I only have basic cable, since I refuse to pay more simply just for more junk programming, but I do have CraveTV which I will occasionally watch.
Showtime has a newer documentary series called "Active Shooter: America Under Fire" that I have been watching through CraveTV.
The episodes are actually very well done. There are no paid actors, and there are no politics or propaganda... it is simply kept to the very basics of what happened. Most of the episode consists of dialogue by the first responders, as well as the victims and witnesses. The shooter is never glorified, but some episodes do give some insight into the shooters frame of mind by interviews with friends and family, as well as law enforcement personnel.
911 recordings, as well as cell phone vid footage and police vest and dash cam footage make ample appearance. Minor facts that wouldn't even be mentioned in the crap the media spits out are included here.
I don't think I've seen a better job done than this, in bringing one as 'up close and personal' to these tragedies as this series has. It manages to 'put a face' on all involved in a way that you just couldn't do with a printed article.
No, I don't think these shows do anything except encourage copycats.
There would be a certain sector that would love shows like this and want to star in one themselves.
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There would be a certain sector that would love shows like this a want to star in one themselves.
ac_umm
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There would be a certain sector that would love shows like this a want to star in one themselves.
ac_umm
Don't you like my comment?
The shooters love everything about the incidence... the chaos they cause especially. It's part of it.
Ivan Milat (Australia's Backpacker murderer) was caught laughing on the jail's phone when the Russians were firing on Muzzies in the Ukraine. The mass murderers and serial killers are a breed unto themselves and "normal" people can never fathom their characters.
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There would be a certain sector that would love shows like this a want to star in one themselves.
ac_umm
Don't you like my comment?
Absolutely caskur, it makes me think about what you wrote.
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The last sentence of the synopsis is rather telling;
"The results are powerful, eye-opening, and hopefully change-inducing."
Gee...someone else wants to see a change in firearms management.
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Showtime has a newer documentary series called "Active Shooter: America Under Fire" that I have been watching through CraveTV.
The episodes are actually very well done. There are no paid actors, and there are no politics or propaganda... it is simply kept to the very basics of what happened. Most of the episode consists of dialogue by the first responders, as well as the victims and witnesses. The shooter is never glorified, but some episodes do give some insight into the shooters frame of mind by interviews with friends and family, as well as law enforcement personnel.
911 recordings, as well as cell phone vid footage and police vest and dash cam footage make ample appearance. Minor facts that wouldn't even be mentioned in the crap the media spits out are included here.
I don't think I've seen a better job done than this, in bringing one as 'up close and personal' to these tragedies as this series has. It manages to 'put a face' on all involved in a way that you just couldn't do with a printed article.
I've seen it once. It's worth watching.
Not into first responder talk and shooting and victim families etc in general, but am interested in how wonky minds work.
While fictional, if one has interest in the vile minds of psychopaths, the Series "Mr Mercedes" is well done.
It's from the story written by Stephen Wolf
You say 911 communications, Mel .. . was that just a part of one episode ... and other episodes are about different psychos, or what??
Here's how Showtime itself describes the series .. .which I guess answers my questions Quote
One thing you can be damn sure of...Tv series are a rather poor source of understanding of "psychopaths".
In reality they are rather dull people, capable of astonishing evil.
true enough ... I would expect most are quite dull interacting with the public and when not thinking psycho
Some minds are capable of so much evil .. and little else
The first psycho I ran into had just butchered his wife, whom he loved and had been married to for many years.
It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
evil defined
And scarier than anything you will have ever experienced.
I believe that
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
Was he found not guilty by a court by reason of insanity?
Psychopaths and sociopaths I believe are people who do not feel remorse, empathy or guilt.
the person Brick described sounds psychotic. -most likely schizophrenic or bipolar
he is delusional and may not know the difference between right and wrong-Which is the McNaughton rule I remember from Criminal justice class (the American case that defined the line between criminal versus not guilty by reason of insanity)
Sorry if I am being too picky. ac_hithere
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There would be a certain sector that would love shows like this a want to star in one themselves.
ac_umm
Don't you like my comment?
Absolutely caskur, it makes me think about what you wrote.
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I had the same reaction (I think). I want people to have information and they deserve to have it. OTOH I don't want to encourage copycatting by giving bad guys attention and fame.
it's a dilemma ac_dunno
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the person Brick described sounds psychotic. -most likely schizophrenic or bipolar
he is delusional and may not know the difference between right and wrong-Which is the McNaughton rule I remember from Criminal justice class (the American case that defined the line between criminal versus not guilty by reason of insanity)
Sorry if I am being too picky. ac_hithere
Psychopaths lack empathy and remorse. Schizophrenics experience delusions. Sociopaths hate society as a generalisation.
The person I referred to above was schizophrenic and psychopathic. He heard voices, and showed no remorse afterwards.
We are not talking about some low rent trailer trash. This was a well heeled and successful businessman, in the days before mental illness was not well understood.
What was so disturbing is that he was calm, charming and the sort of person you'd have a beer with.
It was a valuable lesson in understanding how not to take people at face value.
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the person Brick described sounds psychotic. -most likely schizophrenic or bipolar
he is delusional and may not know the difference between right and wrong-Which is the McNaughton rule I remember from Criminal justice class (the American case that defined the line between criminal versus not guilty by reason of insanity)
Sorry if I am being too picky. ac_hithere
Psychopaths lack empathy and remorse. Schizophrenics experience delusions. Sociopaths hate society as a generalisation.
The person I referred to above was schizophrenic and psychopathic. He heard voices, and showed no remorse afterwards.
We are not talking about some low rent trailer trash. This was a well heeled and successful businessman, in the days before mental illness was not well understood.
What was so disturbing is that he was calm, charming and the sort of person you'd have a beer with.
It was a valuable lesson in understanding how not to take people at face value.
My brother is a policeman in a sparsely populated area and he still has to deal with these kinds of mental health problems regularly.
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
On the Aussies msn boards there was a former cop from Queensland... Montag or Morag or some shit was his handle... Anyway, he left the force because he got shot through the window of his car but didn't die due to the small book in his chest pocket that caught the bullet but he got PTSD because of the incident. He wife was in real estate and they were well off... The night before he murdered his wife (also a member of msn groups) he attacked me out of the blue. He actually kept posting on the boards for a good 2 yrs after he murdered his wife and until he was sentenced and jailed... It's always made me VERY weary of men on the internet.
THIS GUY VVVV which means if he isn't out YET he will be soon.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/ex-policeman-admits-killing-wife-of-30-years-after-argument/news-story/dab4c08042b1349c49baabc287947c2a?sv=33b7b2ccaa9bd444b5453a0b88ebff9b
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
On the Aussies msn boards there was a former cop from Queensland... Montag or Morag or some shit was his handle... Anyway, he left the force because he got shot through the window of his car but didn't die due to the small book in his chest pocket that caught the bullet but he got PTSD because of the incident. He wife was in real estate and they were well off... The night before he murdered his wife (also a member of msn groups) he attacked me out of the blue. He actually kept posting on the boards for a good 2 yrs after he murdered his wife and until he was sentenced and jailed... It's always made me VERY weary of men on the internet.
THIS GUY VVVV which means if he isn't out YET he will be soon.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/ex-policeman-admits-killing-wife-of-30-years-after-argument/news-story/dab4c08042b1349c49baabc287947c2a?sv=33b7b2ccaa9bd444b5453a0b88ebff9b
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My parents worked the Olson case up close and personal. Get over it. You want to do that job, you expect to see bad shit.
I would love to get into the exact 'details,' but I cannot...
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
On the Aussies msn boards there was a former cop from Queensland... Montag or Morag or some shit was his handle... Anyway, he left the force because he got shot through the window of his car but didn't die due to the small book in his chest pocket that caught the bullet but he got PTSD because of the incident. He wife was in real estate and they were well off... The night before he murdered his wife (also a member of msn groups) he attacked me out of the blue. He actually kept posting on the boards for a good 2 yrs after he murdered his wife and until he was sentenced and jailed... It's always made me VERY weary of men on the internet.
THIS GUY VVVV which means if he isn't out YET he will be soon.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/ex-policeman-admits-killing-wife-of-30-years-after-argument/news-story/dab4c08042b1349c49baabc287947c2a?sv=33b7b2ccaa9bd444b5453a0b88ebff9b
:shock:
Yep,... I was like freaked out for a few years over that one.
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
On the Aussies msn boards there was a former cop from Queensland... Montag or Morag or some shit was his handle... Anyway, he left the force because he got shot through the window of his car but didn't die due to the small book in his chest pocket that caught the bullet but he got PTSD because of the incident. He wife was in real estate and they were well off... The night before he murdered his wife (also a member of msn groups) he attacked me out of the blue. He actually kept posting on the boards for a good 2 yrs after he murdered his wife and until he was sentenced and jailed... It's always made me VERY weary of men on the internet.
THIS GUY VVVV which means if he isn't out YET he will be soon.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/ex-policeman-admits-killing-wife-of-30-years-after-argument/news-story/dab4c08042b1349c49baabc287947c2a?sv=33b7b2ccaa9bd444b5453a0b88ebff9b
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Yep,... I was like freaked out for a few years over that one.
How did you know this poster was the murderer?
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
On the Aussies msn boards there was a former cop from Queensland... Montag or Morag or some shit was his handle... Anyway, he left the force because he got shot through the window of his car but didn't die due to the small book in his chest pocket that caught the bullet but he got PTSD because of the incident. He wife was in real estate and they were well off... The night before he murdered his wife (also a member of msn groups) he attacked me out of the blue. He actually kept posting on the boards for a good 2 yrs after he murdered his wife and until he was sentenced and jailed... It's always made me VERY weary of men on the internet.
THIS GUY VVVV which means if he isn't out YET he will be soon.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/ex-policeman-admits-killing-wife-of-30-years-after-argument/news-story/dab4c08042b1349c49baabc287947c2a?sv=33b7b2ccaa9bd444b5453a0b88ebff9b
:shock:
Yep,... I was like freaked out for a few years over that one.
How did you know this poster was the murderer?
Montag (screen name) and his wife posted on an msn group run by "Jody"... Jody knew them personally in real life. So after he attacked me one night, he killed his wife straight after and turned himself into police but he wasn't jailed.... he was out on bail until the court case came up which was two years later... meanwhile, he still kept posting on the boards but they weren't msn boards, they were smf for free boards (msn closed down in 2009 and we all went to smf for free boards)... Jody has a pro-board now.
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
On the Aussies msn boards there was a former cop from Queensland... Montag or Morag or some shit was his handle... Anyway, he left the force because he got shot through the window of his car but didn't die due to the small book in his chest pocket that caught the bullet but he got PTSD because of the incident. He wife was in real estate and they were well off... The night before he murdered his wife (also a member of msn groups) he attacked me out of the blue. He actually kept posting on the boards for a good 2 yrs after he murdered his wife and until he was sentenced and jailed... It's always made me VERY weary of men on the internet.
THIS GUY VVVV which means if he isn't out YET he will be soon.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/ex-policeman-admits-killing-wife-of-30-years-after-argument/news-story/dab4c08042b1349c49baabc287947c2a?sv=33b7b2ccaa9bd444b5453a0b88ebff9b
:shock:
Yep,... I was like freaked out for a few years over that one.
How did you know this poster was the murderer?
Montag (screen name) and his wife posted on an msn group run by "Jody"... Jody knew them personally in real life. So after he attacked me one night, he killed his wife straight after and turned himself into police but he wasn't jailed.... he was out on bail until the court case came up which was two years later... meanwhile, he still kept posting on the boards but they weren't msn boards, they were smf for free boards (msn closed down in 2009 and we all went to smf for free boards)... Jody has a pro-board now.
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It was not a crime of passion, but of evil madness.
He could not understand what the fuss was all about, because he was commanded by the Devil himself to release his wife from his grasp.
He was proud and happy, jovial and relaxed.
THAT was pure evil.
On the Aussies msn boards there was a former cop from Queensland... Montag or Morag or some shit was his handle... Anyway, he left the force because he got shot through the window of his car but didn't die due to the small book in his chest pocket that caught the bullet but he got PTSD because of the incident. He wife was in real estate and they were well off... The night before he murdered his wife (also a member of msn groups) he attacked me out of the blue. He actually kept posting on the boards for a good 2 yrs after he murdered his wife and until he was sentenced and jailed... It's always made me VERY weary of men on the internet.
THIS GUY VVVV which means if he isn't out YET he will be soon.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/ex-policeman-admits-killing-wife-of-30-years-after-argument/news-story/dab4c08042b1349c49baabc287947c2a?sv=33b7b2ccaa9bd444b5453a0b88ebff9b
:shock:
Yep,... I was like freaked out for a few years over that one.
How did you know this poster was the murderer?
Montag (screen name) and his wife posted on an msn group run by "Jody"... Jody knew them personally in real life. So after he attacked me one night, he killed his wife straight after and turned himself into police but he wasn't jailed.... he was out on bail until the court case came up which was two years later... meanwhile, he still kept posting on the boards but they weren't msn boards, they were smf for free boards (msn closed down in 2009 and we all went to smf for free boards)... Jody has a pro-board now.
That is shocking caskur.
:shock:
I think I could recognize someone about to do something drastic now. Whether that be harm to themselves or others now but I try not to get close with people. I have my favourite reads and that's it.
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I used to post on Asian American forums with a lot of young men who had some pretty extreme thoughts..
To the best of my knowledge, none of them ever acted on those thoughts and feelings.
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You can't tell what people will do, especially if the only communication is via anonymous message boards. This has been shown time and time again, with more and more killers recently having been found to have been at least somewhat active on social media.
Hell, it's often hard to tell with someone that you know in person! People that do shit like this, often can manage to portray a 'normalized' version of themselves to even their wife and kids.
Look at the most notorious serial killers. Most were married, with kids even. Often even the wife had no fucking clue at all!
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You can't tell what people will do, especially if the only communication is via anonymous message boards. This has been shown time and time again, with more and more killers recently having been found to have been at least somewhat active on social media.
Hell, it's often hard to tell with someone that you know in person! People that do shit like this, often can manage to portray a 'normalized' version of themselves to even their wife and kids.
Look at the most notorious serial killers. Most were married, with kids even. Often even the wife had no fucking clue at all!
I think I can... trust me, I just know.
I don't think it's because I'm special. I just have a pretty good intuned intuition. I think most people have it but IGNORE it, or stomp it down. They don't listen to the signs.
I've stopped two suicides happening in the last 20 years...
Funnily enough, I scared one person out of their suicide attempt by saying, "what if you fail and end up a vegetable in a nursing home and then suffer being half alive for the next 20 years?"... and guess what? It worked. Imagine jumping over a cliff and surviving to live in a wheel chair for next 50 yrs. There is something WORSE than suicide... and that is surviving an attempt gone wrong.
Serial killers should be executed. No ifs or buts... Lights out, good riddance.
Our Claremont Serial Killer has been caught after more than 20 yrs.
He going on trial soon... He's the type Chuck Bronson is talking about.
VVV
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/bradley-edwards-pleads-not-guilty-to-claremont-serial-killings/10025836
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You can't tell what people will do, especially if the only communication is via anonymous message boards. This has been shown time and time again, with more and more killers recently having been found to have been at least somewhat active on social media.
Hell, it's often hard to tell with someone that you know in person! People that do shit like this, often can manage to portray a 'normalized' version of themselves to even their wife and kids.
Look at the most notorious serial killers.
Some were, some were not.
Serial killers can be married... Rosemary and Fred West (UK)
David and Catherine Birnie (Aus)
Myran Hindley and Ian Brady (UK)
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Agreed. If the evidence can show without a doubt that they are guilty of these horrendous crimes, they should be terminated. And NOT after 20 years of appeals.
I wasn't always in favour of the death penalty, but the more I've learned about some of the horrors they put their victims through, the final solution is only fitting for them in some of these cases.
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Agreed. If the evidence can show without a doubt that they are guilty of these horrendous crimes, they should be terminated. And NOT after 20 years of appeals.
I wasn't always in favour of the death penalty, but the more I've learned about some of the horrors they put their victims through, the final solution is only fitting for them in some of these cases.
Yes. After those kids were put in cellars, raped, starved and murdered in Europe you just KNOW there is no such thing a rehabilitation for sub-humans like that. Punishments should fit crimes. I always pay particular attention to sentencing. Globally it is very inconsistent.
In Australia in my state you can get away with murder. We have the worst sentencing for violnt crime anywhere I believe.
Oh well, I think murder rates rise when there is no real justice through courts. People take the law into their own hands. I think Sth Africans do just that.
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In Australia in my state you can get away with murder. We have the worst sentencing for violnt crime anywhere I believe.
I suspect Victoria has stolen THAT crown.
The cops there even have a "no arrest" policy that is a catastrophic failure.
The Greenough Family Massacre killer got 21 years for killing a mother, raping her dead body and killing her 3 children (15 yr old son, 7 and 5 year old girls). The public are not allowed to know what he did to their bodies...That's how bad it was. The cops on the scene said he deserved a death sentence only.
If that isn't one of the most diabolical sentences you've ever heard, I don't know what is. In the USA he would have gotten LIFE for each death and never been allowed out.... which, if you're going to abolish a death penalty, then, "life, never to be released" is the ONLY option.
He killed the family at the age of 22... which means that sicko serial killer could get out at the age of 43 still in his prime.
But that idiot in Norway that shoot 77 people only got 21 years Max, minimum 10. That is just batshit crazy. We live in a world that has no sense at all.
Strap yourself in...it's only going to get worse.
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I used to want to go gold prospecting for fun in WA outback but apparently there are 9 missing persons out there...
it sounds like there is someone robbing gold prospectors, stealing the gold and then dumping the bodies. It's just an intuitive feeling I have.
It's put me off doing the outback thing.
And the big reason why elderly are big targets for break-ins and assults is, the little shits are looking for drugs off the elderly.
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I used to want to go gold prospecting for fun in WA outback but apparently there are 9 missing persons out there...
it sounds like there is someone robbing gold prospectors, stealing the gold and then dumping the bodies. It's just an intuitive feeling I have.
It's put me off doing the outback thing.
And the big reason why elderly are big targets for break-ins and assults is, the little shits are looking for drugs off the elderly.
How does gold searching work in Australia?
In Canada you have to apply for a claim in an area I believe.
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If you're just panning, you just go pan. No claim necessary. Larger operations would stake a claim.
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I used to want to go gold prospecting for fun in WA outback but apparently there are 9 missing persons out there...
it sounds like there is someone robbing gold prospectors, stealing the gold and then dumping the bodies. It's just an intuitive feeling I have.
It's put me off doing the outback thing.
And the big reason why elderly are big targets for break-ins and assults is, the little shits are looking for drugs off the elderly.
Are you Aussies still even able to pack a bush gun with you when venturing into the outback? That would be good defense against some cracked out jib-head!
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I used to want to go gold prospecting for fun in WA outback but apparently there are 9 missing persons out there...
it sounds like there is someone robbing gold prospectors, stealing the gold and then dumping the bodies. It's just an intuitive feeling I have.
It's put me off doing the outback thing.
And the big reason why elderly are big targets for break-ins and assults is, the little shits are looking for drugs off the elderly.
Are you Aussies still even able to pack a bush gun with you when venturing into the outback? That would be good defense against some cracked out jib-head!
I don't know. I don't know our gun laws. Bricktop will tell you what they are.
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If you're just panning, you just go pan. No claim necessary. Larger operations would stake a claim.
Can you legally keep what you find if it's on crown land?
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Yup! People have been doing just that with pans in Canada for hundreds of years!
Now I'm talking about panning. Things might be different if you decide to bring in heavy machinery...
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Yup! People have been doing just that with pans in Canada for hundreds of years!
Now I'm talking about panning. Things might be different if you decide to bring in heavy machinery...
I am sure it would.
They law is all gold belongs to the crown actually...
it's probably that way in Canada too.
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it's probably that way in Canada too.
It's not that way in Canada. The gold here is yours, should you find any...
It's a theory. Gold doesn't have a value unless you sell it.
You cannot bury gold either like being buried with your wedding ring on for instance.
I think if your country still belongs to the Queen, I think you'll have the same laws as us regarding gold. When you buy land, you only own the top 6 inches of soil, underneath that belongs to the crown.
Bricktop was also under the assumption that our laws are similar to yours, simply because we are commonwealth nation. This couldn't be further from the truth.
If you find gold while panning, it is yours to keep. And of course you can bury gold here with a body. You can put whatever you want into the grave.
We're not as cucked as Australia (not yet anyhow), preferring instead to NOT have a million and one stupid rules and laws to govern over every aspect of our being!
Well they stopped people burying gold because people robbed graves... and they might tell you they buried the ring but that is just what they tell people, they do not actually allow it...
But here are your laws regarding gold and who it belongs to.... good luck deciphering the jargon.
https://www.westlawnextcanada.com/blog/insider/ced-an-overview-of-the-law-mines-and-minerals-ownership-829/
Grave robbery is a rare occurrence here, although it does happen occasionally in ghost town graveyards. That said, you are free to bury whatever you want with the body here!
And I know what our laws regarding gold panning are, since I used to pan occasionally for gold years ago. If you find gold, it is yours to keep. That's just how simple our laws are. I can't state it any more simply for you than that. This is assuming you use only pan and shovel.
The reason the laws are simple here regarding this, will become apparent to anyone that has actually panned for gold... You will NOT find huge assed nuggets! If you're lucky, all you'll find is a few very small flakes. And that's if you're lucky...
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And I know what our laws regarding gold panning are, since I used to pan occasionally for gold years ago. If you find gold, it is yours to keep. That's just how simple our laws are. I can't state it any more simply for you than that. This is assuming you use only pan and shovel.
Oh course you can keep it but if you read the link I provided, gold is still owned by the crown and silver too... VVVV Canadian article VVV
https://www.westlawnextcanada.com/blog/ ... rship-829/
Citing some obscure old law from the 1800's isn't relevant in this matter. If you find gold, it is yours. You can keep it. You can sell it. The 'Crown' will not come after you and your gold flakes. The Crown will not steal your gold flakes like a Pirate. They steal enough already through taxation!
There are two states in which land is owned in Australia; private, or Crown (that is, by default, the Government).
Both owners are entitled to any metals found on the land. Not so, minerals, strangely.
If gold is found by citizens on Crown land, the government usually lets the finder keep it if its a random discovery. However, if the gold is recovered by some form of mining, and the finder has no licence, the gold is forfeit.
Australians cannot carry guns unless they are licenced and the gun is registered. They cannot carry guns, even if they are licenced and registered, without a lawful purpose, typically "hunting". However, you are not allowed to hunt without a licence with the exception of primary producers.
Carrying a firearm in the bush for "defence" is not a lawful purpose, as it may be in Canada, because there are no land based predators capable of killing humans. Some might argue about dingos, which have been known to kill children, but they are still protected and cannot be hunted.
Koalas, kangaroos and wombats are not regarded as dangerous.
So, no. Generally speaking, you may not carry a firearm for the purpose of protection against wild animals.
You have to get a miners right in most states or territories of Australia to either pan or metal detect for gold. It's a small fee and lasts for near forever. There are however strict rules about where you prospect and how. I bought one a few years ago for my state and it was like 20 bucks aussie for ten years. Cheaper than a hunting or fishing licence.
And that's how you made your fortune, right, Ace?
So you could travel the world to "visit" female forum members.
Sleazy little prick.
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So you could travel the world to "visit" female forum members.
Sleazy little prick.
I'm a sleazy person because I generalized what the miner's rights are in Australia? :001_rolleyes:
We have no rules in place that really regulate panning, as long as you just use pan and shovel. Obviously you're to avoid private property, avoid an area that has been claimed, and ask the Injuns for permission before panning on their land... but that's just common sense anyhow.
Otherwise, just grab your pan and shovel and hit the creek! Long gun for defense is optional...
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Seems fair enough.
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As someone that has panned around here before, I can tell you that you'd be lucky to even find enough flakes that would cover the cost of fuel to drive to creek!
Most of the big nugs were mined long ago.
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So you could travel the world to "visit" female forum members.
Sleazy little prick.
I'm a sleazy person because I generalized what the miner's rights are in Australia? :001_rolleyes:
No.
You're a sleazy person because you talk crap and prey on forum females.
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As someone that has panned around here before, I can tell you that you'd be lucky to even find enough flakes that would cover the cost of fuel to drive to creek!
Most of the big nugs were mined long ago.
As is the case in Victoria. Used to be a big gold mining State back in the day, but not enough now to be bothered...and if there is, big mining companies have leased the area anyway.
There's certainly gold around...but as in your case, not enough to bother with.
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So you could travel the world to "visit" female forum members.
Sleazy little prick.
I'm a sleazy person because I generalized what the miner's rights are in Australia? :001_rolleyes:
No.
You're a sleazy person because you talk crap and prey on forum females.
:001_rolleyes: ac_boring
Look in a mirror.
No need.
I've not "visited" anyone in ANY forum. Ever.
It's really little more than just an excuse to get out into the bush for a while, especially if you have kids and want something to do to kill an afternoon or something...
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We haven't hunted for a number of years because of Australia's Big Government Police State rabid phobia about firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens but we still go camping quite regularly and teach the kids archery. They know how to shoot.
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As someone that has panned around here before, I can tell you that you'd be lucky to even find enough flakes that would cover the cost of fuel to drive to creek!
Most of the big nugs were mined long ago.
My state of Victoria still has plenty of gold and gemstones but it takes perseverance as a fossicker to find them by hand.
Fortunately, a 10 year miner's right cost virtually nothing and covers everything except a buried treasure (which the greedy State c*nts claim as their property, if you declare it) ac_smile
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Screw the State! Finders keepers...
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I can understand this from the Australian perspective. Canada permits this essentially due to bears, and that won't ever change! And we have all the bears in BC... From smaller Blacks to Grizzlies... Attacks are rare, but bears are not! The odd black has even wandered into downtown Vancouver... I don't know how the fuck they even manage to get there without being noticed, other than swimming across the Fraser at night!
Vancouver Island and Queen Charlotte Island is Grizzly free historically, but those fuckers have swam across the Pacific to get there! They are quickly removed when found.
They aren't an issue, generally. Most bears (other than Polar Bears, which have no natural fear of anything) have a fear of humans, and will not want anything to do with you. This is how it should be.
Nonetheless, there are times when bears can become desperate, or when they become too accustomed to humans, that they can become a problem. And don't even think about wandering around if you see a lone cub...
They generally don't want anything to do with people, but if they do for whatever reason, you're as good as fucked. If you live, you'll most likely have life-changing injuries...
There's also Cougars here, even in Metro Van... Very rare in the city, but I have seen one with my own eyes at night chasing a Raccoon!
While Cougars aren't a huge threat to adults, they've been known to be attracted to little kids, with their small stature and shrill, high pitched voices! :laugh:
Most of our neighbours have shotguns and have had to kill snakes to stop their dogs from getting bit. A cornered snake and an enthusiastic pup isn't generally a great outcome, especially in summer.
Light birdshot loads should be perfect for that type of pest control!
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Ideally with a cylinder choke but you use what you have and get up closer if you must. And two quick rounds just in case you nick it and it thinks you're less dangerous than the dog.
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Snakes are tough. Need a heavier load than birdshot to be sure.
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Snakes are tough. Need a heavier load than birdshot to be sure.
Or multiple rounds with safe shots when the dog and snake are hyper triggered, which is precarious.
Perhaps. I've only ever used military rounds in a pump action.
One round suffices as a rule.
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One round suffices as a rule.
Pump, semi, or double, the problem with snakes as well as dogs in that scenario is that the snakes are lightning quick lunging and dogs are prone to going in for the kill when their instincts say so, and dogs don't get bred for bush smarts these days bar pig dogs and pit fighters.
It's not likely that buckshot will always stop a snake or even birdshot. They're too quick and have a lower profile. It's a roll of the dice. That's why two shots of whatever you have in short burst gets the job done and saves the pet, unless the pet lunges on the second. It's a calculated risk, so I'm told. Nobody wants to kill anything in that scenario, snake included. They just want both to keep living.
The best action still remains; grab the mutt if you can and GTFO.
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Snakes are tough. Need a heavier load than birdshot to be sure.
I have never shot a reptile, so I wouldn't know.
Not an easy thing to do. A samurai sword would be a better option if you happen to have one handy.
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Every woman in Australia carries one in her purse.
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Ya, and not just for horizontal snakes ac_biggrin
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They can be the most lethal kind.
LADIES!!!
Please... ac_blush
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Please... ac_blush
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