Title: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 12:53:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 12:53:56 PM
It's become known as the Kokanee Grope.
Back in August 2000, the then 28-year-old Justin Trudeau was in Creston, B.C. at the annual Kokanee Summit musical festival to raise money for a backcountry shelter in honour of his younger brother Michel, who had died in an avalanche two years before.
According to the local paper, the Creston Valley Advance, Trudeau "inappropriately 'handled'" one of their reporters, a woman in her 20s.
The reporter, who few news outlets are naming out of respect for her privacy, wrote an editorial at the time asking, "Didn't he learn, through his vast experiences in public life, that groping a strange young woman isn't in the handbook of proper etiquette."
So far, this revelation, which surfaced about a month ago, has received very little mainstream media attention. It looked as if Trudeau might receive a Bill Clinton pass — an easy ride from liberal reporters willing to forgive behaviour they would have crucified anyone else for just because they didn't want to create trouble for a politician they admired and whose policies they largely agreed with.
At the height of Bill Clinton's sex scandals in the 1990s, TIME magazine White House correspondent Nina Burleigh famously said she would have happily given the U.S. president oral sex herself "just to thank him for keeping abortion legal."
Was Trudeau going to get the same preferential, biased treatment?
It's not too hard to imagine that had similar reports surfaced about Stephen Harper while he was in office, the journalistic pack in Ottawa would have jumped on them instantly and starting tearing flesh from bone.
However, this week the National Post had two front page items on the incident. And both the CBC and Maclean's magazine chimed in for the first time, too.
The story appears to be piercing the public's consciousness at last.
This is a very real problem for Trudeau because he has been so sanctimonious about punishing any male member of his caucus against whom even a whiff of harassment has been alleged.
Trudeau has pointedly bragged about being a feminist. His "Because it's 2015" reply, when asked why half his cabinet were women, was toasted by media around the world and became a popular slogan on T-shirts.
Gender and equity
This year's federal budget contained nearly 400 references to gender and equity. Trudeau devoted his speech to the World Economic Forum in Switzerland last winter to women's rights. His government has put the country's economy at risk by insisting any new free trade pact with the U.S. include gender-parity guarantees.
The Trudeau government has included a "gender assessment" requirement for approval of any future pipeline, and it is said to base its economic decisions on a consultant's report that claims the Canadian economy would expand by 10 per cent if women could be encouraged to participate in the workforce to the degree men do.
And, of course, since becoming leader, Trudeau has suspended, expelled or nudged four men from caucus — Massimo Pacetti, Scott Andrew, Darshan Kang and Hunter Tootoo — over allegations (not always proven) that they sexually harassed female staff or MPS.
Trudeau also accepted the resignation from cabinet of one of his ministers, Kent Hehr, for similar reasons.
Yet he won't even fess-up to his Kokanee behaviour, much less apologize.
Remember, too, that for all his self-righteousness about respecting women, Trudeau elbowed NDP MP Ruth-ellen Brosseau in the chest in 2016 while he was angrily trying to force MPS back into their seats in the House of Commons to vote on a reform of Parliamentary rules.
Should Trudeau resign? No. He should find another way to redress his actions.
But the overall lesson for voters should be that Prince Charming isn't so charming after all.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 01:11:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 01:11:13 PM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 01:15:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 01:15:04 PM
If Trudeau was innocent, he would deny this in the strongest of terms.Quote from: "Shen Li"
He did it, but he'll get the same pass from progs that muslims do.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Wazzzup on July 01, 2018, 01:45:29 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on July 01, 2018, 01:45:29 PM
YesIf Trudeau was innocent, he would deny this in the strongest of terms.Quote from: "Shen Li"
He did it, but he'll get the same pass from progs that muslims do.
And someday a conservative canadian leader will be accused of something similar, and he will be hounded over it relentlessly.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 05:28:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2018, 05:28:42 PM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: JOE on July 01, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
Post by: JOE on July 01, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
In fact, unless his accuser comes forward, identifies herself, gets an interview with a reputable news organization, delivers a detailed police report, and finally- testifies on a witness stand against the Prime Minister, as far as I'm concerned, it never happened. It's just another cloak and dagger attack on a public official.
Incidentally I don't side with Justin because of his party affiliation, just review the facts, that's all.
I get tired of these accusers never coming forward and yet the have the ability to derail and destroy a person's career. There needs to be greater oversight in the system, not a bunch of emotional self righteous whirlybirds dictating social mores to the rest of us.
I think it was extremely unfair that former Ontario Conservative leader Patrick Brown had to step down over unsubstantiated rumors. He was a perfectly legitimate person who could be the Premier of Ontario by now. Again, no one ever identified themselves over those alleged incidents, did they?
Just more cloak and dagger attacks which are steadily eroding the public's trust in unfair laws.
Justine is a hypocrite.Quote from: "Herman"
It's become known as the Kokanee Grope.
Back in August 2000, the then 28-year-old Justin Trudeau was in Creston, B.C. at the annual Kokanee Summit musical festival to raise money for a backcountry shelter in honour of his younger brother Michel, who had died in an avalanche two years before.
According to the local paper, the Creston Valley Advance, Trudeau "inappropriately 'handled'" one of their reporters, a woman in her 20s.
The reporter, who few news outlets are naming out of respect for her privacy, wrote an editorial at the time asking, "Didn't he learn, through his vast experiences in public life, that groping a strange young woman isn't in the handbook of proper etiquette."
So far, this revelation, which surfaced about a month ago, has received very little mainstream media attention. It looked as if Trudeau might receive a Bill Clinton pass — an easy ride from liberal reporters willing to forgive behaviour they would have crucified anyone else for just because they didn't want to create trouble for a politician they admired and whose policies they largely agreed with.
At the height of Bill Clinton's sex scandals in the 1990s, TIME magazine White House correspondent Nina Burleigh famously said she would have happily given the U.S. president oral sex herself "just to thank him for keeping abortion legal."
Was Trudeau going to get the same preferential, biased treatment?
It's not too hard to imagine that had similar reports surfaced about Stephen Harper while he was in office, the journalistic pack in Ottawa would have jumped on them instantly and starting tearing flesh from bone.
However, this week the National Post had two front page items on the incident. And both the CBC and Maclean's magazine chimed in for the first time, too.
The story appears to be piercing the public's consciousness at last.
This is a very real problem for Trudeau because he has been so sanctimonious about punishing any male member of his caucus against whom even a whiff of harassment has been alleged.
Trudeau has pointedly bragged about being a feminist. His "Because it's 2015" reply, when asked why half his cabinet were women, was toasted by media around the world and became a popular slogan on T-shirts.
Gender and equity
This year's federal budget contained nearly 400 references to gender and equity. Trudeau devoted his speech to the World Economic Forum in Switzerland last winter to women's rights. His government has put the country's economy at risk by insisting any new free trade pact with the U.S. include gender-parity guarantees.
The Trudeau government has included a "gender assessment" requirement for approval of any future pipeline, and it is said to base its economic decisions on a consultant's report that claims the Canadian economy would expand by 10 per cent if women could be encouraged to participate in the workforce to the degree men do.
And, of course, since becoming leader, Trudeau has suspended, expelled or nudged four men from caucus — Massimo Pacetti, Scott Andrew, Darshan Kang and Hunter Tootoo — over allegations (not always proven) that they sexually harassed female staff or MPS.
Trudeau also accepted the resignation from cabinet of one of his ministers, Kent Hehr, for similar reasons.
Yet he won't even fess-up to his Kokanee behaviour, much less apologize.
Remember, too, that for all his self-righteousness about respecting women, Trudeau elbowed NDP MP Ruth-ellen Brosseau in the chest in 2016 while he was angrily trying to force MPS back into their seats in the House of Commons to vote on a reform of Parliamentary rules.
Should Trudeau resign? No. He should find another way to redress his actions.
But the overall lesson for voters should be that Prince Charming isn't so charming after all.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 02, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 02, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
And whatever it was he did or did not do, the "interaction" apparently made her angry enough not only to tell her superiors, but to tell the world: it is understood she wrote the editorial that appeared some days later in the paper, protesting at Trudeau's alleged inappropriate "handling" and "groping" of her. It was that editorial, republished by Frank magazine in April, that brought the story to national attention.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 02, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 02, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Angry White Male on July 02, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on July 02, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: JOE on July 02, 2018, 06:57:21 PM
Post by: JOE on July 02, 2018, 06:57:21 PM
But, the prime minister hasn't really denied it..Quote from: "Fashionista"This isn't some bad dream that will pass if the prime minister ignores it long enough. The Creston Valley Advance is a real paper.The reporter is real;, but her name is known. she has chosen not to reveal her identity publiclyThe editor and publisher of the paper at the time are real. They have told the National Post that she confided in them about the alleged assault shortly after it happened, and that they believed her.
And whatever it was he did or did not do, the "interaction" apparently made her angry enough not only to tell her superiors, but to tell the world]https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-the-prime-minister-has-to-say-something-about-groping-accusation-and-yet-what-can-he-say
....and why not!? Why should the accuser have their name withheld in this instance? Is the Prime Minister a criminal? For that matter was Conservative Patrick Brown, who lost his job over hearsay and rumors?
To her I say, "Where's the Beef! Where the effing Beef?"
The other thing which is noticeable, is that the men who always get nailed for their indiscretions are either rich men or famous celebrities. Would these damsels in distress even bother launching a public complaint against a bunch of Construction workers making $20 an hour?
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Angry White Male on July 02, 2018, 07:11:38 PM
Post by: Angry White Male on July 02, 2018, 07:11:38 PM
To her I say, "Where's the Beef! Where the effing Beef?"Quote from: "JOE"
Amazon sells these shirts!
We should order them...
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2018, 04:13:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2018, 04:13:56 AM
But, the prime minister hasn't really denied it..Quote from: "Fashionista"This isn't some bad dream that will pass if the prime minister ignores it long enough. The Creston Valley Advance is a real paper.The reporter is real;, but her name is known. she has chosen not to reveal her identity publiclyThe editor and publisher of the paper at the time are real. They have told the National Post that she confided in them about the alleged assault shortly after it happened, and that they believed her.
And whatever it was he did or did not do, the "interaction" apparently made her angry enough not only to tell her superiors, but to tell the world]https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-the-prime-minister-has-to-say-something-about-groping-accusation-and-yet-what-can-he-say
....and why not!? Why should the accuser have their name withheld in this instance? Is the Prime Minister a criminal? For that matter was Conservative Patrick Brown, who lost his job over hearsay and rumors?
Because Justine is not following the rules he set. Take a look at the Seoul brother's post.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Wazzzup on July 03, 2018, 10:12:03 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on July 03, 2018, 10:12:03 AM
....and why not!? Why should the accuser have their name withheld in this instance? Is the Prime Minister a criminal? For that matter was Conservative Patrick Brown, who lost his job over hearsay and rumors?Quote from: "JOE"
To her I say, "Where's the Beef! Where the effing Beef?"
From SB's article
Its not JUST about the allegations. its also about what Herman said, Trudeau is not following the rules he applied to others.We must believe this woman. Trudeau has told us that must be the default position when such allegations come to light.
Former Liberal MPs Massimo Pacetti and Scott Andrews learned that lesson.
So did former Liberal cabinet ministers Hunter Tootoo and Kent Hehr.
New Democrats Christine Moore and Erin Weir learned as well.
This is not to place all these stories on the same plane, but the common thread is all paid a price (Moore is under investigation) because of an overdue intolerance for inappropriate behaviour.Trudeau set that tone...
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2018, 01:43:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2018, 01:43:25 PM
....and why not!? Why should the accuser have their name withheld in this instance? Is the Prime Minister a criminal? For that matter was Conservative Patrick Brown, who lost his job over hearsay and rumors?Quote from: "JOE"
To her I say, "Where's the Beef! Where the effing Beef?"
From SB's articleIts not JUST about the allegations. its also about what Herman said, Trudeau is not following the rules he applied to others.We must believe this woman. Trudeau has told us that must be the default position when such allegations come to light.
Former Liberal MPs Massimo Pacetti and Scott Andrews learned that lesson.
So did former Liberal cabinet ministers Hunter Tootoo and Kent Hehr.
New Democrats Christine Moore and Erin Weir learned as well.
This is not to place all these stories on the same plane, but the common thread is all paid a price (Moore is under investigation) because of an overdue intolerance for inappropriate behaviour.Trudeau set that tone...
This makes our prime minister look so hypocritical.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2018, 02:00:17 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2018, 02:00:17 AM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2018, 05:10:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2018, 05:10:49 PM
by Farzana Hassan
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's supposedly inclusive "peoplekind" feminism avoids the real issues that women deal with daily. His hypocrisy is clear. It reminds me of Hillary Clinton.Quote
"We will believe you," she promised all sexual complainants. Except that it didn't apply to the ones who had accused her husband of sexual misconduct in the past. If she thought they were lying, did she really believe no others were?
Trudeau's response to the groping allegation against him is a haze of contradiction. He is a vocal advocate of the worldwide #Metoo movement, which is not known for its doubt. But he ironically claims to be unsure if the incident he was accused of actually happened, or, if it did, why he would at the time apologize for it.
He hopes his philosophizing on how men and women experience emotions differently will influence the public's judgment of this event — if it happened, of course. It's a scattershot approach, a desperate attempt to treat all complainants as credible except this one.
But the hypocrisy does not stop here. Trudeau's flaky feminism also supports oppressive garbs like the burka. One of the first things he did in office was to scrap the requirement for women to show their faces in oath-taking ceremonies for Canadian citizenship.
His feminism only goes as far as his budget preference permits. He supports cuts for middle-income families that negatively impact women the most.
His feminism faltered when he impulsively elbowed NDP MP Ruth Ellen Brosseau right in the chest. A true feminist would never do such a thing even in anger.
He did at least show regret for that unpleasant physical encounter when he said, "I apologize for that unreservedly and I look for opportunities to make amends."
Perhaps it was safer to acknowledge a non-sexual offence. But he would be in better political shape today had he also unequivocally apologized for the alleged contact with the British Columbia journalist 18 years ago. His suggestion of a national conversation on how men and women perceive these incidents just looks like a ruse to hide the particular in the general.
Trudeau really has done little for women's causes. Let's not forget that misplaced inquiry on missing and murdered aboriginal women. Nothing concrete has come out of that failed study, riddled with internal squabbles and ineptitude.
Another of his acts of "feminism" was appointing Maryam Monsef, the refugee turned cabinet member, to head Status of Women. Monsef, of course, once tweeted how fascinated she was with Sharia law — a set of proscriptions that places undue restrictions on women and greatly limits their role in society.
Trudeau's evasion around this accusation is a terrible political blunder. He may now realize that a straightforward apology would have garnered more support, and that in the long run simplicity — even incriminating simplicity — always pays. Looking cornered and offering a series of contradictory remarks has obviously put an enormous dent in Trudeau's credibility as champion of women's rights.
Even Donald Trump, whom we have come to associate with a lot of lascivious conduct and foul comments, came out with a clearer apology when confronted about his "locker-room talk" when he said, "I was wrong and I apologize."
Goodbye, Mr. Trudeau. At the helm of Canadian politics we need someone who will be a clear and honest advocate for all our citizens.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2018, 10:43:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2018, 10:43:44 PM
TRUDEAU'S FLAKY FEMINISM PURE HYPOCRISYQuote from: "iron horse jockey"
by Farzana HassanPrime Minister Justin Trudeau's supposedly inclusive "peoplekind" feminism avoids the real issues that women deal with daily. His hypocrisy is clear. It reminds me of Hillary Clinton.Quote
"We will believe you," she promised all sexual complainants. Except that it didn't apply to the ones who had accused her husband of sexual misconduct in the past. If she thought they were lying, did she really believe no others were?
Trudeau's response to the groping allegation against him is a haze of contradiction. He is a vocal advocate of the worldwide #Metoo movement, which is not known for its doubt. But he ironically claims to be unsure if the incident he was accused of actually happened, or, if it did, why he would at the time apologize for it.
He hopes his philosophizing on how men and women experience emotions differently will influence the public's judgment of this event — if it happened, of course. It's a scattershot approach, a desperate attempt to treat all complainants as credible except this one.
But the hypocrisy does not stop here. Trudeau's flaky feminism also supports oppressive garbs like the burka. One of the first things he did in office was to scrap the requirement for women to show their faces in oath-taking ceremonies for Canadian citizenship.
His feminism only goes as far as his budget preference permits. He supports cuts for middle-income families that negatively impact women the most.
His feminism faltered when he impulsively elbowed NDP MP Ruth Ellen Brosseau right in the chest. A true feminist would never do such a thing even in anger.
He did at least show regret for that unpleasant physical encounter when he said, "I apologize for that unreservedly and I look for opportunities to make amends."
Perhaps it was safer to acknowledge a non-sexual offence. But he would be in better political shape today had he also unequivocally apologized for the alleged contact with the British Columbia journalist 18 years ago. His suggestion of a national conversation on how men and women perceive these incidents just looks like a ruse to hide the particular in the general.
Trudeau really has done little for women's causes. Let's not forget that misplaced inquiry on missing and murdered aboriginal women. Nothing concrete has come out of that failed study, riddled with internal squabbles and ineptitude.
Another of his acts of "feminism" was appointing Maryam Monsef, the refugee turned cabinet member, to head Status of Women. Monsef, of course, once tweeted how fascinated she was with Sharia law — a set of proscriptions that places undue restrictions on women and greatly limits their role in society.
Trudeau's evasion around this accusation is a terrible political blunder. He may now realize that a straightforward apology would have garnered more support, and that in the long run simplicity — even incriminating simplicity — always pays. Looking cornered and offering a series of contradictory remarks has obviously put an enormous dent in Trudeau's credibility as champion of women's rights.
Even Donald Trump, whom we have come to associate with a lot of lascivious conduct and foul comments, came out with a clearer apology when confronted about his "locker-room talk" when he said, "I was wrong and I apologize."
Goodbye, Mr. Trudeau. At the helm of Canadian politics we need someone who will be a clear and honest advocate for all our citizens.
Our prime minister's response to groping allegations do not meet the standards he himself set.
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Berry Sweet on July 13, 2018, 10:49:42 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on July 13, 2018, 10:49:42 PM
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Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Chuck Bronson on July 14, 2018, 02:25:22 AM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on July 14, 2018, 02:25:22 AM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Wazzzup on July 15, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on July 15, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
Trudeau was asked whether he intended to open an investigation into the issue, given his party's zero tolerance policy on sexual assault.
He did not respond to that question directly...
...and while trump got protested with marches full of pussy hats and endless calls of misogyny, what will liberal Trudeau get?
The answer-- he will get a pass, because he is a leftist
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on July 18, 2018, 08:55:29 AM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on July 18, 2018, 08:55:29 AM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
Post by: cc on July 18, 2018, 12:33:18 PM
Post by: cc on July 18, 2018, 12:33:18 PM
Title: Re: Justine Won't Fess Up Let Alone Apologize for the Kokanee Grope
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