Remember when the media used to report the news as it happened instead of creating it.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-media-spin-on-danforth-shooting-is-troubling?video_autoplay=true
The world learned on Wednesday morning that the Islamic State took responsibility for the Danforth shooting that left two dead and 13 injured.
Canadians could be forgiven, however, for not knowing that the deranged Islamist death cult claimed to have had a hand in the Toronto massacre. Most Canadian media outlets decided to ignore the news altogether.
When I checked the news early on Wednesday morning, the story had been covered by U.K.-based Reuters, the Jerusalem Post in Israel, the South China Morning Post and the Toronto Sun. No other Canadian mentions.
When Canadian media outlets covered this revelation hours later, they added their own editorial spin. Global News posted a distorted article about why the ISIS claims shouldn't be taken seriously.
The article quoted two academics who basically say the exact same thing — ISIS is desperate and claims responsibility for everything these days — and didn't provide the other side of the story.
Rukmini Callimachi of the New York Times, by contrast, notes that the wording of the ISIS claim implies that the Toronto shooter was "self-radicalized" but adhering to ISIS calls for violence.
"The shooter is described as "a soldier of the Islamic State" and they say he responded to "the call" to target citizens of Coalition countries," she said on Twitter.
Reports from the Sun and CBS that quote police sources suggesting the shooter had an online interest in ISIS.
Other media outlets spun this story by quoting Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders, who said "we have no evidence to support these claims" — a vague statement likely referring to an ISIS-directed attack, rather than an ISIS-inspired one.
Saunders, however, went on to say "we will continue to explore every investigative avenue including those who knew Mr. Hussain, his online activity, and looking into his experiences with mental health."
In other words, Toronto police have not ruled out jihadist extremism as the motive, hence why Toronto police are reviewing "his online activity."
This is just the latest example of the Canadian media deliberately torquing this story.
On Monday, after the police released the name of the shooter, the CBC instantly released a statement it said came from the killer's family.
But as reported by the Sun's Anthony Furey, the statement was provided by a left-wing political activist known for creating "talking points and media advocacy" around the issue of Muslims in Canada. The polished statement read like a PR stunt — because it was.
Why didn't the CBC tell Canadians the truth — that the statement claiming the shooter had a long history of mental illness was provided by an activist with a political agenda?
This, in a nutshell, is why public trust in the media is at an all time low.
Journalists in this country are deliberately spinning the news. They have their own agenda and don't want Canadians to know the truth — in this case, that police are still probing whether or not the shooter was indeed motivated by his Islamic faith.
Instead, media outlets across the country downplay ties to terrorism, while frantically pushing an unverified claim about mental illness.
A cold-hearted thug walked through a Toronto neighbourhood and opened fire at innocent civilians enjoying a warm summer evening. He murdered a 10-year-old girl and an 18-year-old young woman. He deserves our scorn, not our sympathy.
And yet, Canadian media outlets are going out of their way to paint him as a victim. This is an insult to all Canadians, especially the victims of this heinous crime.
Meet the Islamo Spin Doctor Behind the Hussain Family Statement
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-meet-the-spin-doctor-behind-the-hussain-family-statement?video_autoplay=true
The man who has presented himself as the point of contact for the family of Faisal Hussain is a professional activist who has reportedly committed himself to "framing a new narrative of Muslims in Canada" and creating a "national political movement."
Shortly after the Ontario Special Investigations Unit revealed the identity of the Danforth shooter as 29-year-old Faisal Hussain, a news release was sent out to select media attributed to the "Hussain Family".
The polished statement began with the family's "deepest condolences to the families who are now suffering on account of our son's horrific actions." It then went on to explain that "our son had severe mental health challenges, struggling with psychosis and depression his entire life."
A statement allegedly from the family of Faisal Hussain
It was provided by Mohammed Hashim, a full-time organizer for the Toronto & York Region Labour Council. Social media accounts belonging to Hashim show him heavily involved in supporting NDP candidates both federally and provincially in Ontario. He's also described as a driving force behind the National Council of Canadian Muslims.
"His groundbreaking political advocacy, public relations and media work has been widely credited by insiders as framing a new narrative for Muslims in Canada," says a bio of Hashim connected to an appearance he made at CanRoots 2016, a left-wing activist conference.
The bio continues: "His workshop 'Progressive organizing in the Muslim communities' will demonstrate how the GTA Muslim community mobilized in the previous federal election, and laid the groundwork to start building a national political movement."
Another bio from the 2017 Muslim Awards of Excellence continues this description of Hashim as something of a spin doctor, noting that "his talking points and media advocacy are changing how Muslims are seen in the Canadian identity."
While there have been cases of high profile individuals hiring PR representatives for crisis management – such as Michael Bryant and Jian Ghomeshi – it's rare to see it happen with someone not already in the public eye.
The media-savvy Hashim has been featured in stories for a variety of his activities including in his capacity as president of the board for the Erin Mills Youth Centre and as a leader of the Muslim community group DawaNet.
Whatever His Motive, Hussain Served ISIS
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-whatever-his-motive-hussain-served-isis?video_autoplay=true
Whatever caused Faisal Hussain to go on his murderous rampage in the heart of Toronto on Sunday night, gunning down innocent civilians, he served the aims of ISIS by doing so.
I'm not saying he was a terrorist.
Toronto police chief Mark Saunders on Wednesday refuted a claim by ISIS in the wake of the attack that the 29-year-old Toronto man was one of its soldiers, saying there's no evidence to support that at this stage of the investigation.
The office of Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale concurred, saying, "At this time, there is no national security nexus to the shooter." Earlier, Goodale said Hussain wasn't on any federal watch lists.
ISIS frequently makes claims, following these sorts of attacks, that the perpetrator was a member of ISIS, without providing evidence.
What none of this addresses, of course, is the more complex and nuanced question of whether Hussain was inspired by ISIS's actions and rhetoric into doing exactly what ISIS has repeatedly said it wants its "soldiers" to do, murder innocent civilians with any weapon that's available — guns, knives, vans, trucks.
We don't know if that was a factor in Hussain's killing and wounding spree, either.
Just as we don't know whether the mental illness he was said to suffer from, according to a well-written and carefully-worded statement issued on behalf of his family by a professional activist, as revealed by the Sun's Anthony Furey, was a contributing factor.
That said, for the sake of not stigmatizing the mentally ill even more than we already do, let's note that the vast majority of people who are mentally ill are not violent and are far more likely to be victims of crime, not perpetrators.
In addition, it's possible for someone who is mentally vulnerable for any number of reasons, including but not confined to mental illness, to be susceptible to the entreaties of terrorists, whether through direct or indirect contact, such as social media sites.
Finally, aren't all terrorists mentally ill by definition, in a colloquial if not a diagnostic sense, given that no sane person walks down the street shooting, reloading and shooting again at innocent people?
But while we don't know what motivated Hussain at this point, we clearly do know his last act on earth served the aims and goals of ISIS.
That's why ISIS almost always claims responsibility for these attacks, regardless of the motives of the perpetrator, because such attacks are global recruiting posters for them.
What ISIS is doing, literally, is fishing for new recruits in the wake of every massacre, either for those inspired to join their global jihad, or for so-called "lone wolves" inspired by ISIS rhetoric to carry out murderous attacks on their own, with no formal affiliation to ISIS.
All ISIS needs is for a handful of the angry, or the aggrieved, or the disturbed, out of the tens of millions of people hearing their rallying cry after each atrocity, to respond, either directly or indirectly, for the operation to be a success.
We don't know, at this point, if Hussein was inspired by terrorists, or if there were other factors, or a combination of them. What we can say with certainty is that, whatever his motive, Hussain served the aims of global terrorism, because it gave the terrorists another opportunity to sow fear, confusion and division in Canada and globally.
And because the purpose of terrorism is to terrify.
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https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-media-spin-on-danforth-shooting-is-troubling?video_autoplay=true
The world learned on Wednesday morning that the Islamic State took responsibility for the Danforth shooting that left two dead and 13 injured.
Canadians could be forgiven, however, for not knowing that the deranged Islamist death cult claimed to have had a hand in the Toronto massacre. Most Canadian media outlets decided to ignore the news altogether.
When I checked the news early on Wednesday morning, the story had been covered by U.K.-based Reuters, the Jerusalem Post in Israel, the South China Morning Post and the Toronto Sun. No other Canadian mentions.
When Canadian media outlets covered this revelation hours later, they added their own editorial spin. Global News posted a distorted article about why the ISIS claims shouldn't be taken seriously.
The article quoted two academics who basically say the exact same thing — ISIS is desperate and claims responsibility for everything these days — and didn't provide the other side of the story.
Rukmini Callimachi of the New York Times, by contrast, notes that the wording of the ISIS claim implies that the Toronto shooter was "self-radicalized" but adhering to ISIS calls for violence.
"The shooter is described as "a soldier of the Islamic State" and they say he responded to "the call" to target citizens of Coalition countries," she said on Twitter.
Reports from the Sun and CBS that quote police sources suggesting the shooter had an online interest in ISIS.
Other media outlets spun this story by quoting Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders, who said "we have no evidence to support these claims" — a vague statement likely referring to an ISIS-directed attack, rather than an ISIS-inspired one.
Saunders, however, went on to say "we will continue to explore every investigative avenue including those who knew Mr. Hussain, his online activity, and looking into his experiences with mental health."
In other words, Toronto police have not ruled out jihadist extremism as the motive, hence why Toronto police are reviewing "his online activity."
This is just the latest example of the Canadian media deliberately torquing this story.
On Monday, after the police released the name of the shooter, the CBC instantly released a statement it said came from the killer's family.
But as reported by the Sun's Anthony Furey, the statement was provided by a left-wing political activist known for creating "talking points and media advocacy" around the issue of Muslims in Canada. The polished statement read like a PR stunt — because it was.
Why didn't the CBC tell Canadians the truth — that the statement claiming the shooter had a long history of mental illness was provided by an activist with a political agenda?
This, in a nutshell, is why public trust in the media is at an all time low.
Journalists in this country are deliberately spinning the news. They have their own agenda and don't want Canadians to know the truth — in this case, that police are still probing whether or not the shooter was indeed motivated by his Islamic faith.
Instead, media outlets across the country downplay ties to terrorism, while frantically pushing an unverified claim about mental illness.
A cold-hearted thug walked through a Toronto neighbourhood and opened fire at innocent civilians enjoying a warm summer evening. He murdered a 10-year-old girl and an 18-year-old young woman. He deserves our scorn, not our sympathy.
And yet, Canadian media outlets are going out of their way to paint him as a victim. This is an insult to all Canadians, especially the victims of this heinous crime.
I recall shortly after it happened, a name was released of the shooter..
It was an Anglo name and the shooter was reported to be from Peterborough, Ontario.
Same as everywhere.
Leftist media pushing an agenda with deception, lies and obstruction.
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Leftist media pushing an agenda with deception, lies and obstruction.
And releasing news without verifying facts..
Like the identity of the shooter.
Leftist media is at best subversive, at worst openly manipulative.
It promotes the Left's narrative often deceptively, disguising it's propaganda as "news", when its no more than advocacy journalism, or biased editorials.
I expect most media to put a leftist spin on things, but the real problem here is that the CBC is a
Same as our ABC.
A Bunch of Communists.
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It promotes the Left's narrative often deceptively, disguising it's propaganda as "news", when its no more than advocacy journalism, or biased editorials.
It's hard to argue that in this case Bricktop..
How the media has reported it and the reaction from our elected leaders is very different than other similar tragedies in this country.
Just some point of interest that main networks are avoiding like the plague
We hear the brother is in a long term coma. He is. Cause was overdose of heroin and cocaine
Also best friend of killer and brother was and still is under suspicion for having 33 illegal guns and many millions of dollars worth of drugs in the basement of a house he either owned or rented
I saw an interview with a cop who reviewed the videos along the street and he said "almost no one can change clips while running ... this guy changed 3 times on the run ... he had 7 very large clips on his person and used 3 1/2
He also mention the repeated shooting stance being exactly correct - he also said this guy was as good as it gets with guns
Sounds like the entire family were positive contributors to Canadian society! :laugh:
enrichers at the highest level .. now prolly decades of hospital for brother on the taxpayer tab
Screw our sick media .. also city admin - it must have been them who held off the ID until someone wrote a letter for the family to use ... then gave the story ONLY to CBC to put out ID simultaneously with the letter
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We hear the brother is in a long term coma. He is. Cause was overdose of heroin and cocaine
Also best friend of killer and brother was and still is under suspicion for having 33 illegal guns and many millions of dollars worth of drugs in the basement of a house he either owned or rented
He also mention the repeated shooting stance being exactly correct - he also said this guy was as good as it gets with guns
He was known to the police, but not for violent crimes was he?
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He also mention the repeated shooting stance being exactly correct - he also said this guy was as good as it gets with guns
First off, they're magazines, not clips.
And it's very easy to change out a magazine, even while running. If you can run and unscrew your Gatorade bottle and take a drink, you can run and change a magazine.
The term 'very large' handgun magazines doesn't really make much sense, as they are all around the same size physically when viewed at any distance. However, capacity can greatly vary depending on the gun and caliber. In Canada, handgun magazines are limited to 10 rounds each. However, he was thought to have used his brothers illegal handgun (most likely a US smuggle), and in this case magazine capacity could easily exceed 10 rounds, especially if gun was chambered in 9mm.
Also, if the guy was 'as good as it gets' with guns, I can assure you the death count would be much greater.
TL/DR: I doubt the cop who reviewed the videos was even a cop. And if he was, he's a dough head that should stick to traffic duty!
clips was my term, but thanks anyhow
and yes, they do come considerably larger on black market and these were .... and no, large "whatevers" are not easy to change on the fly
Dunno if you have tried it but shooting through windows is not efficient
but thanks anyhow ... your Ex Spurt opinion is always valued by myself
You can get slightly extended mags, but again these wouldn't really be noticeable at a distance.
What you posted was posted by someone that knows fuck all about handguns, or shooting in general.
I can give you the proper opinion. It's your choice whether or not to take it.
Cops had the mags within minutes of encountering him and described them from up close sighting ... they even said how many bullets remained in current mag
2 of the used ones were almost but not fully empty - clearly he knew enough to have a full one to take on a new location
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It was an Anglo name and the shooter was reported to be from Peterborough, Ontario.
True. Dunno how someone screwed that up so badly
Last I heard was that gun was registered to someone near Toronto ... I don't trust anything on this case
I wouldn't believe anything you hear about this case from any source, until the official facts are released, since the facts were already skewed from day one!
True that MAJOR games are have been at play from the gitgo on this case
Yup. I heard the handgun may have been his gang-banging brothers, and was a US smuggle. Of course, I cannot verify if this was an official police release... Probably was not.
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There has been a lot of talk about that around here.
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They have been taking their cue from an islamic apologist.
i want to know if he was one of trudeau's returning ISIS buddies That trudeau said would be a "powerful voice against radicalism"-
https://thebluecashew.net/global-supremacism-f20/trudeau-isis-fighters-returning-home-canada-can-extraordinarily-powerful-voice-for-preventing-radicalization-t8005.html?hilit=ISIS,%20trudeau
This article below Says Faisal Hussain went to Pakistan and Afghanistan.
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-was-danforth-attack-terror-or-terrorism?video_autoplay=true
Still haven't heard squat from Trudeau about this. Odd, since he was so quick to yell and scream about the Quebec Mosque shooting. lefties everywhere trying to hide the truth, hoping this all quickly goes away.
Strangely islam has become the West's sacred cow to protect
Ironic in fact. Someone needs to tell people that sacred cows are a Hindu thing .. and that Hindus have always been slaughter fodder for islam
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https://thebluecashew.net/global-supremacism-f20/trudeau-isis-fighters-returning-home-canada-can-extraordinarily-powerful-voice-for-preventing-radicalization-t8005.html?hilit=ISIS,%20trudeau
This article below Says Faisal Hussain went to Pakistan and Afghanistan.
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-was-danforth-attack-terror-or-terrorism?video_autoplay=true
Still haven't heard squat from Trudeau about this. Odd, since he was so quick to yell and scream about the Quebec Mosque shooting. lefties everywhere trying to hide the truth, hoping this all quickly goes away.
I didn't see this on either the CBC or Global.
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https://thebluecashew.net/global-supremacism-f20/trudeau-isis-fighters-returning-home-canada-can-extraordinarily-powerful-voice-for-preventing-radicalization-t8005.html?hilit=ISIS,%20trudeau
This article below Says Faisal Hussain went to Pakistan and Afghanistan.
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-was-danforth-attack-terror-or-terrorism?video_autoplay=true
Still haven't heard squat from Trudeau about this. Odd, since he was so quick to yell and scream about the Quebec Mosque shooting. lefties everywhere trying to hide the truth, hoping this all quickly goes away.
I didn't see this on either the CBC or Global.
And you probably won't either.
I saw on Global Calgary this morning that the gun used by Hussain was stolen from a store in Saskatchewan.
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What is reliably true in a meta sense though, is that they are magazines not clips (the distinction being a useful one) -- and being able to run and having two working hands are the only prerequisites for magazine changes on the run. In Renee's absence I'm happy to support you in this.
If a cop says "he's as good as it gets" I usually take that to mean "he's better trained than I am." Which of course is a different thing.
Whatever training a person does or doesn't have, Shooting people who are running sideways, from the shooters point of view, if they are at all far away, would be difficult to hit.
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What is reliably true in a meta sense though, is that they are magazines not clips (the distinction being a useful one) -- and being able to run and having two working hands are the only prerequisites for magazine changes on the run. In Renee's absence I'm happy to support you in this.
If a cop says "he's as good as it gets" I usually take that to mean "he's better trained than I am." Which of course is a different thing.
Speaking, as usual, from experience, trying to shoot when running is essentially impossible. Trying to shoot AFTER running is also very difficult. Trying to shoot, after running, under combat conditions demands exemplary skills only earned from many hours on a combat range. Even then, hitting a target that is either moving or shooting back over more than 20 metres is a compound of guesswork and fortune.
This is why you see US police officers firing at offenders by emptying their magazines by rapid firing and reloading. That is how they are trained. Anti-terrorist operatives, however, are trained differently, with the object of minimum rounds per kill. This is because having an empty firearm with multiple offenders is not a good idea.
Dilemma
Do i take the word of a lifetime cop who has spent 100s of hours being professionally taught and practicing shooting ... and at moving targets .. and in many different venue settings ... some targets mimicking shooting back ... not to mention prolly has had to pull a gun in real situations against real people who have or may have a gun in the real world of real criminal behavior
or do I take the word of 2 mad egotists, one a "political scientist" that I keep overestimating .. and one a lad who goes to the range once in a while to get his rocks off ... neither likely having ever faced anything more challenging than a local range target and possibly a defenseless animal in their entire lives?
Tough call
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Do i take the word of a lifetime cop who has spent 100s of hours being professionally taught and practicing shooting ... and at moving targets .. and in many different venue settings ... some targets mimicking shooting back ... not to mention prolly has had to pull a gun in real situations against real people who have or may have a gun in the real world of real criminal behavior
or do I take the word of 2 mad egotists, one a "political scientist" that I keep overestimating .. and one a lad who goes to the range once in a while to get his rocks off ... neither likely having ever faced anything more challenging than a local range target and possibly a defenseless animal in their entire lives?
Tough call
The second maybe.
:laugh:
Ya. I was leaning that way
It's a difficult call for me .. so your kind help is appreciated
I bet Mel was trained by ex SAS marksmen who could shoot flies from 100 metres whilst skipping rope.
Look you idiots... Shooting into crowded restaurants with seated guests hardly takes any skill. Managing to kill two of these seated guests while emptying out multiple magazines hardly qualifies anyone for anything. A fucking five year old could manage to do the same.
If you don't know fuck all about guns or shooting, please don't pretend you do. If that is something difficult to accomplish, at least don't pretend to know more than those posters that do.
I don't give a fuck what you think you know, or what dough head cop you think you know that said 'this and that.'
I doubt any of you have even held a semi-auto pistol, let alone fired one. Don't try to be fucking smart when you're not.
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As long as you and Bricktop don't attempt to explain Canadian handgun laws to me ever again, I can at least be happy with that.
Fucking morons.
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but thanks anyhow ... your Ex Spurt opinion is always valued by myself
Just stop while you're only a little behind here. Stick to your expertise on Islam, and don't try to be an expert on other things.
Oh, and by the way... Glass is usually made in a transparent form, which happens to mean that you can see through it, and bullets also happen to go through glass also, by the way.
Of course, your dough head 'cop' friend may be convinced that he must've taken some form of ultra tactical glass shooting course, since how else could those bullets have made it through it to those seated guests?
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:laugh:
Is this all you want to ad? Maybe you'd like to spout your knowledge about handgun operation, bullet ballistics, and the 'difficulty of shooting through glass' in this thread also?
May as well do it now, while I'm here to answer posts in a timely fashion.
I've gotta go get some Nitrile gloves for my work truck. I'd better not come back to any more stupidity in this thread. I don't want to keep having to explain to the Kindergarten class here how shooting randomly into restaurants at patrons requires no special tactical skills nor training, nor does releasing an empty magazine and inserting a loaded one in.
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:laugh:
May as well do it now, while I'm here to answer posts in a timely fashion.
Is that anything like add or are you peddling something.
My keyboard was acting up...
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:laugh:
May as well do it now, while I'm here to answer posts in a timely fashion.
Is that anything like add or are you peddling something.
:laugh:
Easily amused tonight, Fash?
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I agree, you're lame.
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I guess I've come to the right forum then...
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I agree, you're lame.
It's hard to be
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I don't give a fuck what you think you know, or what dough head cop you think you know that said 'this and that.'
Son, you need to step back.
You are out of your league when it comes to combat shooting.
WAY out of your league.
Although your point about shooting through glass is fairly accurate. The first bullet generally shatters plate glass and following rounds have a clear path to their targets.
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Son, you need to step back.
You are out of your league when it comes to combat shooting.
WAY out of your league.
Although your point about shooting through glass is fairly accurate. The first bullet generally shatters plate glass and following rounds have a clear path to their targets.
I don't need to step back.
You clowns need to step the fuck up and tell me what's so 'skilled' about a dude shooting his pistol into random restaurants, aiming at the seated guests.
You fucking tell me what's so special about doing this. Two lives were taken after going through multiple magazines. You tell me what's so fucking 'special and tactical' about this.
The next thing I know, you and CC will attempt to explain Canadian handgun laws to me! :laugh:
I did not say it was, or wasn't skilled.
All I am saying is that you know shit about combat shooting.
It comes down to this... CC, in her paranoid thinking patterns, has convinced herself that this shooter
I am simply here to disprove her theory, and factually put forth evidence that a five year old could have pulled off the same thing...
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The level of my shooting abilities are not at debate here, and hold no bearing on the discussion at hand. And besides, you have no clue what my abilities are.
True.
But I know this.
NO civilian would have had training in the tactics and firearms that I have had.
You included.
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You included.
In Canada and the US, it is not uncommon for competitive civilian handgun shooters to train to much higher levels than is required by law enforcement personnel.
I am not saying that I have, but I also want you to bear in mind that some do, and could easily out shoot you in any situation even with their strong eye blindfolded.
A good example of this is at one of the local ranges here... If you pass their own personal criminal record check, you can shoot alongside on and off duty police members in a separate range. This allows for real competition. They'll even bring in scrap vehicles and crap like that, for ultra tactical shit.
So yes, don't always underestimate the general public. Here, legal handgun owners generally take the sport at the very least with responsibility, and often times with a fierce competitive goal.
Realistically though, handguns are generally weak ballistically... Sure, even .357 Magnum rounds have some 'poop', but they really wouldn't be the choice of any shooter looking to inflict maximum damage.
People often don't understand this.
Any medium to high powered hunting rifle should really be of the greatest concern, for these are high velocity heavy rounds that can be fired with relatively high accuracy compared to a handgun, with muzzle energy being much higher... (let's assume 400 ft/lb for the handgun, and 3,000 ft/lb for the hunting rifle round).
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Do i take the word of a lifetime cop who has spent 100s of hours being professionally taught and practicing shooting ... and at moving targets .. and in many different venue settings ... some targets mimicking shooting back ... not to mention prolly has had to pull a gun in real situations against real people who have or may have a gun in the real world of real criminal behavior
or do I take the word of 2 mad egotists, one a "political scientist" that I keep overestimating .. and one a lad who goes to the range once in a while to get his rocks off ... neither likely having ever faced anything more challenging than a local range target and possibly a defenseless animal in their entire lives?
Tough call
There doesn't appear to be a single bit of actual dispute among the three, so maybe you could take the word of all of them instead of stirring the shit. Just shut off the coffee pot, lean back and rub one out. I'm sure you'll feel much better.
Afterward if you actually want info on my "shooting at live people" experience, just ask instead of guessing.
Wow. We sure set Mel off on a string of blabbers late into the night before mercifully passing out
Seems "Plays with Guns" has a powerful need for his "hobby-ism" to be seen as real world Ex Spurt Tease ... and will post as much as needed in efforts to convince us. Keep up the good work. It's entertaining to watch
Guns, narcissism, booze inter-meshed .. quite a combo
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Seems "Plays with Guns" has a powerful need for his "hobby-ism" to be seen as real world Ex Spurt Tease ... and will post as much as needed in efforts to convince us. Keep up the good work. It's entertaining to watch
Guns, narcissism, booze inter-meshed .. quite a combo
You forgot schizophrenia and incel.
He "claims" to be a vcel ... "voluntarily celibate" guy
A life expansion plus for me. I had never encountered one before
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I am simply here to disprove her theory, and factually put forth evidence that a five year old could have pulled off the same thing...
You have gone off trying to dispute what I didn't say. Clearly, an idiot with a gun and lots of ammo could
On that issue I merely said that there are claims from
But heh! Don't let facts deter from the needs of a rank amateur's ego to use imaginary ghosts as an excuse vehicle to promote himself and his imagined skills and knowledge
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So yes, don't always underestimate the general public. Here, legal handgun owners generally take the sport at the very least with responsibility, and often times with a fierce competitive goal.
As you have not undertaken a combat firearms course using weaponry and equipment only available to anti-terrorist units, nor would any of those cops, I'd suggest, then you do not know what you're talking about.
Shooting "alongside" target shooters, cops or not, does not develop skill in COMBAT, Mel. Those skills are developed under stressful situations, wearing combat armour, in a variety of environments with a variety of weapons and team tactics against multiple ARMED offenders.
Any "member of the public" would probably collapse under the armour after running 100 metres carrying a ballistic shield, assault weapon, side arm, radio and restraining equipment.
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Shooting "alongside" target shooters, cops or not, does not develop skill in COMBAT, Mel. Those skills are developed under stressful situations, wearing combat armour, in a variety of environments with a variety of weapons and team tactics against multiple ARMED offenders.
Any "member of the public" would probably collapse under the armour after running 100 metres carrying a ballistic shield, assault weapon, side arm, radio and restraining equipment.
Say. You mentioned the SAS recently. I had done a fair bit of reading on it a while ago.
What an outfit!! Trained to the ultimate and have pulled off some really great feats
You all know better.
Now, when are CC and Bricktop going to attempt to school me on handgun laws here again?
Even Fash backed up your asses, as she always does.
You all always know better than me, Mimi. Always...
Mimi's are always right. They are always correct. If you question them, you'll see what happens.
You are right, CC and Bricktop... I know nothing of the matter. I'm sorry I even commented on an issue such as this.
Be like Mimi, and rest well knowing that you've 'won the war.'
Idiots.
Where's Fash to come in and protect?
She should be along shortly...
Protect posters that know FUCK ALL about guns, and have NEVER EVEN ONCE handled a pistol, let alone fired one.
They know best! Mimi's KNOW best!
I'm gonna make a fucking video for you idiots, showing you just how a mag is dumped and reloaded, since you have NO FUCKING CLUE!
:roll:
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What's the narcissistic mental case braying about now. On second thought, who cares.
That's why I could find no words, only laff @ him as he turns every thread into a MELon / MElon
Look CC, you paranoid old Jewish hag... Stick to topics you know about, and avoid the ones you don't. You should know by now life is just easier this way for all involved.
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Mel is a predictable nutjob.