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Title: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 05:33:25 PM
It's not that I'm allergic or anything, but I went with dark furnishings that appear to dust up quite quickly.



I'm not that lazy, but I don't exactly care to dust all the time either.



Wonder how much a decent purifier would actually help with removing dust?
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 24, 2018, 05:37:07 PM
You can also open your windows on the daily for fresh air.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 05:44:41 PM
I never open my windows, as I like to climate control my unit year round.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2018, 05:46:01 PM
Is dust a problem in your condo Mel?
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Is dust a problem in your condo Mel?

Dust is a problem in every dwelling worldwide, as far as I know.



It's just that my very dark furnishings show even small amounts of dust very easily, and would prefer to dust less frequently.



Bringing me to question whether a purifier would help much with that...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2018, 06:01:52 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Is dust a problem in your condo Mel?

Dust is a problem in every dwelling worldwide, as far as I know.



It's just that my very dark furnishings show even small amounts of dust very easily, and would prefer to dust less frequently.



Bringing me to question whether a purifier would help much with that...

Not if you keep on top of cleaning your home.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 24, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"I never open my windows, as I like to climate control my unit year round.


You do realize the dust is YOUR dead skin cells.  There is also bacteria in the air that just keeps circulating.



Are you afraid of fresh air?
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Not if you keep on top of cleaning your home.

I've clearly stated that I'd like to reduce dusting intervals!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 24, 2018, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Is dust a problem in your condo Mel?


Bringing me to question whether a purifier would help much with that...

 No.  Because you shed dead skin cells.



This is just as dumb as this person who asked me if there was a product they could buy to put in their garden so weeds won't grow....what a dumb world...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet"You do realize the dust is YOUR dead skin cells.  There is also bacteria in the air that just keeps circulating.

Are you afraid of fresh air?

You are wrong.  Dead skin cells make up only a small portion of dust.



The air here is fresh.  Why wouldn't it be?  It's not like I live in a sealed hyperbaric oxygen chamber.  I'm not Michael Jackson.  It's just that I'm not going to attempt to heat or cool my unit with all the fucking windows open!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 06:10:38 PM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet"No.  Because you shed dead skin cells.



This is just as dumb as this person who asked me if there was a product they could buy to put in their garden so weeds won't grow....what a dumb world...

Dumb?  Your brain is obviously too fried to even understand my question.  Go smoke another joint...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 24, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Berry Sweet"No.  Because you shed dead skin cells.



This is just as dumb as this person who asked me if there was a product they could buy to put in their garden so weeds won't grow....what a dumb world...

Dumb?  Your brain is obviously too fried to even understand my question.  Go smoke another joint...

What is dust made up of? Dust is made up of a variety of things from blowing dirt, bacteria, pollen, pollutants, molds, animal dander, hair, decomposing insects, fibers, dryer lint, insulation, dust mites and their excrement, and mostly, skin flakes that humans shed.



http://www.pagespersonalcleaning.net/household_dust.htm
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 06:27:50 PM
I know what it's fucking made out of, and was trying to correct you in your thinking that dust is nothing more than dead skin cells.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 24, 2018, 06:29:50 PM
I suppose the only way to know how well a particular purifier would work, is to simply run one and see how much the filter ends up trapping over time.  HEPA-type filter is a must...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 01:34:39 AM
Decided to purchase the Honeywell HPA100.  It's a smaller to mid-sized unit, so easy enough to tuck it somewhere out of the way.  It does take true HEPA filters, which are a tad more pricey than regular filters.  It has a coarser pre-filter, which should be changed more often, but aren't terribly expensive.



Will see how much dust this thing pulls out of the air over time.  The more in its filters, the less to end up on my furnishings, which is the goal.



However, asthmatics and people with allergies do claim that these things help them big time, so they must do something!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2018, 02:01:04 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"It's not that I'm allergic or anything, but I went with dark furnishings that appear to dust up quite quickly.



I'm not that lazy, but I don't exactly care to dust all the time either.



Wonder how much a decent purifier would actually help with removing dust?

Waste of money.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 02:13:04 AM
Tonight mate got me a quite big Honeywell HPA160C ... hoping it will help my constant congestion that I have had of late  .. and yes its a 99.97% super dual hepa filters ... was 1/3 off sale so not bad deal



We may try out the even better electronic / ion ones  if this works .. expensive but if I get relief  it would would be cheap.



London Drugs is good on returns, so call this a tryout ... Giving it a first  go tonight



Your thread got me going on an idea we have been toying with lately .. albeit different priority
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 02:20:14 AM
The electronic/ion ones are a complete gimmick.  Stay away.  They do not filter anything worth a damn.  In fact, some produce Ozone, which is an irritant!



Odd how we both have new air purifiers...  Did you get that idea from me earlier today?



You picked well.  Your machine is very similar to mine, except the tower version.  True HEPA is the best way to go, even though the filters aren't cheap.  You got a very good deal on your machine.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 02:22:10 AM
Your thread got me off my ass on an idea we have been toying with lately .. albeit different priority ... and London had a deal on a big one with dual hepa filters   + pre-filter  .. moves a lot of air ... so we made the move for a biggy at a good price  .. regular price was 210 .. got for 140



We'll see if it helps me ... got it on "allergy mode" which really moves a lot of air .. also had it on "turbo" temporarily to really move air and prep the room before bed
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 02:33:12 AM
You got a good deal, and London Drugs is good with returns if there's a problem.  Honeywell True HEPA's are rated tops in class for the price.



I'll probably just leave mine running 24/7 on Low.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 02:36:13 AM
London is great - in fact in the club gets one 30 days tryout



We buy most electrical stuff there ... TV, some computers etc  .. espresso machine .. grill   etc .. headquarters in Richmond, so local firm and so they get to here stuff fast
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 02:39:13 AM
Plus, they seem to be the only ones that carry Allenbury's bar soap, which is the only bar soap I have bought for years!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 02:41:50 AM
and the only one I know that carries Genco espresso beans ...... the one we picked as best after trying a half dozen others



Gotta go - we'll see if congestion clears a bit now



Have a good night
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 03:10:33 AM
Rest well.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Renee on May 25, 2018, 11:37:03 AM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"It's not that I'm allergic or anything, but I went with dark furnishings that appear to dust up quite quickly.



I'm not that lazy, but I don't exactly care to dust all the time either.



Wonder how much a decent purifier would actually help with removing dust?


It depends on the efficiency of the hepa filter you use. Choose one rated for the lowest micron filtration.



BTW, get one with an activated carbon filter as well. It will help remove the stale odor you leave behind while you sweat out all that cheap gin.



Have a great weekend.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 25, 2018, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Angry White Male"It's not that I'm allergic or anything, but I went with dark furnishings that appear to dust up quite quickly.



I'm not that lazy, but I don't exactly care to dust all the time either.



Wonder how much a decent purifier would actually help with removing dust?


It depends on the efficiency of the hepa filter you use. Choose one rated for the lowest micron filtration.



BTW, get one with an activated carbon filter as well. It will help remove the stale odor you leave behind while you sweat out all that cheap gin.



Have a great weekend.


 :laugh3:   no shit!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 03:27:14 PM
The Honeywell True HEPA models do come equipped with a certified HEPA filter, meaning they must filter 99.97% of particles right down to 0.3 Microns in size, so yes they are the real deal!  That's why real HEPA filters aren't exactly cheap!



These models do in fact come with an activated carbon pre-filter also!



A filter like this would be handy for people like Berry Sweet, as it would also filter out the stale sweetness that lingers in the air when she goes on one of her crack benders...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Renee on May 25, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"The Honeywell True HEPA models do come equipped with a certified HEPA filter, meaning they must filter 99.97% of particles right down to 0.3 Microns in size, so yes they are the real deal!  That's why real HEPA filters aren't exactly cheap!



These models do in fact come with an activated carbon pre-filter also!



A filter like this would be handy for people like Berry Sweet, as it would also filter out the stale sweetness that lingers in the air when she goes on one of her crack benders...


Mel, dont piggyback on another posters wit. It shows a distinct lack of originality and mental sharpness.



This place already has one talentless, ignoble, Aussie, prick that does that shit...Don't follow in his despicable foot steps.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 04:03:45 PM
I give what I get.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 04:41:50 PM
First night miracle - woke up with very little congestion - not happened in years ... dust? allergens, combination of particles, no way to pin down, not sure



Getting a larger model on trial today for living area - not sure yet if needed, but likely is
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 04:45:19 PM
I have read numerous reports similar to yours.  These things do work!



Canadian Tire and Home Depot carry larger models, like the 300, which take three HEPA filters.  Obviously for larger rooms...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 04:58:37 PM
Thinking of the 250 for main area - at over 70.00 off this week



Depot was fairly expensive



Edit: Prices equal on most models but not on sale at depot - maybe they pricematch
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
Home Depot will beat a competitors price by 10% for in store items.



If it's online sales only, they will simply pricematch.



Or so they claim!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 05:11:56 PM
Was gonna say that the 250 has the same capacity as the 200.  The only difference is that is has bluetooth (useless to me).  So, may not be worth paying extra and to just stick with the cheaper 200.  Or get the 300, as it's not much more expensive than the 250.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 06:04:41 PM
Ya. I'm going by the sale prices and what is available - 250 is 229 on sale - regular  300



Can't find 300 online for home depot
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 06:11:34 PM
300 at Home Depot $299.99:  https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.true-hepa-large-console.1000727632.html



Canadian Tire also has the 300, and I think it was on sale for the same price also @ $299.99.



I think Canadian Tire had the 200 also, and it was $229.00 also I believe, so in that case go with the 250 as it's the same price.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 06:51:51 PM
Just one word of advice...  These units (the 100, 200, 250, and 300) take an "R" type HEPA filter.



It seems that within the last couple of months, these filters have been made by a different supplier, and some people are complaining that they emit a chemical odour, at least when they are new.



Mine does so a little bit, but I'll assume that should diminish with time.



The parent company Kaz is aware of this problem, and it looks like they're taking complaints seriously.  I would possibly avoid buying any replacement type R filters, until you actually need them, with the idea being that KAZ will have rectified the issue by then.



For me, it doesn't really bother me, but some people are quite sensitive to certain odours (which may be why they bought purifier in the first place)!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 25, 2018, 07:13:09 PM
Will keep eyes on that filter odor



Mate is out getting the 250 on sale - we plan to test if it will do bedroom at night aimed from dining room



If it works, will take both back and buy the 300 for 300.00



It not, will keep the 170 that worked beaut last night in bedroom and use 250 for rest of place or pay more and exchange for 300



Damn!! I'm happy!! First day without awful congestion (and all that accompanies it) in decades ... so far still good with nothing running



And thanks for your assistance!!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 25, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
No problem.  Just to give you a heads up on the potential filter issue that some have had.  Your 170 uses a different filter I believe.



And I'm sure one 300 would be more than adequate for a condo, but nothing wrong with having one in the bedroom and another in the living room.  In fact, having one for each room would work better I'm sure...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 26, 2018, 06:44:10 PM
Another night with the smaller version in the bedroom. Same "clear of congestion" result. Did stuff up a bit in living room today, so went back to bedroom and ran it awhile and all is now OK .. all the proof I need!!



We do see the need for me  .. "a life"  ... so we are returning the 200 series (not used it at all)  and going all the way for the 300 to do the main area  ... intend to run it on low speed all day and smaller one all night in bedroom



None on sale - Home Depot has stock and best price we can find



EDIT - We got the big one up & running also
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 26, 2018, 11:09:04 PM
I don't think you'll find a better price.  Home Depot Bellingham has that model on sale right now, and even at sale price comes to $257.00 CDN.  Not worth going, as the duty would price it the same as you'd pay here.



I bought my Whynter A/C there, but only because they don't sell that brand in stores here.  Of course border guard made me pay duty, but the unit was on sale so that helped...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 27, 2018, 12:10:45 AM
Duty? I have never seen or paid  duty in decades



You sure? We just made two major purchases, new wheels, 800 US , custom grille 600 US



each shipped to Blaine, pickup up in Blaine  and paid only the usual sales taxes at border (exact amount of tax we would pay at a Canadian store) - No duty



So one would still save  on purchase .. but credit card conversion (one loses on)  and travel time & expense would make it not worth while unless visiting B'ham anyhow .. and maybe paying cash



Anyhow, our new 300 (Home Depot here) is purring in the dining / living room now till bedtime ...  and use the 170 (a really nice machine) for bedroom ... the 300 is nice also .. although a bit louder than I thought middle setting would be
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 27, 2018, 12:50:56 AM
Yup.  They wrote me the little yellow "go inside and pay duty" slip!  They often won't bother for gas and a few groceries, but I guess they figured the A/C unit was worth enough to make me pay duty!



Duty is not applicable to items made in the US, Canada, or Mexico (NAFTA?).  However, this item was made in China (of course), so they hit me up with the duty, which worked out to more than just the sales tax would have been!



And good that you found luck with your air purifiers!  That 300 should move enough air if left on most of the time, so why not just leave it running on the lowest setting for added silence?
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Odinson on May 27, 2018, 11:06:19 AM
If you marry an 18year old latina girl.. She keeps everything clean all the time.





Your belly will be full and your balls will be empty.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 27, 2018, 01:54:46 PM
Yes, we got the yellow slip, but again only usual tax was asked for - maybe country of origin is a factor, but they had no way to know that ours were US made  ... that applies to all items unless they do a lot of investigation
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 27, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
The bull dyke border guard did a quick internet search of the A/C unit, which would not only have brought up the price, but the country of origin also...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 27, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
wow. I guess our stuff (shiny wheels and custom grille) was US made  ... or they din't check



I had thot duty between all countries was long over, "crap global trade treaties etc" ... guess not so
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 27, 2018, 03:28:22 PM
Duty can still be applied if the item is not made in Canada, the US, or Mexico.  



They wanted to know the exact model number, and they searched it.



I often wonder if they do these things simply due to my rugged good looks...  gives them a reason to spend more time 'interacting' with me.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 27, 2018, 05:14:18 PM
Aw. So do you have your machine now?



The 300 is good -  a bit louder on medium than we expected but bearable. I suspect left on at low after an hour or so on medium or high to clear air will do the job.



I am amazed to be totally clear of the congestion I have always had for years - only took one night with the smaller bedroom unit to prove the concept works.



Now with one in each area, I feel so "pure"  :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Odinson on May 27, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Does it remove pollution?



There´s moss growing on trees where I live which means the outside air is pure.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 27, 2018, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: "cc"Aw. So do you have your machine now?

Yup.  Bought the purifier same day I started this thread!
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 27, 2018, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"Does it remove pollution?

There´s moss growing on trees where I live which means the outside air is pure.

The particular models that CC and I bought will.  They utilize true HEPA certified filters.



Other models offer 'HEPA-Like' filtration, but these aren't the same, perhaps being anywhere from 'almost as good' to 'not very good at all,' since only true HEPA filters must meet certain criteria.  Any other filter does not...
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Odinson on May 27, 2018, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Odinson"Does it remove pollution?

There´s moss growing on trees where I live which means the outside air is pure.

The particular models that CC and I bought will.  They utilize true HEPA certified filters.



Other models offer 'HEPA-Like' filtration, but these aren't the same, perhaps being anywhere from 'almost as good' to 'not very good at all,' since only true HEPA filters must meet certain criteria.  Any other filter does not...


One of my biggest worries is the sound they make..



How loud are they?
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 27, 2018, 05:47:53 PM
On low, not very loud at all.  Most people should not have a problem sleeping beside one, if it's on low.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: cc on May 27, 2018, 09:20:01 PM
The smaller one we have for bedroom is quite quiet on medium. The bigger one is very quiet on low and livable on medium - plan to  turn on medium for a while, then let it idle on low for rest of day ... can do that we believe as we got the large model .. it still moves a good quantity  of air on low



Gotta thank you for triggering us  .. been toying with idea for some time .... I'm now getting used to not being congested 24 hrs a day .. . a fun task



Further bonus, the concept pretty much has to  reduce the amount dust falling on floor and furniture
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an air purifier...
Post by: Angry White Male on May 28, 2018, 02:01:05 AM
Quote from: "cc"Further bonus, the concept pretty much has to  reduce the amount dust falling on floor and furniture

That's the main reason I decided to buy one, as I'm not really one to suffer from allergies.



I decided to go with a 'dark' theme for my furnishings, which means even a little dust instantly appears.  Hopefully the purifier can reduce this somewhat also, so I don't have to walk around with a Swiffer Duster glued to my hand 24/7.