Here we go again........gotta deal with it or else...
OTTAWA — The Harper government recognizes and has taken action to deal with the "fiscal burden" imposed by Canada's immigrants and refugees, but the government's sweeping reforms will only make a minor dent in newcomers' estimated $20 billion-a-year cost on society, according to a provocative report published Thursday.
Economist Herb Grubel of the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute argues that Ottawa should take more "radical" steps by phasing out the sponsorship of parents and grandparents, and by bringing in an employer-driven system to attract economic immigrants.
And the government should launch a public debate to determine whether Canada should be consistently bringing in roughly a quarter of a million newcomers a year, according to Mr. Grubel, a former caucus colleague of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's after they both became MPs under the Reform banner following the 1993 election.
"The current government recognized the existence of this fiscal problem and initiated a series of new policies to reduce it," Mr. Grubel noted in his report, which assesses Jason Kenney's reforms from 2008 until his shuffle out of the immigration portfolio last month.
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Postmedia filesThe federal government has brought in on average about 250,000 immigrants and refugees annually, and in 2013 is expecting between 240,000 and 265,000
The new policies on economic and family-class immigration, and especially a tougher approach to asylum-seekers, will have some success in reducing the so-called burden caused by immigrants who cost more in social services and general government expenses than they contribute in taxes.
But Mr. Grubel said Canadians should be allowed to debate the broader question of just how many new Canadians are needed in coming years.
The federal government has brought in on average about 250,000 immigrants and refugees annually, and in 2013 is expecting between 240,000 and 265,000.
"No explicit economic rationale exists in the economic literature or government documents to justify the current level of annual immigration. Nor are there explicit discussions of its cultural and social implications," according to Mr. Grubel.
A broad public policy debate involving politicians, academics and interest groups, whether it results in lower or higher immigrants, would at least ensure there is a "better informed and more rational Canadian immigration policy," he concluded.
Thanks for posting that article Mr. Obvious Li..
I always thought of immigrants paying their own way as my family did.
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OTTAWA — The Harper government recognizes and has taken action to deal with the "fiscal burden" imposed by Canada's immigrants and refugees, but the government's sweeping reforms will only make a minor dent in newcomers' estimated $20 billion-a-year cost on society, according to a provocative report published Thursday.
Economist Herb Grubel of the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute argues that Ottawa should take more "radical" steps by phasing out the sponsorship of parents and grandparents, and by bringing in an employer-driven system to attract economic immigrants.
And the government should launch a public debate to determine whether Canada should be consistently bringing in roughly a quarter of a million newcomers a year, according to Mr. Grubel, a former caucus colleague of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's after they both became MPs under the Reform banner following the 1993 election.
"The current government recognized the existence of this fiscal problem and initiated a series of new policies to reduce it," Mr. Grubel noted in his report, which assesses Jason Kenney's reforms from 2008 until his shuffle out of the immigration portfolio last month.
Postmedia files
Postmedia filesThe federal government has brought in on average about 250,000 immigrants and refugees annually, and in 2013 is expecting between 240,000 and 265,000
The new policies on economic and family-class immigration, and especially a tougher approach to asylum-seekers, will have some success in reducing the so-called burden caused by immigrants who cost more in social services and general government expenses than they contribute in taxes.
But Mr. Grubel said Canadians should be allowed to debate the broader question of just how many new Canadians are needed in coming years.
The federal government has brought in on average about 250,000 immigrants and refugees annually, and in 2013 is expecting between 240,000 and 265,000.
"No explicit economic rationale exists in the economic literature or government documents to justify the current level of annual immigration. Nor are there explicit discussions of its cultural and social implications," according to Mr. Grubel.
A broad public policy debate involving politicians, academics and interest groups, whether it results in lower or higher immigrants, would at least ensure there is a "better informed and more rational Canadian immigration policy," he concluded.
I totally agree with phasing out the sponsorship of parents and grandparents and bringing in an employer-driven system to attract economic immigrants. Sick old relatives are a burden.
The worst abuse occurs with refugees. This should NOT be a backdoor to immigration. Temporary asylum to people facing REAL persecution and then send them elsewhere. Most refugees are economic migrants IMO anyway. We are taking refugees from Europe ffs!! :x The EU is an economic basketcase for sure, but they do NOT persecute their citizens.
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We are dealing with it. Quite well.
It's not like immigrants and refugees have just started coming here recently and costing us money. Immigrants have made Canada one of the most wealthy and successful countries in the world. $20 billion is nothing. We spend money on health care, defence etc. We get the money we spend on immigrant services back many times fold. They keep the economy going.
Your family immigrated here and were provided with government services. Did they cost too much?
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We are dealing with it. Quite well.
It's not like immigrants and refugees have just started coming here recently and costing us money. Immigrants have made Canada one of the most wealthy and successful countries in the world. $20 billion is nothing. We spend money on health care, defence etc. We get the money we spend on immigrant services back many times fold. They keep the economy going.
Your family immigrated here and were provided with government services. Did they cost too much?
The problem isn't highly skilled immigrants like my parents that have contributed so much to Canada. It is family reunification and especially refugees that are an enormous burden on taxpayers.
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What a coincidence they just so happen to be your parents.
All immigrants and refugees are a net benefit to Canada. They've been coming here since before Canada became a nation and now we're one of the greatest countries in the world.
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What a coincidence they just so happen to be your parents.
All immigrants and refugees are a net benefit to Canada. They've been coming here since before
Really... Canada?
Rwah rwah rwah.
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What a coincidence they just so happen to be your parents.
Nope, family reunification and ESPECIALLY refugees are not really in our interests. Far too many refugees are just economic migrants that lack the skills to come here legally.
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We are dealing with it. Quite well.
It's not like immigrants and refugees have just started coming here recently and costing us money. Immigrants have made Canada one of the most wealthy and successful countries in the world. $20 billion is nothing. We spend money on health care, defence etc. We get the money we spend on immigrant services back many times fold. They keep the economy going.
Your family immigrated here and were provided with government services. Did they cost too much?
sorry homy...my family came here in the 1850's and brought everything with them (including cash) on the back of a wagon....they have been paying in one form or an other for others ever since.........look elsewhere
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What a coincidence they just so happen to be your parents.
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wholeheartedly agree but do not necessarily blame the health care and welfare scammers....it is our fucking govt., courts and snivel servants that let them get away with it.....any body will game the system if they are allowed...look at the natives
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We are dealing with it. Quite well.
It's not like immigrants and refugees have just started coming here recently and costing us money. Immigrants have made Canada one of the most wealthy and successful countries in the world. $20 billion is nothing. We spend money on health care, defence etc. We get the money we spend on immigrant services back many times fold. They keep the economy going.
Your family immigrated here and were provided with government services. Did they cost too much?
sorry homy...my family came here in the 1850's and brought everything with them (including cash) on the back of a wagon....they have been paying in one form or an other for others ever since.........look elsewhere
I think immigration if done right is an enormous boost to the economy. The exact opposite though for dishonest, uneducated Roma refugee claimants from Europe.
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What a coincidence they just so happen to be your parents.
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wholeheartedly agree but do not necessarily blame the health care and welfare scammers....it is our fucking govt., courts and snivel servants that let them get away with it.....any body will game the system if they are allowed...look at the natives
I know that handsome. The system encourages abuse, so we shouldn't act all surprised when that's exactly what happens.
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Maybe not in
We should be concentrating on skilled immigrants and immigrants who have lots of cash, but no human being is more worthy than any other.
Canadians deserve to be reunified with their families, and refugees deserve a chance at a decent life. Why not? These people become excellent, contributing citizens.
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Maybe not in your interests. I've heard the same kind of argument from people who think Canada should only allow whites and Europeans. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that Asian immigrants aren't in our interests.
We should be concentrating on skilled immigrants and immigrants who have lots of cash, but no human being is more worthy than any other.
Canadians deserve to be reunified with their families, and refugees deserve a chance at a decent life. Why not? These people become excellent, contributing citizens.
You are conflating issues here. Skin colour and national origin are not what we are talking about. We have successful from all nations.
Most refugees are scammers that cannot enter legally. Like OL said, you can't blame em as the system encourages "gaming". I am just saying we need to reconsider what is an overly generous refugee system that is a huge burden on this nation. Refugees are only in the interests of lawyers who make a living off taking advantage of the system.
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Maybe not in
We should be concentrating on skilled immigrants and immigrants who have lots of cash, but no human being is more worthy than any other.
Canadians deserve to be reunified with their families, and refugees deserve a chance at a decent life. Why not? These people become excellent, contributing citizens.
Go back to Belarus you stupid communist.
And you niggers are paying for it...
Merry christmas everyone.
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Most refugees are refugees. If they weren't they wouldn't be given refugee status. You don't even know what most of their situations are. You're just assuming.
Sets you back a few bucks but what the hell...
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Most refugees are refugees. If they weren't they wouldn't be given refugee status. You don't even know what most of their situations are. You're just assuming.
I´m still a congolese man.
Most refugees become productive and contributing citizens.
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Most refugees are refugees. If they weren't they wouldn't be given refugee status. You don't even know what most of their situations are. You're just assuming.
Yes, that's true and most Elvis impersonators are who they say they are or they would not be allowed to do what they do. :roll:
Hell, even our cowardly federal government recognizes Roma are bogus hence Bill C-31. Too little too late IMO. Fuck economic migrants taking advantage of a broken system that encourages abuse.
Bogus Roma refugees cost $500m
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2238345-bogus-roma-refugees-cost-500m/
Maybe Romero should pick up their tab. He thinks this is not being a burden.
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Bwah!
You would think that atleast we can get blowjobs for that money... But no!
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Most refugees are refugees. If they weren't they wouldn't be given refugee status. You don't even know what most of their situations are. You're just assuming.
Man, you are a moron.
Bottom line is that most refugees are economic migrants that couldn't get admitted through landed status. I say send the fuckers home and let try as immigrants.
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Romero, Canada is only 146 years old and has a population of 34 million....it has grown so much in the last 50 years! Canada is a great country, we have alot of benefits living here! But the sad thing you don't seem to realize is how many people around the world are trying their damn hardest to get into Canada to take advantage of the benefits Canada has to offer. For one, our medical is amazing! No wonder immigrants want their old and dying parents to come here....so they take advantage of the system and block it up. Working families with children need that service...not some old person who has never lived here, only to make waiting longer for the children and younger ones who will benefit.
It's true that some people do deserve to immigrate to Canada (but I don't agree with the refugee status anymore...people are now using that as an "excuse" to try bump it faster to get into our country. Not everyone deserves to come to Canada, and not everyone is of benefit to this country. If you honestly think that every single immigrant and refugee should be allowed here....YOU should be ok with all the existing citizens who are on welfare, in prison, etc. And yes, both immigrants and refugee status people fall into that catagory.
Look at how many articles you can read in the paper about "immigrants" and "refugees" who come to Canada, only to have commit serious crimes and hurt people. At some point, this just needs to stop and more precaustion needs to be taken place to secure our country and allow the
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Romero, Canada is only 146 years old and has a population of 34 million....it has grown so much in the last 50 years! Canada is a great country, we have alot of benefits living here! But the sad thing you don't seem to realize is how many people around the world are trying their damn hardest to get into Canada to take advantage of the benefits Canada has to offer. For one, our medical is amazing! No wonder immigrants want their old and dying parents to come here....so they take advantage of the system and block it up. Working families with children need that service...not some old person who has never lived here, only to make waiting longer for the children and younger ones who will benefit.
It's true that some people do deserve to immigrate to Canada (but I don't agree with the refugee status anymore...people are now using that as an "excuse" to try bump it faster to get into our country. Not everyone deserves to come to Canada, and not everyone is of benefit to this country. If you honestly think that every single immigrant and refugee should be allowed here....YOU should be ok with all the existing citizens who are on welfare, in prison, etc. And yes, both immigrants and refugee status people fall into that catagory.
Look at how many articles you can read in the paper about "immigrants" and "refugees" who come to Canada, only to have commit serious crimes and hurt people. At some point, this just needs to stop and more precaustion needs to be taken place to secure our country and allow the
what she said^^^^^.....plus a lot more...but i'm sure you can guess....allowing elderly immigrants with every disease and affliction known to man to arrive and completely clog up the health care system is criminal.....excessive welfare support to able bodied healthy male immigrants is criminal....the bureaucrats who allow it should be fired and jailed....at this point no one should be allowed to immigrate here unless they can prove an economic benefit to this country...and certainly NO muslims should even be considered entry, even as visitors
And how much did the new immigrants already paid to Canada many years ago.
Not only did the Crown in Right of Canada collect about $23 million ($300 million in 2013 dollars[11]) in face value from about 81,000 head tax payers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_tax_%28Canada%29
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Not only did the Crown in Right of Canada collect about $23 million ($300 million in 2013 dollars[11]) in face value from about 81,000 head tax payers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_tax_%28Canada%29
Are you still whining about ancient history you pathetic fucking homo?
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Romero, Canada is only 146 years old and has a population of 34 million....it has grown so much in the last 50 years! Canada is a great country, we have alot of benefits living here! But the sad thing you don't seem to realize is how many people around the world are trying their damn hardest to get into Canada to take advantage of the benefits Canada has to offer. For one, our medical is amazing! No wonder immigrants want their old and dying parents to come here....so they take advantage of the system and block it up. Working families with children need that service...not some old person who has never lived here, only to make waiting longer for the children and younger ones who will benefit.
It's true that some people do deserve to immigrate to Canada (but I don't agree with the refugee status anymore...people are now using that as an "excuse" to try bump it faster to get into our country. Not everyone deserves to come to Canada, and not everyone is of benefit to this country. If you honestly think that every single immigrant and refugee should be allowed here....YOU should be ok with all the existing citizens who are on welfare, in prison, etc. And yes, both immigrants and refugee status people fall into that catagory.
Look at how many articles you can read in the paper about "immigrants" and "refugees" who come to Canada, only to have commit serious crimes and hurt people. At some point, this just needs to stop and more precaustion needs to be taken place to secure our country and allow the
Spot on Berry. I totally agree with everything you said. The refugee system encourages abuse from people that could not get into Canada as landed immigrants.
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Not only did the Crown in Right of Canada collect about $23 million ($300 million in 2013 dollars[11]) in face value from about 81,000 head tax payers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_tax_%28Canada%29
You are a truly disloyal, anti-white crybaby slope. Go back to that Asian sewer of a country you crawled out of if Canada and white people are so mean to you. Nobody will miss you.
Canada should start deporting people that take more than they can give.
How much do you give? Zetsu?
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I don't understand your question?
Zetsy goes saying to deport people who can't give. I wonder what he is giving?
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I am sorry, but I still don't understand your question?
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Sorry Fashionista but I can't explain to you better. :-(
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Who are you?
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I am sorry, but I still don't understand your question?
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It means to deport immigrants/refugees whom have nothing to give.... Whom are just sponges.
Nations are not charities.
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Who are you?
I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
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Not only did the Crown in Right of Canada collect about $23 million ($300 million in 2013 dollars[11]) in face value from about 81,000 head tax payers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_tax_%28Canada%29
That head tax should be enough to pay for millions of Chinese people to come to Canada that would have come if there wasn't a headtax. Canada should be much more Chinese if there wasn't any head tax and Canada should allow a many million more Chinese into Canada to atone for Canada's racist history
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Who are you?
I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
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Who are you?
I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
Hello Mr. Zetsu..
:)
I like Chickenfeets avatar, not as much as Ms. Berry Sweet's, but it is still nice.
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Who are you?
I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
I don't know anyone that posts like Chickenfeets on VF?
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Who are you?
I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
On the VF I did registration but I am not writing. they would look funny at my english.
But to my question Zetsu.. how much do you give to not become deported Asian?
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Who are you?
I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
Iz usta eat uz thangz back when I wuz a po black boy in Arkansas!
Mutha of gawd, iz never neez az tough az I am wit out doz chickenfeetz!
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I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
Hello Mr. Zetsu..
:)
I like Chickenfeets avatar, not as much as Ms. Berry Sweet's, but it is still nice.
Hi there Fashionista 8-)
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I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
Hello Mr. Zetsu..
:)
I like Chickenfeets avatar, not as much as Ms. Berry Sweet's, but it is still nice.
Hi there Fashionista 8-)
Hey, where's my hi there? I thought we were pals. ;)
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I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
I don't know anyone that posts like Chickenfeets on VF?
I can't think of anyone like her either, but she does seems kinda familiar with the people on mmb.
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Hello Mr. Zetsu..
:)
I like Chickenfeets avatar, not as much as Ms. Berry Sweet's, but it is still nice.
Hi there Fashionista 8-)
Hey, where's my hi there? I thought we were pals. ;)
Lol I'm just slow at replying. : p
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Hi there Fashionista 8-)
Hey, where's my hi there? I thought we were pals. ;)
Lol I'm just slow at replying. : p
Good enough Buddy. You back in Canada yet?
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I am Chikenfeets.
Are you meaning to where I am from?
I mean your Vancouver mmb handle.
On the VF I did registration but I am not writing. they would look funny at my english.
But to my question Zetsu.. how much do you give to not become deported Asian?
My reported income in Canada is 40K a year, my point is people should never take more than they can give unless they're seriously disable.
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Hey, where's my hi there? I thought we were pals. ;)
Lol I'm just slow at replying. : p
Good enough Buddy. You back in Canada yet?
Lol just got back a few weeks ago, so glad I could drive again. :D
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Lol I'm just slow at replying. : p
Good enough Buddy. You back in Canada yet?
Lol just got back a few weeks ago, so glad I could drive again. :D
Ah, good to have you back. Just make sure your vehicle is running on superior imported Middle Eastern crude. That Alberta stuff is worse, just ask Naomi Klein. :lol:
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Good enough Buddy. You back in Canada yet?
Lol just got back a few weeks ago, so glad I could drive again. :D
Ah, good to have you back. Just make sure your vehicle is running on superior imported Middle Eastern crude. That Alberta stuff is worse, just ask Naomi Klein. :lol:
Lol Guess I have no choice. 8-)
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Lol just got back a few weeks ago, so glad I could drive again. :D
Ah, good to have you back. Just make sure your vehicle is running on superior imported Middle Eastern crude. That Alberta stuff is worse, just ask Naomi Klein. :lol:
Guess I have no choice. :)
Hi Zetsu, how are you tonight?
:)
Zetsu is debilitated.
Guess that makes him one debile dude.
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Guess that makes him one debile dude.
Mr. Zetsu is a respected long term poster..
You on the other hand are a rude, immature troll.
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Ah, good to have you back. Just make sure your vehicle is running on superior imported Middle Eastern crude. That Alberta stuff is worse, just ask Naomi Klein. :lol:
Guess I have no choice. :)
Hi Zetsu, how are you tonight?
:)
I'm doing good tonight. Just finished choosing the interior for my new house a few hours ago. 8-)
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You did the math on every single one? ... I'm impressed
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You must have counted?
I KNOW you would never just make something up
Gotta go with shen on the disgraceful "family" scam that has been blood sucking us for ages - Mind you, I guess if our govt is stupid enough to knowingly leave itself wide open to being scammed ....
You're an immigrant. Feel free to explain to me why I shouldn't have allowed you into my country.
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Do we accept refugees from Australia? We accept scam refugee claimants from EU countries, so why not Australia too? Hey, we Canadian taxpayers don't mind the the billions per year refugee scammers who couldn't make it into Canada as skilled immigrants cost us. :roll:
We do not accept scam refugee claimants. They are denied or deported.
You were a family member of immigrants when your parents came here. How much did you cost Canada before you entered the work force?
Romero, can I ask why you are in a rush to over populate Canada as quick as can be?
I'm not. I'm welcoming cc and Shen Li to my country.
I'm not into overpopulating. We're not doing that. Immigration has made Canada one of the greatest nations in the world, and a capitalist society requires fresh blood. We wouldn't have what we have without our new fellow Canadians.
Slowing immigration would be economic suicide and immigration makes us so culturally rich. Our levels are set at the proper amounts, and this is even with Conservatives setting them.
We're doing it right. Canada is awesome.
At one time Canadian immigration did work well. Now it does not, in fact has degenerated into self-destruction.
You can't excuse today's immigration self-destruct folly because way back (prolly before you, lol) it was done correctly
Note: Shen and I are not looking for your OK, blessing or approval. You are irrelevant .. just a useless wannabe do-gooder with a computer that dreams stuff up & fantasizes things to be
You should listen to Shen some times. She is far brighter and far more savvy and far more real world aware than you could even imagine being. She is real world. You are merely a crackpot "dreamer" yabbering made up bullshit and "wishes" on a computer ... merely someone who doesn't even have the smarts to listen to people who actually know things in the real world, and actually do things in the real world.
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You were a family member of immigrants when your parents came here. How much did you cost Canada before you entered the work force?
I think Shen Li was talking about the failures of the refugee system not immigration..
My parents are immigrants and they have concerns about the current refugee system..
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You can't excuse today's immigration self-destruct folly because way back (prolly before you, lol) it was done correctly
Ah, the old 'it worked when I immigrated here but now it doesn't' routine. I've heard it hundreds of times.
When it comes to you and your family, that's good immigration! But now that you're here, there's suddenly a problem with it. At least you don't want "those people" coming here anymore, even though you are one of those people.
As we well know, many people have argued against Asian immigration. I disagree.
I believe the main problem with Canada's policy is way too loose, how many more immigrants will Canada have to accept before they bleed our system dry? :|
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I have no opinion on Canada's current immigration policies because I have not looked into it..
I do know that most immigrants I meet are very well educated..
I am not sure about refugees though..
They are probably less sought after than immigrants..
Family reunification immigrants are probably less educated too.
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My parents are immigrants and they have concerns about the current refugee system..
Refugees are in the most of need. Our government has recently decided to resettle 1,300 Syrian refugees.
They deserve our help. Assisting refugees is just as much a Canadian value as our immigration policy. All of us have come here to enjoy the same liberties and basic human rights.
We have it lucky. In comparison, two million Syrian refugees have been taken in by a handful of its neighbouring countries.
What some mere "wisher" on a computer agrees or disagrees with about anything is moot in the real world
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You can't excuse today's immigration self-destruct folly because way back (prolly before you, lol) it was done correctly
Note: Shen and I are not looking for your OK, blessing or approval. You are irrelevant .. just a useless wannabe do-gooder with a computer that dreams stuff up & fantasizes things to be as you wish things to be with no concept of what is real in the world .. no more, no less than that
You should listen to Shen some times. She is far brighter and far more savvy and far more real world aware than you could even imagine being. She is real world. You are merely a crackpot "dreamer" yabbering made up bullshit and "wishes" on a computer ... merely someone who doesn't even have the smarts to listen to people who actually know things in the real world, and actually do things in the real world.[/i]
Ah, the old 'it worked when I immigrated here but now it doesn't' routine. I've heard it hundreds of times.
It worked well for the country until the early 80s. Took a nose drive with few significant restrictions until about 5 years ago when it started to get a bit smarter. It still has a ways to go.
Now go back to your computer and make up some more stuff out of your head like how many times you "heard that before" and how great our immigration was for 2 1/2 decades and wishing things are the way you would like them to be.
What some male misogyny & supremacist supporter thinks about anything is moot by definition
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Uh huh. Lemme guess - you got here before the early 80's?
You know where most new Canadians have come from since the early 80's? Asia.
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I have no opinion on Canada's current immigration policies because I have not looked into it..
I do know that most immigrants I meet are very well educated..
I am not sure about refugees though..
They are probably less sought after than immigrants..
Family reunification immigrants are probably less educated too.
I guess you had better luck than I did with immigrants, here in Toronto there's only more poor and uneducated people coming in day by day, once they get in they'll bring their parents and all their relatives with them. I've seen people that had tried to scam the system by claiming some fake chiropractor expense, while my brother had caught some Mongolian refugees stealing spark plugs at a store when he was still working as a security guard.
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My parents are immigrants and they have concerns about the current refugee system..
Refugees are in the most of need. Our government has recently decided to resettle 1,300 Syrian refugees.
They deserve our help. Assisting refugees is just as much a Canadian value as our immigration policy. All of us have come here to enjoy the same liberties and basic human rights.
We have it lucky. In comparison, two million Syrian refugees have been taken in by a handful of its neighbouring countries.
As my husband says, "be humane with genuine refugees, but do not tolerate fraud"..
He doesn't approve of Citizenship and Immigration allowing the asylum-seeker policy to become a second immigration door into Canada..
In our circle, it seems to be how the majority feels.
I think we're pretty strict with our refugees. Many say our new policies are inhumane.
There will be some fraud we must not tolerate, but this also happens within the general public.
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There will be some fraud we must not tolerate, but this also happens in the general public.
My husband and my parents think it is a back door to immigration that allows too many false refugee claimants to stay too long while their claims go through the legal process..
As I said, I have never looked into it, but I can see their point.
Good night Fash!! Sleep softly
To give credit where credit is due, the current federal government is actually doing something about bogus refugee claims and is saving Canadians money to boot. Kudos to Jason Kenney as this not only saves Canadians money, it discourages bogus refugee claims from countries within the EU or the USA.
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The Conservatives said last year
One of the biggest changes is the number of asylum seekers from Hungary, previously the No. 1 source of unfounded claims.
Hungary, the People's Republic of China, Croatia and Pakistan were the top sources of claims in 2012 but in 2013 the top four, by ranking, are China, Pakistan, Nigeria and Colombia.
Mr. Kenney's legislation, now law, gives the Immigration Minister the power to designate which countries are less likely to be a legitimate source of refugees.
Changes last year designated 27 countries of origin – including the United States, most European Union member countries and Croatia – as places from which claims would be fast-tracked. Ottawa added eight more countries to this list this month.
Refugee claimants from countries on this safe list – those that Canada considers democratic states with a solid human-rights record and an independent judiciary – now have much less time to fight to stay here.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/new-fast-track-rules-see-big-drop-in-refugee-asylum-claims/article8961268/