the reloading gear I have is Lyman. I have a Lyman turret press, powder measure, case tumbler, and scale. For the average hand loader, that's all you need.
Once you have your cases cleaned and primed, you can have 200 pistol rounds made in an hour.
In the case of a progressive type press, which I do not recommend for a novice, Dillon makes a nice press. Hornady makes a nice one as well.
Ah what do you know about guns. Do the gun manufacturers know as much as you about their own products.
I'm sure they are very knowledgeable,... more so that me. I know many people who know more than I do. I learned from one who's knowledge is far greater than mine.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 02:22:50 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 19, 2018, 02:22:50 PM
Unless of course you are one of those clowns who are more interested in being a John Wayne wannabe...Quote from: "Renee"
I am John Wayne (but not Gacy) wanna be clown.
Muzzle blast and recoil is my friend.
For times I do not wish muzzle blast, recoil, and noise, but still like accuracy, I have a scoped .22lr for those times I don't wanna be clown cowboy!
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 19, 2018, 07:24:29 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 19, 2018, 07:24:29 PM
I'm not advocating stifling or repressing...simply giving them their own area to twirl their revolvers where normal members don't have to be.
You just advocate using firearms to wipe out a religious group.Muslim de-programming on a budget;Quote from: "Bricktop"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fii.cheaperthandirt.com%2Ffcgi-bin%2Fiipsrv.fcgi%3FFIF%3D%2Fimages%2Fcheaperthandirt%2Fsource%2F3-0111463_1.tif%26wid%3D480%26cvt%3Djpeg&f=1%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%20...%203Djpeg&f=1%22%3Ehttps://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fii.cheaperthandirt.com%2Ffcgi-bin%2Fiipsrv.fcgi%3FFIF%3D%2Fimages%2Fcheaperthandirt%2Fsource%2F3-0111463_1.tif%26wid%3D480%26cvt%3Djpeg&f=1%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
I guess the principle of satire and sarcasm just goes right over your grey head, eh, wrinkly?
And just to keep the record straight, I have said that there ARE legitimate reasons to possess firearms, such as primary producers, security and law enforcement, pest extermination and culling muslims.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 02:45:36 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 02:45:36 AM
And just to keep the record straight, I have said thatQuote from: "Bricktop"there ARE legitimate reasons to possess firearms, such asprimary producers, security and law enforcement, pest extermination and culling muslims.
You do know that what you've just stated here could actually get you in trouble in most jurisdictions, right?
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 04:40:43 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 04:40:43 AM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 04:42:29 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 04:42:29 AM
And?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Take it as you will. I don't give a fuck what you post...
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 04:47:46 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 04:47:46 AM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 04:50:44 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 04:50:44 AM
And you seem to think that I...or any other member, other than that other gun worshipper...give a toss about your drivel? Let alone your threads about guns?Quote from: "Bricktop"
I really think you need a time out, to be quite honest.
You are babbling now, and are actually making statements that are against the law in all nations.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 04:51:39 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 04:51:39 AM
Report me.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2018, 05:14:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2018, 05:14:22 PM
Call the cops, then, shortpants.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Report me.
I'm sure the authorities here will get right on it.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 07:01:51 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 07:01:51 PM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2018, 07:03:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2018, 07:03:43 PM
Call the cops, then, shortpants.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Report me.
I'm sure the authorities here will get right on it.
Kiebers and I are devoting all of our vast resources to this problem.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 07:07:25 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 07:07:25 PM
Title: ATTN: Renee. A question...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 07:29:26 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on May 20, 2018, 07:29:26 PM
First, from a loading chart I have included, it appears there should be no problems loading .357 Mag to original 'full house' specs. Two powders I have outlined should achieve this. I'm hoping these are fast burning powders, as they are using a 10" test barrel and I am not.
You know what they say... The bigger the fireball, the better! John Wayne Cowboy style.
However, my question is this: What basic reloader would you recommend? I don't need too many bells and whistles like double charge protection and crap like that. I know what I'm doing, and just want a basic, quality device. Would a basic Dillon be good quality for the buck? Whatcha think about that...
I can't think of anything more, what's the word, meditational than having a few brews while peacefully reloading John Wayne Cowboy fireball loads into cases.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Call the cops, then, shortpants.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Report me.
I'm sure the authorities here will get right on it.
Kiebers and I are devoting all of our vast resources to this problem.
:laugh:
So is Bricktop, it appears...such as they are.
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Cronus on May 20, 2018, 08:40:22 PM
Post by: Cronus on May 20, 2018, 08:40:22 PM
Title: Re: Screw You Smith & Wesson...
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 10:02:23 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2018, 10:02:23 PM
Call the cops, then, shortpants.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Report me.
I'm sure the authorities here will get right on it.
Kiebers and I are devoting all of our vast resources to this problem.
:laugh:
ac_lmfao
So is Bricktop, it appears...such as they are.
Hey...I don't do half measures!!