We all knew this was coming....
[size=150]MCDONALD'S TO HAVE DIGITAL KIOSKS IN EVERY STORE BY 2020[/size]
America's largest food chain, McDonald's, plans to have self-order digital kiosks in every store by 2020.
The modernization announcement was made by McDonald's in an attempt to increase customer satisfaction and remain competitive in the fast-food market.
A McDonald's spokesperson told BuzzFeed that their locations will "still have cashiers — kiosks provide another option for customers to order and pay. We're finding with kiosks, customers tend to feel less rushed, take their time, browse the menu, and often order more."
The announcement can also be seen as a direct reflection of minimum wage hikes around the country. In places like Seattle and San Fransisco, the minimum wage is $14.00 and above, making the margins on a service franchise untenable.
BuzzFeed reports that the ballooning labor costs are already being felt by McDonald's bottom line, citing McDonald's payroll and employee benefits were up to 30.2 percent of sales, a sharp increase from 2017.
The national "Fight For $15" has been embraced by prominent Democrats, such as Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/06/mcdonalds-digital-kiosks-by-2020/
Well thank God at least not ALL unskilled labor jobs are in jeopardy. Until someone figures out a way to develop a digital mop, Scouce's job of cleaning up the local pub's loo is safe.... :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
It could also be argued that self-serve kiosks would've been implemented regardless of what the minimum wage is.
Self serve Kiosks have been used around here for years in some grocery stores, and most McDonald's around here already use them. Seems to me that the majority of customers will still prefer to deal with a live cashier given the choice, from what I've seen.
Business has always found ways to eliminate as many paid employees as they can.
Where I live these changes won't make a difference, as fast food outlets can hardly find enough quality staff to work there anyhow. The McDonald's down the street from me would probably hire almost anyone on the spot.
Truth to be told, in the future, AI, robotics and IoT will make 90% of all jobs obsolete
There's a reason for a bunch of countries experimenting with "free wages" for people
They want to see how will a society that gets paid to do nothing will behave
And of course, we've been seeing the result of that in the people who live on welfare.
As an old saying that goes around here in Brazil "An empty mind is the devil's workshop"
They would have replaced them anyway..
The problem with automation is mass-unemployment...
Mass-unemployment causes violence, rioting and protesting..
15 per hour is fucking insane..
Wage for an unskilled labourer is about 10-11 bucks per hour... In here..
And we are heavily unionized.. Taxes and prices are high.
Its enough for modest living.. Not for gucci hand-bags, fine restaurants and so on.
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Nice post Seoulbro. :laugh3:
Exactly, Odinson. It all depends where one lives.
For instance, in Vancouver, full time at minimum wage would not even pay the rent for a one bedroom apartment. In other places, it could.
This has actually created a huge problem for employers, since there's nobody left to work for minimum wage. They can't live and stay there, so they leave.
It is not uncommon for some restaurants to actually pay around *gasp* $20/hour just to get someone to arrive. Our minimum wage is around $12.00/hour now. This is the market dictating wages, and trust me it infuriates employers have to pay that. They only want to pay the minimum.
I would think you may see this in other places like San Francisco or Manhattan too, but not sure as I don't live and work there.
Our wages would even be market driven and forced even higher, but a massive and steady influx of immigrants keeps that 'problem' somewhat under control for employers.
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I've talked about this a lot.
I don't go into any McDonald's often, but when I do they always have a kiosk . Rapid increases in minimum wages for jobs that are disappearing anyway is foolish. The better option to help low wage workers like Scouse would be to take them off of federal and provincial tax collection roles. Workers and small business owners would have more money in their pockets.
This is nothing new from business. From the minute they started building cars, for instance, there has been a constant push to eliminate the labour needed to do so.
It has nothing to do with wages. If robots or machines can do it for cheaper, they will do it. Nothing new...
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I've talked about this a lot.
I don't go into any McDonald's often, but when I do they always have a kiosk . Rapid increases in minimum wages for jobs that are disappearing anyway is foolish.
That would be a win win solution, but do you think provincial and federal governments would give all that revenue back to low income workers?
And yes, I've seen those kiosks in McDonald's restaurants when I shop at Walmart.
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I've talked about this a lot.
I don't go into any McDonald's often, but when I do they always have a kiosk . Rapid increases in minimum wages for jobs that are disappearing anyway is foolish.
That would be a win win solution, but
And yes, I've seen those kiosks in McDonald's restaurants when I shop at Walmart.
Ottawa and the provinces work together to slash revenue? Not a chance.
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I've talked about this a lot.
I don't go into any McDonald's often, but when I do they always have a kiosk . Rapid increases in minimum wages for jobs that are disappearing anyway is foolish.
That would be a win win solution, but
And yes, I've seen those kiosks in McDonald's restaurants when I shop at Walmart.
Ottawa and the provinces work together to slash revenue? Not a chance.
Here in Alberta where minimum wage becomes fifteen dollars per hour by the end of this year, tipping down..
This means wait staff are earning less money, but paying more tax.
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Self serve Kiosks have been used around here for years in some grocery stores, and most McDonald's around here already use them. Seems to me that the majority of customers will still prefer to deal with a live cashier given the choice, from what I've seen.
Business has always found ways to eliminate as many paid employees as they can.
Where I live these changes won't make a difference, as fast food outlets can hardly find enough quality staff to work there anyhow. The McDonald's down the street from me would probably hire almost anyone on the spot.
When supermarket staff try to herd me into self serv, I loudly ask for a uniform and staff discount. One young woman talked down to me once and acted like I was too dumb to use self serv. So I dropped the items in my arms on the floor and walked out.
They don't try to do that here...
Most of the staff are young paypass junkies and glued to their smartphones. They like to stand in self serve and text their boyfriends.
So Renee is a fan of big corporations paying peanuts? Interesting...... Are you a fan of mass immigration also? Because the wealthy fat cats are, because it supplies them with a never ending supply of cheap labour.
Here's the problem, in the UK we have been flooded with Poles, there's literally more of them here than there is in Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with Polish people, it's not as though they are going round grooming young white girls or hanging around in gangs robbing and stabbing people like our homegrown n1ggers, which bizarrely you apparently like so much. No, they are for the most part here to work. However the problem is they have driven wages down in just about every line of work. Why would an employer pay £10 an hour when a Pole will do the job for minimum wage? That coupled with the fact that they are taking jobs which English people could have, resulting in unemployment, makes it more than obvious that mass immigration is ultimately detrimental to the quality of life for the working class.
Now as for the minimum wage, it is far too low and is nowhere near in line with the cost of living. £10 an hour would be a fair wage considering how expensive things are nowadays, but of course business owners and the elite fat cats would kick up a huge stink and most likely the price of food, services etc would shoot up, so people would be no better off. There is also the issue of benefits or welfare as you Yanks call it. The problem is when the minimum wage is so low there is no incentive to work and people realise that working for a low wage makes you only marginally better off than being on the dole. So there needs to be a rise in the minimum wage to motivate them and show them that working does pay.
Being from a working class background, which incidentally I am not ashamed of, I am around people who work for minimum wage and have experienced it first hand when I have worked low wage jobs in the past, and I can honestly say that the minimum wage does need to be higher. Otherwise, people will just resort to living on benefits.
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Here's the problem, in the UK we have been flooded with Poles, there's literally more of them here than there is in Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with Polish people, it's not as though they are going round grooming young white girls or hanging around in gangs robbing and stabbing people like our homegrown n1ggers, which bizarrely you apparently like so much. No, they are for the most part here to work. However the problem is they have driven wages down in just about every line of work. Why would an employer pay £10 an hour when a Pole will do the job for minimum wage? That coupled with the fact that they are taking jobs which English people could have, resulting in unemployment, makes it more than obvious that mass immigration is ultimately detrimental to the quality of life for the working class.
Now as for the minimum wage, it is far too low and is nowhere near in line with the cost of living. £10 an hour would be a fair wage considering how expensive things are nowadays, but of course business owners and the elite fat cats would kick up a huge stink and most likely the price of food, services etc would shoot up, so people would be no better off. There is also the issue of benefits or welfare as you Yanks call it. The problem is when the minimum wage is so low there is no incentive to work and people realise that working for a low wage makes you only marginally better off than being on the dole. So there needs to be a rise in the minimum wage to motivate them and show them that working does pay.
Being from a working class background, which incidentally I am not ashamed of, I am around people who work for minimum wage and have experienced it first hand when I have worked low wage jobs in the past, and I can honestly say that the minimum wage does need to be higher. Otherwise, people will just resort to living on benefits.
Most employers that pay minimum wage are not elite fat cats. They probably work one hundred plus hours a week, they are mortgaged up to their eyeballs and barely scraping by. As conservative as the Seoul brother is, he is right about rapid minimum wage increases. His alternative is not a bad idea either.
I want to say though, I believe in good paying industrial jobs. It can't be done on the backs of a broke ass corner store owner. Governments in Canada chase away mines and resource development that have jobs you can support a family on to other countries. Then they take away what little money the people have left with expensive green energy bullshit. The government is responsible for creating poverty, not small business owners.
Bring on cryptocurrency.
When people no longer have to rely on manipulated fiat from governments and privileged corporations, their regulatory tone will shift massively.
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When people no longer have to rely on manipulated fiat from governments and privileged corporations, their regulatory tone will shift massively.
If you are talking about unskilled service jobs, it's not about privileged corporations. It's about keeping their heads above water and governments across this continent have declared war on small business.
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When people no longer have to rely on manipulated fiat from governments and privileged corporations, their regulatory tone will shift massively.
If you are talking about unskilled service jobs, it's not about privileged corporations. It's about keeping their heads above water and governments across this continent have declared war on small business.
Governments through their partnerships with fractional banking reserves and use of punitive income and property taxes with regulations, keep small business down.
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Here's the problem, in the UK we have been flooded with Poles, there's literally more of them here than there is in Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with Polish people, it's not as though they are going round grooming young white girls or hanging around in gangs robbing and stabbing people like our homegrown n1ggers, which bizarrely you apparently like so much. No, they are for the most part here to work. However the problem is they have driven wages down in just about every line of work. Why would an employer pay £10 an hour when a Pole will do the job for minimum wage? That coupled with the fact that they are taking jobs which English people could have, resulting in unemployment, makes it more than obvious that mass immigration is ultimately detrimental to the quality of life for the working class.
Now as for the minimum wage, it is far too low and is nowhere near in line with the cost of living. £10 an hour would be a fair wage considering how expensive things are nowadays, but of course business owners and the elite fat cats would kick up a huge stink and most likely the price of food, services etc would shoot up, so people would be no better off. There is also the issue of benefits or welfare as you Yanks call it. The problem is when the minimum wage is so low there is no incentive to work and people realise that working for a low wage makes you only marginally better off than being on the dole. So there needs to be a rise in the minimum wage to motivate them and show them that working does pay.
Being from a working class background, which incidentally I am not ashamed of, I am around people who work for minimum wage and have experienced it first hand when I have worked low wage jobs in the past, and I can honestly say that the minimum wage does need to be higher. Otherwise, people will just resort to living on benefits.
Most employers that pay minimum wage are not elite fat cats. They probably work one hundred plus hours a week, they are mortgaged up to their eyeballs and barely scraping by. As conservative as the Seoul brother is, he is right about rapid minimum wage increases. His alternative is not a bad idea either.
I never said small business owners are fat cats, I know they often struggle financially, but like I said people deserve to earn a fair wage so they can live comfortably, not scrape by.
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Here's the problem, in the UK we have been flooded with Poles, there's literally more of them here than there is in Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with Polish people, it's not as though they are going round grooming young white girls or hanging around in gangs robbing and stabbing people like our homegrown n1ggers, which bizarrely you apparently like so much. No, they are for the most part here to work. However the problem is they have driven wages down in just about every line of work. Why would an employer pay £10 an hour when a Pole will do the job for minimum wage? That coupled with the fact that they are taking jobs which English people could have, resulting in unemployment, makes it more than obvious that mass immigration is ultimately detrimental to the quality of life for the working class.
Now as for the minimum wage, it is far too low and is nowhere near in line with the cost of living. £10 an hour would be a fair wage considering how expensive things are nowadays, but of course business owners and the elite fat cats would kick up a huge stink and most likely the price of food, services etc would shoot up, so people would be no better off. There is also the issue of benefits or welfare as you Yanks call it. The problem is when the minimum wage is so low there is no incentive to work and people realise that working for a low wage makes you only marginally better off than being on the dole. So there needs to be a rise in the minimum wage to motivate them and show them that working does pay.
Being from a working class background, which incidentally I am not ashamed of, I am around people who work for minimum wage and have experienced it first hand when I have worked low wage jobs in the past, and I can honestly say that the minimum wage does need to be higher. Otherwise, people will just resort to living on benefits.
Most employers that pay minimum wage are not elite fat cats. They probably work one hundred plus hours a week, they are mortgaged up to their eyeballs and barely scraping by. As conservative as the Seoul brother is, he is right about rapid minimum wage increases. His alternative is not a bad idea either.
I never said small business owners are fat cats, I know they often struggle financially, but like I said people deserve to earn a fair wage so they can live comfortably, not scrape by.
I'm a socialist too and I agree. But, I feel sorry for all the m9m andpop micro businesses who can't afford to pay it.
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I've talked about this a lot.
I don't go into any McDonald's often, but when I do they always have a kiosk . Rapid increases in minimum wages for jobs that are disappearing anyway is foolish. The better option to help low wage workers like Scouse would be to take them off of federal and provincial tax collection roles. Workers and small business owners would have more money in their pockets.
Sellout boy supports big companies like McDonald's over people working in poverty. I'm really surprised. :001_rolleyes:
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Here's the problem, in the UK we have been flooded with Poles, there's literally more of them here than there is in Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with Polish people, it's not as though they are going round grooming young white girls or hanging around in gangs robbing and stabbing people like our homegrown n1ggers, which bizarrely you apparently like so much. No, they are for the most part here to work. However the problem is they have driven wages down in just about every line of work. Why would an employer pay £10 an hour when a Pole will do the job for minimum wage? That coupled with the fact that they are taking jobs which English people could have, resulting in unemployment, makes it more than obvious that mass immigration is ultimately detrimental to the quality of life for the working class.
Now as for the minimum wage, it is far too low and is nowhere near in line with the cost of living. £10 an hour would be a fair wage considering how expensive things are nowadays, but of course business owners and the elite fat cats would kick up a huge stink and most likely the price of food, services etc would shoot up, so people would be no better off. There is also the issue of benefits or welfare as you Yanks call it. The problem is when the minimum wage is so low there is no incentive to work and people realise that working for a low wage makes you only marginally better off than being on the dole. So there needs to be a rise in the minimum wage to motivate them and show them that working does pay.
Being from a working class background, which incidentally I am not ashamed of, I am around people who work for minimum wage and have experienced it first hand when I have worked low wage jobs in the past, and I can honestly say that the minimum wage does need to be higher. Otherwise, people will just resort to living on benefits.
Most employers that pay minimum wage are not elite fat cats. They probably work one hundred plus hours a week, they are mortgaged up to their eyeballs and barely scraping by. As conservative as the Seoul brother is, he is right about rapid minimum wage increases. His alternative is not a bad idea either.
I never said small business owners are fat cats, I know they often struggle financially, but like I said people deserve to earn a fair wage so they can live comfortably, not scrape by.
I'm a socialist too and I agree. But, I feel sorry for all the m9m andpop micro businesses who can't afford to pay it.
I'm not surprised. You drive trains. There's not a huge amount of skill in it. You need collectivism to keep your position.
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Here's the problem, in the UK we have been flooded with Poles, there's literally more of them here than there is in Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with Polish people, it's not as though they are going round grooming young white girls or hanging around in gangs robbing and stabbing people like our homegrown n1ggers, which bizarrely you apparently like so much. No, they are for the most part here to work. However the problem is they have driven wages down in just about every line of work. Why would an employer pay £10 an hour when a Pole will do the job for minimum wage? That coupled with the fact that they are taking jobs which English people could have, resulting in unemployment, makes it more than obvious that mass immigration is ultimately detrimental to the quality of life for the working class.
Now as for the minimum wage, it is far too low and is nowhere near in line with the cost of living. £10 an hour would be a fair wage considering how expensive things are nowadays, but of course business owners and the elite fat cats would kick up a huge stink and most likely the price of food, services etc would shoot up, so people would be no better off. There is also the issue of benefits or welfare as you Yanks call it. The problem is when the minimum wage is so low there is no incentive to work and people realise that working for a low wage makes you only marginally better off than being on the dole. So there needs to be a rise in the minimum wage to motivate them and show them that working does pay.
Being from a working class background, which incidentally I am not ashamed of, I am around people who work for minimum wage and have experienced it first hand when I have worked low wage jobs in the past, and I can honestly say that the minimum wage does need to be higher. Otherwise, people will just resort to living on benefits.
Most employers that pay minimum wage are not elite fat cats. They probably work one hundred plus hours a week, they are mortgaged up to their eyeballs and barely scraping by. As conservative as the Seoul brother is, he is right about rapid minimum wage increases. His alternative is not a bad idea either.
I never said small business owners are fat cats, I know they often struggle financially, but like I said people deserve to earn a fair wage so they can live comfortably, not scrape by.
I'm a socialist too and I agree. But, I feel sorry for all the m9m andpop micro businesses who can't afford to pay it.
I'm not surprised. You drive trains. There's not a huge amount of skill in it. You need collectivism to keep your position.
Listen Mr, you've tried this ignorant trolling shit before and it failed. You have as much chance of getting inside of a 4400 as you do of convincing anyone you don't have a penis. Now go sell some druga.
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Here's the problem, in the UK we have been flooded with Poles, there's literally more of them here than there is in Poland. Now, I don't have a problem with Polish people, it's not as though they are going round grooming young white girls or hanging around in gangs robbing and stabbing people like our homegrown n1ggers, which bizarrely you apparently like so much. No, they are for the most part here to work. However the problem is they have driven wages down in just about every line of work. Why would an employer pay £10 an hour when a Pole will do the job for minimum wage? That coupled with the fact that they are taking jobs which English people could have, resulting in unemployment, makes it more than obvious that mass immigration is ultimately detrimental to the quality of life for the working class.
Now as for the minimum wage, it is far too low and is nowhere near in line with the cost of living. £10 an hour would be a fair wage considering how expensive things are nowadays, but of course business owners and the elite fat cats would kick up a huge stink and most likely the price of food, services etc would shoot up, so people would be no better off. There is also the issue of benefits or welfare as you Yanks call it. The problem is when the minimum wage is so low there is no incentive to work and people realise that working for a low wage makes you only marginally better off than being on the dole. So there needs to be a rise in the minimum wage to motivate them and show them that working does pay.
Being from a working class background, which incidentally I am not ashamed of, I am around people who work for minimum wage and have experienced it first hand when I have worked low wage jobs in the past, and I can honestly say that the minimum wage does need to be higher. Otherwise, people will just resort to living on benefits.
Most employers that pay minimum wage are not elite fat cats. They probably work one hundred plus hours a week, they are mortgaged up to their eyeballs and barely scraping by. As conservative as the Seoul brother is, he is right about rapid minimum wage increases. His alternative is not a bad idea either.
I never said small business owners are fat cats, I know they often struggle financially, but like I said people deserve to earn a fair wage so they can live comfortably, not scrape by.
I'm a socialist too and I agree. But, I feel sorry for all the m9m andpop micro businesses who can't afford to pay it.
I'm not surprised. You drive trains. There's not a huge amount of skill in it. You need collectivism to keep your position.
Listen Mr, you've tried this ignorant trolling shit before and it failed. You have as much chance of getting inside of a 4400 as you do of convincing anyone you don't have a penis. Now go sell some druga.
I don't know what a '4400' is.
But like I mentioned to you awhile ago, I got behind the controls of a diesel freight train and was allowed to control it, with guidance from the two blokes onboard over my shoulder.
It was pretty basic. Slow down/speed up etc etc etc. I'm sure they were good at troubleshooting issues but we had none that trip.
Get over it. Your job isn't mentally taxing or physically demanding. You sit on your arse most of the time. It's a gravy gig.
You get over it. You don't even know what my occupation is let alone the equipment we use. It's nobody's fault, but your own that you are forced to sell drugs because you never took the time to get a real occupation.
You aren't a diesel or sparkie train driver? What other kinds are there? Do you drive a hobby coal train?
I think train drivers get around £15 an hour here, I'd certainly do the job, but it's hard getting your foot in the door.
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I've talked about this a lot.
I don't go into any McDonald's often, but when I do they always have a kiosk . Rapid increases in minimum wages for jobs that are disappearing anyway is foolish. The better option to help low wage workers like Scouse would be to take them off of federal and provincial tax collection roles. Workers and small business owners would have more money in their pockets.
Sellout boy supports big companies like McDonald's over people working in poverty. I'm really surprised. :001_rolleyes:
Seoul's a cuck beta male. He might have a high flying job in the city, but can he get it up for his missus? I think we all know the answer. ac_toofunny
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Commuter train drivers are not hog heads and that's where the confusion comes in. My job doesn't exist in Britain.
No idea what a hog head is, but working for British Rail is a decent job here in England. However even being offered employment collecting tickets on trains is hard to get due to the above average wages being offered and the amount of people applying.
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That's what confuses Total Dunce and Dinky Freud. Freight trains are real trains and commuter rail isn't. A conductor on commuter rail checks passenger tickets. Trains can be 15 thousand feet long and obviously have no passengers. Just a conductor who builds trains, sets out cars, sets brakes, calls signals, takes clearances, throws switches, references the sub timetable and deals with the RTC. The locomotive engineer is the only other person on monster trains. Commuter rail and. Trains are totally different kettles of fish.
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I'm not surprised. You drive trains. There's not a huge amount of skill in it. You need collectivism to keep your position.
Wrong. At the very least, locomotive engineer is a journeyman position. A more accurate comparison would be a pilot x number of hours are needed in the cab or in the case of a plane, a cockpit for certification. That doesn't include simulator training which locomotive engineers and pilots both need. Nor does it include required classroom hours.
We are talking about three mile long freight trains, not going back and forth on a little passenger service. A lot of math and physics involved. Plus a hell of a lot of responsibility.
This is a backgrounder on requirements to move from brakeman to locomotive engineer on class one freight railways in Canada.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-87-150/FullText.html
Well, Herman, I drove a freight train with none of that stuff. Doesn't make a qualified driver but also doesn't mean I can't remark how relatively simple a job it is and how weaksauce it is for unionists in that sector to pretend otherwise.
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You and TD keep thinking it's a driving job. It isn't. Passenger trains are, I'll give you that.
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You and TD keep thinking it's a driving job. It isn't. Passenger trains are, I'll give you that.
Sorry, Herman but it's mostly driving once things are running. Though I agree that sparkies do even less than freight train operators.
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You and TD keep thinking it's a driving job. It isn't. Passenger trains are, I'll give you that.
Sorry, Herman but it's mostly driving once things are running. Though I agree that sparkies do even less than freight train operators.
And pilots jobs are pretty easy too once they reach cruising altitude(if all goes well). But, it takes a shit load of hours in the seat of a plane or freight train to know how to deal with any changes that inevitably come along. Not to mention all the rules and regulations they must know. Neither are easy gigs. Both jobs are unionized and pay well because they both have so much responsibility and require so much knowledge.
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I'm not surprised. You drive trains. There's not a huge amount of skill in it. You need collectivism to keep your position.
Wrong. At the very least, locomotive engineer is a journeyman position. A more accurate comparison would be a pilot x number of hours are needed in the cab or in the case of a plane, a cockpit for certification. That doesn't include simulator training which locomotive engineers and pilots both need. Nor does it include required classroom hours.
This is a backgrounder on requirements to move from brakeman to locomotive engineer on class one freight railways in Canada.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-87-150/FullText.html
That seems obvious enough Herman.
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You and TD keep thinking it's a driving job. It isn't. Passenger trains are, I'll give you that.
Sorry, Herman but it's mostly driving once things are running. Though I agree that sparkies do even less than freight train operators.
And pilots jobs are pretty easy too once they reach cruising altitude(if all goes well). But, it takes a shit load of hours in the seat of a plane or freight train to know how to deal with any changes that inevitably come along. Not to mention all the rules and regulations they must know. Neither are easy gigs. Both jobs are unionized and pay well because they both have so much responsibility and require so much knowledge.
No, both jobs are unionized because they're far easier jobs than people realize and those in the jobs couldn't keep their easy and higher paying jobs without hiding behind union skirts and pretending they're 'engineers' when they're actually just glorified drivers.
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You and TD keep thinking it's a driving job. It isn't. Passenger trains are, I'll give you that.
Sorry, Herman but it's mostly driving once things are running. Though I agree that sparkies do even less than freight train operators.
And pilots jobs are pretty easy too once they reach cruising altitude(if all goes well). But, it takes a shit load of hours in the seat of a plane or freight train to know how to deal with any changes that inevitably come along. Not to mention all the rules and regulations they must know. Neither are easy gigs. Both jobs are unionized and pay well because they both have so much responsibility and require so much knowledge.
No, both jobs are unionized because they're far easier jobs than people realize and those in the jobs couldn't keep their easy and higher paying jobs without hiding behind union skirts and pretending they're 'engineers' when they're actually just glorified drivers.
I couldn't do either job and neither could you. It takes years of practice and annual in class time to do both of them.
I've done enough of freight train driving to understand what little is involved. Glorified truck drivers.
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You and TD keep thinking it's a driving job. It isn't. Passenger trains are, I'll give you that.
Sorry, Herman but it's mostly driving once things are running. Though I agree that sparkies do even less than freight train operators.
And pilots jobs are pretty easy too once they reach cruising altitude(if all goes well). But, it takes a shit load of hours in the seat of a plane or freight train to know how to deal with any changes that inevitably come along. Not to mention all the rules and regulations they must know. Neither are easy gigs. Both jobs are unionized and pay well because they both have so much responsibility and require so much knowledge.
No, both jobs are unionized because they're far easier jobs than people realize and those in the jobs couldn't keep their easy and higher paying jobs without hiding behind union skirts and pretending they're 'engineers' when they're actually just glorified drivers.
I couldn't do either job and neither could you. It takes years of practice and annual in class time to do both of them.
I remember a former poster here trying to say anyone could be an electrician like my husband..
Most of the time they are just splicing wires.
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Does your husband hide behind a union too?
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No, his shop is non union..
I would say half of electricians in this province are unionized..
Don't quote me on that figure though.
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No, his shop is non union..
I would say half of electricians in this province are unionized..
Don't quote me on that figure though.
Good for him. He's his own person.
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No, his shop is non union..
I would say half of electricians in this province are unionized..
Don't quote me on that figure though.
Good for him. He's his own person.
They offer similar pay, benefits and pension that union shops do.