Title: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:24:23 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:24:23 PM
Sources say at least eleven people have been shot and four are dead after a shooting at the Jacksonville Landing Sunday afternoon.
About 1 minute mark - immediately upon kickoff after TD and convert
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:29:32 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:29:32 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
Update: Suspect DeadQuote from: "cc"
Is their any known or suspected motive?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Odinson on August 26, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
Post by: Odinson on August 26, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
What a pity..
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:46:43 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:46:43 PM
Nothing on motive yet
Below claims to be surveillance video of it
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
I think this is at a bar - Something about Madden tournament .. video game or something at the bar? which would account for shots being so load from supposedly the broadcast officeQuote from: "cc"
Nothing on motive yet
Below claims to be surveillance video of ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj9X9CSJ_LA
It was a live gaming tournament it seems.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Odinson on August 26, 2018, 04:05:06 PM
Post by: Odinson on August 26, 2018, 04:05:06 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 04:41:51 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 04:41:51 PM
I had no idea that gamers had gone to this level of mass gaming - NOT a good thing I think ... some games are ok and can be even good for legitimate kids .. but this is a wakeup call for me
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 04:45:29 PM
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 04:45:29 PM
Latest "report" (not verified) was that he was a gamer who lostQuote from: "cc"
I had no idea that gamers had gone to this level of mass gaming - NOT a good thing I think ... games are ok for legitimate kids .. but .....................
Kind of like a homicidal scene reversal for The Last Boyscout.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 04:47:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 04:47:56 PM
Latest "report" (not verified) was that he was a gamer who lostQuote from: "cc"
I had no idea that gamers had gone to this level of mass gaming - NOT a good thing I think ... some games are ok and can be even good for legitimate kids .. but this is a wakeup call for me
Unreal.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 04:49:03 PM
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 04:49:03 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 04:57:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 04:57:49 PM
Latest "report" (not verified) was that he was a gamer who lostQuote from: "cc"
I had no idea that gamers had gone to this level of mass gaming - NOT a good thing I think ... some games are ok and can be even good for legitimate kids .. but this is a wakeup call for me
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
This is why I hate esports and can't stand the lack of mutual respect for each other, just sick and tiring of seeing this kind of stuff, ppl these days are so full of shit.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 05:57:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 05:57:53 PM
Sadly more keyboard warriors can't accept a simple lost/defeat or couldn't get even with others without using a gun like the spineless piece of shit they are.Quote from: "Zetsu"
This is why I hate esports and can't stand the lack of mutual respect for each other, just sick and tiring of seeing this kind of stuff, ppl these days are so full of shit.
I thought you were a hardcore gamer Zetsu?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:13:31 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:13:31 PM
The blood of innocent people slaughtered by firearms is on the hands of ALL those who worship and revere devices that exist to kill, and support the industry of death by giving their money to the manufacturers of these machines.
Well done, boys and girls.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:15:07 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:15:07 PM
Sadly more keyboard warriors can't accept a simple lost/defeat or couldn't get even with others without using a gun like the spineless piece of shit they are.Quote from: "Zetsu"
This is why I hate esports and can't stand the lack of mutual respect for each other, just sick and tiring of seeing this kind of stuff, ppl these days are so full of shit.
I thought you were a hardcore gamer Zetsu?
A few years ago I was seriously hooked to games like StarCraft or Counter Strike, sometimes I pretend to be a girl and make everyone insecure when they keep losing to me, lol; But think I'm only 2nd to SCOUSE being the number 1 gaming geek here in TBC, lol.
Gaming is fun, but the sad fact is there're still too many losers and one I know that is seriously delusional and love to BS out of his anus how he's the best and this, but when he lost to one of my friend(a starcraft II diamond league player, simply highest tier) he started sending him stupid death threats messages saying he'll find and kill him, which kinda shook my friend a bit, but yea there's just some ppl that are too thin skinned to be allowed to play competitive games, or is better for them to go through counselling first.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
Hypocrite!Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Lol lame.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 06:16:44 PM
Post by: Frood on August 26, 2018, 06:16:44 PM
Hypocrite!Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Lame, lol.
Cowards
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:18:04 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:18:04 PM
But think I'm only 2nd to SCOUSE being the number 1 gaming geek here in TBC, lol.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Scuse me???
SCOUSE is a Liverpudlian. He is probably still delving into the mystifying depths of Tetris.
You want the number 1? That would be me.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:19:57 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:19:57 PM
Hypocrite!Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Lame, lol.
Cowards
Lol who's the pussy here that's not out patrolling the streets yet still want a gun?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 06:22:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 06:22:28 PM
A few years ago I was seriously hooked to games like StarCraft or Counter Strike.
Ah, gotcha. You beat your addiction.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:26:17 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:26:17 PM
But think I'm only 2nd to SCOUSE being the number 1 gaming geek here in TBC, lol.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Scuse me???
SCOUSE is a Liverpudlian. He is probably still delving into the mystifying depths of Tetris.
You want the number 1? That would be me.
But but but Scouse has a $5000+ USD gaming laptop, I mean no one here can get any more geek than that.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 06:26:33 PM
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 06:26:33 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:27:41 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:27:41 PM
Didn't realise you were around...
How's the weather?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:29:54 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:29:54 PM
A few years ago I was seriously hooked to games like StarCraft or Counter Strike.
Ah, gotcha. You beat your addiction.
lol I wish that was teh case, but turns out I gamed so much I happened to lost interested in StarCraft or FPS and decided to do something else.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
But think I'm only 2nd to SCOUSE being the number 1 gaming geek here in TBC, lol.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Scuse me???
SCOUSE is a Liverpudlian. He is probably still delving into the mystifying depths of Tetris.
You want the number 1? That would be me.
But but but Scouse has a $5000+ USD gaming laptop, I mean no one here can get any more geek than that.ac_razz I bet the guy haven't even seen the sun for days, maybe that's what drives his Nazi obsession due to his super White skin, duno lol.
I'm getting prepared for the inevitably nasty UK winter approaching, so sue me.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 06:35:28 PM
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 06:35:28 PM
Oh...er....hi Scouse.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Didn't realise you were around...
How's the weather?
Sound, it's been a quality summer actually, one of the best.... but to be honest I'll be happy for the colder months to return, because as you know us Brits aren't exactly partial to these tropical conditions.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:36:44 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 06:36:44 PM
But think I'm only 2nd to SCOUSE being the number 1 gaming geek here in TBC, lol.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Scuse me???
SCOUSE is a Liverpudlian. He is probably still delving into the mystifying depths of Tetris.
You want the number 1? That would be me.
But but but Scouse has a $5000+ USD gaming laptop, I mean no one here can get any more geek than that.ac_razz I bet the guy haven't even seen the sun for days, maybe that's what drives his Nazi obsession due to his super White skin, duno lol.
I'm getting prepared for the inevitably nasty UK winter approaching, so sue me.:laugh3:
Lmao, still a bit too early but I can't blame you bro.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:57:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 06:57:13 PM
Oh...er....hi Scouse.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Didn't realise you were around...
How's the weather?
Sound, it's been a quality summer actually, one of the best.... but to be honest I'll be happy for the colder months to return, because as you know us Brits aren't exactly partial to these tropical conditions.ac_biggrin
I had a bit of a larf in June. Everyone was melting in the "heat". We were enjoying the lovely spring weather.
I think Brits could cope with "heat" a bit more if they installed ceiling fans, and opened a few windows.
I don't know how many pubs we walked in, then immediately out of, due to overpowering smell of sweat in a crowded bar with NO ventilation whatsoever.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 07:06:17 PM
Post by: Aryan on August 26, 2018, 07:06:17 PM
Oh...er....hi Scouse.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Didn't realise you were around...
How's the weather?
Sound, it's been a quality summer actually, one of the best.... but to be honest I'll be happy for the colder months to return, because as you know us Brits aren't exactly partial to these tropical conditions.ac_biggrin
I had a bit of a larf in June. Everyone was melting in the "heat". We were enjoying the lovely spring weather.
I think Brits could cope with "heat" a bit more if they installed ceiling fans, and opened a few windows.
I don't know how many pubs we walked in, then immediately out of, due to overpowering smell of sweat in a crowded bar with NO ventilation whatsoever.
I can imagine, perhaps you should save the sandals and socks look for colder temperatures?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
The salesman at Selfridges said I looked "charmingly Australian".
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 08:23:05 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 08:23:05 PM
Update - Seems 2 victims + shooter dead as of now
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 08:25:03 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 26, 2018, 08:25:03 PM
Or, if we follow the logic of the gun nuts...it was the victims' fault for NOT having guns.
That country is seriously messed up.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
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Update - Seems 2 victims + shooter dead as of now
terrible
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 09:28:00 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 09:28:00 PM
it was the victims' fault for NOT having gunsQuote
Wherever did you get that from?
Edit - Cancel that question - We know your position, it has no objectivity, you repeat it constantly and you never let a good tragedy go to waste
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 09:43:52 PM
Post by: cc on August 26, 2018, 09:43:52 PM
Also, He also did himself in today ... he was not shot by cop or by anyone else
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 10:13:08 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 26, 2018, 10:13:08 PM
But America does not need gun control.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Or, if we follow the logic of the gun nuts...it was the victims' fault for NOT having guns.
That country is seriously messed up.
I agree, and many still won't accept the truth illegal guns were once legal guns, hence feeding the vicious cycle.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 10:33:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2018, 10:33:53 PM
But America does not need gun control.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Or, if we follow the logic of the gun nuts...it was the victims' fault for NOT having guns.
That country is seriously messed up.
I agree, and many still won't accept the truth illegal guns were once legal guns, hence feeding the vicious cycle.
Illegal opioids were once legal too.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 27, 2018, 12:15:47 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 27, 2018, 12:15:47 AM
it was the victims' fault for NOT having gunsQuote
Wherever did you get that from?
Edit - Cancel that question - We know your position, it has no objectivity, you repeat it constantly and you never let a good tragedy go to waste
It is derived from the logic put forward by Freud, and other idiots who think guns are good.
I am also bemused by the gun nutters who cry "foul" when an observation is made as a result of yet ANOTHER pointless loss of innocent life. That is PRECISELY the point of the argument that guns have no place in modern society.
Its precisely the same logic and "opportunism" that YOU employ when a terrorist act is committed, so spare me the ludicrous hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 27, 2018, 01:06:20 AM
Post by: Zetsu on August 27, 2018, 01:06:20 AM
But America does not need gun control.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Or, if we follow the logic of the gun nuts...it was the victims' fault for NOT having guns.
That country is seriously messed up.
I agree, and many still won't accept the truth illegal guns were once legal guns, hence feeding the vicious cycle.
Illegal opioids were once legal too.
I never knew that too, I always thought people just grow their drugs at home, lol.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 01:54:20 AM
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 01:54:20 AM
it was the victims' fault for NOT having gunsQuote
Wherever did you get that from?
Edit - Cancel that question - We know your position, it has no objectivity, you repeat it constantly and you never let a good tragedy go to waste
Its precisely the same logic and "opportunism" that YOU employ when a terrorist act is committed, so spare me the ludicrous hypocrisy.
Fair comparison IF (and only if) islam was not intent on slowly taking over a sleeping Western society ... and we both know exactly its intentions.
I am also bemused by the gun nutters who cry "foul" when an observation is made as a result of yet ANOTHER pointless loss of innocent life. That is PRECISELY the point of the argument thatQuote from: "Bricktop"guns have no place in modern society.
Fair IF (and only if) there was a way to get rid of guns in the US or for that matter, here in Canada. There is not and never will be
I'm not talking "outlawing", I'm talking getting rid of
Apart from that and speaking for my own self, as to "guns have no place in modern society", I'll tell you that if I lived in a place that stopped me from having a gun in my home I would move to another place that does ... or if forced, disobey the law and have at least one at home.
You yourself know as a cop that a home invasion cannot be helped by police who cannot be there. I'm guessin you have gone to homes that had been invaded
Between family and friends I knew of 2 horrible home invasions when I was quite young and would not allow my kids to be so vulnerable when they were around, and myself and mate now they are not around.
Further as to "guns have no place in modern society", I'll say that a society that tries to prevent a person from protecting themselves in their own home ..
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 27, 2018, 02:49:17 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 27, 2018, 02:49:17 AM
Fair comparison IF (and only if) islam was not intent on slowly taking over a sleeping Western society ... and we both know exactly its intentions.
There is no distinction. Referencing an incident which underscores the basic thrust of a position in an argument is perfectly reasonable. It is NOT exploiting a tragedy to highlight the existence of a problem, despite the cries of "foul" from the opposition. It also seems to be a common position that gun nuts take..."Don't use that pointless loss of life to highlight the problem of guns in society...that's immoral". I presume you are smart enough to recognise the irony on that comment.
Apart from that and speaking for my own self, as to "guns have no place in modern society", I'll tell you that if I lived in a place that stopped me from having a gun in my home I would move to another place that does ... or if forced, disobey the law and have at least one at home.Quote
For what purpose? You're home, and suddenly the door is forced open and a male enters...unless you have the gun on your person, you are powerless.
Alternately, you manage to reach your firearm, and suddenly you're looking down the sights of a 16 year old kid who's taking your laptop. Will you shoot?
You yourself know as a cop that a home invasion cannot be helped by police who cannot be there.Quote from: "cc"
Then why do you not accept that, as a cop, I'm aware that the possession of a firearm in your home is no guarantee you will not be the victims of a crime. As a cop, I'm aware that the attempting to defending yourself with a gun against an armed offender will more likely result in your death than his or hers? Why do you not accept that as a cop, I'm aware that the more LEGAL guns in a community, the more ILLEGAL guns are available in a community? Why do you not accept that as a cop I am aware that many gun crimes are committed by people with LEGAL guns? And it doesn't take a cop to recognise that statistically you are 10 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US than in Australia.
Between family and friends I knew of 2 horrible invasions when I was quite young and would not allow my kids to be so vulnerable when they were around, and myself and mate now they are not around.
Yet they survived. As most victims of break-ins and home invasions do. If the offender is intent on killing the occupants, he or she will already be armed, and you will be unable to defend yourself with a gun stored in a dresser and the ammunition locked away in a secure cabinet.
If it ever happens on my property I choose to have the cops come and find perps bodies, not mine or my family's
You're talking crap. If your home is invaded, I guarantee that you will either not get to your firearm, or you will be unable to use it in any way other than to threaten the offender. If the offender is armed, he or she will shoot.
As to "guns have no place in modern society", I'll say that a society that tries to prevent a person from protecting themselves in their own home ..is NOT a society at allmuch less a society worth being in.
Really? Then you would not live in many countries that are considerably safer than yours because guns are forbidden. Silly argument.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 03:01:35 AM
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 03:01:35 AM
All did not survive
And yes, I absolutely would not live in a "non" society that does not allow one to defend one's home ... on principle alone apart from whether I personally chose to be armed or not ... I consider such to not be a genuine society at all
Here many have guns at home ... rifles and shotguns ... (unregistered which I STRONGLY do not agree with) .... very few "legal" short guns although very short shotguns can be legal .... and our country is quite low in criminal shootings
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 27, 2018, 03:28:43 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 27, 2018, 03:28:43 AM
Did I wake up one day and declare to myself "I hate guns"?
If you'd seen what I've seen, who knows, you too may be "biased".
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 09:57:17 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 09:57:17 AM
BTW after seeing what is going on in South Africa I'll definitely be keeping my gun. Outside of leaving, its the only recourse a citizen has against a tyrannical government and/or the chaos created by one.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 27, 2018, 11:59:04 AM
Post by: Zetsu on August 27, 2018, 11:59:04 AM
Still haven't seen a good explanation from the anti-gun nuts, LOL why it is places like Switzerland and Iceland have virtually the same gun availability as the US, but have some of the lowest murder rates in the world. Obviously there is more than gun availability going on.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
BTW after seeing what is going on in South Africa I'll definitely be keeping my gun. Outside of leaving, its the only recourse a citizen has against a tyrannical government and/or the chaos created by one.
Like mosts health illness, problems too aren't caused by only one factor alone, but 2, saying ppl killed in the US due to having a high number of civilian firearms is irrellivant isn't true, but also b/c of people living in social decay. Switzerland and Iceland both only have no more than 1/4 of the firearms in the US, but they don't suffer from social issues or severe proverty and have a generous welfare system. The fact remains registered guns make up a huge majority of the mass shooting, and illegal firearms were just once guns legally purchased firearms in the US.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2018, 12:01:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2018, 12:01:37 PM
Still haven't seen a good explanation from the anti-gun nuts, LOL why it is places like Switzerland and Iceland have virtually the same gun availability as the US, but have some of the lowest murder rates in the world. Obviously there is more than gun availability going on.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
BTW after seeing what is going on in South Africa I'll definitely be keepingit my gun. Outside of leaving, its the only recourse a citizen has against a tyrannical government and/or the chaos created by one.
The US cannot be compared to those countries.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 12:25:23 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 12:25:23 PM
Still haven't seen a good explanation from the anti-gun nuts, LOL why it is places like Switzerland and Iceland have virtually the same gun availability as the US, but have some of the lowest murder rates in the world. Obviously there is more than gun availability going on.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
BTW after seeing what is going on in South Africa I'll definitely be keeping my gun. Outside of leaving, its the only recourse a citizen has against a tyrannical government and/or the chaos created by one.
Like mosts health illness, problems too aren't caused by only one factor alone, but 2, saying the US having a high number of civilian firearms is irrellivant isn't true, but also due to people living in social decay. Switzerland and Iceland both only have no more than 1/4 of the firearms in the US, but they don't suffer from social issues or severe proverty and have a generous welfare system. The fact remains registered guns make up a huge majority of the mass shooting, and illegal firearms were just once guns legally purchased firearms in the US.
Most of the socalled poor in the US today have more than the middle class did in the 50s (cars TVS etc) and there was much less crime then. So i don't by the poverty thing
the US difference is mostly demographics. Go to chicago. Known for murders. Go to a white neighborhood in chicago, almost no murders for years. Go to a Hispanic neighborhood-- your chance of getting murdered just doubled or tripled go to a black neighborhood your chances of getting murdered are now about ten times higher than the white neighborhood
But its not just chicago, these massive demographic differences in criminal behavior occur all over the US in every city. the numbers are replicated over and over.
Also statistics show that black kids from well off families are MORE likely to commit crimes than children from poor white families.
I am not saying gun availability has nothing to do with it, it may or may not, but I am saying other factors are much more important,.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Zetsu on August 27, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
Post by: Zetsu on August 27, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
Still haven't seen a good explanation from the anti-gun nuts, LOL why it is places like Switzerland and Iceland have virtually the same gun availability as the US, but have some of the lowest murder rates in the world. Obviously there is more than gun availability going on.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
BTW after seeing what is going on in South Africa I'll definitely be keeping my gun. Outside of leaving, its the only recourse a citizen has against a tyrannical government and/or the chaos created by one.
Like mosts health illness, problems too aren't caused by only one factor alone, but 2, saying the US having a high number of civilian firearms is irrellivant isn't true, but also due to people living in social decay. Switzerland and Iceland both only have no more than 1/4 of the firearms in the US, but they don't suffer from social issues or severe proverty and have a generous welfare system. The fact remains registered guns make up a huge majority of the mass shooting, and illegal firearms were just once guns legally purchased firearms in the US.
Most of the socalled poor in the US today have more than the middle class did in the 50s (cars TVS etc) and there was much less crime then. So i don't by the poverty thing
the US difference is mostly demographics. Go to chicago. Known for murders. Go to a white neighborhood in chicago, almost no murders for years. Go to a Hispanic neighborhood-- your chance of getting murdered just doubled or tripled go to a black neighborhood your chances of getting murdered are now about ten times higher than the white neighborhood
But its not just chicago, these massive demographic differences in criminal behavior occur all over the US in every city. the numbers are replicated over and over.
Also statistics show that black kids from well off families are MORE likely to commit crimes than children from poor white families.
I am not saying gun availability has nothing to do with it, it may or may not, but I am saying other factors are much more important,.
I understand what you're trying to say, I always believe racial culture plays a major role in crime too, in fact my brother once told me each race commit different specific types of crime, while Blacks being the most involved in crimes related to violence. But the fact here is that Canada have many different ethnic groups but it's just not as severe as in the US when it comes to mass shootings, but then it could be b/c we have some what less Blacks and no illegal border crossing Mexicans, along with the factor of strict gun laws and 4x less guns, but it's been getting worst lately due to mass immigration.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
Ask yourself where that "bias", as you call it, comes from?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Did I wake up one day and declare to myself "I hate guns"?
If you'd seen what I've seen, who knows, you too may be "biased".
That's fair
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 01:09:59 PM
Post by: cc on August 27, 2018, 01:09:59 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 01:35:54 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 01:35:54 PM
Still haven't seen a good explanation from the anti-gun nuts, LOL why it is places like Switzerland and Iceland have virtually the same gun availability as the US, but have some of the lowest murder rates in the world. Obviously there is more than gun availability going on.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
BTW after seeing what is going on in South Africa I'll definitely be keeping my gun. Outside of leaving, its the only recourse a citizen has against a tyrannical government and/or the chaos created by one.
Like mosts health illness, problems too aren't caused by only one factor alone, but 2, saying the US having a high number of civilian firearms is irrellivant isn't true, but also due to people living in social decay. Switzerland and Iceland both only have no more than 1/4 of the firearms in the US, but they don't suffer from social issues or severe proverty and have a generous welfare system. The fact remains registered guns make up a huge majority of the mass shooting, and illegal firearms were just once guns legally purchased firearms in the US.
Most of the socalled poor in the US today have more than the middle class did in the 50s (cars TVS etc) and there was much less crime then. So i don't by the poverty thing
the US difference is mostly demographics. Go to chicago. Known for murders. Go to a white neighborhood in chicago, almost no murders for years. Go to a Hispanic neighborhood-- your chance of getting murdered just doubled or tripled go to a black neighborhood your chances of getting murdered are now about ten times higher than the white neighborhood
But its not just chicago, these massive demographic differences in criminal behavior occur all over the US in every city. the numbers are replicated over and over.
Also statistics show that black kids from well off families are MORE likely to commit crimes than children from poor white families.
I am not saying gun availability has nothing to do with it, it may or may not, but I am saying other factors are much more important,.
I understand what you're trying to say, I always believe racial culture plays a major role in crime too, in fact my brother once told me each race commit different specific types of crime, while Blacks being the most involved in crimes related to violence. But the fact here is that Canada have many different ethnic groups but it's just not as severe as in the US when it comes to mass shootings, but then it could be b/c we have some what less Blacks and no illegal border crossing Mexicans, along with the factor of strict gun laws and 4x less guns, but it's been getting worst lately due to mass immigration.ac_unsure
I think Canada's largest demographic besides white is asians, and they commit crimes probably less than whites. But you look at Aboriginal canadians and their murder rate is at least 6 times higher than non aboriginals.
As to mass shootings I think it has little to do with demographics (except when it comes to Islam as a motivator) and has more complicated forces. a monkey see, monkey do kind of thing where people imitate shooters, suicidal depression where the depressed person is not content with just killing themselves but wants revenge in humanity, a desire to be famous, availability of guns and probably a few other things as well. I think it takes a lot of factors put together.
BTW you and I may disagree a bit about guns, but we certainly are in agreement about the perils of mass immigration.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2018, 02:06:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2018, 02:06:26 PM
Culture plays a role in most everything, crime being a majorQuote from: "cc"
US gun violence is largely cultural.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 03:06:05 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on August 27, 2018, 03:06:05 PM
of course if he had been a trump fan, the UNbiased media would make sure the whole world knows it.
Do you think they will do the same now that he is shown to be a trump hater?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Chuck Bronson on August 27, 2018, 06:07:03 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on August 27, 2018, 06:07:03 PM
Meanwhile, in other threads, Mel and the whorepig coo and caress a device proudly made in the USA for the purpose of killing.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The blood of innocent people slaughtered by firearms is on the hands of ALL those who worship and revere devices that exist to kill, and support the industry of death by giving their money to the manufacturers of these machines.
Don't stay mad, bro.
I'll still get you that Red Ryder for Christmas if you try really hard to be a good boy.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 28, 2018, 09:47:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 28, 2018, 09:47:17 PM
Still haven't seen a good explanation from the anti-gun nuts.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
You mean the one that goes "fewer guns = fewer deaths by gunfire"?
Or the one that highlights that guns make killing people easier?
How about "There is NO socially acceptable or redeeming argument that says a functioning, law abiding society requires its members to possess firearms"?
Here's one; children are being gunned down in schools by lunatics that had easy access to military styled firearms. That seems to be a good argument.
Much like people who play video games don't deserve to be murdered by a whackjob wielding a gun he had no business possessing.
There is no use for a gun, other to harm and kill others. That's what they are made for. That's why the craftsmen of America pump these things out by the thousand, full in the knowledge that a significant proportion of their handywork will kill someone.
Its a sign of a sick and declining society.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2018, 07:00:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2018, 07:00:07 AM
Well here's an interesting twist--Quote from: "Wazzzup"
The media probably would have implied he was a racist if he was a Trump supporter.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Wazzzup on August 29, 2018, 11:45:55 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on August 29, 2018, 11:45:55 AM
yeah they love the race card, they twist just about everything into racism (yet of course hating whites, and depriving Asians of college spots they have earned is not racism) its their favorite weapon of all time nothing comes close.Well here's an interesting twist--Quote from: "Wazzzup"
The media probably would have implied he was a racist if he was a Trump supporter.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Aryan on August 29, 2018, 12:02:04 PM
Post by: Aryan on August 29, 2018, 12:02:04 PM
Also statistics show that black kids from well off families are MORE likely to commit crimes than children from poor white families.
That doesn't surprise me, it's almost as though committing crime is in black DNA.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Wazzzup on August 29, 2018, 12:04:37 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on August 29, 2018, 12:04:37 PM
Still haven't seen a good explanation from the---- anti-gun nuts.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
I only use that phrase to poke fun at your use of the "gun nuts" phrase which is leftard talk (shame on you Brick
You mean the one that goes "fewer guns = fewer deaths by gunfire"?Quote from: "Bricktop"
This argument doesn't work, as I have pointed out, Iceland's and Switzerland have roughly the same access to forearms yet their murder rate is lower than Australia's.
Or the one that highlights that guns make killing people easier?Quote from: "Bricktop"
true, but we have no evidence that people killed by guns would not be killed by other means. London is a prime example, guns are banned, but the murder rate is comparable to New York City where people are allowed to own guns. They kill people with knives instead. Dead is dead.
How about "There is NO socially acceptable or redeeming argument that says a functioning, law abiding society requires its members to possess firearms"?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Not true IMO. People use their weapons to kill intruders and protect their homes all the time. People protect their stores against robbers. Women who are threatened by stalking exes can carry and feel more secure. Anyone who works in dangerous places. it is also the only source of recourse should the government become tyrannical. And at times people really have stopped some mass shootings, or at least prevented the shooter form getting away by being armed. Question: what stops a bad guy with a gun? Answer: A good guy with a gun.
Here's one; children are being gunned down in schools by lunatics that had easy access to military styled firearms. That seems to be a good argument.Quote from: "Bricktop"
better argument. Install metal detectors and limit entrance and exits. This will prevent many more shootings than any ban would.
We are a declining society, because the left is destroying our freedoms, and flooding our country with 3rd worlders (they will probably destroy yours as well, it just may take longer). This has nothing to with guns which have been legal here for well over 200 years.Its a sign of a sick and declining society.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 29, 2018, 08:19:49 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 29, 2018, 08:19:49 PM
How about you offer
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2018, 08:47:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2018, 08:47:46 PM
true, but we have no evidence that people killed by guns would not be killed by other means. London is a prime example, guns are banned, but the murder rate is comparable to New York City where people are allowed to own guns. They kill people with knives instead. Dead is dead.
I can remember when the homicide rate in NYC was several times higher than London.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 29, 2018, 10:25:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 29, 2018, 10:25:13 PM
Yep. That will make things better.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Frood on August 30, 2018, 12:26:03 AM
Post by: Frood on August 30, 2018, 12:26:03 AM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 30, 2018, 12:39:18 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 30, 2018, 12:39:18 AM
Hardly a valid comparison, munchkin.
When was the last time the Government came to your house to evict you, dumbnuts?
And by the way...if you've got firearms in the event they do, what do you expect to happen? "Oh, shit. Freud's got a gun. Better leave him be."
It would take 5 minutes for a small squad of soldiers or police to take you down, whatever you have to shoot with.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
So, by Wazzzers logic, you may as well give the London thugs guns?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Yep. That will make things better.
I think Wazzzup's point is that restrictive gun ownership laws have not made London safer than a comparable sized city with access to firearms.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Wazzzup on August 30, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on August 30, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
thank you Fash.So, by Wazzzers logic, you may as well give the London thugs guns?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Yep. That will make things better.
I think Wazzzup's point is that restrictive gun ownership laws have not made London safer than a comparable sized city with access to firearms.
That was exactly my point. and I could not have stated it better myself.
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As to South Africa's government being different, it is. But a lot of people in the west believe because they have always lived in countries with stable democracies that they will always be that way. that is an illusion IMO. This is especially true as the left is taking over more and more institutions, politicizing everything, taking away free speech rights, playing favorites with race, and flooding countries with immigrants in order to get more power. These are serious warning signs that totalitarian tyranny is coming.
granted if a tank is coming to your house a gun won't do much. But an armed resistance network could be a very big headache for a tyrannical government.
Also as Blazor pointed out a while ago. if law and order breaks down because the government cannot, will not, or is unable to enforce the law you may well need a firearm to protect yourself your family and your property. This happened during the LA riots.
These are the two main reason why I will never give up my gun.
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As to solutions, one I already posed-- putting metal detectors and limiting entrances and exits to schools.
Another idea is put serious repeat offenders away for good. For example someone commits an armed robbery, gets out of jail and does it again. Lock them up for good.
I guarantee just doing those two things alone would work far better than a ban on guns, because most people will never give up the firearms they own, especially the criminals.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Blazor on August 30, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
Post by: Blazor on August 30, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
Also as Blazor pointed out a while ago. if law and order breaks down because the government cannot, will not, or is unable to enforce the law you may well need a firearm to protect yourself your family and your property. This happened during the LA riots.
These are the two main reason why I will never give up my gun.
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As to solutions, one I already posed-- putting metal detectors and limiting entrances and exits to schools.
Another idea is put serious repeat offenders away for good. For example someone commits an armed robbery, gets out of jail and does it again. Lock them up for good.
I guarantee just doing those two things alone would work far better than a ban on guns, because most people will never give up the firearms they own, especially the criminals.
Its gotten crazy. And you better believe that if Trump wins again, the Left will lose their fucking minds! I've never seen this level of cracking down on guns either. Obama thought he would limit our supply when he bought 1.5 BILLION rounds and shelves were empty, but now supply is coming back. No more high capacity clips, makes it easier for knuckleheads to count to 10 and charge in. Wish I would've bought the same rifle as my son and the clips too (25 round). Btw, that same rifle, is almost 2x the price as it was just 5 years ago. Cant tell if its gun prices going up, or the taxes on them. Then there is the restricting anyone under 21 to buy ammo, yet soldiers that are 18 will have them.
Another example you pointed out, police "standing by" or refusing to do what they are suppose to do. I seen the other day where a whole town's force up and quit, and that aint the first time I've heard about something like that.
When the shit hits the fan, we are on our own.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 30, 2018, 07:57:11 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 30, 2018, 07:57:11 PM
So, by Wazzzers logic, you may as well give the London thugs guns?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Yep. That will make things better.
I think Wazzzup's point is that restrictive gun ownership laws have not made London safer than a comparable sized city with access to firearms.
And you've just inadvertently exposed the flaw in the logic of gun nuts.
You are claiming as fact something that is mere hypothesis. You cannot predict situation A with an outcome in situation B without empirical evidence that establishes that IF London (the UK, in reality) did NOT have a predetermined variable, the outcome would be different.
That is like saying if the government did not charge so much for domestic gas, I'd be a better cook.
I would postulate that if the UK had less restrictions, more would be dead. In effect, it is safer due to the absence of firearms.
As always, gun nuts use homicide rates as a measure of firearm restriction efficacy. The two issues are NOT identical, and gun accessibility is only ONE variable in the rate of homicide. Wazzzers constant point that cultural issues are important in HOMICIDES is quite right. Where he veers from logic is by arguing that MORE guns available in a dangerous and violent culture will solve the problem. That is illogical.
Live long and prosper!!!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2018, 09:40:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2018, 09:40:37 PM
So, by Wazzzers logic, you may as well give the London thugs guns?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Yep. That will make things better.
I think Wazzzup's point is that restrictive gun ownership laws have not made London safer than a comparable sized city with access to firearms.
And you've just inadvertently exposed the flaw in the logic of gun nuts.You are claiming as factsomething that is mere hypothesis. You cannot predict situation A with an outcome in situation B without empirical evidence that establishes that IF London (the UK, in reality) did NOT have a predetermined variable, the outcome would be different.
That is like saying if the government did not charge so much for domestic gas, I'd be a better cook.
I would postulate that if the UK had less restrictions, more would be dead. In effect, it is safer due to the absence of firearms.
As always, gun nuts use homicide rates as a measure of firearm restriction efficacy. The two issues are NOT identical, and gun accessibility is only ONE variable in the rate of homicide. Wazzzers constant point that cultural issues are important in HOMICIDES is quite right. Where he veers from logic is by arguing that MORE guns available in a dangerous and violent culture will solve the problem. That is illogical.
Live long and prosper!!!
I'm not claiming anything as a fact.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 30, 2018, 09:42:45 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 30, 2018, 09:42:45 PM
Give me a break. I'm on my own here!!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Others are...Quote from: "Bricktop"
Give me a break. I'm on my own here!!
I can appreciate that.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Frood on August 30, 2018, 10:22:04 PM
Post by: Frood on August 30, 2018, 10:22:04 PM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Bricktop on August 31, 2018, 12:17:48 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 31, 2018, 12:17:48 AM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting Jacksonville Fl - Early reports 4 Dead, 11 Wounded - SWAT on scene
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2018, 07:18:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2018, 07:18:50 AM
Meanwhile, Freud is American who's daddy pumped his head full of pro-gun bullshit.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Neither of you are above hyperbole.